Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
'Twas very helpful of the article to bring these point out, as well as the actual percentages of watts and BTUs related to mainframe gear and non-mainframe gear including trend analysis. Say, you don't suppose those data centers were were designed to house all that Internetwork stuff, do you? Thank God the article made all these facts obvious for any possible readers not so familiar with IT at that scale. Hmmm... I wonder if any corporate jets are buried in the "mainframe" budget... Naw, this operation could not likely get away with something like that for very long at all. On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Rob van der Heij wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:07 AM, David Boyes wrote: > >> Its interesting that the z10s that actually hold the SSA data are the least >> demanding on that front of any of the systems in that facility. > > .. even when data center planners charge double for it because of the > dual power feeds... ;-) >
Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:07 AM, David Boyes wrote: > Its interesting that the z10s that actually hold the SSA data are the least > demanding on that front of any of the systems in that facility. .. even when data center planners charge double for it because of the dual power feeds... ;-)
Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
Knowing a fair amount about that facility, the infrastructure issues are quite real, particularly the cooling issues during the summer. There were several incidents last summer when a fair number of the discrete and blade chassis went into thermal shutdown due to heat zones exceeding 95-110 degrees. Its interesting that the z10s that actually hold the SSA data are the least demanding on that front of any of the systems in that facility. I'd also wonder whether anyone at CA has visited them and showed the their VSAM to DB2 adapter widget. Would definitely make sombody's sales quota value much happier.
Re: Moderator comment, Re: [IBMVM] "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
Let me gently nudge you away from apologizing for the USA and rambling on - moderator or not. It's enough to say this forum is for technical discussions - not politics, religion, sports, or other interests. The SSA discussion is certainly way off topic, but I think you just went off on your own rant. IMHO. Let's just forgive, forget and move on.. Scott Rohling On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:59 PM, IBMVM Moderator wrote: > "And now, a word from our moderator..." > > Ladies, Gentlemen, dearest colleagues: > > Allow me, if I may, to offer a gentle nudge back toward the stated topic of > the list. > > Many of our fellow travelers on this list are - as hard as this may be for > some of the audience to believe - citizens of nations other than the USA. > Like many of you who are US citizens, I have my own well-reasoned, > insightful, passionate opinions regarding the energetic hi-jinks displayed > by the entirety of our duly elected government. > > That being said, I must beg all of you to please bear in mind the > following: > >- This forum is intended to serve as a vessel for all things related to > z/VM. Should the US SSA choose to implement solutions to their IT > infrastructure problems which leverage this technology, I am certain that > many of us will be positively giddy with joy. > >- This is not an appropriate forum for the airing one's political > opinions. To do otherwise is to abuse the hospitality of our gracious host, > The University of Arkansas. > >- With respect to our colleagues who are not resident in the USA, may I > suggest that discussions of US political theater in this forum are, at > worst, vulgar displays of family drama in front of guests. At best, this > behavior is comparable to holding our innocent and hitherto-unsuspecting > companions hostage in a small enclosed space while airing your (no doubt > well-founded) opinions regarding the intellectual superiority of one's > grandchildren, the intimate personal details of recent medical care > experiences, or the ethical / moral shortcomings of the new neighbors. > > Although the hapless targets of these epiphanies may bear this rudeness > with apparent good grace, I am compelled to speculate that they are > vigorously scrambling about the interior of their own minds, desperately > laboring to choose which of their own limbs they could best discreetly gnaw > off in order to effect an escape from further conversation. > > In brief: Kindly stick to the nuts and bolts of the technical issue > presented for discussion. Pithy witticisms regarding the surrounding > political infrastructure are not germane, and thus would be better directed > to practically any venue other than this one. Your extreme cleverness is > already obvious by simple virtue of your presence on the list, and need not > be further displayed to the rest of the class. > > Your irascible yet lovable moderator, > > -dan. > > Daniel P. Martin -- IBMVM List Janitor > modera...@gizmoworks.com / dmar...@gizmoworks.com >
Moderator comment, Re: [IBMVM] "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
