Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-10 Thread Rob Schramm
Seems like it is time for IBM to step up again.

Rob Schramm
Senior Systems Consultant
Imperium Group

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Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-09 Thread Mehrshad Manshadi
Hi David,

Thanks for your useful information.

So The APAR PM43006 will solve our problem? Am I right? 

Best regards
Manshadi





 From: David Betten bet...@us.ibm.com
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.
 
Unfortunately, you are exceeding a DFSORT limitation on the number of
records that can be sorted.  DFSORT has the following limitations

1. Variable-length records - 4294967295 records
2. EQUALS in effect - 4294967295 records
3. VLSHRT in effect - 2147483647 records
4. Blockset technique not selected - 2147483647 records


Number 4 will not be a problem since Blockset is always used for sorts
invoked by DB2 Utilities.  DB2 APAR PM43006 causes the utilities to pass
NOVLSHRT and NOEQUALS which would resolve numbers 2 and 3 but since this is
a vaiable length sort, you're still going to have that first limitation of
4,294,967,295 records.  Normally you'd want to break up the reorg by
partitions but since you're doing a rebalance, I guess that's why it's
trying to sort the entire file at once.  I suggest you open  PMR and see if
DB2 Utilities support can provide a solution.

Also two additional notes about this.

1. It looks like your DFSORTinstallation default for DSA is 64 and that's
causing the utility to limit the mainsize it passes.  You probably want
something much larger for a sort this size.  I'd suggest changing your
installation default to something much larger like DSA=256.
2. It appears you are running DFSORT V1R5.  That has been out of service
for quite some time.



Have a nice day,
Dave Betten
DFSMS Performance Engineer
IBM Corporation
email:  bet...@us.ibm.com
1-301-240-3809
DFSORT/MVSontheweb at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on
10/08/2012 10:10:10 AM:

 From: Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
 Date: 10/08/2012 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
Problem.
 Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu

 Hi Dave,



 The attached is sort message of the output job.


 1ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET     SORT  TECHNIQUE SELECTED

  ICE250I 0 VISIT http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort FOR DFSORT
 PAPERS, EXAMPLES A
  ICE000I 0 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5694-A01, Z/OS DFSORT V1R5 - 11:
 18 ON MON OC
 0              OPTION MOSIZE=0
  ICE140I 0 END OF PARAMETERS FROM DFSPARM  - SYSIN OR SORTCNTL/
 PARAMETER LIST CO
            SORT FIELDS=(5.0,00028.
 0,A),FORMAT=BI,FILSZ=E04979426640,DYNA
                           OC=(SYSDA,04)
            RECORD TYPE=V,LENGTH=(00070,00070,00070)
            OPTION
MSGPRT=ALL,MSGDDN=UTPRINT,AVGRLEN=00070,MAINSIZE=065536K
  ICE201I 0 RECORD TYPE IS V - DATA STARTS IN POSITION 5
  ICE751I 0 C5-BASE   C6-BASE   C7-BASE   C8-Q83041 E4-BASE   C9-BASE
   E5-Q90312
  ICE193I 0 ICEAM2 ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM2 INSTALLATION MODULE
SELECTED
  ICE089I 0 ROINHORB.REORG   .DSNUPROC, INPUT LRECL = 70, TYPE = V
  ICE092I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (67108864,67108864,67108864)
  ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (66060288,66060288)
  ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0
 ,SPANINC=RC16,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y
  ICE128I 0 OPTIONS:
 SIZE=67108864,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=Y,LIST=Y,E
  ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=NO
,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHA
  ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=0,RESINV=0,SVC=109
 ,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,CKPT=N,
  ICE131I 0 OPTIONS:
 TMAXLIM=6291456,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=16384,CINV=Y,CFW
  ICE132I 0 OPTIONS:
 VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=Y,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE    ,EXIT
  ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=OPTIMAL,DSPSIZE=MAX
 ,ODMAXBF=0,SOLRF=Y,VLLONG=N,VSAM
  ICE235I 0 OPTIONS: NULLOUT=RC0
  ICE750I 0 DC 0 TC 0 CS DSVXX KSZ 32 VSZ 32
  ICE752I 0 FSZ=4979426640 RE  IGN=0 C  AVG=70 70  WSP=452719355 E  DYN=0
0
  ICE121A 7 FILE SIZE IS TOO LARGE
  ICE751I 1 D8-Q83041 D4-Q84357 E8-BASE
  ICE052I 0 END OF DFSORT


 Best regards
 Manshadi



 
  From: David Betten bet...@us.ibm.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:05 PM
 Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
Problem.

 You need to look at the sort messages to determine why the sort failed.
If
 you want, send the entire joblog to the DFSORT hot line
(dfs...@us.ibm.com)
 and we can look it over for you.


 Have a nice day,
 Dave Betten
 DFSMS Performance Engineer
 IBM Corporation
 email:  bet...@us.ibm.com
 1-301-240-3809
 DFSORT/MVSontheweb at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/

 IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on
 10/08/2012 08:03:35 AM:

  From: Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com
  To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
  Date: 10/08/2012 08:06 AM
  Subject: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
 Problem.
  Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN

Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-09 Thread David Betten
No it will not.  You need to find a way to break this up so the utility is
not sorting over 4294967295 variable length records.


Have a nice day,
Dave Betten
DFSMS Performance Engineer
IBM Corporation
email:  bet...@us.ibm.com
1-301-240-3809
DFSORT/MVSontheweb at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on
10/09/2012 02:39:06 AM:

 From: Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
 Date: 10/09/2012 02:41 AM
 Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
Problem.
 Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu

 Hi David,

 Thanks for your useful information.

 So The APAR PM43006 will solve our problem? Am I right?

 Best regards
 Manshadi




 
  From: David Betten bet...@us.ibm.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 6:01 PM
 Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
Problem.

