[IceHorses] Flying Pace?
Here is a You Tube Video, I am thinking this is a great site. I will have to get some videos, they tell me my horses have been ripping all over the place, but of course they are standing like lawn ornaments when I arrive. http://tinyurl.com/y3ungb See if this works. At least I didn't choose the video where the guy had the kid on the horse with him, and a beer can in the other hand ( this is the southern version of the beer tolt:), ok maybe he really didn't have a beer in the other hand, but Ijust thought to myself, that's all that is missing, you'll have to find that one yourself). Now don't make fun, this guy might be my neighbor, or maybe Janice's. And yes, he is pulling awfully hard on those reins... I just thought we can see that maybe other gaited breeds are really pretty similar in gait to Icelandics. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] shoeing/Master Farrier?
--- Stephanie Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > North Carolina School of Horseshoeing and Equine Lameness.a > small > > school with no more than 12 students usually per week > Oh my... I'm sure Sally is one of the few good ones that the NC > School > of Horseshoeing and Quackery has turned out. > > Steph It is really one of the only farrier schools that lets you work on horses feet, and a lot of them...of course Sally is also a Doctor as well, she had a primary care practice in Seattle...so she takes her research to a whole new level when she is learning something. She came back from school and was able to trim and put shoes on our horses feet better than any other farrier or shoer who had come out to our barn.. Since school she has studied Pete Ramey, Jaime Jackson and NB trimming and shoeing... Of course again my Main point was about 'Master Farrier'...it is really about Forge work, almost all the tests are about forge work, making eggbar shoesetc etc Most of the schools focus on metal, and almost no time looking at real horses hooves And really most Farrier schools that we researched Sally was not interested in because of the focus on the metal, instead of the horseit takes a lot of practice and research to become competant. I will tell you a story... One time before Farrier school, we called our shoerhe came out with one farrier who graduated from a program in Montana and the other who graduated from a program in Oklahoma (Lets talk Quackery..and Steph I did not appreciate the comment BTW) Anywaythey each took a foot to trim and shoe...it took over 2.5 hoursthats the way they learned in schoolone foot at a timethey did not have enought time under a horse to do a set of shoes in an hour by themselvesit was truely sad...and they still expected paymentI figured my mare had stood for this nonsense for long enough...she started to fuss at 2 hoursthey started to get rough with her, and we had to stop themits the Wild Wild West out here I tell you. Storme Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
Re: [IceHorses] Need Wintec Wide and/or Extra Wide Gullet
On 1/14/07, Elva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They aren't that expensive are they? Have you asked Susan at Saddle Up > how much she sells them for? No, they're not horribly expensive, and I'd planned to get a set this month, but Runner decided to twist his shoe and half his hoof off Friday night. And, Friday night my BO decided he did *not* want his horses kept on the schedule he had agreed to, and the flat shoer we use for the three 'regular' horses won't come for *just* Runner, so I'm having to use the corrective farrier and my farrier bill just doubled. Oh well, such is life! I was hoping someone who had recently sold their Wintec still had the gullets they wanted to sell! Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] shoeing/Master Farrier?
On 1/14/07, Storme Lee~Fire Island Farms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > North Carolina School of Horseshoeing and Equine Lameness.a small > school with no more than 12 students usually per week Oh my... I'm sure Sally is one of the few good ones that the NC School of Horseshoeing and Quackery has turned out. Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Cary's 'what gait' picture
Karen Thomas wrote: > Maybe Flekka was going at 40 mph and the shutter speed just wasn't fast > enough to catch us... yes, that must be it. ;) You two are faster than the speed of light! I kept asking Rich if he was catching Kopar gaiting with us as I ran with Starri and he assured me he was. I think there may be a bit of his tail in one photo ;-) . I think I'll have Rich run with them tomorrow...I need to join Curves or something, I was so winded after a few laps! Trish
Re: [IceHorses] The 'Tap'
On 1/14/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What the...?! > http://www.the-endorphin-tap.com/index.html It is for real. He came to Chronicle of the Horse (a large sport horse buletin board I frequent) last month when someone asked about him. Very strange guy and not anything I'm willing to try with my horses! Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait - Kopar
On 1/14/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These pics might be too far away to see very well...will try to get > closer ones if that would help. Saddlerack for the first, Running walk for the second, and flat walk for the inhand. Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
RE: [IceHorses] A joke?
