Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
Is - part of the ASA standard or is it an IBMism? --
Peter Hunkeler
It's pretty hard to find a definitive document. I'd have greater trust in one
that wasn't published by IBM.
While reading RFC 959 (FTP) for some other reasons, I stumbled across the
following text:
Quote3.1.1.5.2. CARRIAGE CONTROL (ASA)
The file contains ASA (FORTRAN) vertical format control
characters. (See RFC 740 Appendix C; and Communications
of the ACM, Vol. 7, No. 10, p. 606, October 1964.) In a
line or a record formatted according to the ASA Standard,
the first character is not to be printed. Instead, it
should be used to determine the vertical movement of the
paper which should take place before the rest of the
record is printed.
The ASA Standard specifies the following control
characters:
Character Vertical Spacing
blank Move paper up one line
0 Move paper up two lines
1 Move paper to top of next page
+ No movement, i.e., overprint
/Quote
Then looking at RFC 740 (NETRJS) I read in appendix C
QuoteCarriage Control
The carriage control characters sent in a printer channel by NETRJS
conform to IBM's extended USASI code, defined by the following table:
CODE ACTION BEFORE WRITING RECORD
Blank Space one line before printing
0 Space two lines before printing
- Space three lines before printing
+ Suppress space before printing
1 Skip to channel 1
2 Skip to channel 2
3 Skip to channel 3
4 Skip to channel 4
5 Skip to channel 5
6 Skip to channel 6
7 Skip to channel 7
8 Skip to channel 8
9 Skip to channel 9
A Skip to channel 10
B Skip to channel 11
C Skip to channel 12
/Quote
So, I conclude that the - indeed is an IBM extension.
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Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
I'm not using it currently, but have done quite recently. It's broadly very similar to SDSF, although it took me months to get used to doing =I to access it instead of =S. And one you're there some of the line commands are different - SDSF's ? is S, whereas SDSF's S is B. One feature I did like is that each entry on the screen is indexed with a number to the left. So instead of having to tab down to the entry you want you just enter that number on the command line and press enter. Very simple and time saving. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: 13 August 2015 21:04 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SDSF and Carriage Control IOF is a SPOOL display product from Fischer International https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.fisc.com_products_iof_d=BQIBaQc=IV_clAzoPDE253xZdHuilRgztyh_RiV3wUrLrDQYWSIr=e3tYBLyxxv2bm6qKB_Bu6i8laFMVOfQGTujvsDqIvKUm=v-s5jwzv02bqaMwQtNQXOPvNnoymejublx_dPMVLf4Us=gTfJyDVlPgCbobAgq4orGc-rVElxWvV74jiaT9eMHbQe= . Interactive Output Facility according to the site. I have a vague memory of it. It is not an SDSF work-alike but, back when I used it, it had some good features. On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Peter Hunkeler p...@gmx.ch wrote: IOF does and has for at least 14 years support carriage control emulated display (both RECFM=A or M), except for overprinting. Pardon my ignorance, but what is IOF? -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted. Yoda of Borg, we are. Futile, resistance is, yes. Assimilated, you will be. He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:23:06 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 08/11/2015 at 03:13 PM, Dana Mitchell mitchd...@gmail.com said: since obviously you can't simulate overstrike on a display. Not obvious and not true, but the 3270 display stream doesn't support it. However, it does support high intensity, which is a reasonable substitute. Depends. For highlighting, yes. Not for synthesizing characters as APL did with a Selectric typewriter. And think of the line printer halftone posters that programmers (used to) hang on their office walls. (Does anyone have a sample?) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
Some of these .txt are recognizable on big screen. Haven't tried to print. Probably a PG rating _www.testfiles.com/art/DECUS/_ (http://www.testfiles.com/art/DECUS/) In a message dated 8/13/2015 11:34:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu writes: And think of the line printer halftone posters that programmers (used to) hang on their office walls. (Does anyone have a sample?) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
AW: Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
IOF does and has for at least 14 years support carriage control emulated display (both RECFM=A or M), except for overprinting. Pardon my ignorance, but what is IOF? -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
IOF is a SPOOL display product from Fischer International http://www.fisc.com/products/iof/ . Interactive Output Facility according to the site. I have a vague memory of it. It is not an SDSF work-alike but, back when I used it, it had some good features. On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Peter Hunkeler p...@gmx.ch wrote: IOF does and has for at least 14 years support carriage control emulated display (both RECFM=A or M), except for overprinting. Pardon my ignorance, but what is IOF? -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Schrodinger's backup: The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted. Yoda of Borg, we are. Futile, resistance is, yes. Assimilated, you will be. He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