 Unfortunately, you are exceeding a DFSORT limitation on the number of
 records that can be sorted.  DFSORT has the following limitations

 1. Variable-length records - 4294967295 records
 2. EQUALS in effect - 4294967295 records
 3. VLSHRT in effect - 2147483647 records
 4. Blockset technique not selected - 2147483647 records


 Number 4 will not be a problem since Blockset is always used for sorts
 invoked by DB2 Utilities.  DB2 APAR PM43006 causes the utilities to pass
 NOVLSHRT and NOEQUALS which would resolve numbers 2 and 3 but since this
is
 a vaiable length sort, you're still going to have that first limitation
of
 4,294,967,295 records.  Normally you'd want to break up the reorg by
 partitions but since you're doing a rebalance, I guess that's why it's
 trying to sort the entire file at once.  I suggest you open  PMR and see
if
 DB2 Utilities support can provide a solution.

 Also two additional notes about this.

 1. It looks like your DFSORTinstallation default for DSA is 64 and that's
 causing the utility to limit the mainsize it passes.  You probably want
 something much larger for a sort this size.  I'd suggest changing your
 installation default to something much larger like DSA=256.
 2. It appears you are running DFSORT V1R5.  That has been out of service
 for quite some time.



 Have a nice day,
 Dave Betten
 DFSMS Performance Engineer
 IBM Corporation
 email:  bet...@us.ibm.com
 1-301-240-3809
 DFSORT/MVSontheweb at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/

 IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on
 10/08/2012 10:10:10 AM:

  From: Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com
  To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
  Date: 10/08/2012 10:11 AM
  Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
 Problem.
  Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
 
  Hi Dave,
 
 
 
  The attached is sort message of the output job.
 
 
  1ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET     SORT  TECHNIQUE SELECTED
 
   ICE250I 0 VISIT http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort FOR DFSORT
  PAPERS, EXAMPLES A
   ICE000I 0 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5694-A01, Z/OS DFSORT V1R5 - 11:
  18 ON MON OC
  0              OPTION MOSIZE=0
   ICE140I 0 END OF PARAMETERS FROM DFSPARM  - SYSIN OR SORTCNTL/
  PARAMETER LIST CO
             SORT FIELDS=(5.0,00028.
  0,A),FORMAT=BI,FILSZ=E04979426640,DYNA
                            OC=(SYSDA,04)
             RECORD TYPE=V,LENGTH=(00070,00070,00070)
             OPTION
 MSGPRT=ALL,MSGDDN=UTPRINT,AVGRLEN=00070,MAINSIZE=065536K
   ICE201I 0 RECORD TYPE IS V - DATA STARTS IN POSITION 5
   ICE751I 0 C5-BASE   C6-BASE   C7-BASE   C8-Q83041 E4-BASE   C9-BASE
    E5-Q90312
   ICE193I 0 ICEAM2 ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM2 INSTALLATION MODULE
 SELECTED
   ICE089I 0 ROINHORB.REORG   .DSNUPROC, INPUT LRECL = 70, TYPE = V
   ICE092I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (67108864,67108864,67108864)
   ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (66060288,66060288)
   ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0
  ,SPANINC=RC16,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y
   ICE128I 0 OPTIONS:
  SIZE=67108864,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=Y,LIST=Y,E
   ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=NO
 ,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHA
   ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=0,RESINV=0,SVC=109
  ,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,CKPT=N,
   ICE131I 0 OPTIONS:
  TMAXLIM=6291456,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=16384,CINV=Y,CFW
   ICE132I 0 OPTIONS:
  VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=Y,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE    ,EXIT
   ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=OPTIMAL,DSPSIZE=MAX
  ,ODMAXBF=0,SOLRF=Y,VLLONG=N,VSAM
   ICE235I 0 OPTIONS: NULLOUT=RC0
   ICE750I 0 DC 0 TC 0 CS DSVXX KSZ 32 VSZ 32
   ICE752I 0 FSZ=4979426640 RE  IGN=0 C  AVG=70 70  WSP=452719355 E
DYN=0
 0
   ICE121A 7 FILE SIZE IS TOO LARGE
   ICE751I 1 D8-Q83041 D4-Q84357 E8-BASE
   ICE052I 0 END OF DFSORT
 
 
  Best regards
  Manshadi
 
 
 
  
   From: David Betten bet...@us.ibm.com
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition

Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-09 Thread Blaicher, Christopher Y.
DB2 Sort and SyncSort do not have that limitation.  Their limitation is 2**40 
rather than 2**32.

Chris Blaicher
Senior Software Engineer, Software Services
Syncsort Incorporated
50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
P: 201-930-8260  |  M: 512-627-3803
E: cblaic...@syncsort.com


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Mehrshad Manshadi
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

Hi David,

Thanks for your useful information.

So The APAR PM43006 will solve our problem? Am I right?

Best regards
Manshadi





 From: David Betten bet...@us.ibm.com
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

Unfortunately, you are exceeding a DFSORT limitation on the number of records 
that can be sorted.  DFSORT has the following limitations

1. Variable-length records - 4294967295 records 2. EQUALS in effect - 
4294967295 records 3. VLSHRT in effect - 2147483647 records 4. Blockset 
technique not selected - 2147483647 records


Number 4 will not be a problem since Blockset is always used for sorts invoked 
by DB2 Utilities.  DB2 APAR PM43006 causes the utilities to pass NOVLSHRT and 
NOEQUALS which would resolve numbers 2 and 3 but since this is a vaiable length 
sort, you're still going to have that first limitation of
4,294,967,295 records.  Normally you'd want to break up the reorg by partitions 
but since you're doing a rebalance, I guess that's why it's trying to sort the 
entire file at once.  I suggest you open  PMR and see if
DB2 Utilities support can provide a solution.

Also two additional notes about this.

1. It looks like your DFSORTinstallation default for DSA is 64 and that's 
causing the utility to limit the mainsize it passes.  You probably want 
something much larger for a sort this size.  I'd suggest changing your 
installation default to something much larger like DSA=256.
2. It appears you are running DFSORT V1R5.  That has been out of service for 
quite some time.