"And now, a word from our moderator..." Ladies, Gentlemen, dearest colleagues: Allow me, if I may, to offer a gentle nudge back toward the stated topic of the list. Many of our fellow travelers on this list are - as hard as this may be for some of the audience to believe - citizens of nations other than the USA. Like many of you who are US citizens, I have my own well-reasoned, insightful, passionate opinions regarding the energetic hi-jinks displayed by the entirety of our duly elected government. That being said, I must beg all of you to please bear in mind the following: - This forum is intended to serve as a vessel for all things related to z/VM. Should the US SSA choose to implement solutions to their IT infrastructure problems which leverage this technology, I am certain that many of us will be positively giddy with joy. - This is not an appropriate forum for the airing one's political opinions. To do otherwise is to abuse the hospitality of our gracious host, The University of Arkansas. - With respect to our colleagues who are not resident in the USA, may I suggest that discussions of US political theater in this forum are, at worst, vulgar displays of family drama in front of guests. At best, this behavior is comparable to holding our innocent and hitherto-unsuspecting companions hostage in a small enclosed space while airing your (no doubt well-founded) opinions regarding the intellectual superiority of one's grandchildren, the intimate personal details of recent medical care experiences, or the ethical / moral shortcomings of the new neighbors. Although the hapless targets of these epiphanies may bear this rudeness with apparent good grace, I am compelled to speculate that they are vigorously scrambling about the interior of their own minds, desperately laboring to choose which of their own limbs they could best discreetly gnaw off in order to effect an escape from further conversation. In brief: Kindly stick to the nuts and bolts of the technical issue presented for discussion. Pithy witticisms regarding the surrounding political infrastructure are not germane, and thus would be better directed to practically any venue other than this one. Your extreme cleverness is already obvious by simple virtue of your presence on the list, and need not be further displayed to the rest of the class. Your irascible yet lovable moderator, -dan. Daniel P. Martin -- IBMVM List Janitor modera...@gizmoworks.com / dmar...@gizmoworks.com
Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Tom Huegel wrote: > The solution is to eliminate the SSA altogether.. Okay, but don't forget to maintain the records associated with statutes of limitations as long as necessary.
Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
I like to monitor the brainwashing the less IT-sophisticated endure, as it helps me understand what they are thinking better. I knew it was a random ad--I was just noting the coincidence. One could imagine the author had some terrific motivation for composing the article as he did. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Les Koehler wrote: > Ah, the beauty of Firefox and AdBlockerPlus! > > Les > > David L. Craig wrote: >> >> A huge Microsoft ad obliterated the article for 10-15 seconds when I >> got there. That by itself was all I really needed to know. This is >> one of the most deceptive, intentionally misdirecting pieces of >> "journalism" I have bothered to read in quite a while. If you do not >> conclude the mainframes must go and the CIO is an idiot, then you must >> know quite a bit about IT at that scale. IMHO, of course. >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Gabe Goldberg wrote: >>> >>> Quite a deep hole SSA's dug itself into. >>> >>> Interesting "According to a project plan released in August, the facility >>> will reach its maximum electrical distribution capacity within four >>> years", >>> given increased mainframe efficiency and higher storage densities. >>> >>> --- >>> >>> "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence" >>> >>> The agency's overburdened data center and decades-old software need to be >>> replaced, but a replacement facility won't be ready until 2016. >>> >>> By J. Nicholas Hoover InformationWeek >>> March 12, 2011 12:00 AM >>> >>> The Social Security Administration's primary data center is nearing the >>> end >>> of its usefulness--its electrical system is an accident waiting to >>> happen, >>> and decades-old software hampers the agency's ability to extend its >>> services >>> to the Web. Social Security has a plan to replace the overburdened >>> facility >>> with a modern data center, but that will be a five-year process with >>> challenges of its own. >>> >>> >>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/enterprise-architecture/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=229300595 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc.    >>> g...@gabegold.com >>> 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042      (703) >>> 204-0433 >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gabegold       Twitter: >>> GabeG0 >>> >> >
Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
I can see this thread going bad fast. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:56 PM, McKown, John wrote: > Hum, and the politicians just get to keep the money that I've been forced > to pay into it for the last 30 years? That would be "nice" for them. > > > *John McKown * > > *Systems Engineer IV* > > *IT* > > > > Administrative Services Group > > * * > > *HealthMarkets*® > > ** > > 9151 Boulevard 26 • N. Richland Hills • TX 76010 > > (817) 255-3225 phone • > > john.mck...@healthmarkets.com • www.HealthMarkets.com > > > > *Confidentiality Notice:* This e-mail message may contain confidential or > proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > message. HealthMarkets® is the brand name for products underwritten and > issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. –The Chesapeake > Life Insurance Company®, Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of > TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > > > -- > *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Huegel > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:53 PM > *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > *Subject:* Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence" > > The solution is to eliminate the SSA altogether.. > > > -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems
Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
Hum, and the politicians just get to keep the money that I've been forced to pay into it for the last 30 years? That would be "nice" for them. John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Huegel Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:53 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence" The solution is to eliminate the SSA altogether..
Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
The solution is to eliminate the SSA altogether.. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Mark Pace wrote: > I got a huge about IBM's Impact 2011. How does the ad have anything to do > with the content? > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:56 PM, David L. Craig wrote: > >> A huge Microsoft ad obliterated the article for 10-15 seconds when I >> got there. That by itself was all I really needed to know. This is >> one of the most deceptive, intentionally misdirecting pieces of >> "journalism" I have bothered to read in quite a while. If you do not >> conclude the mainframes must go and the CIO is an idiot, then you must >> know quite a bit about IT at that scale. IMHO, of course. >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Gabe Goldberg wrote: >> > Quite a deep hole SSA's dug itself into. >> > >> > Interesting "According to a project plan released in August, the >> facility >> > will reach its maximum electrical distribution capacity within four >> years", >> > given increased mainframe efficiency and higher storage densities. >> > >> > --- >> > >> > "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence" >> > >> > The agency's overburdened data center and decades-old software need to >> be >> > replaced, but a replacement facility won't be ready until 2016. >> > >> > By J. Nicholas Hoover InformationWeek >> > March 12, 2011 12:00 AM >> > >> > The Social Security Administration's primary data center is nearing the >> end >> > of its usefulness--its electrical system is an accident waiting to >> happen, >> > and decades-old software hampers the agency's ability to extend its >> services >> > to the Web. Social Security has a plan to replace the overburdened >> facility >> > with a modern data center, but that will be a five-year process with >> > challenges of its own. >> > >> > >> http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/enterprise-architecture/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=229300595 >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc. >> g...@gabegold.com >> > 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042 (703) >> 204-0433 >> > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gabegoldTwitter: >> GabeG0 >> > >> > > > > -- > Mark D Pace > Senior Systems Engineer > Mainline Information Systems > > > > >
Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
I got a huge about IBM's Impact 2011. How does the ad have anything to do with the content? On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:56 PM, David L. Craig wrote: > A huge Microsoft ad obliterated the article for 10-15 seconds when I > got there. That by itself was all I really needed to know. This is > one of the most deceptive, intentionally misdirecting pieces of > "journalism" I have bothered to read in quite a while. If you do not > conclude the mainframes must go and the CIO is an idiot, then you must > know quite a bit about IT at that scale. IMHO, of course. > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Gabe Goldberg wrote: > > Quite a deep hole SSA's dug itself into. > > > > Interesting "According to a project plan released in August, the facility > > will reach its maximum electrical distribution capacity within four > years", > > given increased mainframe efficiency and higher storage densities. > > > > --- > > > > "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence" > > > > The agency's overburdened data center and decades-old software need to be > > replaced, but a replacement facility won't be ready until 2016. > > > > By J. Nicholas Hoover InformationWeek > > March 12, 2011 12:00 AM > > > > The Social Security Administration's primary data center is nearing the > end > > of its usefulness--its electrical system is an accident waiting to > happen, > > and decades-old software hampers the agency's ability to extend its > services > > to the Web. Social Security has a plan to replace the overburdened > facility > > with a modern data center, but that will be a five-year process with > > challenges of its own. > > > > > http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/enterprise-architecture/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=229300595 > > > > > > -- > > Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc. g...@gabegold.com > > 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042 (703) 204-0433 > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gabegoldTwitter: GabeG0 > > > -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems
Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
