OT: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box
Does anyone think that IBM and FLEX will resolve their issues? I know of a company getting ready to get rid of their 800(going to windoze boxes) and I was going to suggest the FLEX solution but with all the problems I can't do it. Thanks Mace -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammock Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:01 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box FLEX-ES version 7.0.7 does have the support necessary to install directly from a DVD (with no FTP session involvement) on a FLEX-ES system. I have a procedure available which will load the zVM 5 CP Nucleus and ramdisk into memory and initiate the install process. I have used this procedure to install zVM 5.2 on a zFrame system and I suspect it will work for 5.3, but of course I don't have a copy of that to try yet. So, any PWD customer with Version 7.0.7 of FLEX-ES can (probably) install zVM 5.3 directly from DVD. Note that this is a fairly small 'community' - It will only work for PWD customers (since 64 bit support is required for zVM 5 and that is only available to PWD users). - It will only work for Version 7.0.7 and relatively few PWD customers are on that release. Most PWD customers are on Ver 6. And, before you ask, FSI will/can not upgrade Ver 6 PWD users to Ver 7. If you are a PWD customer running FLEX-ES ver 7.0.7, send me an email and I'll send you the procedure for installing zVM from DVD. If you are a PWD customer running FLEX-ES ver 7.0.x (x being something less than '7') contact your reseller about getting a refresh to 7.0.7. Once you get that installed, contact me for the zVM DVD install procedure. Please.. (PLEASE!) don't ask for the procedure or to get your FLEX version upgrade unless you are really going to use it. Getting and installing the upgrade takes time and effort... Mike C. M. (Mike) Hammock Sr. Technical Support zFrame IBM zSeries Solutions (404) 643-3258 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] mine.net To Sent by: The IBM IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU z/VM Operating cc System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject ARK.EDU Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box 06/19/2007 01:18 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARK.EDU So, I presume we're going to want z/VM 5.3 on our Flex box when it's available. We *do* have a deskside 3480/3490 drive, so we can use that if we must. But it's slow and kind of cranky. I was wondering whether it ought to be possible, instead, to do a DVD install. As I understand it, on a real zSeries (do I mean System Z? I get confused) box, all that basically does is start an FTP server on the HMC and then allow the installing VM instance to FTP stuff over. The Flex box has (or can trivially have) an FTP server on it. It would be a whole lot less unpleasant to just mount the DVD (or copy the files off the DVD onto the Flex host) than it would to deal with real magtape. Is this likely to work? Adam __ This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
Re: OT: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box
No, I do not Macioce, Larry wrote: Does anyone think that IBM and FLEX will resolve their issues? I know of a company getting ready to get rid of their 800(going to windoze boxes) and I was going to suggest the FLEX solution but with all the problems I can't do it. Thanks Mace -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammock Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:01 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box FLEX-ES version 7.0.7 does have the support necessary to install directly from a DVD (with no FTP session involvement) on a FLEX-ES system. I have a procedure available which will load the zVM 5 CP Nucleus and ramdisk into memory and initiate the install process. I have used this procedure to install zVM 5.2 on a zFrame system and I suspect it will work for 5.3, but of course I don't have a copy of that to try yet. So, any PWD customer with Version 7.0.7 of FLEX-ES can (probably) install zVM 5.3 directly from DVD. Note that this is a fairly small 'community' - It will only work for PWD customers (since 64 bit support is required for zVM 5 and that is only available to PWD users). - It will only work for Version 7.0.7 and relatively few PWD customers are on that release. Most PWD customers are on Ver 6. And, before you ask, FSI will/can not upgrade Ver 6 PWD users to Ver 7. If you are a PWD customer running FLEX-ES ver 7.0.7, send me an email and I'll send you the procedure for installing zVM from DVD. If you are a PWD customer running FLEX-ES ver 7.0.x (x being something less than '7') contact your reseller about getting a refresh to 7.0.7. Once you get that installed, contact me for the zVM DVD install procedure. Please.. (PLEASE!) don't ask for the procedure or to get your FLEX