Have a nice day,
Dave Betten
DFSMS Performance Engineer
IBM Corporation
email:  bet...@us.ibm.com
1-301-240-3809
DFSORT/MVSontheweb at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on
10/08/2012 10:10:10 AM:

 From: Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
 Date: 10/08/2012 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
Problem.
 Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu

 Hi Dave,



 The attached is sort message of the output job.


 1ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET SORT  TECHNIQUE SELECTED

  ICE250I 0 VISIT http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort FOR DFSORT PAPERS,
 EXAMPLES A
  ICE000I 0 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5694-A01, Z/OS DFSORT V1R5 - 11:
 18 ON MON OC
 0  OPTION MOSIZE=0
  ICE140I 0 END OF PARAMETERS FROM DFSPARM  - SYSIN OR SORTCNTL/
 PARAMETER LIST CO
SORT FIELDS=(5.0,00028.
 0,A),FORMAT=BI,FILSZ=E04979426640,DYNA
   OC=(SYSDA,04)
RECORD TYPE=V,LENGTH=(00070,00070,00070)
OPTION
MSGPRT=ALL,MSGDDN=UTPRINT,AVGRLEN=00070,MAINSIZE=065536K
  ICE201I 0 RECORD TYPE IS V - DATA STARTS IN POSITION 5
  ICE751I 0 C5-BASE   C6-BASE   C7-BASE   C8-Q83041 E4-BASE   C9-BASE
   E5-Q90312
  ICE193I 0 ICEAM2 ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM2 INSTALLATION MODULE
SELECTED
  ICE089I 0 ROINHORB.REORG   .DSNUPROC, INPUT LRECL = 70, TYPE = V
  ICE092I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (67108864,67108864,67108864)
  ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (66060288,66060288)
  ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0
 ,SPANINC=RC16,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y
  ICE128I 0 OPTIONS:
 SIZE=67108864,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=Y,LIST=Y,E
  ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=NO
,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHA
  ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=0,RESINV=0,SVC=109
 ,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,CKPT=N,
  ICE131I 0 OPTIONS:
 TMAXLIM=6291456,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=16384,CINV=Y,CFW
  ICE132I 0 OPTIONS:
 VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=Y,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE,EXIT
  ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=OPTIMAL,DSPSIZE=MAX
 ,ODMAXBF=0,SOLRF=Y,VLLONG=N,VSAM
  ICE235I 0 OPTIONS: NULLOUT=RC0
  ICE750I 0 DC 0 TC 0 CS DSVXX KSZ 32 VSZ 32
  ICE752I 0 FSZ=4979426640 RE  IGN=0 C  AVG=70 70  WSP=452719355 E
 DYN=0
0
  ICE121A 7 FILE SIZE IS TOO LARGE
  ICE751I 1 D8-Q83041 D4-Q84357 E8-BASE
  ICE052I 0 END OF DFSORT


 Best regards
 Manshadi



 
  From: David Betten bet...@us.ibm.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:05 PM
 Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
Problem.

 You need to look at the sort messages to determine why the sort failed.
If
 you want, send the entire joblog to the DFSORT hot

Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-09 Thread Rob Schramm
Considering how data is growing, don't these limitations seem a bit
arbitrary?  2**32 or 2**40?

Rob Schramm
On Oct 9, 2012 10:01 AM, Blaicher, Christopher Y. cblaic...@syncsort.com
wrote:

 DB2 Sort and SyncSort do not have that limitation.  Their limitation is
 2**40 rather than 2**32.

 Chris Blaicher
 Senior Software Engineer, Software Services
 Syncsort Incorporated
 50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
 P: 201-930-8260  |  M: 512-627-3803
 E: cblaic...@syncsort.com


 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
 Behalf Of Mehrshad Manshadi
 Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:39 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
 Problem.

 Hi David,

 Thanks for your useful information.

 So The APAR PM43006 will solve our problem? Am I right?

 Best regards
 Manshadi




 
  From: David Betten bet...@us.ibm.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 6:01 PM
 Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
 Problem.

 Unfortunately, you are exceeding a DFSORT limitation on the number of
 records that can be sorted.  DFSORT has the following limitations

 1. Variable-length records - 4294967295 records 2. EQUALS in effect -
 4294967295 records 3. VLSHRT in effect - 2147483647 records 4. Blockset
 technique not selected - 2147483647 records


 Number 4 will not be a problem since Blockset is always used for sorts
 invoked by DB2 Utilities.  DB2 APAR PM43006 causes the utilities to pass
 NOVLSHRT and NOEQUALS which would resolve numbers 2 and 3 but since this is
 a vaiable length sort, you're still going to have that first limitation of
 4,294,967,295 records.  Normally you'd want to break up the reorg by
 partitions but since you're doing a rebalance, I guess that's why it's
 trying to sort the entire file at once.  I suggest you open  PMR and see if
 DB2 Utilities support can provide a solution.

 Also two additional notes about this.

 1. It looks like your DFSORTinstallation default for DSA is 64 and that's
 causing the utility to limit the mainsize it passes.  You probably want
 something much larger for a sort this size.  I'd suggest changing your
 installation default to something much larger like DSA=256.
 2. It appears you are running DFSORT V1R5.  That has been out of service
 for quite some time.



 Have a nice day,
 Dave Betten
 DFSMS Performance Engineer
 IBM Corporation
 email:  bet...@us.ibm.com
 1-301-240-3809
 DFSORT/MVSontheweb at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/

 IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on
 10/08/2012 10:10:10 AM:

  From: Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com
  To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
  Date: 10/08/2012 10:11 AM
  Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
 Problem.
  Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
 
  Hi Dave,
 
 
 
  The attached is sort message of the output job.
 