Hi Virginia, >This is obviously a joke about New Horsemanship but the poor horse I agree poor horse. There are quite a few people who teach their horses to lay down. It may be fine but I see it done over and over and personally I don't think it is so nice for the horses. Robyn V -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] The 'Tap'
What the...?! http://www.the-endorphin-tap.com/index.html V
[IceHorses] A joke?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NOA8j2u59s This is obviously a joke about New Horsemanship but the poor horse V
Re: [IceHorses] hubby and Nas
On 1/14/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the door is left open Nasi likes to stick his nose in and smell and > look inside" ?? Another icelandic breed trait? > Janice That sounds like Orri--he's nosy and will stick his nose anywhere he can to check things outhe's 5 so maybe it's his youth? Gat will only nose around if she thinks there's treats. V
Re: [IceHorses] hubby and Nas
> Cute...though I hardly recognized Donny with his pants on ;) Exactly! Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
> the funny thing is, stjarni did great with that. having been one of the > least-ridden horses at gudmar's (i saw the calendar), he found his place > in the herd within 24 hours of his arrival, and was lapping up the > attention from the lesson students within the week. I've only had horses travel great distances to get here, but if he were my horse. I would not have put him in with his new herd immediately upon his arrival. Travel is stressful to horses, and they can often lose weight 'after' they've arrived. It takes them some time to adjust to new food, new waternew everything. I think the quickest I introduced anyone to one of their herdmates was three days after their arrival and then it was to only one. And then the rest of the herd was gradually introduced. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] hubby and Nas
> "You don't open peoples mail boxes?!" he said "of course not, but when > the door is left open Nasi likes to stick his nose in and smell and > look inside" ?? Another icelandic breed trait? > Janice Cute...though I hardly recognized Donny with his pants on ;) Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Do horses like grooming?
--- Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Personally I find the prey / predator model not very > useful since most > species can be either depending on the context. I > like to approach animals > by wanting to be non-threatening rather than > threatening - using that > attitude it doesn't matter what kind of an animal > you are approaching - it > is about your body language, of course, attitude and > intention. > > I have found it to be a little bit differnt with dogs, but we are not really talking about that here, there are similarities, but I see the differences. Kim
RE: [IceHorses] gaited/Throttur
>-Throttur is born 29 of may taken pic in >september 4 monht ,pretty small guy, his mother >Theysa is small only 133 cm at withers (stick measure it makes around 13.1") Because I know have trained Throtturs mother and starting his halfbrother (out of the same mare) I´m pretty sure he ´s 5 gaited even thou trot /foxtrot is first choice of gait ,both mother and father is 5 gaited and older brother also, but all have good trot at liberty and the father Krummi fra Blesastödum has a 9 for trot in breeding show -But as you say Karen I also bet that anybody who sees him know at liberty would have a hard time to copy him as 5 gaited icelandic. they would probably set him in the 4 gaited category,yes.. Kvedja Malin
[IceHorses] Re: GB offspring
On 1/14/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anyway, in the last pic the black mare in the middle is > out of GB. > -- > yipie tie yie yo > > > Not just the black mare but the sorrel in front too. He particularly reminds me of Jaspar but with more flaxen MT. And he is huge. He is only 3. I wonder when they turned to prunes down there?? Apparently they werent prunes 4 years ago... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
