Re: z/VM 5.4 Workloads

[Rob van der Heij]

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Lionel B. Dyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Moving selected Linux, Windows(R), and UNIX(R) workloads to a single System z

Those words... :-)   Just like in IBM the "preferred" in "preferred
e-address" does not have anything to do with what you prefer, the
"selected" is not what *you* select but what IBM selects to run.
If I were IBM, I would select the workload of an idle server, for
starters...  ;-)

Rob

Re: z/VM 5.4 Workloads

[McKown, John]

Our previous management wanted "Windows only" also. They even had a
hardware and software group lined up to convert all the z/OS systems to
equivalent Windows systems (some sort of automated process). Luckily for
us, MF Tech Services was allowed to ask questions (in writing). They had
few answers. (Q: How to debug a failure after the fact? A: recompile the
application with debugging turned on, then single step until the error
occurs again.)
 
Current management likes AIX (or so it seems). z/OS is still slated to
be "sun setted", but with no time frame. I try to pitch z/VM and z/Linux
(we do have some RH/Intel systems), but nobody seems to want to hear.
 

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I was lucky. We had a different management when I convinced them
to covert from OS/2 to  z/VM and Linux. At first, there was one person
who wanted the conversion to be windoze based , but we converted him.

If it would have been the last management team it would be all
windoze with no hope, in fact there was talk of getting rid of the
mainframe

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Re: z/VM 5.4 Workloads

[Macioce, Larry]

I was lucky. We had a different management when I convinced them to
covert from OS/2 to  z/VM and Linux. At first, there was one person who
wanted the conversion to be windoze based , but we converted him.

If it would have been the last management team it would be all windoze
with no hope, in fact there was talk of getting rid of the mainframe

Mace



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I think IBM isn't pre-announcing Windows on z, it's just encouraging
customers to convert selected Windohs servers into Linux virtual servers
that provide the same services (email, etc)

 



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This is an interesting bullet in the announcement: 

Moving selected Linux, Windows(r), and UNIX(r) workloads to a single
System z server: Moving workloads while maintaining distinct server
images and current LAN topology can help reduce systems-management
complexity. By managing large server farms deployed on virtual servers
instead of using multiple hardware servers, the number of real hardware
servers and associated physical LANs may be reduced, which may lead to
cost savings. Deploying Linux workloads on z/VM V5.4 may be particularly
attractive if they interact with applications or data located on the
same System z server. 

Is IBM pre-announcing the ability to run Windows programs on System z? 

:-)



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Re: z/VM 5.4 Workloads

[Romanowski, John (OFT)]

I think IBM isn't pre-announcing Windows on z, it's just encouraging
customers to convert selected Windohs servers into Linux virtual servers
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This is an interesting bullet in the announcement: 

Moving selected Linux, Windows(r), and UNIX(r) workloads to a single
System z server: Moving workloads while maintaining distinct server
images and current LAN topology can help reduce systems-management
complexity. By managing large server farms deployed on virtual servers
instead of using multiple hardware servers, the number of real hardware
servers and associated physical LANs may be reduced, which may lead to
cost savings. Deploying Linux workloads on z/VM V5.4 may be particularly
attractive if they interact with applications or data located on the
same System z server. 

Is IBM pre-announcing the ability to run Windows programs on System z? 

:-)



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Re: z/VM 5.4 Workloads

[David Boyes]

Key word: selected. You've been able to do this for a while -- .Net
stuff with Mono, ASP stuff with various toolkits, etc. Nothing new here.


> > *Moving selected Linux, Windows(r), and UNIX(r) workloads to a
single
> > System z server

Re: z/VM 5.4 Workloads

[Mike Walter]

And found as well in the z/VM "General Information version 5 release 4 
(GC24-6095-08)" pointed to by Pam's post:
http://www.vm.ibm.com/pubs/hcsf8b31.pdf
last bullet, at the bottom of page 7.

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Gary M. Dennis wrote:
> Can someone point me to the source of the announcement excerpt below?
> --.  .-  .-.  -.--
> 
> Gary Dennis
> Mantissa Corporation
> 
> 
> On 8/5/08 11:51 AM, "Lionel B. Dyck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> This is an interesting bullet in the announcement:
> 
> *Moving selected Linux, Windows®, and UNIX® workloads to a single
> System z server:* Moving workloads while maintaining distinct server
> images and current LAN topology can help reduce systems-management
> complexity. By managing large server farms deployed on virtual
> servers instead of using multiple hardware servers, the number of
> real hardware servers and associated physical LANs may be reduced,
> which may lead to cost savings. Deploying Linux workloads on z/VM
> V5.4 may be particularly attractive if they interact with
> applications or data located on the same System z server.
> 
> Is IBM pre-announcing the ability to run Windows programs on System 
z?
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> *Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist
> *Enterprise Platform Services, Mainframe Engineering
> KP-IT Enterprise Engineering
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> We're here to make lives better."
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Re: z/VM 5.4 Workloads

[Mark Post]

>>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:51 PM, in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lionel B.
Dyck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
-snip-
> Is IBM pre-announcing the ability to run Windows programs on System z?
> 
> :-)

Smiley notwithstanding, of course not, just the workload they represent.  
Although if the folks from Mantissa succeed, it may well become possible.


