Re: z196 = z10?
AA powered? THAT's green. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z196 = z10? After Z comes AA. At least in most spreadsheet programs. And by that time, I'll need to be in AA! grin On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 18:28 -0700, Tom Huegel wrote: My problem is that after 'Z' then what? Had they started with 'A' the whole alphabet lies ahead. I think 'Z' came from a German accent. Zee man is walking.. - Please see the following link for the BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee E-mail disclaimer: http://www.bcbst.com/email_disclaimer.shtm
Re: z196 = z10?
My problem is that after 'Z' then what? Nothing - I vaguely recall this going back about 10 years: 'P' was for Power systems, 'X' was for Intel x86 architecture and 'Z' was for something to the effect of 'the ultimate system in reliability such that nothing can come after it'. Jim, can you clarify? And it's too bad the marketing guys didn't talk to the Linux development guys, because 's390z' would have been a much better architecture value than 's390x' :(( Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com (845) 433-7061
Re: z196 = z10?
As I recall, the 'z' in System z and znn hardware is from 'z'ero downtime. Mike Walter (Sent from the wee keyboard of a Blackberry.) - Original Message - From: Michael MacIsaac [mike...@us.ibm.com] Sent: 08/24/2010 08:19 AM AST To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z196 = z10? My problem is that after 'Z' then what? Nothing - I vaguely recall this going back about 10 years: 'P' was for Power systems, 'X' was for Intel x86 architecture and 'Z' was for something to the effect of 'the ultimate system in reliability such that nothing can come after it'. Jim, can you clarify? And it's too bad the marketing guys didn't talk to the Linux development guys, because 's390z' would have been a much better architecture value than 's390x' :(( Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com (845) 433-7061 The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: z196 = z10?
On Tuesday, 08/24/2010 at 08:20 EDT, Michael MacIsaac/Poughkeepsie/i...@ibmus wrote: And it's too bad the marketing guys didn't talk to the Linux development guys, because 's390z' would have been a much better architecture value than 's390x' :(( What's in a name? That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet. - William Shakespeare 'System z' is a brand, and all that implies. 's390x' is just the follow-on (eXtension) of the s390 Linux architecture. 'z' is just a letter in the alphabet. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: z196 = z10?
ergo names are just labels we assign to objects. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:50 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: z196 = z10? On Tuesday, 08/24/2010 at 08:20 EDT, Michael MacIsaac/Poughkeepsie/i...@ibmus wrote: And it's too bad the marketing guys didn't talk to the Linux development guys, because 's390z' would have been a much better architecture value than 's390x' :(( What's in a name? That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet. - William Shakespeare 'System z' is a brand, and all that implies. 's390x' is just the follow-on (eXtension) of the s390 Linux architecture. 'z' is just a letter in the alphabet. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: z196 = z10?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Jim Elliott jelli...@gdlvm7.vnet.ibm.com wrote: Close. The z stands for near-zero downtime. Shouldn't that by System 9, then? or System 0.01? :-) -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it
z196 = z10?
I was sort'a wondering why IBM marketing types came up with the z196 model number. I struggle to keep from calling it a z168 - the 370 model 168 has an illustrious past. It dawned on me today that it perhaps the internal model naming battle may have come down to a case of simple arithmetic: 1+9+6 = 16 and 16 = '10'x. So could that shiny new z196 be a z10 on steroids, looked at in a different way. ;-) And no, it could not name been called an x10 due to copyright use of X10, and confusion with IBM's own System x hardware, an IBM language called X10, and who knows how many other reasons. What...??? You never wanted a Monday to be Friday!!?? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: z196 = z10?
zEnterprise Generation *1*, *96* engines. On 08/23/2010 05:17 PM, Mike Walter wrote: I was sort'a wondering why IBM marketing types came up with the z196 model number. I struggle to keep from calling it a z168 - the 370 model 168 has an illustrious past. It dawned on me today that it perhaps the internal model naming battle may have come down to a case of simple arithmetic: 1+9+6 = 16 and 16 = '10'x. So could that shiny new z196 be a z10 on steroids, looked at in a different way. ;-) And no, it could not name been called an x10 due to copyright use of X10, and confusion with IBM's own System x hardware, an IBM language called X10, and who knows how many other reasons. What...??? You never wanted a Monday to be Friday!!?? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 - April 15-19, 2011 Colorado Springs, CO
Re: z196 = z10?
I wonder if we'll ever see a z2xxx anything. Maybe we'll see a z1128 ? IBM seems to stick with the naming conventions for about 2 boxes worth. Remember the z9-109? Marcy -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:26 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] z196 = z10? zEnterprise Generation *1*, *96* engines. On 08/23/2010 05:17 PM, Mike Walter wrote: I was sort'a wondering why IBM marketing types came up with the z196 model number. I struggle to keep from calling it a z168 - the 370 model 168 has an illustrious past. It dawned on me today that it perhaps the internal model naming battle may have come down to a case of simple arithmetic: 1+9+6 = 16 and 16 = '10'x. So could that shiny new z196 be a z10 on steroids, looked at in a different way. ;-) And no, it could not name been called an x10 due to copyright use of X10, and confusion with IBM's own System x hardware, an IBM language called X10, and who knows how many other reasons. What...??? You never wanted a Monday to be Friday!!?? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 - April 15-19, 2011 Colorado Springs, CO
Re: z196 = z10?
On 8/24/2010 1:53 AM, zMan wrote: Rich Smrcina wrote: zEnterprise Generation *1*, *96* engines. I know IBM says that, but I believe it about as much as I believe what SPOOL allegedly stands for. My guess is that after a long night of fighting, someone came up with it out of thin air and nobody hated it enough to argue. Yeah.. I was thinking of the line of NEWMACHM EXECA1 V * * * TOP OF FILE * * * /**/ do forever newname=random(1,1000) 'getmach' 'z'||newname if rc0 leave end 'send_pr' 'z'||newname 'the new and enhanced machine' say 'The new machine is a z'||newname||'. Enjoy' * * * END OF FILE * * * EXEC NEWMACHN The new machine is a z196. Enjoy Ready; --Ivan
Re: z196 = z10?
My problem is that after 'Z' then what? Had they started with 'A' the whole alphabet lies ahead. I think 'Z' came from a German accent. Zee man is walking.. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gmail.comwrote: We don't argue or fight -- we throw darts and flip coins.. :-) Scott Rohling On 8/24/2010 1:53 AM, zMan wrote: Rich Smrcina wrote: zEnterprise Generation *1*, *96* engines. I know IBM says that, but I believe it about as much as I believe what SPOOL allegedly stands for. My guess is that after a long night of fighting, someone came up with it out of thin air and nobody hated it enough to argue.
Re: z196 = z10?
After Z comes AA. At least in most spreadsheet programs. And by that time, I'll need to be in AA! grin On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 18:28 -0700, Tom Huegel wrote: My problem is that after 'Z' then what? Had they started with 'A' the whole alphabet lies ahead. I think 'Z' came from a German accent. Zee man is walking..
