Re: z/VSE general installation question.

2016-10-05 Thread Ed Jaffe 

On 10/5/2016 9:58 AM, Steve wrote:

HLASM is not there but BAL is


We license HLASM for z/VSE. It works great.

In fact, my FLOWASM SPM exit has conditional assembly so it assembles 
and works under z/VSE as well as z/OS and z/VM. Haven't gotten around to 
Linux for z yet, but HLASM runs there as well...


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Re: z/VSE general installation question.

2016-10-05 Thread Duffy Nightingale, SS 
John,  As bright as you are, you will learn the VSE rapidly and I suspect not 
have hardly any problems.  The names are different but many of the concepts are 
the same.  I have developed in both environs for years easily and you are a lot 
smarter than me so take it from there.:)

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> I'm looking at a new job. I just had a phone interview with the main z/OS
> development manager. This is a OEM development system, not a "commercial"
> system. In the interview he mentioned z/VSE. This was not in the original
> on-line specs for the job. Possibly because this person is from a newly
> acquired company who does some z/VSE development. In any case, I know
> _nada_ about z/VSE. The plan is for a single systems programmer, so they
> will not be looking for a z/VSE person. I am wondering if anyone here
> knows how difficult it would be for a z/OS person to learn how to install &
> maintain z/VSE. The job does not including any kind of programming, per se.
> And I am guessing that I could pick up z/VSE JCL rather quickly. Of course,
> given what I've done in the past, I'll occasionally try to put so z/OS JCL
> in a z/VSE job and vice versa because the two are similar.
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Re: z/VSE general installation question.

2016-10-05 Thread Frank Swarbrick 
Oops...

And HLASM is HLASM across both MVS and VSE (and, I believe VM as well).


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Frank Swarbrick 
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 12:08 PM
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Subject: Re: z/VSE general installation question.

Hmm, in some ways VSE JCL is superior to MVS, in my opinion.  Particularly 
conditional statement processing.


And HLASM is HLASM across both MVS and MVS (and, I believe VM as well).


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z/VSE has no catalogues as you know them, the JCL is not  near as complex or 
flexible, cobol is cobol HLASM is not there but BAL is.  There are not a great 
number f program products for z/VSE


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On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Steve  wrote:

>
> [ http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf ](
Introduction to the New Mainframe - IBM 
Redbooks<http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf>
www.redbooks.ibm.com
Redbooks Front cover Introduction to the New Mainframe: IBM z/VSE Basics Mike 
Ebbers Wolfgang Bosch Hans Joachim Ebert Helmut Hellner Jerry Johnston Marco 
Kroll


Introduction to the New Mainframe - IBM 
Redbooks<http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf>
Introduction to the New Mainframe - IBM 
Redbooks<http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf>
www.redbooks.ibm.com
Redbooks Front cover Introduction to the New Mainframe: IBM z/VSE Basics Mike 
Ebbers Wolfgang Bosch Hans Joachim Ebert Helmut Hellner Jerry Johnston Marco 
Kroll


www.redbooks.ibm.com<http://www.redbooks.ibm.com>
Redbooks Front cover Introduction to the New Mainframe: IBM z/VSE Basics Mike 
Ebbers Wolfgang Bosch Hans Joachim Ebert Helmut Hellner Jerry Johnston Marco 
Kroll


> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf )
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Redbooks Front cover Introduction to the New Mainframe: IBM z/VSE Basics Mike 
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Kroll


>

Looks interesting. Thanks.



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Re: z/VSE general installation question.

2016-10-05 Thread Frank Swarbrick 
Hmm, in some ways VSE JCL is superior to MVS, in my opinion.  Particularly 
conditional statement processing.


And HLASM is HLASM across both MVS and MVS (and, I believe VM as well).


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Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 10:58 AM
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Subject: Re: z/VSE general installation question.


z/VSE has no catalogues as you know them, the JCL is not  near as complex or 
flexible, cobol is cobol HLASM is not there but BAL is.  There are not a great 
number f program products for z/VSE


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From: "John McKown" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 12:56pm
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z/VSE general installation question.