version upgrade unless you are really going to use it. Getting and installing the upgrade takes time and effort... Mike C. M. (Mike) Hammock Sr. Technical Support zFrame IBM zSeries Solutions (404) 643-3258 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] mine.net To Sent by: The IBM IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU z/VM Operating cc System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject ARK.EDU Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box 06/19/2007 01:18 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARK.EDU So, I presume we're going to want z/VM 5.3 on our Flex box when it's available. We *do* have a deskside 3480/3490 drive, so we can use that if we must. But it's slow and kind of cranky. I was wondering whether it ought to be possible, instead, to do a DVD install. As I understand it, on a real zSeries (do I mean System Z? I get confused) box, all that basically does is start an FTP server on the HMC and then allow the installing VM instance to FTP stuff over. The Flex box has (or can trivially have) an FTP server on it. It would be a whole lot less unpleasant to just mount the DVD (or copy the files off the DVD onto the Flex host) than it would to deal with real magtape. Is this likely to work? Adam __ This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- DJ V/Soft
Re: OT: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box
Why and what do you (as in the VM community) feel the problem is? Thanks Mace -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:17 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box No, I do not Macioce, Larry wrote: Does anyone think that IBM and FLEX will resolve their issues? I know of a company getting ready to get rid of their 800(going to windoze boxes) and I was going to suggest the FLEX solution but with all the problems I can't do it. Thanks Mace -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammock Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:01 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box FLEX-ES version 7.0.7 does have the support necessary to install directly from a DVD (with no FTP session involvement) on a FLEX-ES system. I have a procedure available which will load the zVM 5 CP Nucleus and ramdisk into memory and initiate the install process. I have used this procedure to install zVM 5.2 on a zFrame system and I suspect it will work for 5.3, but of course I don't have a copy of that to try yet. So, any PWD customer with Version 7.0.7 of FLEX-ES can (probably) install zVM 5.3 directly from DVD. Note that this is a fairly small 'community' - It will only work for PWD customers (since 64 bit support is required for zVM 5 and that is only available to PWD users). - It will only work for Version 7.0.7 and relatively few PWD customers are on that release. Most PWD customers are on Ver 6. And, before you ask, FSI will/can not upgrade Ver 6 PWD users to Ver 7. If you are a PWD customer running FLEX-ES ver 7.0.7, send me an email and I'll send you the procedure for installing zVM from DVD. If you are a PWD customer running FLEX-ES ver 7.0.x (x being something less than '7') contact your reseller about getting a refresh to 7.0.7. Once you get that installed, contact me for the zVM DVD install procedure. Please.. (PLEASE!) don't ask for the procedure or to get your FLEX version upgrade unless you are really going to use it. Getting and installing the upgrade takes time and effort... Mike C. M. (Mike) Hammock Sr. Technical Support zFrame IBM zSeries Solutions (404) 643-3258 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] mine.net To Sent by: The IBM IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU z/VM Operating cc System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject ARK.EDU Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box 06/19/2007 01:18 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARK.EDU So, I presume we're going to want z/VM 5.3 on our Flex box when it's available. We *do* have a deskside 3480/3490 drive, so we can use that if we must. But it's slow and kind of cranky. I was wondering whether it ought to be possible, instead, to do a DVD install. As I understand it, on a real zSeries (do I mean System Z? I get confused) box, all that basically does is start an FTP server on the HMC and then allow the installing VM instance to FTP stuff over. The Flex box has (or can trivially have) an FTP server on it. It would be a whole lot less unpleasant to just mount the DVD (or copy the files off the DVD onto the Flex host) than it would to deal with real magtape. Is this likely to work? Adam __ This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- DJ V/Soft
Re: OT: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box