>> i recall there being a lot of resistance here on this list to the idea that i was going to be putting a lot of kids on my icey; that he would be a bad choice for that b/c of his breed I think what upsets some of us, was the fact that you never gave that horse a chance to adjust to his new home. To settle down, get used to the routine, give him time to get ot know you, and you know him. You got him home and threw him into work, right away. And you wanted to use him as a 3 gaited lesson horse. Had this been me, I would have gotten a POA, who is 3 gaited. This had nothing to do with the fact that Stjarni is an IcePony. I believe I would have felt the same if you had gotten a TWH to use for a walk, trot, canter lesson program. IMHO..you were very unfair to that poor little pony! And I hope those "words" speak to you. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chick, the Mini Barn Goddess Western WI, USA, Planet Earth
Re: [IceHorses] Horse or Pony
Maybe Vicka can explain what the phrase "steppin in high cotton" means. It is my theory that stepping in high cotton has some bearing on why walking horses were initially bred for smooth yet high action gait. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] First Icelandic ride
What a cute little girl and she has an awesome shirt! <;] Raven
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 08:24:28AM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: > i recall there being a lot of resistance here on this list to the idea > that i was going to be putting a lot of kids on my icey; that he would be a > bad choice for that b/c of his breed. > > NO! I don't remember ANYONE saying that, Vicka, and believe me, I was one > of many people grimacing when you started telling us what you were doing > with Stjarni. It was NOT about his breed. check the archives. before he even arrived, in fact iirc possibly before i even bought him, several people wondered aloud about his suitability as a lesson horse, when they knew nothing about him but his iceyness. > It WAS because you bought a horse, took him to a totally new environment and > immediately put him to work as a lesson horse in a three-gaited riding > program, stressful at best, with what I believe you said was 15-20 students > taking regular lessons on him ...AND that you put him to work within a week > or so of his arrival. That was just unconscionable to me and you were > either very naive about the transition time due ANY horse, or downright > uncaring about the confusion you were inflicting on this particular horse. the funny thing is, stjarni did great with that. having been one of the least-ridden horses at gudmar's (i saw the calendar), he found his place in the herd within 24 hours of his arrival, and was lapping up the attention from the lesson students within the week. i realize he may be unusual in this way, but my trainer and i kept a very watchful eye on his moods and behavior from the beginning, and made a point of not pushing him into anything he wasn't apparently ready and happy to do. > It WAS because you were putting so many students on him when you didn't have > a clue how to handle his gaits himself. You didn't even get to know him and > his cues and idiosyncrasies and learn him before you put beginners on him. on a leadline and at a walk, yes. i didn't have my students try to get other gaits on him for the most part for about a month. but he's always been good with the verbal commands "walk on" and "whoa", and he loved being groomed and was the gentlest horse in the barn with the kids. (our beginners spend more time working on the ground than in the saddle.) meanwhile *i* worked on his gaits and cues and particularities (most of which i have to say were easy, easy, easy -- he is still the easiest horse to ride i've ever ridden) under the eye of my trainer. > It WAS because you sent pictures of a horse showing a preference for lateral > gaits to work as a lesson horse in a three-gaited program. Of all the > leans-towards-trot Icelandic horses, you bought a horse whose pictures show > a lot of lateralness and tried to use him to teach on - when you freely > admitted you couldn't discern his gaits yourself. It WAS because you were > doing this when he was your first gaited horse and you didn't have a clue > what to do with gaits, yet you were trying to TEACH a lot of students on > him. i didn't try to teach tolting, and after determining that his trot was tough to get, i didn't try to teach trotting on him either without a leader (he would trot pretty readily when led, with voice support). what i taught on stjarni was steering, walk and whoa, balance and independence, riding hills, trail riding, and (later, after he'd got a voice command for it) cantering. he was an absolutely wonderful horse for the job i gave him (i had other horses to use for teaching trotting, jumping, cornering, lateral work, and collection). we're taking the winter off from teaching to