Puzzle or what?
On zVM 5.3, I have in my CMS RDR Queue a file with 52535 records but when I peek it, I only see 46182. My defined storage is 256M and my effective Peek command is Peek 2345 (for * Why Can't I see the rest of the file? Thanks. Suleiman Shahin _ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009
Re: Puzzle or what?
My guess is that the 52535 number indicates the number of 80 byte records.. but when you go into XEDIT, you're seeing the number of records with CR/LF (variable length perhaps?) being honored. Scott On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Suleiman Shahin s_s_sha...@hotmail.comwrote: On zVM 5.3, I have in my CMS RDR Queue a file with 52535 records but when I peek it, I only see 46182. My defined storage is 256M and my effective Peek command is Peek 2345 (for * Why Can't I see the rest of the file? Thanks. Suleiman Shahin -- Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out.http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns%21503D1D86EBB2B53C%212285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009
Re: Puzzle or what?
Hello Suleiman Shahin, Your defaults are set to low. VM command DEFAULTS will show you what is set. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 ext 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Suleiman Shahin Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:27 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Puzzle or what? On zVM 5.3, I have in my CMS RDR Queue a file with 52535 records but when I peek it, I only see 46182. My defined storage is 256M and my effective Peek command is Peek 2345 (for * Why Can't I see the rest of the file? Thanks. Suleiman Shahin Windows Live(tm) Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-B log-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_03200 9
Re: Puzzle or what?
It does depend on what the format of the file is. A reader or punch accepts cards, that is 80 bytes per record (RDR also handles console prt files, but that's a deviation to the architecture, 80 should it be, no more no less. What if you want to punch a file wide file (SENDFILE uses a PUCNH file under the covers). - PUNCH WIDE FILE A -- refused, erromessage as result - DISK DUMP WIDE FILE -- OK, DISK DUMP will reformat wide file in 80 byte records only DISK LOAD knows how to reconstruct - SENDFILE (or better NETDATA SEND which is behind) will also reformat the wide file in 80 byte records, understood by CMS and TSO's RECEIVE command (or better the RECEIVE EXEC in CMS, which uses NETDATA) Naturally, also PIPE has methods to unravel spool files. And not too old copies of PEEK may use PIPE instead of NETDATA to unravel a RDR file. To see the raw spool data - CP¨CH RDR NOHOLD KEEP - PIPE READER FILE ! RAW DATA A And what you you get: an 81 byte wide file: the first column is a machine control character instructing your real the punch device what to do (produce a card or skip it). Summary - a PRT or console: the nbr of records in the spool matches what PEEK (FOR * will tell - other files; it depends 2009/3/17 Edward M Martin emar...@aultman.com: Hello Suleiman Shahin, Your defaults are set to low. VM command DEFAULTS will show you what is set. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 ext 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Suleiman Shahin Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:27 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Puzzle or what? On zVM 5.3, I have in my CMS RDR Queue a file with 52535 records but when I peek it, I only see 46182. My defined storage is 256M and my effective Peek command is Peek 2345 (for * Why Can't I see the rest of the file? Thanks. Suleiman Shahin Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out. -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: Puzzle or what?
And yet one more possibility: the file is in NetData format. NetData format is what SENDFILE creates, taking files with long records, breaking them into 80-byte records (including some control information at the start of each). When you PEEK the file in the reader, or RECEIVE it to disk, the NetData format is 'unraveled' into the same format as it was before being packed up by SENDFILE. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. Suleiman Shahin s_s_sha...@hotmail.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 03/17/2009 09:27 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Puzzle or what? On zVM 5.3, I have in my CMS RDR Queue a file with 52535 records but when I peek it, I only see 46182. My defined storage is 256M and my effective Peek command is Peek 2345 (for * Why Can't I see the rest of the file? Thanks. Suleiman Shahin Windows Live? Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Puzzle or what?
Sure, your defaults could be set to low as Ed suggested, but the default low where you would not see everything is like 200, so I don't think that is the problem. My guess is that Scott's note came close: But the format is NETDATA rather than CR/LF per se. If the file was sent in NETDATA format, then RDRLIST will of course show the number of 80 byte records punched to you, but the original lines in the file would have spanned some 80-byte records and been split from other 80-byte records and could be ANY number of original records when PEEKed. -- R; On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Suleiman Shahin s_s_sha...@hotmail.com wrote: On zVM 5.3, I have in my CMS RDR Queue a file with 52535 records but when I peek it, I only see 46182. My defined storage is 256M and my effective Peek command is Peek 2345 (for * Why Can't I see the rest of the file? Thanks. Suleiman Shahin Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out.