On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Steve  wrote:

>
> [ http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf ](
Introduction to the New Mainframe - IBM 
Redbooks<http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf>
www.redbooks.ibm.com
Redbooks Front cover Introduction to the New Mainframe: IBM z/VSE Basics Mike 
Ebbers Wolfgang Bosch Hans Joachim Ebert Helmut Hellner Jerry Johnston Marco 
Kroll


> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf )
Introduction to the New Mainframe - IBM 
Redbooks<http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf>
www.redbooks.ibm.com
Redbooks Front cover Introduction to the New Mainframe: IBM z/VSE Basics Mike 
Ebbers Wolfgang Bosch Hans Joachim Ebert Helmut Hellner Jerry Johnston Marco 
Kroll


>

Looks interesting. Thanks.



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Re: z/VSE general installation question.

2016-10-05 Thread Frank Swarbrick 
We migrated from z/VSE to z/OS in 2010, and while to this day I still try to 
enter CA-VOLLIE (our VSE editor product) commands in ISPF I don't recall ever 
trying to enter VSE JCL statements in to MVS JCL.  :-)



From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
John McKown 
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 10:13 AM
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Subject: z/VSE general installation question.

I'm looking at a new job. I just had a phone interview with the main z/OS
development manager. This is a OEM development system, not a "commercial"
system. In the interview he mentioned z/VSE. This was not in the original
on-line specs for the job. Possibly because this person is from a newly
acquired company who does some z/VSE development. In any case, I know
_nada_ about z/VSE. The plan is for a single systems programmer, so they
will not be looking for a z/VSE person.  I am wondering if anyone here
knows how difficult it would be for a z/OS person to learn how to install &
maintain z/VSE. The job does not including any kind of programming, per se.
And I am guessing that I could pick up z/VSE JCL rather quickly. Of course,
given what I've done in the past, I'll occasionally try to put so z/OS JCL
in a z/VSE job and vice versa because the two are similar.

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Re: z/VSE general installation question.

2016-10-05 Thread Chuck Arney 
John, you are good at reading technical documentation and z/VSE is just a 
little different way of doing (some of) what z/OS does.  I doubt you will have 
any long lasting difficulties with installing and maintaining it.  There will 
be a learning curve to start with but nothing you can't handle.  There are 
plenty of people around that will be glad to help when you need it.  The VSE-L 
list is an excellent place to get help.

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I'm looking at a new job. I just had a phone interview with the main z/OS 
development manager. This is a OEM development system, not a "commercial"
system. In the interview he mentioned z/VSE. This was not in the original 
on-line specs for the job. Possibly because this person is from a newly 
acquired company who does some z/VSE development. In any case, I know _nada_ 
about z/VSE. The plan is for a single systems programmer, so they will not be 
looking for a z/VSE person.  I am wondering if anyone here knows how difficult 
it would be for a z/OS person to learn how to install & maintain z/VSE. The job 
does not including any kind of programming, per se.
And I am guessing that I could pick up z/VSE JCL rather quickly. Of course, 
given what I've done in the past, I'll occasionally try to put so z/OS JCL in a 
z/VSE job and vice versa because the two are similar.

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Re: z/VSE general installation question.

2016-10-05 Thread Steve 

z/VSE has no catalogues as you know them, the JCL is not  near as complex or 
flexible, cobol is cobol HLASM is not there but BAL is.  There are not a great 
number f program products for z/VSE 
 
 
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On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Steve  wrote:

>
> [ http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf ](
> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf )
>

​Looks interesting. Thanks.​



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Re: z/VSE general installation question.

2016-10-05 Thread John McKown 
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Steve  wrote:

>
> [ http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf ](
> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf )
>

​Looks interesting. Thanks.​



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Re: z/VSE general installation question.

2016-10-05 Thread Steve 

[ http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247436.pdf ]( 
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I'm looking at a new job. I just had a phone interview with the main z/OS
development manager. This is a OEM development system, not a "commercial"
system. In the interview he mentioned z/VSE. This was not in the original
on-line specs for the job. Possibly because this person is from a newly
acquired company who does some z/VSE development. In any case, I know
_nada_ about z/VSE. The plan is for a single systems programmer, so they
will not be looking for a z/VSE person. I am wondering if anyone here
knows how difficult it would be for a z/OS person to learn how to install &
maintain z/VSE. The job does not including any kind of programming, per se.
And I am guessing that I could pick up z/VSE JCL rather quickly. Of course,
given what I've done in the past, I'll occasionally try to put so z/OS JCL
in a z/VSE job and vice versa because the two are similar.

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