work on some stuff together, and i think we've made some pretty good progress. my tentative plan is to resume teaching with him in the spring, although i may not move him back to the lesson barn, which means i'll have different sorts of classes and need to be picky about my students since i won't have other horses to choose from. but i'm waiting to see where he and i are a few months from now before making those kinds of decisions. > It WAS because you said you bought him with a business plan to pay him off > by trading his board for letting him be used as a lesson horse, and by using > him as a lesson horse yourself. what's wrong with that? i like to teach. people also pay me for it. i was a riding instructor before i had stjarni, and i picked him partly b/c i thought he'd be a good lesson horse as well as a good mount for myself. i don't think that teaching with him is inherently immoral. nor have i failed to pay board for him during our not-teaching time, and if i don't end up teaching with him again, i still want him for my very own and will support him as he needs. > Don't drag the breed into this, Vicka. I know I was appalled at what YOU > were doing to the poor horse and I know others who didn't speak up were as > well. It had nothing to do with what Stjarni is as an individual horse, and > nothing to do with his breed y'al
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 06:15:08AM -0800, Kim Morton wrote: > Horses are very > sensitive, sometimes Icelandic Ponies can be sensitive > and not show it so obviously outwardly, but things get > to them, they are very intelligent. sure. but if you have a pony greeting everyone who comes into the barn with ears forward, standing patiently for grooming, showing every sign of enjoying himself, i think it's okay to listen to that, too. (i don't want to make stjarni out to be a saint; he isn't (quite :) -- there were definitely riders he did not like, and he would show his displeasure by walking off the track with them or tossing his head. nobody to whom he reacted that way (there were maybe four people) got to ride him again; we put them on other horses who didn't mind.) > I think it is very rare that > a horse can handle this without a lot of stress, > sometimes they just shut down, many times they do not > like humans a lot. i think stjarni is a rare one. he also does like humans a lot, and he has the best equine social skills i've seen yet among other equines. i discussed this at length with gudmar, who imported him in 2001, sold him to a beginner adult, got him back when the guy moved on to hunters, resold him to be a beginner child's first horse, and got him back when the people paying for her horse broke up, and then resold him to me. the suitability as a lesson horse was in our terms of sale, and had he been unhappy at it, i had the option of sending him back. (i'm not sure i'd have taken it if i was as enamoured myself as i've become, of course. but i made sure it got signed in.) > Many times they do not feel > like themselves for a year after arriving here. then let's call this a small experiment, and we'll see what he's like next fall. i'll stick out whatever the list has to dish out in the meanwhile, and file a report with y'all then :) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Horse or Pony
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 09:21:33AM -0700, ToltallyICE wrote: > Vicka don't let it bother you, it's just par for the course. thanks, cheryl. it doesn't bother me enough to stop me, that's for sure :) > I've enjoyed your thoughts on semantics it's been educational for me, > someone who is barely able to get my thoughts put down in words! thanks! language is my primary passion, after ponies, and the one i've put most of my education and professional life into. i'm very glad to hear it's been useful to you. > On the pony vs. horse thing, as I've said before I really don't care what > people want to call them. I prefer to call them horse, as pony for most > brings an image of a small, lightly built equine not capable of carrying an > adult, suitable only for a child or a cart. *nod* as i've probably said a few times by now, i think that it might be that image of "pony" that keeps many people from wanting to use it for iceys, who are not at all constrained to children and carts. (that said, i call stjarni a "ponykins", but that's just me embarrassing my own self -- he's far too dignified to mind ;) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] shoeing/Master Farrier?