IOF does and has for at least 14 years support carriage control emulated display (both RECFM=A or M), except for overprinting. On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 3:26 PM Peter Hunkeler p...@gmx.ch wrote: Ah! Here it is!: asa - Interpret ASA/FORTRAN carriage control But it's an incomplete implementation. Doesn't support the - (space 3 lines) ASA CC. -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
Now I are confused. http://www.triangle-systems.com/ioftech.shtml The contact is for the same person at same number. Christine Carfgnoni In a message dated 8/13/2015 3:04:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, john.archie.mck...@gmail.com writes: http://www.fisc.com/products/iof/ . Interactive Output Facility according to the site. I have a vague memory of it. It is not an SDSF work-alike but, back when I used it, it had some good features. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AW: Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 21:26:11 +0200, Peter Hunkeler wrote: Ah! Here it is!: asa - Interpret ASA/FORTRAN carriage control But it's an incomplete implementation. Doesn't support the - (space 3 lines) ASA CC. Is - part of the ASA standard or is it an IBMism? It's pretty hard to find a definitive document. I'd have greater trust in one that wasn't published by IBM. You can fix it with the sed filter: sed '/^-/i\ s/^-/0/' -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 15:03:44 -0500, John McKown wrote: IOF is a SPOOL display product from Fischer International http://www.fisc.com/products/iof/ . Interactive Output Facility according to the site. I have a vague memory of it. It is not an SDSF work-alike but, back when I used it, it had some good features. How does it compare to (E)JES. We can no longer afford (E)JES. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
In 1867294601655777.wa.mitchdanagmail@listserv.ua.edu, on 08/11/2015 at 03:13 PM, Dana Mitchell mitchd...@gmail.com said: since obviously you can't simulate overstrike on a display. Not obvious and not true, but the 3270 display stream doesn't support it. However, it does support high intensity, which is a reasonable substitute. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
AW: Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
Ah! Here it is!: asa - Interpret ASA/FORTRAN carriage control But it's an incomplete implementation. Doesn't support the - (space 3 lines) ASA CC. -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
On 2015-08-11 14:13, Dana Mitchell wrote: I wrote a rexx once years ago to format and display a sequential file respecting carriage controls. At the time it was to make the memo to users from a CBPDO a little more readable. But as much as that document used '+' to suppress spacing for bold and underlining, I couldn't make get it to come out looking ok since obviously you can't simulate overstrike on a display. The IBM 3800 printer had the capability to overstrike only with the underscore character. And, IIRC, ironically the underscores must appear on the *last* line printed. So, if one simply renders + carriage control as CR without LF one sees only the underscores. Not the best design. It depends on the display. If you use overstriking with identical text for highlighting, you could shift to high intensity text on some displays. And I have a filter which converts FORTRAN/COBOL carriage control to a PostScript file. When I view its output with GNU Ghostview, the overstrikes appear, even as on an impact printer. It depends on your display; it's not obvious. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
TBH, I haven't used IOF in about 17+ years now. But I thought even back then it had an option to honor CC when looking at spool output. Anyone? Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS ITIL v3 Foundation Certified mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://search390.techtarget.com/ateExperts/ On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:13:46 -0500, Dana Mitchell mitchd...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote a rexx once years ago to format and display a sequential file respecting carriage controls. At the time it was to make the memo to users from a CBPDO a little more readable. But as much as that document used '+' to suppress spacing for bold and underlining, I couldn't make get it to come out looking ok since obviously you can't simulate overstrike on a display. I can look to see if I still have it around if you like, it could easlily be changed to read an SDSF output file if that's what's needed. Dana On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:38:11 +, Brenton, Ren ren.bren...@bkfs.com wrote: Back in 2000, someone, (Kriss Davis ), posed this question, (same subject as above), but at that time there was no answer. I was wondering, in the 15 years that have passed, if IBM has developed a solution, or perhaps someone has written a REXX to accomplish. Here is the original post: Kriss Davis wrote: snip I have been through the SDSF manuals on the web, and just don't see a parameter or option to set to allow the carriage control characters to be emulated in the display. /snip I have a user that would like to see a true print image, based on carriage control. That is: double, or triple spaced, and padded out to 66 lines, (or whatever), with the cc info, (column 1), not displayed. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