 
  1ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET SORT  TECHNIQUE SELECTED
 
   ICE250I 0 VISIT http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort FOR DFSORT PAPERS,
  EXAMPLES A
   ICE000I 0 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5694-A01, Z/OS DFSORT V1R5 - 11:
  18 ON MON OC
  0  OPTION MOSIZE=0
   ICE140I 0 END OF PARAMETERS FROM DFSPARM  - SYSIN OR SORTCNTL/
  PARAMETER LIST CO
 SORT FIELDS=(5.0,00028.
  0,A),FORMAT=BI,FILSZ=E04979426640,DYNA
OC=(SYSDA,04)
 RECORD TYPE=V,LENGTH=(00070,00070,00070)
 OPTION
 MSGPRT=ALL,MSGDDN=UTPRINT,AVGRLEN=00070,MAINSIZE=065536K
   ICE201I 0 RECORD TYPE IS V - DATA STARTS IN POSITION 5
   ICE751I 0 C5-BASE   C6-BASE   C7-BASE   C8-Q83041 E4-BASE   C9-BASE
E5-Q90312
   ICE193I 0 ICEAM2 ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM2 INSTALLATION MODULE
 SELECTED
   ICE089I 0 ROINHORB.REORG   .DSNUPROC, INPUT LRECL = 70, TYPE = V
   ICE092I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (67108864,67108864,67108864)
   ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (66060288,66060288)
   ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0
  ,SPANINC=RC16,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y
   ICE128I 0 OPTIONS:
  SIZE=67108864,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=Y,LIST=Y,E
   ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=NO
 ,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHA
   ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=0,RESINV=0,SVC=109
  ,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,CKPT=N,
   ICE131I 0 OPTIONS:
  TMAXLIM=6291456,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=16384,CINV=Y,CFW
   ICE132I 0 OPTIONS:
  VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=Y,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE,EXIT
   ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=OPTIMAL,DSPSIZE=MAX
  ,ODMAXBF=0,SOLRF=Y,VLLONG=N,VSAM
   ICE235I 0 OPTIONS: NULLOUT=RC0
   ICE750I 0 DC 0 TC 0 CS DSVXX KSZ 32 VSZ 32
   ICE752I 0 FSZ=4979426640 RE  IGN=0 C  AVG=70 70  WSP=452719355 E
  DYN=0
 0
   ICE121A 7 FILE SIZE IS TOO LARGE
   ICE751I 1 D8-Q83041 D4-Q84357 E8-BASE
   ICE052I 0 END OF DFSORT
 
 
  Best regards
  Manshadi
 
 
 
  
   From: David Betten

Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-09 Thread Blaicher, Christopher Y.
Yes, you could say that, but there are trade-offs.

When dealing with the EQUALS option, a field is internally added to each record 
by the sort.  That is more data that has to be carried around internally and on 
the SORTWK files.

Consider that to accommodate over 4 billion rows, that increased the DASD 
requirements by at least 8G.  Please note - I made an error in my previous 
post.  DB2 Sort and SyncSort can accommodate 2**48 records, not 2**40 records.

When the amount of data approaches 256 trillion records, I am sure we will 
accommodate it.  Will we jump to a full 2**64?  Probably, but that remains to 
be seen.

When I started with Syncsort, a 100 MegaByte sort was BIG and a 4 billion 
record sort was unthinkable.  Now a 100M sort can be an in-core sort.  What 
will the future bring?  I certainly don't know, but at the rate data is 
growing, in the not too distant future we will look at a 4 billion record sort 
and consider it normal.

Chris Blaicher
Senior Software Engineer, Software Services
Syncsort Incorporated
50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
P: 201-930-8260  |  M: 512-627-3803    
E: cblaic...@syncsort.com


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Rob Schramm
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

Considering how data is growing, don't these limitations seem a bit arbitrary?  
2**32 or 2**40?

Rob Schramm
On Oct 9, 2012 10:01 AM, Blaicher, Christopher Y. cblaic...@syncsort.com
wrote:

 DB2 Sort and SyncSort do not have that limitation.  Their limitation 
 is
 2**40 rather than 2**32.

 Chris Blaicher
 Senior Software Engineer, Software Services Syncsort Incorporated
 50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
 P: 201-930-8260  |  M: 512-627-3803
 E: cblaic...@syncsort.com


 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
 Behalf Of Mehrshad Manshadi
 Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:39 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
 Problem.

 Hi David,

 Thanks for your useful information.

 So The APAR PM43006 will solve our problem? Am I right?

 Best regards
 Manshadi




 
  From: David Betten bet...@us.ibm.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 6:01 PM
 Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
 Problem.

 Unfortunately, you are exceeding a DFSORT limitation on the number of
 records that can be sorted.  DFSORT has the following limitations

 1. Variable-length records - 4294967295 records 2. EQUALS in effect -
 4294967295 records 3. VLSHRT in effect - 2147483647 records 4. Blockset
 technique not selected - 2147483647 records


 Number 4 will not be a problem since Blockset is always used for sorts
 invoked by DB2 Utilities.  DB2 APAR PM43006 causes the utilities to pass
 NOVLSHRT and NOEQUALS which would resolve numbers 2 and 3 but since this is
 a vaiable length sort, you're still going to have that first limitation of
 4,294,967,295 records.  Normally you'd want to break up the reorg by
 partitions but since you're doing a rebalance, I guess that's why it's
 trying to sort the entire file at once.  I suggest you open  PMR and see if
 DB2 Utilities support can provide a solution.

 Also two additional notes about this.

 1. It looks like your DFSORTinstallation default for DSA is 64 and that's
 causing the utility to limit the mainsize it passes.  You probably want
 something much larger for a sort this size.  I'd suggest changing your
 installation default to something much larger like DSA=256.
 2. It appears you are running DFSORT V1R5.  That has been out of service
 for quite some time.



 Have a nice day,
 Dave Betten
 DFSMS Performance Engineer
 IBM Corporation
 email:  bet...@us.ibm.com
 1-301-240-3809
 DFSORT/MVSontheweb at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/

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 10/08/2012 10:10:10 AM:

  From: Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com
  To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
  Date: 10/08/2012 10:11 AM
  Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
 Problem.
  Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
 
  Hi Dave,
 
 
 
  The attached is sort message of the output job.
 
