Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-06 Thread Neil Duffee
Not a 'tool' exactly but I wrote a similar *raw* comparison job to do what 
you're seeking.  It uses IDCAMS DCOLLECT SMSDATA() where SCDSNAME(ACTIVE) gives 
you the equivalent values that are found in the current ACDS.  You then SuperC 
that vs. the SCDSNAME() you're looking to activate/validate.  

Unfortunately, there will always be deltas [1] if only for internal dates;  so 
I wrote myself a SAS program that does a raw comparison, ignoring the record 
header stuffs, and provides offsets & lengths that can be used with the 
DCOLLECT records layouts in the AMS appendix.  That illustrated to me that the 
information in 'Reserved' fields will *not* be equal.  Still, it, along with an 
IDCAMS PRINT of both, made the manual investigation simpler and could be used 
as backup documentation when printed/annotated/filed.

I'll bundle up the 10 member library for those that want.  (I never considered 
it for CBT since it's *really* just an augmented SuperC.)

[1]  I just re-ran the job comparing the activating SCDS against the ACTIVE and 
SuperC gives 980 deltas.  The SAS program 'wheedles' that down to 367 items to 
check. (only 16 of those are non-SG related.)

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From: retired mainframer [mailto:ret..-ma...@q...com] 
Sent: February 3, 2017 00:03
Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

You could use ISMF to print the various classes and ACS routines, one dataset 
with the "current" output and the other with the SCDS output.  Then SUPERC the 
two listings and let management think they understand what the differences mean.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> On Behalf Of Chuck Kreiter
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:19 AM
> Subject: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> 
> Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS and 
> the "to be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to be 
> implemented
> with a given change.  I've asked IBM and they were not aware of anything.
> I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything.  A 
> FileManger compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful.  
> Anyone know of such a tool or process to produce such a compare?

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Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-02 Thread retired mainframer
You could use ISMF to print the various classes and ACS routines, one
dataset with the "current" output and the other with the SCDS output.  Then
SUPERC the two listings and let management think they understand what the
differences mean.

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> Behalf Of Chuck Kreiter
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:19 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> 
> Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS and the
> "to be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to be
implemented
> with a given change.  I've asked IBM and they were not aware of anything.
> I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything.  A
> FileManger compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful.  Anyone
> know of such a tool or process to produce such a compare?

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Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-02 Thread Steve Beaver
Comparex is not cheap then you will have to decode the differences once it 
points out the differences

Steve

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I'll check that out.  Thanks.  

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serena software. comparex

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Steve Beaver 


> On Feb 2, 2017, at 12:29, John McKown  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Chuck Kreiter 
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS and 
>> the "to be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to be 
>> implemented with a given change.  I've asked IBM and they were not aware of 
>> anything.
>> I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything.  A 
>> FileManger compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful.
>> Anyone know of such a tool or process to produce such a compare?
>> 
> 
> ​I've never heard of such a thing. It would be a bit like saying: 
> "Compare this COBOL source program to the program object currently 
> being run to see what the differences are."​
> 
> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
> 
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Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-02 Thread Lizette Koehler
I forgot to mention - we use standardized TESTCASEs to validate ACS code.

Run it before changes.
Run it after changes

Compare the output to make sure we only changed was we expected to change.

Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:04 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> 
> So long as the only team making these changes is controlled (Stg Admin team in
> a RACF Group).  Then there is a reduction of who can make these types of
> changes.  Therefor the liability will be reduced.
> 
> From my perspective, there is little that can be done to reliably ensure
> managers that what is going in will do no harm.
> 
> We have a test CDS that we use when are working on ACS code.  But then when it
> goes live, we rely on each other to have notified the group of what other
> changes might be there.
> 
> You might look at the produce SMS/DEBUG by dtssoftware.com . Or the Suite of
> DTS Software for SMS.  You can take some of the functions in ISMF and put it
> in this tool where it is easier to control.
> 
> Lizette
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> > On Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo
> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 1:57 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> >
> > I hear ya, been thru IITEL (sp) change management methodology at 3
> > jobs, just starting here now.
> > maybe you can setup an ACS test routine and test both active and test
> > with the SCDS and provide the output from the test?
> > Carmen
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -
> >
> > From: "Chuck Kreiter" 
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 2:49:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> >
> > Paranoia is driving this more than anything. Managers are being asked
> > to sign- off on changes and that is driving the desire to know exactly
> > what was changed. We provide screen shots of our changes or ACS code
> > compares, but this doesn't prove something else wasn't changed in
> > their minds. They want to see what is different between the current
> > ACDS and the SCDS that is about the activated.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> > On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> > Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:26 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> >
> > What specifically do they think they need with the ACDS/SCDS?
> >
> > I can dynamically change lots of things in ISMF and unless I document
> > it outside of the product, it will remain hidden.
> >
> > Was there an event where an old version of the SCDS was activated?
> > Were ACS code regressed or not tested prior to implementing? Were
> > volumes moved out of or into the wrong SMS Storage Group?
> >
> > What is the incentive to do this?
> >
> > Change ACS Constructs
> > Translate
> > Validate
> > Activate
> >
> > Is there something in this process they need more robust or bullet-proof?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lizette
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> > > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Kreiter
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:19 AM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> > >
> > > Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS
> > > and the "to be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to
> > > be implemented with a given change. I've asked IBM and they were not
> > > aware
> > of anything.
> > > I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything. A
> > > FileManger compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful.
> > > Anyone know of such a tool or process to produce such a compare?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Chuck

