Tapeless segment tranfser between LPARs?

2011-04-21 Thread Daniel Bewley
As part of introducing red hat 6 to our environment, my shop has been
creating NSSes and DCSSes for boot and application loading.  Now we are
ready to move the segments into our  non-production LPARs.

Previously for z/VM-oriented segment backup and movement, we had used Chris
Langford's SFBLOK utility without incident, but the version we have does not
seem to be able to handle these (and every link I have seen to check up on
it is dead).  Which leads to my question...

Is there another freely available utility out there for moving segments from
spool to minidisk and back again?  Or is there some combination of CP
commands to retrieve and load non-CP/CMS data into a segment?

Thanks,
Daniel Bewley


Re: Tapeless segment tranfser between LPARs?

2011-04-21 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Daniel Bewley daniel.bew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there another freely available utility out there for moving segments from
 spool to minidisk and back again?  Or is there some combination of CP
 commands to retrieve and load non-CP/CMS data into a segment?

There's DCSSBKUP and DCSSRSAV on the MAINT 193 disk...

Rob


Re: Tapeless segment tranfser between LPARs?

2011-04-21 Thread Schuh, Richard
But that only works for DCSSs, not NSSs. 

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

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 On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Daniel Bewley 
 daniel.bew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Is there another freely available utility out there for moving 
  segments from spool to minidisk and back again?  Or is there some 
  combination of CP commands to retrieve and load non-CP/CMS 
 data into a segment?
 
 There's DCSSBKUP and DCSSRSAV on the MAINT 193 disk...
 
 Rob
 

Re: Tapeless segment tranfser between LPARs?

2011-04-21 Thread Jim Bohnsack
Also, if I remember correctly from trying them a few years ago, the 
original date of the segment is not saved as it is in SPXTAPE.  That 
plus as Richard says below, they only work for DCSSs.


Jim Bohnsack

On 4/21/2011 11:28 AM, Schuh, Richard wrote:

But that only works for DCSSs, not NSSs.=20

Regards,=20
Richard Schuh=20

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There's DCSSBKUP and DCSSRSAV on the MAINT 193 disk...
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Rob
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Re: Tapeless segment tranfser between LPARs?

2011-04-21 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Daniel.

The SFBLOK utility is now being offered as a supported, commercial
product, VM/Back-Spool, by ITC, for a very reasonable price, imho.

http://p390.com/products.htm

DJ

On 04/21/2011 09:53 AM, Daniel Bewley wrote:
 As part of introducing red hat 6 to our environment, my shop has been
 creating NSSes and DCSSes for boot and application loading.  Now we are
 ready to move the segments into our  non-production LPARs.
 
 Previously for z/VM-oriented segment backup and movement, we had used
 Chris Langford's SFBLOK utility without incident, but the version we
 have does not seem to be able to handle these (and every link I have
 seen to check up on it is dead).  Which leads to my question...
 
 Is there another freely available utility out there for moving segments
 from spool to minidisk and back again?  Or is there some combination of
 CP commands to retrieve and load non-CP/CMS data into a segment?
 
 Thanks,
 Daniel Bewley

-- 
Dave Jones
V/Soft Software
www.vsoft-software.com
Houston, TX
281.578.7544


Re: Tapeless segment tranfser between LPARs?

2011-04-21 Thread Bruce Hayden
And, only for segments that are addressable by CMS.  This means no
above the line (where the line is 2 GB) segments.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com wrote:
 But that only works for DCSSs, not NSSs.

 Regards,
 Richard Schuh



 -Original Message-
 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
 [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij
 Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:59 AM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: Re: Tapeless segment tranfser between LPARs?

 On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Daniel Bewley
 daniel.bew...@gmail.com wrote:

  Is there another freely available utility out there for moving
  segments from spool to minidisk and back again?  Or is there some
  combination of CP commands to retrieve and load non-CP/CMS
 data into a segment?

 There's DCSSBKUP and DCSSRSAV on the MAINT 193 disk...

 Rob




-- 
Bruce Hayden
z/VM and Linux on System z ATS
IBM, Endicott, NY


Re: Tapeless segment tranfser between LPARs?

2011-04-21 Thread David Boyes
There's also adding your support to the outstanding requirement for SPXTAPE to 
support disk transfer (or better yet, a PIPE-friendly input/output stream so we 
can connect it with anything we want). Your local IBMer can get your 
organization on the list as supporting the requirement. Doesn't mean that IBM 
will get around to it any time soon, but at least it might up the priority a 
bit. 

 There's DCSSBKUP and DCSSRSAV on the MAINT 193 disk...
 
 Rob


Re: Tapeless segment tranfser between LPARs?

2011-04-21 Thread David Boyes
Speaking of which, IBM: 

Any progress on getting the PIPE-friendly DDR shipped as the default DDR? That 
would be *WAY* cool for 6.2

-- db


 -Original Message-
 From: David Boyes
 Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:43 PM
 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 Subject: RE: Tapeless segment tranfser between LPARs?
 
 There's also adding your support to the outstanding requirement for
 SPXTAPE to support disk transfer (or better yet, a PIPE-friendly
 input/output stream so we can connect it with anything we want). Your
 local IBMer can get your organization on the list as supporting the
 requirement. Doesn't mean that IBM will get around to it any time soon,
 but at least it might up the priority a bit.
 
  There's DCSSBKUP and DCSSRSAV on the MAINT 193 disk...
 
  Rob