 
  1ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET SORT  TECHNIQUE SELECTED
 
   ICE250I 0 VISIT http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort FOR DFSORT PAPERS,
  EXAMPLES A
   ICE000I 0 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5694-A01, Z/OS DFSORT V1R5 - 11:
  18 ON MON OC
  0  OPTION MOSIZE=0
   ICE140I 0 END OF PARAMETERS FROM DFSPARM  - SYSIN OR SORTCNTL/
  PARAMETER LIST CO
 SORT FIELDS=(5.0,00028.
  0,A),FORMAT=BI,FILSZ=E04979426640,DYNA
OC=(SYSDA,04)
 RECORD TYPE=V,LENGTH=(00070,00070,00070

Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-09 Thread John Gilmore
Rob Schramm wrote:

begin extract
Considering how data is growing, don't these limitations seem a bit
arbitrary?  2**32 or 2**40?
end extract

I suspect that the OP's 2**32 should be, more precisely, 2**32 - 1,
i.e., the capacity of an unsigned fullword.  (Where 2**40 comes from
is not so clear, since the one speculation about it that occurs to me
is almost insulting to the OP I will not set it out here.)

Arbitrary limits are always odorous, but the problem of control-block
field overflow is not going to go away, and for that reason the maxima

o 2**63 - 1 = 9.224 x 10**18, for a signed DW counter, or

o 2**64 - 1 = 1.845 x 10**19, for an unsigned DW counter

are likely to be upper bounds on many counts for the foreseeable future.

Such upper bounds should be much larger than life when they are
conceived; and these are, for now at least.   Questions like 'Who
would use a file name 1024 characters in length?' are thus
misconceived.

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Manuals on SYNCSORT on UNIX was Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-09 Thread Clark Morris
On 9 Oct 2012 08:16:21 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main Chris Blaicher
wrote:

Are the manuals for SYNCSORT available on-line, especially any for
UNIX.  I have fond memories of the power of the version for HP-UX.

Clark Morris
Yes, you could say that, but there are trade-offs.

When dealing with the EQUALS option, a field is internally added to each 
record by the sort.  That is more data that has to be carried around 
internally and on the SORTWK files.

Consider that to accommodate over 4 billion rows, that increased the DASD 
requirements by at least 8G.  Please note - I made an error in my previous 
post.  DB2 Sort and SyncSort can accommodate 2**48 records, not 2**40 records.

When the amount of data approaches 256 trillion records, I am sure we will 
accommodate it.  Will we jump to a full 2**64?  Probably, but that remains to 
be seen.

When I started with Syncsort, a 100 MegaByte sort was BIG and a 4 billion 
record sort was unthinkable.  Now a 100M sort can be an in-core sort.  What 
will the future bring?  I certainly don't know, but at the rate data is 
growing, in the not too distant future we will look at a 4 billion record sort 
and consider it normal.

Chris Blaicher
Senior Software Engineer, Software Services
Syncsort Incorporated
50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
P: 201-930-8260  |  M: 512-627-3803    
E: cblaic...@syncsort.com

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Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-09 Thread Ed Gould

Chris:

When I worked at a major publishing company (40 years ago+) we  
acquired SYNCSORT and at least weekly we sorted our master file (not  
sure I can tell you why either) and during the sort we used to sort 25 
+ million customer records (lots of other big sorts as well) we saved  
quite a bit of time by purchasing SYNCSORT and it actually supported  
E61 (which the other sort did not (CA?) ) we were pretty much a happy  
SYNCSORT user until IBM seriously started to optimize the sort. It  
seemed we would benchmark the two sorts every few years until it was  
a dead heat and then DFSORT started saving us real elapsed (and CPU)  
time. It was not all happy time with DFSORT as the first time we  
tried to use the improved DFSORT there was a serialization storage  
issue on an MP. Two years later we tried again and the issue  
apparently was fixed and we decided to go back to DFSORT.
One issue with SYNCSORT was that the fixes they sent out were in the  
form of ZAP's and we were constantly running out of IDR space.

Also the zap were prone to keying issues (mine).
I liked IBM's SMP philosophy and had wished SYNCSORT had adopted it  
and I have learned since that they (Syncsort) has moved on to the  
20th century. I will also admit SYNCSORT was as good as any at the  
time and getting help with an issue was never an issue (wish other  
vendors were half as good).

Now days DFSORT is pretty solid as well and support is pretty good.
As we have seen on here Syncsort has a good presence on IBM and as  
well DFSORT.


Ed

On Oct 9, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Blaicher, Christopher Y. wrote:


Yes, you could say that, but there are trade-offs.

When dealing with the EQUALS option, a field is internally added to  
each record by the sort.  That is more data that has to be carried  
around internally and on the SORTWK files.


Consider that to accommodate over 4 billion rows, that increased  
the DASD requirements by at least 8G.  Please note - I made an  
error in my previous post.  DB2 Sort and SyncSort can accommodate  
2**48 records, not 2**40 records.


When the amount of data approaches 256 trillion records, I am sure  
we will accommodate it.  Will we jump to a full 2**64?  Probably,  
but that remains to be seen.


When I started with Syncsort, a 100 MegaByte sort was BIG and a 4  
billion record sort was unthinkable.  Now a 100M sort can be an in- 
core sort.  What will the future bring?  I certainly don't know,  
but at the rate data is growing, in the not too distant future we  
will look at a 4 billion record sort and consider it normal.


Chris Blaicher
Senior Software Engineer, Software Services
Syncsort Incorporated
50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
P: 201-930-8260  |  M: 512-627-3803
E: cblaic...@syncsort.com


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- 
m...@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rob Schramm

Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE  
Option Problem.


Considering how data is growing, don't these limitations seem a bit  
arbitrary?  2**32 or 2**40?


Rob Schramm
On Oct 9, 2012 10:01 AM, Blaicher, Christopher Y.  
cblaic...@syncsort.com

wrote:


DB2 Sort and SyncSort do not have that limitation.  Their limitation
is
2**40 rather than 2**32.