--- Stephanie Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/13/07, Storme Lee~Fire Island Farms > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Sally took a very different approach in her farrier > schooling...she > > went to an apprecticeship based school, worked on 8-12 horses > per > > day, and does extra farrier studies every year and studies > anatomy of > > the horses and is really into researching the new studies on > founder > > and navicular on her own. > > What school did Sally go to? > > Steph North Carolina School of Horseshoeing and Equine Lameness.a small school with no more than 12 students usually per week Most of the other schools I did research on focus on forge work and hot shoeing, and most students at a lot of those schools have to share their horse for the day.but they do come home with hand made hoof picks, tool boxes, towel racks and other assorted forged products. Storme Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
Re: [IceHorses] Alternative to USIHC / FEIF
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Isn't there already a registry for naturally gaited horses, > regardless of > > breed. Or maybe it is a color registry - Spotted horse? That > has to show > > gait by video. > Spotted saddle horses are descendants of spanish gaited ponies that > came over with columbus. They are supposed to have icelandic horse > blood too. They opened the books for a while for any pinto horse > exhibiting gait could enter but the books are closed and the > registry > is wanting to distance themselves from TWH affiliation in anyway. > (I > have a registered SSHBEA horse). just fyi Robyn. > Janice > -- > yipie tie yie yo > There is 'The Pleasure Saddle Horse Club' that takes gaited horses,, gaited horse crosses and Icelandics are included Storme Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html
RE: [IceHorses] Alternative to USIHC / FEIF
Hi Judy, >Without speeding a lot of time thinking about it, my initial thoughts are >that it may not be needed in other gaited breeds. Do you think that it is only the Icelandic breed that has an extreme way of riding, training and competition? Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Do horses like grooming?
Hi >I think it can be like this with horses, but I don't >think it's really abnormal for them. Some are just >very sensitive, I would guess that it would work for >them as prey animals. I have not really had the experience that it makes any different whether an animal is a 'predator' or a 'prey' they can be tactile defensive. It think there is a difference between being tactile defensive and unused to being touches. Personally I find the prey / predator model not very useful since most species can be either depending on the context. I like to approach animals by wanting to be non-threatening rather than threatening - using that attitude it doesn't matter what kind of an animal you are approaching - it is about your body language, of course, attitude and intention. I have learned to look outside the box of general beliefs in looking at behaviour from working with so many different species of animals and finding that I can use the same principles with any of them -whether they are considered prey or predatory animals in the food chain - and get the same result in terms of being able to handle them in a non-stressful way. Working outside of species that I know a lot about has really given me new ways of looking at species that I have more experience with. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Ponying
> HA! You are a REAL woman, then! I won't do stuff outside unless it's above > 40*. But that's probably short sleeve weather for you! Probablyanything about freezing would send me outside in shorts right now.. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Outside horses
Hi Denise One of the ways we could tell if our Icelandics were settled and 'happy' was by how much they played. If they don't play at all it may be because they don't have a friend they like to play with. Yours look like they are having a good time. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] DropShot
See my new video at http://www.dropshots.com/vlt That looks like fun. I want to be Alex when I grow up! Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM
Re: [IceHorses] New at You Tube
On 1/14/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a test I uploaded a vid to Dropshots as you suggested to see the quality. > http://www.dropshots.com/day.php?userid=231848&cdate=20070114&ctime=093447 Sorry--wrong link providedI'll send a new one. The vid is still dark so I guess I'll have to keep playing around with it. V
[IceHorses] DropShot
See my new video at http://www.dropshots.com/vlt I find that it still is dark, but it's not as pixilated. I couldn't get rid of the background talking so please just lower the volume. I have to find some software that will help me edit--although I don't know if any will lighten darkness. V Sunday, January 14, 2007 Trotting http://www.dropshots.com/day.php?userid=231848&cdate=20070114&cimg=0 DropShots - Keeping relationships connected. Share your photos and videos at http://www.dropshots.com/ <> logosmall.gif Description: Binary data
RE: [IceHorses] Spakur
Hi Judy, >This is a hard one! Cheryl had agreed to have the photo posted on the >gaitedhorse list, and there were diverse responses, as I recall pace, rack, >canter. Isn't this just a perfect example of how hard it can be to see a gait from a single photo - no one can agree and without sequential photos there are lots of times that you can't be sure. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Loose Rein trot - You Tube
