Re: Moderator comment Re: [IBMVM] z/VM/ Linux Systems Programmer Opportunity ...

[Brian Nielsen]

On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:13:36 -0500, Alan Ackerman 
 wrote:

>Am I the only one that reads this list at 
?



Nope.  It's the only way I read it.  I don't think I could stand all that
 
clutter in my Email.I like reading it when *I* want and on m
y 
own terms, thank-you very much.

Brian Nielsen

Re: Moderator comment Re: [IBMVM] z/VM/ Linux Systems Programmer Opportunity ...

[Schuh, Richard]

Are you trying to teach us old dogs new tricks? :-)

That is the only place to go to search the list.

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

> -Original Message-
> From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
> [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Ackerman
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:14 PM
> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
> Subject: Re: Moderator comment Re: [IBMVM] z/VM/ Linux 
> Systems Programmer Opportunity ...
> 
> If it violates UArk rules, shouldn't you take the post off 
> the archive? (= Yes, it is still here.) That would perhaps 
> discourage people from posting job openings here. 
> 
> Am I the only one that reads this list at 
> <http://listserv.uark.edu/archi= ves/ibmvm.html>?
> 
> Alan Ackerman
> alan (dot) ackerman (at) bank of america (dot) com
> 

Re: Moderator comment Re: [IBMVM] z/VM/ Linux Systems Programmer Opportunity ...

[Alan Ackerman]

If it violates UArk rules, shouldn't you take the post off the archive? (
Yes, it is still here.) That would 
perhaps discourage people from posting job openings here. 

Am I the only one that reads this list at ?

Alan Ackerman 
alan (dot) ackerman (at) bank of america (dot) com

Re: Moderator comment Re: [IBMVM] z/VM/ Linux Systems Programmer Opportunity ...

[Schuh, Richard]

And you need to bear in mind that the rules, silly or not, are probably 
mandated by state law in this case. Dan's suggestion about the automated FAQ 
sent to new subscribers is a good starting point, and Mike's reminder (or one 
like it) when there is an occasional breach of conduct is perfectly appropriate.

Has this thread run its course?

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

> -Original Message-
> From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
> [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of IBMVM Moderator
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:18 PM
> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
> Subject: Moderator comment Re: [IBMVM] z/VM/ Linux Systems 
> Programmer Opportunity ...
> 
> It's not just an issue of narrow-minded corporate management 
> on theoretical remote systems.  Please bear in mind that we 
> are hosted, for free, by a state-run, tax-supported 
> institution.  For better or ill, UARK has a long-standing 
> policy about not using their infrastructure for that type of 
> traffic.  It happens rarely enough that the occasional 
> "trivial, though potentially conspicuous" breach of protocol 
> hasn't caused us any grief.  I am, understandably, motivated 
> to ensure that it does not become a point of pain for our 
> gracious hosts.
> 
> I don't pretend to understand why the rules are there, nor do 
> I care to engage in debate on the topic.  It's UARK's 
> hardware, their network, and their rules.  Silly-seeming 
> policies at third-party organizations are my favorite kind of 
> problem:  Problems for other people.
> 
> Admittedly, this isn't necessarily clear at present to "drive-by" 
> subscribers like the individual who posted the announcement.  
> It's not feasible to put the list on full moderation.  I 
> don't have the bandwidth available to eyeball-inspect every 
> single post and bounce the rare exceptional case back to the sender.
> 
> However, here's what I *can* do:  Another list hosted by U. 
> Arkansas (SAG-L -- Software AG products discussion) has a 
> long-standing FAQ which includes policy statements regarding 
> this sort of posting.  I'm acquainted with the list owner, 
> and will obtain his permission to grab a copy of that FAQ as 
> a starting template -- and then I'll file off the serial 
> numbers, strip out the stuff that's specific to ADABAS / 
> NATURAL / etc, and adapt the rest for use on IBMVM.  While I 
> can't force anybody to actually *read* it, LISTSERV provides 
> a way to deliver an FAQ to all new subscribers.
> 
> Interested parties are welcome to send me suggestions for 
> VM-specific FAQ items - but please bear in mind that much of 
> the heavy lifting on this matter is already addressed via 
> http://www.vm.ibm.com, and it seems pointless to duplicate 
> the resources already available there.
> 
> -dan.
> 

Moderator comment Re: [IBMVM] z/VM/ Linux Systems Programmer Opportunity ...

[IBMVM Moderator]

It's not just an issue of narrow-minded corporate management on 
theoretical remote systems.  Please bear in mind that we are hosted, for 
free, by a state-run, tax-supported institution.  For better or ill, 
UARK has a long-standing policy about not using their infrastructure for 
that type of traffic.  It happens rarely enough that the occasional 
"trivial, though potentially conspicuous" breach of protocol hasn't 
caused us any grief.  I am, understandably, motivated to ensure that it 
does not become a point of pain for our gracious hosts.


I don't pretend to understand why the rules are there, nor do I care to 
engage in debate on the topic.  It's UARK's hardware, their network, and 
their rules.  Silly-seeming policies at third-party organizations are my 
favorite kind of problem:  Problems for other people.


Admittedly, this isn't necessarily clear at present to "drive-by" 
subscribers like the individual who posted the announcement.  It's not 
feasible to put the list on full moderation.  I don't have the bandwidth 
available to eyeball-inspect every single post and bounce the rare 
exceptional case back to the sender.


However, here's what I *can* do:  Another list hosted by U. Arkansas 
(SAG-L -- Software AG products discussion) has a long-standing FAQ which 
includes policy statements regarding this sort of posting.  I'm 
acquainted with the list owner, and will obtain his permission to grab a 
copy of that FAQ as a starting template -- and then I'll file off the 
serial numbers, strip out the stuff that's specific to ADABAS / NATURAL 
/ etc, and adapt the rest for use on IBMVM.  While I can't force anybody 
to actually *read* it, LISTSERV provides a way to deliver an FAQ to all 
new subscribers.


Interested parties are welcome to send me suggestions for VM-specific 
FAQ items - but please bear in mind that much of the heavy lifting on 
this matter is already addressed via http://www.vm.ibm.com, and it seems 
pointless to duplicate the resources already available there.


-dan.