It is so obviously a benefit to both companies. A compromise is easy, neither has to give much. Therefore, it is unlikely to be resolved. But,if Fundamental would buy out IBM. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone think that IBM and FLEX will resolve their issues? I know of a company getting ready to get rid of their 800(going to windoze boxes) and I was going to suggest the FLEX solution but with all the problems I can't do it. Thanks Mace -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: OT: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box
Hi, Mace. I really don't know what the problem is, as IBM has not been very forthcoming, at least imho, to the PWD membership. There have been no new Flex-ES licenses granted since the end of last year, and sites are already seeing their Flex boxes die as the dongle thingie expires. The only recourse that IBM is offering at the moment is to purchase time on their Dallas development center site. Not a lot of folks are going for that, however. IBM *may* be trying to prepare the way clear to offer it's own small mainframe that is based on emulation. They already have released internally a z Series emulation tool (that is not Flex-ES and is not Hercules) that runs on both Intel and p Series boxes. This is pure speculation on my part, btw.. Or IBM *may* have just decided that the small PWD guys (the ISVs other than CA, BMC and maybe Neon) just aren't worth the bother and don't bring enough to the marketplace to justify IBM's continued support. In which case the small-ish zSeries ISV is simply SOL. Again, this is pure speculation on my part The longer this drags out with a resolution from IBM, the least satisfactory the outcome will be, I think. Macioce, Larry wrote: Why and what do you (as in the VM community) feel the problem is? Thanks Mace -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:17 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: OT: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box No, I do not Macioce, Larry wrote: Does anyone think that IBM and FLEX will resolve their issues? I know of a company getting ready to get rid of their 800(going to windoze boxes) and I was going to suggest the FLEX solution but with all the problems I can't do it. Thanks Mace -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammock Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:01 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box FLEX-ES version 7.0.7 does have the support necessary to install directly from a DVD (with no FTP session involvement) on a FLEX-ES system. I have a procedure available which will load the zVM 5 CP Nucleus and ramdisk into memory and initiate the install process. I have used this procedure to install zVM 5.2 on a zFrame system and I suspect it will work for 5.3, but of course I don't have a copy of that to try yet. So, any PWD customer with Version 7.0.7 of FLEX-ES can (probably) install zVM 5.3 directly from DVD. Note that this is a fairly small 'community' - It will only work for PWD customers (since 64 bit support is required for zVM 5 and that is only available to PWD users). - It will only work for Version 7.0.7 and relatively few PWD customers are on that release. Most PWD customers are on Ver 6. And, before you ask, FSI will/can not upgrade Ver 6 PWD users to Ver 7. If you are a PWD customer running FLEX-ES ver 7.0.7, send me an email and I'll send you the procedure for installing zVM from DVD. If you are a PWD customer running FLEX-ES ver 7.0.x (x being something less than '7') contact your reseller about getting a refresh to 7.0.7. Once you get that installed, contact me for the zVM DVD install procedure. Please.. (PLEASE!) don't ask for the procedure or to get your FLEX version upgrade unless you are really going to use it. Getting and installing the upgrade takes time and effort... Mike C. M. (Mike) Hammock Sr. Technical Support zFrame IBM zSeries Solutions (404) 643-3258 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] mine.net To Sent by: The IBM IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU z/VM Operating cc System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject ARK.EDU Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box 06/19/2007 01:18 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARK.EDU So, I presume we're going to want z/VM 5.3 on our Flex box when it's available. We *do* have a deskside 3480/3490 drive, so we can use that if we must. But it's slow and kind of cranky. I was wondering whether it ought to be possible, instead, to do a DVD install. As I understand it, on a real zSeries (do I mean System Z? I get confused) box, all that basically does is start an FTP server on the HMC and then allow the installing VM instance to FTP stuff over. The Flex box has (or can trivially have) an FTP server on it. It would be a whole lot less unpleasant to just mount the DVD (or copy the files off the DVD onto the Flex host) than it would to deal with real magtape. Is this likely to work? Adam __ This email may contain confidential and privileged