SDSF and Carriage Control
Back in 2000, someone, (Kriss Davis ), posed this question, (same subject as above), but at that time there was no answer. I was wondering, in the 15 years that have passed, if IBM has developed a solution, or perhaps someone has written a REXX to accomplish. Here is the original post: Kriss Davis wrote: snip I have been through the SDSF manuals on the web, and just don't see a parameter or option to set to allow the carriage control characters to be emulated in the display. /snip I have a user that would like to see a true print image, based on carriage control. That is: double, or triple spaced, and padded out to 66 lines, (or whatever), with the cc info, (column 1), not displayed. I don't recall any command in ISPF (or SDSF), that will accommodate such actions. Any thoughts? TIA, Ren Brenton MSP Optimization Black Knight Financial Services 601 Riverside Ave., Jacksonville, FL 32204 __ O: 904.357.1448 | M: 404.438.3868 | F: 904.357.1807 ren.bren...@bkfs.commailto:ren.bren...@bkfs.com || www.BKFS.comhttp://www.bkfs.com/ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
I wrote a rexx once years ago to format and display a sequential file respecting carriage controls. At the time it was to make the memo to users from a CBPDO a little more readable. But as much as that document used '+' to suppress spacing for bold and underlining, I couldn't make get it to come out looking ok since obviously you can't simulate overstrike on a display. I can look to see if I still have it around if you like, it could easlily be changed to read an SDSF output file if that's what's needed. Dana On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:38:11 +, Brenton, Ren ren.bren...@bkfs.com wrote: Back in 2000, someone, (Kriss Davis ), posed this question, (same subject as above), but at that time there was no answer. I was wondering, in the 15 years that have passed, if IBM has developed a solution, or perhaps someone has written a REXX to accomplish. Here is the original post: Kriss Davis wrote: snip I have been through the SDSF manuals on the web, and just don't see a parameter or option to set to allow the carriage control characters to be emulated in the display. /snip I have a user that would like to see a true print image, based on carriage control. That is: double, or triple spaced, and padded out to 66 lines, (or whatever), with the cc info, (column 1), not displayed. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
On 2015-08-11 14:13, Dana Mitchell wrote: I wrote a rexx once years ago to format and display a sequential file respecting carriage controls. At the time it was to make the memo to users from a CBPDO a little more readable. But as much as that document used '+' to suppress spacing for bold and underlining, I couldn't make get it to come out looking ok since obviously you can't simulate overstrike on a display. I can look to see if I still have it around if you like, it could easlily be changed to read an SDSF output file if that's what's needed. Ah! Here it is!: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.bpxa500/asacc.htm z/OS 2.1.0z/OS UNIX System Servicesz/OS UNIX System Services Command ReferenceShell command descriptionsasa - Interpret ASA/FORTRAN carriage control -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SDSF and Carriage Control
Would be nice. If you open an RFE I will vote for it! https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:38:11 + From: ren.bren...@bkfs.com Subject: SDSF and Carriage Control To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Back in 2000, someone, (Kriss Davis ), posed this question, (same subject as above), but at that time there was no answer. I was wondering, in the 15 years that have passed, if IBM has developed a solution, or perhaps someone has written a REXX to accomplish. Here is the original post: Kriss Davis wrote: snip I have been through the SDSF manuals on the web, and just don't see a parameter or option to set to allow the carriage control characters to be emulated in the display. /snip I have a user that would like to see a true print image, based on carriage control. That is: double, or triple spaced, and padded out to 66 lines, (or whatever), with the cc info, (column 1), not displayed. I don't recall any command in ISPF (or SDSF), that will accommodate such actions. Any thoughts? TIA, Ren Brenton MSP Optimization Black Knight Financial Services 601 Riverside Ave., Jacksonville, FL 32204 __ O: 904.357.1448 | M: 404.438.3868 | F: 904.357.1807 ren.bren...@bkfs.commailto:ren.bren...@bkfs.com || www.BKFS.comhttp://www.bkfs.com/ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