Chris Blaicher
Senior Software Engineer, Software Services Syncsort Incorporated
50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677
P: 201-930-8260  |  M: 512-627-3803
E: cblaic...@syncsort.com


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- 
m...@listserv.ua.edu] On

Behalf Of Mehrshad Manshadi
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
Problem.

Hi David,

Thanks for your useful information.

So The APAR PM43006 will solve our problem? Am I right?

Best regards
Manshadi





 From: David Betten bet...@us.ibm.com
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
Problem.

Unfortunately, you are exceeding a DFSORT limitation on the number of
records that can be sorted.  DFSORT has the following limitations

1. Variable-length records - 4294967295 records 2. EQUALS in effect -
4294967295 records 3. VLSHRT in effect - 2147483647 records 4.  
Blockset

technique not selected - 2147483647 records


Number 4 will not be a problem since Blockset is always used for  
sorts
invoked by DB2 Utilities.  DB2 APAR PM43006 causes the utilities  
to pass
NOVLSHRT and NOEQUALS which would resolve numbers 2 and 3 but  
since this is
a vaiable length sort, you're still going to have that first  
limitation of

4,294,967,295 records.  Normally you'd want to break up the reorg by
partitions but since you're doing a rebalance, I guess that's why  
it's
trying to sort the entire file at once.  I suggest you open

Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-08 Thread Mehrshad Manshadi
Hi,

We have a table space with 250 partition and 4,600,000,000 records which it's 
have to re partition.

Because of lack space on the DASD we are trying to use Tape on some DD cards as 
follows :

//SYSREC    DD DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE1,DISP=(MOD,CATLG),             
//          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)          
//SYSUT1    DD DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE2,DISP=(NEW,CATLG),             
//          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)          
//SORTOUT   DD DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE3,DISP=(NEW,CATLG),             
//          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)          
//SYSCOPY   DD DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE4,DISP=(NEW,CATLG),             
//          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)          

We are using 123 work data sets as follows :

//SORTWK01  DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA,
//          SPACE=(CYL,(4300,1000),RLSE),   
//          VOL=(,,,180),STORCLAS=SCLARGE   
//SORTWK02  DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA,
//          SPACE=(CYL,(4300,1000),RLSE),   
//          VOL=(,,,180),STORCLAS=SCLARGE   
//SORTWK03  DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA,
//          SPACE=(CYL,(4300,1000),RLSE),   
//          VOL=(,,,180),STORCLAS=SCLARGE   

.
.
.
.
.
.
//SORTWK4F  DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA,
//          SPACE=(CYL,(4300,1000),RLSE),   
//          VOL=(,,,180),STORCLAS=SCLARGE   

And the reorg options as follows :

//DFSPARM  DD  *                                       
    OPTION MOSIZE=0                                    
//DSNUPROC.SYSIN DD *                                  
REORG TABLESPACE QQBANCS.TSINHO REBALANCE              
    LOG NO SORTDATA SORTDEVT SYSDA SORTNUM 4           
    COPYDDN(SYSCOPY)                                   
/*                                                     

The problem is the unload phase cont the number of records which we expected 
and after this we assume that it should be  switch to next step , but the job 
failed with following error:

DSNUGUTC - OUTPUT START FOR UTILITY, UTILID = ROINHORB                
DSNUGTIS - PROCESSING SYSIN AS EBCDIC                                 
DSNUGUTC -  REORG TABLESPACE QQBANCS.TSINHO REBALANCE LOG NO SORTDATA 
                                                                      
DSNUGSRT - ERROR FROM SORT COMPONENT RC=16, UTILITY STOPPED           
DSNUGBAC - UTILITY BATCH MEMORY EXECUTION ABENDED, REASON=X'00E40005' 

Please help if you have any idea about it.

Best regards
Manshadi

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Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-08 Thread David Betten
You need to look at the sort messages to determine why the sort failed.  If
you want, send the entire joblog to the DFSORT hot line (dfs...@us.ibm.com)
and we can look it over for you.


Have a nice day,
Dave Betten
DFSMS Performance Engineer
IBM Corporation
email:  bet...@us.ibm.com
1-301-240-3809
DFSORT/MVSontheweb at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/

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 From: Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
 Date: 10/08/2012 08:06 AM
 Subject: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
Problem.
 Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu

 Hi,

 We have a table space with 250 partition and 4,600,000,000 records
 which it's have to re partition.

 Because of lack space on the DASD we are trying to use Tape on some
 DD cards as follows :

 //SYSREC    DD DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE1,DISP=(MOD,CATLG),
 //          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)
 //SYSUT1    DD DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE2,DISP=(NEW,CATLG),
 //          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)
 //SORTOUT   DD DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE3,DISP=(NEW,CATLG),
 //          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)
 //SYSCOPY   DD DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE4,DISP=(NEW,CATLG),
 //          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)

 We are using 123 work data sets as follows :

 //SORTWK01  DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA,
 //          SPACE=(CYL,(4300,1000),RLSE),
 //          VOL=(,,,180),STORCLAS=SCLARGE
 //SORTWK02  DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA,
 //          SPACE=(CYL,(4300,1000),RLSE),
 //          VOL=(,,,180),STORCLAS=SCLARGE
 //SORTWK03  DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA,
 //          SPACE=(CYL,(4300,1000),RLSE),
 //          VOL=(,,,180),STORCLAS=SCLARGE

 .
 .
 .
 .
 .
 .
 //SORTWK4F  DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA,
 //          SPACE=(CYL,(4300,1000),RLSE),
 //          VOL=(,,,180),STORCLAS=SCLARGE

 And the reorg options as follows :

 //DFSPARM  DD  *
     OPTION MOSIZE=0
 //DSNUPROC.SYSIN DD *
 REORG TABLESPACE QQBANCS.TSINHO REBALANCE
     LOG NO SORTDATA SORTDEVT SYSDA SORTNUM 4
     COPYDDN(SYSCOPY)
 /*

 The problem is the unload phase cont the number of records which we
 expected and after this we assume that it should be  switch to next
 step , but the job failed with following error:

 DSNUGUTC - OUTPUT START FOR UTILITY, UTILID = ROINHORB
 DSNUGTIS - PROCESSING SYSIN AS EBCDIC
 DSNUGUTC -  REORG TABLESPACE QQBANCS.TSINHO REBALANCE LOG NO SORTDATA

 DSNUGSRT - ERROR FROM SORT COMPONENT RC=16, UTILITY STOPPED
 DSNUGBAC - UTILITY BATCH MEMORY EXECUTION ABENDED, REASON=X'00E40005'

 Please help if you have any idea about it.