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Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-02 Thread Lizette Koehler
So long as the only team making these changes is controlled (Stg Admin team in 
a RACF Group).  Then there is a reduction of who can make these types of 
changes.  Therefor the liability will be reduced.

>From my perspective, there is little that can be done to reliably ensure 
>managers that what is going in will do no harm.  

We have a test CDS that we use when are working on ACS code.  But then when it 
goes live, we rely on each other to have notified the group of what other 
changes might be there.

You might look at the produce SMS/DEBUG by dtssoftware.com . Or the Suite of 
DTS Software for SMS.  You can take some of the functions in ISMF and put it in 
this tool where it is easier to control.

Lizette



> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 1:57 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> 
> I hear ya, been thru IITEL (sp) change management methodology at 3 jobs, just
> starting here now.
> maybe you can setup an ACS test routine and test both active and test with the
> SCDS and provide the output from the test?
> Carmen
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Chuck Kreiter" 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 2:49:25 PM
> Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> 
> Paranoia is driving this more than anything. Managers are being asked to sign-
> off on changes and that is driving the desire to know exactly what was
> changed. We provide screen shots of our changes or ACS code compares, but this
> doesn't prove something else wasn't changed in their minds. They want to see
> what is different between the current ACDS and the SCDS that is about the
> activated.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:26 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> 
> What specifically do they think they need with the ACDS/SCDS?
> 
> I can dynamically change lots of things in ISMF and unless I document it
> outside of the product, it will remain hidden.
> 
> Was there an event where an old version of the SCDS was activated? Were ACS
> code regressed or not tested prior to implementing? Were volumes moved out of
> or into the wrong SMS Storage Group?
> 
> What is the incentive to do this?
> 
> Change ACS Constructs
> Translate
> Validate
> Activate
> 
> Is there something in this process they need more robust or bullet-proof?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lizette
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> > On Behalf Of Chuck Kreiter
> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:19 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> >
> > Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS and
> > the "to be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to be
> > implemented with a given change. I've asked IBM and they were not
> > aware
> of anything.
> > I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything. A
> > FileManger compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful.
> > Anyone know of such a tool or process to produce such a compare?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> 
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Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-02 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I hear ya, been thru IITEL (sp) change management methodology at 3 jobs, just 
starting here now. 
maybe you can setup an ACS test routine and test both active and test with the 
SCDS and provide the output from the test? 
Carmen 



- Original Message -

From: "Chuck Kreiter"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 2:49:25 PM 
Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool 

Paranoia is driving this more than anything. Managers are being asked to 
sign-off on changes and that is driving the desire to know exactly what was 
changed. We provide screen shots of our changes or ACS code compares, but 
this doesn't prove something else wasn't changed in their minds. They want 
to see what is different between the current ACDS and the SCDS that is about 
the activated. 

-Original Message- 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
Behalf Of Lizette Koehler 
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:26 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool 

What specifically do they think they need with the ACDS/SCDS? 

I can dynamically change lots of things in ISMF and unless I document it 
outside of the product, it will remain hidden. 

Was there an event where an old version of the SCDS was activated? Were ACS 
code regressed or not tested prior to implementing? Were volumes moved out 
of or into the wrong SMS Storage Group? 

What is the incentive to do this? 

Change ACS Constructs 
Translate 
Validate 
Activate 

Is there something in this process they need more robust or bullet-proof? 




Lizette 


> -Original Message- 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Chuck Kreiter 
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:19 AM 
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
> Subject: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool 
> 
> Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS and 
> the "to be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to be 
> implemented with a given change. I've asked IBM and they were not aware 
of anything. 
> I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything. A 
> FileManger compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful. 
> Anyone know of such a tool or process to produce such a compare? 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Chuck 
> 

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Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-02 Thread Chuck Kreiter
I'll check that out.  Thanks.  

