Different data from CCW DATA READ as guest or native.

2011-03-08 Thread Tom Huegel
I see this descrepency between TPF native and TPF as a z/VM guest.
Has anyone else seen this behavior?
Is there any explaination? I have searched high and low, but can't find an
answer.

TPF as z/VM guest:


ztest ccws 4000 64

CSMP0097I 10.24.33 CPU-A SS-BSS  SSU-BSS  IS-01

CCWS0001I 10.24.33 DISPLAY OF CCW DATA READ FROM  4000

64 READ DEVICE CHARACTERISTICS

3990E933 900CDA00 FEF62032 16A8000F  -à E9

E000E5A2 05940222 13090674 

  32321502 DFEE0001

06770803 007F4A00 1B35 

END OF CCWS DISPLAY+





TPF Native LPAR:



ztest ccws 4000 64

CSMP0097I 10.24.48 CPU-A SS-BSS  SSU-BSS  IS-01

CCWS0001I 10.24.48 DISPLAY OF CCW DATA READ FROM  4000

64 READ DEVICE CHARACTERISTICS

3990EC33 900CD800 F0F62032 16A8000F   -à EC

E000E5A2 05940222 13090674 

  32320602 DFEE0001

06770803 007F4A00 1B35 

END OF CCWS DISPLAY+


Re: Different data from CCW DATA READ as guest or native.

2011-03-08 Thread Shumate, Scott
I'm new to the z/VM arena.  I need a good place to start.  I'm trying to
send a file from z/VM via RSCS to z/OS JES spool.  Can someone point me
to a good starting place?  I do have an RSCS connection between z/VM 
z/OS.  When you display it, it shows active.
 

Thanks 
Scott 



Re: Different data from CCW DATA READ as guest or native.

2011-03-08 Thread Davis, Larry (National VM/VSE Capability)
It should show Connect rather than Active
You have started the connection on the VM side, make sure the corresponding CTC 
on the MVS side is defined to MVS as BCTC if using ESCON and then start the MVS 
Line
Also make sure that the RSCS definition for the JES NODE name matches and the 
buffer is the same side on both sides.

Larry Davis

From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Shumate, Scott
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:53 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Different data from CCW DATA READ as guest or native.

I'm new to the z/VM arena.  I need a good place to start.  I'm trying to send a 
file from z/VM via RSCS to z/OS JES spool.  Can someone point me to a good 
starting place?  I do have an RSCS connection between z/VM  z/OS.  When you 
display it, it shows active.


Thanks
Scott


NOT RSCS QUESTION..Different data from CCW DATA READ as guest or native.

2011-03-08 Thread Tom Huegel
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From: Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:48 AM
Subject: Different data from CCW DATA READ as guest or native.
To: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu


I see this descrepency between TPF native and TPF as a z/VM guest.
Has anyone else seen this behavior?
Is there any explaination? I have searched high and low, but can't find an
answer.

TPF as z/VM guest:


ztest ccws 4000 64

CSMP0097I 10.24.33 CPU-A SS-BSS  SSU-BSS  IS-01

CCWS0001I 10.24.33 DISPLAY OF CCW DATA READ FROM  4000

64 READ DEVICE CHARACTERISTICS

3990E933 900CDA00 FEF62032 16A8000F  -à E9

E000E5A2 05940222 13090674 

  32321502 DFEE0001

06770803 007F4A00 1B35 

END OF CCWS DISPLAY+





TPF Native LPAR:



ztest ccws 4000 64

CSMP0097I 10.24.48 CPU-A SS-BSS  SSU-BSS  IS-01

CCWS0001I 10.24.48 DISPLAY OF CCW DATA READ FROM  4000

64 READ DEVICE CHARACTERISTICS

3990EC33 900CD800 F0F62032 16A8000F   -à EC

E000E5A2 05940222 13090674 

  32320602 DFEE0001

06770803 007F4A00 1B35 

END OF CCWS DISPLAY+


Re: Different data from CCW DATA READ as guest or native.

2011-03-08 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 03/08/2011 at 11:50 EST, Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 I see this descrepency between TPF native and TPF as a z/VM guest.
 Has anyone else seen this behavior?
 Is there any explaination? I have searched high and low, but can't find 
an 
 answer. 
 
 TPF as z/VM guest: 
 3990E933 900CDA00 FEF62032 16A8000F   

 TPF Native LPAR:
 3990EC33 900CD800 F0F62032 16A8000F 

What you are seeing is z/VM's simulation of a 3990 control unit mode when
(1) A 2105 or 2107 storage controller is being used, and
(2) The guest OS has not indicated that it understands 2105 or 2107 CU 
mode.

Under those conditions, CP will simulate a 3990 in enhanced operation 
mode.  It's the same thing the 2105/2107 does.  I think the only 
difference is the length of path status on a PERFORM SUBSYSTEM FUNCTION: 
READ SUBSYSTEM DATA operation, the output of which is irrelevant to 
2105/2107s anyway.

Is this an academic question as a result of late-night studying of 
responses to CCWs? Or is there an issue?  :-)

Alan Altmark

z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training 
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices 
office: 607.429.3323
mobile; 607.321.7556
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
IBM Endicott


Re: Different data from CCW DATA READ as guest or native.

2011-03-08 Thread Tom Huegel
Thanks Alan,

It is an issue -when tpf sees an 3990EC – is sees the volume as a
control unit that supports TPF record cache.  When it sees the volume as
3990E9, TPF marks the control unit as not supporting record cache and
several tpf functions are then not available.



Tom



On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.comwrote:

 On Tuesday, 03/08/2011 at 11:50 EST, Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I see this descrepency between TPF native and TPF as a z/VM guest.
  Has anyone else seen this behavior?
  Is there any explaination? I have searched high and low, but can't find
 an
  answer.
 
  TPF as z/VM guest:
  3990E933 900CDA00 FEF62032 16A8000F

  TPF Native LPAR:
  3990EC33 900CD800 F0F62032 16A8000F

 What you are seeing is z/VM's simulation of a 3990 control unit mode when
 (1) A 2105 or 2107 storage controller is being used, and
 (2) The guest OS has not indicated that it understands 2105 or 2107 CU
 mode.

 Under those conditions, CP will simulate a 3990 in enhanced operation
 mode.  It's the same thing the 2105/2107 does.  I think the only
 difference is the length of path status on a PERFORM SUBSYSTEM FUNCTION:
 READ SUBSYSTEM DATA operation, the output of which is irrelevant to
 2105/2107s anyway.

 Is this an academic question as a result of late-night studying of
 responses to CCWs? Or is there an issue?  :-)

 Alan Altmark

 z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant
 IBM System Lab Services and Training
 ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
 office: 607.429.3323
 mobile; 607.321.7556
 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
 IBM Endicott



Re: Different data from CCW DATA READ as guest or native.

2011-03-08 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 03/08/2011 at 02:42 EST, Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 It is an issue -when tpf sees an 3990EC ? is sees the volume as a 
control 
 unit that supports TPF record cache.  When it sees the volume as 
3990E9, 
 TPF marks the control unit as not supporting record cache and several 
tpf 
 functions are then not available.

Please contact the Support Center.  CP may need to be sensitive to the TPF 
Mode state before choosing the CU type.

Alan Altmark

z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training 
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices 
office: 607.429.3323
mobile; 607.321.7556
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
IBM Endicott