 Best regards
 Manshadi

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Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-08 Thread Mehrshad Manshadi
Hi Dave,



The attached is sort message of the output job.


1ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET     SORT  TECHNIQUE SELECTED

 ICE250I 0 VISIT http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort FOR DFSORT PAPERS, EXAMPLES A
 ICE000I 0 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5694-A01, Z/OS DFSORT V1R5 - 11:18 ON MON OC
0              OPTION MOSIZE=0
 ICE140I 0 END OF PARAMETERS FROM DFSPARM  - SYSIN OR SORTCNTL/PARAMETER LIST CO
           SORT FIELDS=(5.0,00028.0,A),FORMAT=BI,FILSZ=E04979426640,DYNA
                          OC=(SYSDA,04)
           RECORD TYPE=V,LENGTH=(00070,00070,00070)
           OPTION MSGPRT=ALL,MSGDDN=UTPRINT,AVGRLEN=00070,MAINSIZE=065536K
 ICE201I 0 RECORD TYPE IS V - DATA STARTS IN POSITION 5
 ICE751I 0 C5-BASE   C6-BASE   C7-BASE   C8-Q83041 E4-BASE   C9-BASE   E5-Q90312
 ICE193I 0 ICEAM2 ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM2 INSTALLATION MODULE SELECTED
 ICE089I 0 ROINHORB.REORG   .DSNUPROC, INPUT LRECL = 70, TYPE = V
 ICE092I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (67108864,67108864,67108864)
 ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (66060288,66060288)
 ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0 ,SPANINC=RC16,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y
 ICE128I 0 OPTIONS: SIZE=67108864,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=Y,LIST=Y,E
 ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=NO   ,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHA
 ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=0,RESINV=0,SVC=109 ,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,CKPT=N,
 ICE131I 0 OPTIONS: TMAXLIM=6291456,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=16384,CINV=Y,CFW
 ICE132I 0 OPTIONS: VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=Y,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE    ,EXIT
 ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=OPTIMAL,DSPSIZE=MAX ,ODMAXBF=0,SOLRF=Y,VLLONG=N,VSAM
 ICE235I 0 OPTIONS: NULLOUT=RC0
 ICE750I 0 DC 0 TC 0 CS DSVXX KSZ 32 VSZ 32
 ICE752I 0 FSZ=4979426640 RE  IGN=0 C  AVG=70 70  WSP=452719355 E  DYN=0 0
 ICE121A 7 FILE SIZE IS TOO LARGE
 ICE751I 1 D8-Q83041 D4-Q84357 E8-BASE
 ICE052I 0 END OF DFSORT


Best regards
Manshadi




 From: David Betten bet...@us.ibm.com
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.
 
You need to look at the sort messages to determine why the sort failed.  If
you want, send the entire joblog to the DFSORT hot line (dfs...@us.ibm.com)
and we can look it over for you.


Have a nice day,
Dave Betten
DFSMS Performance Engineer
IBM Corporation
email:  bet...@us.ibm.com
1-301-240-3809
DFSORT/MVSontheweb at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on
10/08/2012 08:03:35 AM:

 From: Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
 Date: 10/08/2012 08:06 AM
 Subject: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
Problem.
 Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu

 Hi,

 We have a table space with 250 partition and 4,600,000,000 records
 which it's have to re partition.

 Because of lack space on the DASD we are trying to use Tape on some
 DD cards as follows :

 //SYSREC    DD DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE1,DISP=(MOD,CATLG),
 //          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)
 //SYSUT1    DD DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE2,DISP=(NEW,CATLG),
 //          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)
 //SORTOUT   DD
 DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE3,DISP=(NEW,CATLG),
 //          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)
 //SYSCOPY   DD DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE4,DISP=(NEW,CATLG),
 //          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)

 We are using 123 work data sets as follows :

 //SORTWK01  DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA,
 //          SPACE=(CYL,(4300,1000),RLSE),
 //          VOL=(,,,180),STORCLAS=SCLARGE
 //SORTWK02  DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA,
 //          SPACE=(CYL,(4300,1000),RLSE),
 //          VOL=(,,,180),STORCLAS=SCLARGE
 //SORTWK03  DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA,
 //          SPACE=(CYL,(4300,1000),RLSE),
 //        
  VOL=(,,,180),STORCLAS=SCLARGE

 .
 .
 .
 .
 .
 .
 //SORTWK4F  DD DISP=(NEW,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA,
 //          SPACE=(CYL,(4300,1000),RLSE),
 //          VOL=(,,,180),STORCLAS=SCLARGE

 And the reorg options as follows :

 //DFSPARM  DD  *
     OPTION MOSIZE=0
 //DSNUPROC.SYSIN DD *
 REORG TABLESPACE QQBANCS.TSINHO REBALANCE
     LOG NO SORTDATA SORTDEVT SYSDA SORTNUM 4
     COPYDDN(SYSCOPY)
 /*

 The problem is the unload phase cont the number of records which we
 expected and after this we assume that it should be  switch to next
 step , but the job failed with following error:

 DSNUGUTC - OUTPUT START FOR UTILITY, UTILID = ROINHORB
 DSNUGTIS -
 PROCESSING SYSIN AS EBCDIC
 DSNUGUTC -  REORG TABLESPACE QQBANCS.TSINHO REBALANCE LOG NO SORTDATA

 DSNUGSRT - ERROR FROM SORT COMPONENT RC=16, UTILITY STOPPED
 DSNUGBAC - UTILITY BATCH MEMORY EXECUTION ABENDED, REASON=X'00E40005'

 Please help if you have any idea about it.