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Steve Beaver
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:01 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

serena software. comparex

Sent from my iPhone
Steve Beaver 


> On Feb 2, 2017, at 12:29, John McKown  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Chuck Kreiter 
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS and 
>> the "to be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to be 
>> implemented with a given change.  I've asked IBM and they were not aware of 
>> anything.
>> I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything.  A 
>> FileManger compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful.  
>> Anyone know of such a tool or process to produce such a compare?
>> 
> 
> ​I've never heard of such a thing. It would be a bit like saying: 
> "Compare this COBOL source program to the program object currently 
> being run to see what the differences are."​
> 
> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-02 Thread Chuck Kreiter
Paranoia is driving this more than anything.  Managers are being asked to
sign-off on changes and that is driving the desire to know exactly what was
changed.  We provide screen shots of our changes or ACS code compares,  but
this doesn't prove something else wasn't changed in their minds.  They want
to see what is different between the current ACDS and the SCDS that is about
the activated.  

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:26 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

What specifically do they think they need with the ACDS/SCDS?

I can dynamically change lots of things in ISMF and unless I document it
outside of the product, it will remain hidden.

Was there an event where an old version of the SCDS was activated?  Were ACS
code regressed or not tested prior to implementing?  Were volumes moved out
of or into the wrong SMS Storage Group?

What is the incentive to do this?

Change ACS Constructs
Translate
Validate
Activate

Is there something in this process they need more robust or bullet-proof?




Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Chuck Kreiter
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:19 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> 
> Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS and 
> the "to be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to be 
> implemented with a given change.  I've asked IBM and they were not aware
of anything.
> I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything.  A 
> FileManger compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful.  
> Anyone know of such a tool or process to produce such a compare?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck
> 

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Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-02 Thread Lizette Koehler
What specifically do they think they need with the ACDS/SCDS?

I can dynamically change lots of things in ISMF and unless I document it outside
of the product, it will remain hidden.

Was there an event where an old version of the SCDS was activated?  Were ACS
code regressed or not tested prior to implementing?  Were volumes moved out of
or into the wrong SMS Storage Group?

What is the incentive to do this?

Change ACS Constructs
Translate 
Validate
Activate

Is there something in this process they need more robust or bullet-proof?




Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Kreiter
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:19 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool
> 
> Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS and the "to
> be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to be implemented with a
> given change.  I've asked IBM and they were not aware of anything.
> I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything.  A FileManger
> compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful.  Anyone know of such a
> tool or process to produce such a compare?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chuck
> 

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Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-02 Thread Steve Beaver
serena software. comparex

Sent from my iPhone
Steve Beaver 


> On Feb 2, 2017, at 12:29, John McKown  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Chuck Kreiter 
> wrote:
> 
>> Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS and the
>> "to be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to be implemented
>> with a given change.  I've asked IBM and they were not aware of anything.
>> I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything.  A
>> FileManger compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful.  Anyone
>> know of such a tool or process to produce such a compare?
>> 
> 
> ​I've never heard of such a thing. It would be a bit like saying: "Compare
> this COBOL source program to the program object currently being run to see
> what the differences are."​
> 
> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-02 Thread Chuck Kreiter
I haven't either but wanted to ask this group.  Right now, we show our changes 
via screen shots but that doesn't seem good enough in this change/risk paranoia 
environment that I work.  We can't even initialize volumes with our own ID's 
any more.  They have to be done with a non-human account run through a 
scheduler.  

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Of John McKown
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 1:30 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Chuck Kreiter 
wrote:

> Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS and 
> the "to be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to be 
> implemented with a given change.  I've asked IBM and they were not aware of 
> anything.
> I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything.  A 
> FileManger compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful.  
> Anyone know of such a tool or process to produce such a compare?
>

​I've never heard of such a thing. It would be a bit like saying: "Compare this 
COBOL source program to the program object currently being run to see what the 
differences are."​


> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>


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Re: SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-02 Thread John McKown
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Chuck Kreiter 
wrote:

> Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS and the
> "to be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to be implemented
> with a given change.  I've asked IBM and they were not aware of anything.
> I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything.  A
> FileManger compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful.  Anyone
> know of such a tool or process to produce such a compare?
>

​I've never heard of such a thing. It would be a bit like saying: "Compare
this COBOL source program to the program object currently being run to see
what the differences are."​


> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>


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SCDS/ACDS Compare Tool

2017-02-02 Thread Chuck Kreiter
Management at my company wants to see a delta compare of the ACDS and the
"to be activated" SCDS so that they can see what is going to be implemented
with a given change.  I've asked IBM and they were not aware of anything.
I've looked at Naviquest and it can do some but not everything.  A
FileManger compare of the files doesn't produce anything useful.  Anyone
know of such a tool or process to produce such a compare?

 

Thanks, 

Chuck


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