Mark Post

Re: z/VM 5.4 Workloads

[Rich Smrcina]

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Gary M. Dennis wrote:

Can someone point me to the source of the announcement excerpt below?
--.  .-  .-.  -.--

Gary Dennis
Mantissa Corporation


On 8/5/08 11:51 AM, "Lionel B. Dyck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This is an interesting bullet in the announcement:

*Moving selected Linux, Windows®, and UNIX® workloads to a single
System z server:* Moving workloads while maintaining distinct server
images and current LAN topology can help reduce systems-management
complexity. By managing large server farms deployed on virtual
servers instead of using multiple hardware servers, the number of
real hardware servers and associated physical LANs may be reduced,
which may lead to cost savings. Deploying Linux workloads on z/VM
V5.4 may be particularly attractive if they interact with
applications or data located on the same System z server.

Is IBM pre-announcing the ability to run Windows programs on System z?

:-)


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KP-IT Enterprise Engineering
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Re: z/VM 5.4 Workloads

[Dave Jones]

Gary, it's here (and watch for line wraps):

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/index.wss?DocURL=http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/9/897/ENUS208-249/index.html&InfoType=AN&InfoSubType=CA&InfoDesc=Announcement+Letters&panelurl=index.wss%3F&paneltext=Announcement%20letter%20search

It's about 1/3 the way down the page.

Gary M. Dennis wrote:

Can someone point me to the source of the announcement excerpt below?
--.  .-  .-.  -.--

Gary Dennis
Mantissa Corporation


On 8/5/08 11:51 AM, "Lionel B. Dyck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This is an interesting bullet in the announcement:

Moving selected Linux, Windows®, and UNIX® workloads to a single System z
server: Moving workloads while maintaining distinct server images and current
LAN topology can help reduce systems-management complexity. By managing large
server farms deployed on virtual servers instead of using multiple hardware
servers, the number of real hardware servers and associated physical LANs may
be reduced, which may lead to cost savings. Deploying Linux workloads on z/VM
V5.4 may be particularly attractive if they interact with applications or data
located on the same System z server.

Is IBM pre-announcing the ability to run Windows programs on System z?

:-)


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Enterprise Platform Services, Mainframe Engineering
KP-IT Enterprise Engineering
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Re: z/VM 5.4 Workloads

[Gary M. Dennis]

Can someone point me to the source of the announcement excerpt below?
--.  .-  .-.  -.--

Gary Dennis
Mantissa Corporation


On 8/5/08 11:51 AM, "Lionel B. Dyck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> This is an interesting bullet in the announcement:
> 
> Moving selected Linux, Windows®, and UNIX® workloads to a single System z
> server: Moving workloads while maintaining distinct server images and current
> LAN topology can help reduce systems-management complexity. By managing large
> server farms deployed on virtual servers instead of using multiple hardware
> servers, the number of real hardware servers and associated physical LANs may
> be reduced, which may lead to cost savings. Deploying Linux workloads on z/VM
> V5.4 may be particularly attractive if they interact with applications or data
> located on the same System z server.
> 
> Is IBM pre-announcing the ability to run Windows programs on System z?
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist
> Enterprise Platform Services, Mainframe Engineering
> KP-IT Enterprise Engineering
> 925-926-5332 (8-473-5332) | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> AIM: lbdyck | Yahoo IM: lbdyck
> Kaiser Service Credo: "Our cause is health. Our passion is service. We're here
> to make lives better."
> 
> I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data.
> Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to
> suit facts. 
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Re: z/VM 5.4 Workloads

[Schuh, Richard]

All it takes is programming. As a friend used to say, "Given enough time
and bananas, anything is possible."
 

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

 




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This is an interesting bullet in the announcement: 

Moving selected Linux, Windows(r), and UNIX(r) workloads to a
single System z server: Moving workloads while maintaining distinct
server images and current LAN topology can help reduce
systems-management complexity. By managing large server farms deployed
on virtual servers instead of using multiple hardware servers, the
number of real hardware servers and associated physical LANs may be
reduced, which may lead to cost savings. Deploying Linux workloads on
z/VM V5.4 may be particularly attractive if they interact with
applications or data located on the same System z server. 

Is IBM pre-announcing the ability to run Windows programs on
System z? 

:-)





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z/VM 5.4 Workloads

[Lionel B. Dyck]

This is an interesting bullet in the announcement:

Moving selected Linux, Windows®, and UNIX® workloads to a single System z 
server: Moving workloads while maintaining distinct server images and 
current LAN topology can help reduce systems-management complexity. By 
managing large server farms deployed on virtual servers instead of using 
multiple hardware servers, the number of real hardware servers and 
associated physical LANs may be reduced, which may lead to cost savings. 
Deploying Linux workloads on z/VM V5.4 may be particularly attractive if 
they interact with applications or data located on the same System z 
server. 

Is IBM pre-announcing the ability to run Windows programs on System z?

:-)

Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist 
Enterprise Platform Services, Mainframe Engineering 
KP-IT Enterprise Engineering 
925-926-5332 (8-473-5332) | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
AIM: lbdyck | Yahoo IM: lbdyck 
Kaiser Service Credo: "Our cause is health. Our passion is service. We're 
here to make lives better." 

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