Re: Puzzle or what?
On the z/VM download page there is a very good package XBROWSE that does not use XEDIT or large amounts of storage to 'peek' at large files.. Many very nice features i.e. book marking the file you are browsing.. Take a look at it I think it is pretty good. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu]on Behalf Of Edward M Martin Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:31 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Puzzle or what? Hello Suleiman Shahin, Your defaults are set to low. VM command DEFAULTS will show you what is set. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 ext 40441 _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Suleiman Shahin Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:27 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Puzzle or what? On zVM 5.3, I have in my CMS RDR Queue a file with 52535 records but when I peek it, I only see 46182. My defined storage is 256M and my effective Peek command is Peek 2345 (for * Why Can't I see the rest of the file? Thanks. Suleiman Shahin _ Windows Live(tm) Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 it out.
Re: Puzzle or what?
On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 10:51 EDT, Richard Troth vmcow...@gmail.com wrote: My guess is that Scott's note came close: But the format is NETDATA rather than CR/LF per se. If the file was sent in NETDATA format, then RDRLIST will of course show the number of 80 byte records punched to you, but the original lines in the file would have spanned some 80-byte records and been split from other 80-byte records and could be ANY number of original records when PEEKed. Which is to say, if PEEK can't show you the entire formatted content of the spool file, you will get a message. If you aren't getting a message, Don't Worry - Be Happy: You're seeing everything there is to see. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Puzzle or what?
I have to accept Alan's statement! I played with the file a few ways! Receive receives the short file same as peek. The pipe from Kris loaded the count indicated, but mangled the file beyond recognition :(- Peek did not have any complaints only showed the record size was 89.. Thanks all! Suleiman Shahin Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:13:36 -0400 From: alan_altm...@us.ibm.com Subject: Re: Puzzle or what? To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Which is to say, if PEEK can't show you the entire formatted content of the spool file, you will get a message. If you aren't getting a message, Don't Worry - Be Happy: You're seeing everything there is to see. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott _ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009
Re: Puzzle or what?
You might want to look at SHOW. I find that nice for READER files as well as disk files. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:07 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Puzzle or what? On the z/VM download page there is a very good package XBROWSE that does not use XEDIT or large amounts of storage to 'peek' at large files.. Many very nice features i.e. book marking the file you are browsing.. Take a look at it I think it is pretty good. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu]on Behalf Of Edward M Martin Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:31 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Puzzle or what? Hello Suleiman Shahin, Your defaults are set to low. VM command DEFAULTS will show you what is set. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 ext 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Suleiman Shahin Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:27 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Puzzle or what? On zVM 5.3, I have in my CMS RDR Queue a file with 52535 records but when I peek it, I only see 46182. My defined storage is 256M and my effective Peek command is Peek 2345 (for * Why Can't I see the rest of the file? Thanks. Suleiman Shahin Windows Live(tm) Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-B log-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_03200 9
Re: Puzzle or what?
Apparently I wan't clear enough in my append My PIPE was meant to show how a RAW RDR file looks like. PIPE didn't mangle anything, it shows the mess created by SENDFILE, exactly as it sits in the VM spool. Not a complete mess, because PEEK, RECEIVE, NETDATA, ... know how to unmangle. If SENDFILE would not create that mess, it could never send file wider than 80 bytes in the spool. 2009/3/17 Suleiman Shahin s_s_sha...@hotmail.com: I have to accept Alan's statement! I played with the file a few ways! Receive receives the short file same as peek. The pipe from Kris loaded the count indicated, but mangled the file beyond recognition :(- Peek did not have any complaints only showed the record size was 89.. Thanks all! Suleiman Shahin Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:13:36 -0400 From: alan_altm...@us.ibm.com Subject: Re: Puzzle or what? To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Which is to say, if PEEK can't show you the entire formatted content of the spool file, you will get a message. If you aren't getting a message, Don't Worry - Be Happy: You're seeing everything there is to see. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out. -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: Puzzle or what?
I'm not sure how the file originated, but I think this explanation makes sense. I had no limit on number of records peeked. (Peek (for *) Thanks every one. Suleiman Shahin Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:46:30 -0500 From: mike.wal...@hewitt.com Subject: Re: Puzzle or what? To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU And yet one more possibility: the file is in NetData format. _ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009