On 1/14/07, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Virginia, > It must be my computer but it so dark I can't see much. I don't think it's just your computer--there's a compression 'thing' going on in the uploadfirst off I took the video in a 'dark' arena, although I adjusted my camcorder for the dark it didn't seem to help much, then when I uploaded the video looked even worse. Anyways--I'm trying to upload to another site which I'm hoping will not do compression. I'll send the link when it's up. :D V
RE: [IceHorses] Loose Rein trot - You Tube
Hi Virginia, It must be my computer but it so dark I can't see much. Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] File - Editing, Responding to the List
Just a reminder for those who may need it: Please follow the list rules about editing / trimming (deleting) unnecessary quoted text and all message headers, footers, Yahoo ads, list footer, etc. from your replies to list messages. Email list netiquette calls for only quoting 2-3 lines of relevant text as reference for a response (and that quoted text should be less than your response). It is standard netiquette. Look at how other list members post. Place your response *below* the small quoted text from the message to which you are responding. Quoted text should be within brackets >>like this<< (pointing IN to the quote). Top posting is not allowed. If editing / trimming is a problem, please use a new, clean email to post to the list. Be sure your email program is set to Plain Text format (or "basic") and not HTML (or fancy text with colors and backgrounds). Posts to the list that contain large amounts of unnecessary quoted text make it very difficult for digest readers to find the replies, to search our archives, and for people who pay for local phone service by the minute. If those members have to wade through all the quotes to find your response, it may not be read or taken seriously. Digest members, especially, need to delete the whole digest from their replies. Other lists may not have these requirements (which are a basic part of email list netiquette), but we like to have our lists on the more professional side. Our archives are a very valuable source of information and we'd like to be able to keep them without being charged alot for them. I'm reasonably sure that those who quote excessively may not want to contribute to the expense it may cost us. So please snip (edit, trim) anything that's not needed and quite a few people (including the moderators :-)) will be very grateful. And thanks much for your participation on list! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] New at You Tube
On 1/13/07, Stephanie Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't get any of them to load. :( As a test I uploaded a vid to Dropshots as you suggested to see the quality. http://www.dropshots.com/day.php?userid=231848&cdate=20070114&ctime=093447 It doesn't look as pixilated. Now I have to figure out how to get rid of the background soundtrack of people talking around me when I was filming. V
Re: [IceHorses] Horse or Pony
>> You don't have anything to say about horses though, do you? Just about >> words... Are there semantics lists out there that you might join for >> these >> discussions? > > 0. *your* message isn't about horses. it's about me, and is neither > informed nor polite. Vicka don't let it bother you, it's just par for the course. It would appear some are uncomfortable having a polite discussion with an intelligent person who may question or suggest an alternative thought process while on a path to gain knowledge so they resort to personal attacks in an effort to silence them. It is really sad that some see their opinion as being the ONLY acceptable opinion and can't accpet any discussion of a differing opinon without resorting to rude and personal attacks. I've enjoyed your thoughts on semantics it's been educational for me, someone who is barely able to get my thoughts put down in words! On the pony vs. horse thing, as I've said before I really don't care what people want to call them. I prefer to call them horse, as pony for most brings an image of a small, lightly built equine not capable of carrying an adult, suitable only for a child or a cart. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
RE: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
0. *your* message isn't about horses. it's about me, and is neither informed nor polite. Yes, it was rude. I can - and I will - be rude when it comes down to doing what's right for horses - especially when people won't listen to tactful, carefully explained reasons for certain positions we've stated. At that point, I don't give a rat's rear-end about the semantics you like to argue about, nor about politeness. My first allegiance is with the welfare of this breed of horses when I'm on this list. However, I DO apologize to the rest of the LIST for being so blunt...Sorry, folks. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i recall there being a lot of resistance here on > this list to > the idea that i was going to be putting a lot of > kids on my > icey; I think the key word is a "lot" of kids. >that he would be a bad choice for that b/c of > his breed. I don't really recall anyone saying it was because of his breed. If they did, I disagree. Horses are very sensitive, sometimes Icelandic Ponies can be sensitive and not show it so obviously outwardly, but things get to them, they are very intelligent. Things get to all horses and ponies, things we do to them. Of course it is usually unintentional on the part of the human, the majority of people do not read them very well. Putting a lot of kids, or adults on any equine is a big responsibility for them. I think it is very rare that a horse can handle this without a lot of stress, sometimes they just shut down, many times they do not like humans a lot. Moving to a new home stresses them, moving to new states stresses them, moving from Iceland to the US stresses them a lot! Many times they will pick up an illness on the truck somewhere because they have no immunity. Many times they do not feel like themselves for a year after arriving here. I have heard what I think it good advice, which is to let them rest for several months or a year. I know Stjarni did not just arrive from Iceland, but this is what he likely went through, it's very rough. I have found that my horses need several months to adjust to a new home, even when they didn't even change owners, Snorri was very reserved for about three months here in Kentucky, then he came out of himself and starting playing with Zoe again. Many things we do to horses are very rough on them, without people realizing it, by the time we do notice something is wrong, it may be too late for the horse, there may be no coming back for them. Kim
RE: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
>>> IMO..one of the biggest reason is that IcePonies are price very high compared to those other breeds. If you check the prices of Icelandic's NOW, I don't think you can say that. Sure, I think Gudmar said that the price of a trail gelding is about $12,000-14,000 but I have NEVER paid that for one - and I dare anyone to compare any of the $12,000 geldings to Skjoni. (Who will never again be for sale at any price.) We didn't pay nearly that for Skjoni - even including that we had to pay shipping for him twice, since the first crazy hauler went AWOL with him and Falki and, well... some of you remember that awful story... The price of Icelandic's has definitely dropped in the USA in the past five years. You now see riding age geldings for sale in the $5000 - 9,500 range, where they were more like in the $7000-11,000 range when I was first looking. And of course, you'll find older ones going for less, and of course, sometimes some younger, unproven ones might be less too...and there are some who have baggage and issues for a good bit less. I don't think the prices for Icelandic's - IF you consider the actual selling price - is so high now and they may still drop. IF you are talking about paying $12,000-14,000 for a GELDING, then yes, I think that's ridiculous - I certainly wouldn't pay that for ANY horse. But, if you are looking at paying the more realistic going price for the geldings, mares and weanlings, then they are already selling in a range not-so-different from many comparable QH, RMH, etc. It's still not often easy to find a good riding Icelandic gelding at any price, so frankly, I've been surprised to see the drop in prices over the past couple of years. Normally, market demand drives prices, so I guess we can draw whatever conclusions we can from that. And to pay $12,000 - 14,000 for an imported gelding who will an INCREASED risk for SE if brought to much of the USA...well, that's just silly and doesn't show much concern for the horses. But that's JMHO. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
i recall there being a lot of resistance here on this list to the idea that i was going to be putting a lot of kids on my icey; that he would be a bad choice for that b/c of his breed. NO! I don't remember ANYONE saying that, Vicka, and believe me, I was one of many people grimacing when you started telling us what you were doing with Stjarni. It was NOT about his breed. It WAS because you bought a horse, took him to a totally new environment and immediately put him to work as a lesson horse in a three-gaited riding program, stressful at best, with what I believe you said was 15-20 students taking regular lessons on him ...AND that you put him to work within a week or so of his arrival. That was just unconscionable to me and you were either very naive about the transition time due ANY horse, or downright uncaring about the confusion you were inflicting on this particular horse. It WAS because you were putting so many students on him when you didn't have a clue how to handle his gaits himself. You didn't even get to know him and his cues and idiosyncrasies and learn him before you put beginners on him. It WAS because you sent pictures of a horse showing a preference for lateral gaits to work as a lesson horse in a three-gaited program. Of all the leans-towards-trot Icelandic horses, you bought a horse whose pictures show a lot of lateralness and tried to use him to teach on - when you freely admitted you couldn't discern his gaits yourself. It WAS because you were doing this when he was your first gaited horse and you didn't have a clue what to do with gaits, yet you were trying to TEACH a lot of students on him. It WAS because you said you bought him with a business plan to pay him off by trading his board for letting him be used as a lesson horse, and by using him as a lesson horse yourself. Don't drag the breed into this, Vicka. I know I was appalled at what YOU were doing to the poor horse and I know others who didn't speak up were as well. It had nothing to do with what Stjarni is as an individual horse, and nothing to do with his breed You may be a linguist, but you sure seem not able to hear what people tell you for some reason Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] Animation of Pace