Ah, the beauty of Firefox and AdBlockerPlus! Les David L. Craig wrote: A huge Microsoft ad obliterated the article for 10-15 seconds when I got there. That by itself was all I really needed to know. This is one of the most deceptive, intentionally misdirecting pieces of "journalism" I have bothered to read in quite a while. If you do not conclude the mainframes must go and the CIO is an idiot, then you must know quite a bit about IT at that scale. IMHO, of course. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Gabe Goldberg wrote: Quite a deep hole SSA's dug itself into. Interesting "According to a project plan released in August, the facility will reach its maximum electrical distribution capacity within four years", given increased mainframe efficiency and higher storage densities. --- "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence" The agency's overburdened data center and decades-old software need to be replaced, but a replacement facility won't be ready until 2016. By J. Nicholas Hoover InformationWeek March 12, 2011 12:00 AM The Social Security Administration's primary data center is nearing the end of its usefulness--its electrical system is an accident waiting to happen, and decades-old software hampers the agency's ability to extend its services to the Web. Social Security has a plan to replace the overburdened facility with a modern data center, but that will be a five-year process with challenges of its own. http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/enterprise-architecture/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=229300595 -- Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc.    g...@gabegold.com 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042      (703) 204-0433 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gabegold       Twitter: GabeG0
Re: "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
A huge Microsoft ad obliterated the article for 10-15 seconds when I got there. That by itself was all I really needed to know. This is one of the most deceptive, intentionally misdirecting pieces of "journalism" I have bothered to read in quite a while. If you do not conclude the mainframes must go and the CIO is an idiot, then you must know quite a bit about IT at that scale. IMHO, of course. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Gabe Goldberg wrote: > Quite a deep hole SSA's dug itself into. > > Interesting "According to a project plan released in August, the facility > will reach its maximum electrical distribution capacity within four years", > given increased mainframe efficiency and higher storage densities. > > --- > > "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence" > > The agency's overburdened data center and decades-old software need to be > replaced, but a replacement facility won't be ready until 2016. > > By J. Nicholas Hoover InformationWeek > March 12, 2011 12:00 AM > > The Social Security Administration's primary data center is nearing the end > of its usefulness--its electrical system is an accident waiting to happen, > and decades-old software hampers the agency's ability to extend its services > to the Web. Social Security has a plan to replace the overburdened facility > with a modern data center, but that will be a five-year process with > challenges of its own. > > http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/enterprise-architecture/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=229300595 > > > -- > Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc. g...@gabegold.com > 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042 (703) 204-0433 > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gabegold Twitter: GabeG0 >
"Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence"
Quite a deep hole SSA's dug itself into. Interesting "According to a project plan released in August, the facility will reach its maximum electrical distribution capacity within four years", given increased mainframe efficiency and higher storage densities. --- "Social Security Confronts IT Obsolescence" The agency's overburdened data center and decades-old software need to be replaced, but a replacement facility won't be ready until 2016. By J. Nicholas Hoover InformationWeek March 12, 2011 12:00 AM The Social Security Administration's primary data center is nearing the end of its usefulness--its electrical system is an accident waiting to happen, and decades-old software hampers the agency's ability to extend its services to the Web. Social Security has a plan to replace the overburdened facility with a modern data center, but that will be a five-year process with challenges of its own. http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/enterprise-architecture/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=229300595 -- Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc. g...@gabegold.com 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042 (703) 204-0433 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gabegoldTwitter: GabeG0