 Best regards
 Manshadi

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Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-08 Thread Mike Schwab
 SORT FIELDS=(5.0,00028.0,A),FORMAT=BI,FILSZ=E04979426640,
 DYNAOC=(SYSDA,04)
 RECORD TYPE=V,LENGTH=(00070,00070,00070)

5 billion record, 70 bytes per record, 350GB.
4 SORTWK files, so 350GB / 3 = 120GB per volume.

If you have smaller volumes you will need more of them.

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Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option Problem.

2012-10-08 Thread David Betten
Unfortunately, you are exceeding a DFSORT limitation on the number of
records that can be sorted.  DFSORT has the following limitations

1. Variable-length records - 4294967295 records
2. EQUALS in effect - 4294967295 records
3. VLSHRT in effect - 2147483647 records
4. Blockset technique not selected - 2147483647 records


Number 4 will not be a problem since Blockset is always used for sorts
invoked by DB2 Utilities.  DB2 APAR PM43006 causes the utilities to pass
NOVLSHRT and NOEQUALS which would resolve numbers 2 and 3 but since this is
a vaiable length sort, you're still going to have that first limitation of
4,294,967,295 records.  Normally you'd want to break up the reorg by
partitions but since you're doing a rebalance, I guess that's why it's
trying to sort the entire file at once.  I suggest you open  PMR and see if
DB2 Utilities support can provide a solution.

Also two additional notes about this.

1. It looks like your DFSORTinstallation default for DSA is 64 and that's
causing the utility to limit the mainsize it passes.  You probably want
something much larger for a sort this size.  I'd suggest changing your
installation default to something much larger like DSA=256.
2. It appears you are running DFSORT V1R5.  That has been out of service
for quite some time.



Have a nice day,
Dave Betten
DFSMS Performance Engineer
IBM Corporation
email:  bet...@us.ibm.com
1-301-240-3809
DFSORT/MVSontheweb at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on
10/08/2012 10:10:10 AM:

 From: Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
 Date: 10/08/2012 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
Problem.
 Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu

 Hi Dave,



 The attached is sort message of the output job.


 1ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET     SORT  TECHNIQUE SELECTED

  ICE250I 0 VISIT http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort FOR DFSORT
 PAPERS, EXAMPLES A
  ICE000I 0 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5694-A01, Z/OS DFSORT V1R5 - 11:
 18 ON MON OC
 0              OPTION MOSIZE=0
  ICE140I 0 END OF PARAMETERS FROM DFSPARM  - SYSIN OR SORTCNTL/
 PARAMETER LIST CO
            SORT FIELDS=(5.0,00028.
 0,A),FORMAT=BI,FILSZ=E04979426640,DYNA
                           OC=(SYSDA,04)
            RECORD TYPE=V,LENGTH=(00070,00070,00070)
            OPTION
MSGPRT=ALL,MSGDDN=UTPRINT,AVGRLEN=00070,MAINSIZE=065536K
  ICE201I 0 RECORD TYPE IS V - DATA STARTS IN POSITION 5
  ICE751I 0 C5-BASE   C6-BASE   C7-BASE   C8-Q83041 E4-BASE   C9-BASE
   E5-Q90312
  ICE193I 0 ICEAM2 ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM2 INSTALLATION MODULE
SELECTED
  ICE089I 0 ROINHORB.REORG   .DSNUPROC, INPUT LRECL = 70, TYPE = V
  ICE092I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (67108864,67108864,67108864)
  ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (66060288,66060288)
  ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0
 ,SPANINC=RC16,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y
  ICE128I 0 OPTIONS:
 SIZE=67108864,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=Y,LIST=Y,E
  ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=NO
,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHA
  ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=0,RESINV=0,SVC=109
 ,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,CKPT=N,
  ICE131I 0 OPTIONS:
 TMAXLIM=6291456,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=16384,CINV=Y,CFW
  ICE132I 0 OPTIONS:
 VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=Y,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE    ,EXIT
  ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=OPTIMAL,DSPSIZE=MAX
 ,ODMAXBF=0,SOLRF=Y,VLLONG=N,VSAM
  ICE235I 0 OPTIONS: NULLOUT=RC0
  ICE750I 0 DC 0 TC 0 CS DSVXX KSZ 32 VSZ 32
  ICE752I 0 FSZ=4979426640 RE  IGN=0 C  AVG=70 70  WSP=452719355 E  DYN=0
0
  ICE121A 7 FILE SIZE IS TOO LARGE
  ICE751I 1 D8-Q83041 D4-Q84357 E8-BASE
  ICE052I 0 END OF DFSORT


 Best regards
 Manshadi



 
  From: David Betten bet...@us.ibm.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:05 PM
 Subject: Re: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
Problem.

 You need to look at the sort messages to determine why the sort failed.
If
 you want, send the entire joblog to the DFSORT hot line
(dfs...@us.ibm.com)
 and we can look it over for you.


 Have a nice day,
 Dave Betten
 DFSMS Performance Engineer
 IBM Corporation
 email:  bet...@us.ibm.com
 1-301-240-3809
 DFSORT/MVSontheweb at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/

 IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on
 10/08/2012 08:03:35 AM:

  From: Mehrshad Manshadi m_mansh...@yahoo.com
  To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
  Date: 10/08/2012 08:06 AM
  Subject: Reorganizing Partition Table Space With REBALANCE Option
 Problem.
  Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
 
  Hi,
 
  We have a table space with 250 partition and 4,600,000,000 records
  which it's have to re partition.
 
  Because of lack space on the DASD we are trying to use Tape on some
  DD cards as follows :
 
  //SYSREC    DD DSN=TEMPDS.TAPE1,DISP=(MOD,CATLG),
  //          UNIT=CART,RETPD=36,BLKSIZE=0,LABEL=(,SL)
  //SYSUT1    DD DSN