http://iceryder.net/pace2.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 08:55:18PM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: > And it has another effect: > > How do you think he looks to American horsemen when he says "it's not a > pony, it's a horse", and he tries to back up that statement with incorrect > information? like a non-native speaker, honestly. his accent's not perfect either. > We have some of owners responding to "Cute pony!" that they hear on the > trail, with "It's not a pony, it's a horse!", and the poor people who were > trying to be kind, rolling their eyes and keeping their distance from > Icelandic owners. contradicting compliments is generally considered rude. if i say to someone about their adorable infant, "cute little girl!" and they snap "it's a boy, not a girl!", i kind of roll my eyes and keep my distance too. & i'm quite sure they're right and i was wrong; it's just the manners of the thing. > This all, in turn, reflects on the breed. > > There are about 3,000 Icelandics in the US. They came to the US around the > same time as Pasos and Fjords. Their numbers have jumped! Ours haven't. > > I guess that would be OK; I have no vested interest in whether they are > popular or not, and some people do NOT want them to be popular because then > they would no longer have a "specialty" item; but I bet those who are > breeding bunches of babies care! (BTW, there have been LOTS of herd > dispersals due to over-breeding Icelandics and not having a market to sell > them.) i don't think that icelanders' terms for them are the problem behind this, although i can see icelanders' preference for "horse" from a marketing perspective (see previous message) given that icelandics are not considered generally suitable for kids. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 10:04:04PM -0800, Kim Morton wrote: > If you look at this logically, we are actually the > ones fighting prescritivism by saying that we are > correct in calling Icelandics "ponies" in American > English. The Icelanders come over and insist that we > in the US use the word "horse" for Icelandics, they > keep telling people that over and over. Then there > are certain people who go ahead and give in and start > doing it, not only that, they start correcting other > people. In the US we would naturally, and do naturally > call Icelandics "ponies". They are the ones doing the > prescribing, actually. I think we are just tired of > all the prescribing:) i think this seems very likely. but now that you describe it, i can see it as another reason icelanders might call the hestur "horses" in the usa, which is the american english links where "ponies" are for "kids", "horses" are for "adults" or "riders". i recall there being a lot of resistance here on this list to the idea that i was going to be putting a lot of kids on my icey; that he would be a bad choice for that b/c of his breed. i can imagine that if one were selling in this market, one might prefer the term that goes with "for riders" for the beasties. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 11:51:28PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: > the idea that one sort of wording is "correct" is exactly the kind of > prescriptive way of looking at language that tells us english sentences > oughtn't end in prepositions because latin sentences can't. > > You don't have anything to say about horses though, do you? Just about > words... Are there semantics lists out there that you might join for these > discussions? 0. *your* message isn't about horses. it's about me, and is neither informed nor polite. 1. i have quite a few things to say about horses, when i know what i am saying, which is on a limited # of topics (my own horse, his training, people i've met, horses suitable for teaching with). i am silent (but reading) on topics i find of interest but am not knowledgeable about, such as breeding evaluations, "which gait", saddle fitting, conformation's contribution to gait, the importance of manes and tails, how to make flywhisks, &c. 2. of course i'm on semantics lists, where we discuss such fascinating regionalisms as the "soda, frappe, sub" vs "coke, milkshake, hoagie" groupings. i don't much see anybody there going nutty over a person moving from boston to baltimore and opening a "sub shop" and calling it that, though. --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Need Wintec Wide and/or Extra Wide Gullet
They aren't that expensive are they? Have you asked Susan at Saddle Up how much she sells them for? I bought the whole set along with my Wintec and use the white for Satin and will probably have to go down a size for Beau. They are about $20-25 each and available at most tack stores. You used to see them occasionally on ebay, but by the time you pay shipping - because ebay shipping is frequently inflated - you are as well off buying them locally or from someone who ships quickly like Susan - especially since Susan give list members a 10% discount. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
