Re: [IceHorses] shoeing/Master Farrier?
--- Stephanie Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Really? I've had good and bad experiences with people that went to all different schools. My current farrier who is wonderful, except his prices . Prices? Well what we say, is If we call you back Show up on time...call if we are running late Have a professional attitude treat you and your horses with respect your horses are moving great and the list goes on and on. we do charge more... when we were having problems getting a good farrier I would have paid double what I was paying to the idiots that I had to use. It is an interesting profession...very hard, but can be a lot of funand the gossip milll about this farrier or that one, and so and so horseswe try our best to stay out of that side, thats part of the professional attitude. Sally will be studying with Pete Ramey this coming spring, for her continuing Ed, she is pretty excited about that.and he I would call a Master Farrier Storme Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know.
Re: [IceHorses] shoeing/Master Farrier?
On 1/16/07, Storme Lee~Fire Island Farms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What you just described sounds familar to the stories from the guys > who went to oklahoma and the montana schooland the same attitude > that the shoers have here on this island. Really? I've had good and bad experiences with people that went to all different schools. My current farrier who is wonderful, except his prices was trained in Ireland. Did a great job on my horse tonight despite having very little foot to work with on one leg. > Sally never saw him do any of those things you descibed, and she is > pretty savvy with medical stuff, shots and stuff, that does not mean > he has never done it, just that she never saw any of that behavior. Ask her if she remembers the little barn in Gastonia that had the landfill for a pasture. Some of the things I know about are hearsay, but alot of the things I saw with my own eyes over a 3 year period. Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] shoeing/Master Farrier?
--- Stephanie Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/14/07, Storme Lee~Fire Island Farms > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > One time before Farrier school, we called our shoerhe came > out > > with one farrier who graduated from a program in Montana and the > > other who graduated from a program in Oklahoma (Lets talk > > Quackery..and Steph I did not appreciate the comment BTW) > > Let's talk about Quackery... Do your research on Jerry Linker, and > you'll see the true honest definition of Quackery. > > The man pressure shod a horse, complete with bolt and block for > founder. Wonderful soul, isn't he? He regularly sedated horses at > that > farm with a shot of everclear into the jugular, can we add > veterinary > practice without a license? He and his 'school' did the most > horrible > shoeing work and trimming work I have *ever* seen. > > My mother's TWH we bought, shod by him for over 2 years. 6" toes. > Yes, > people, 6" toe, no heel. Two years later we *might* have his feet > fixed. > > He lets first day students trim and shoe horses. Rumor has it he > does > alcohol blocks on navicular horses, but I'm not sure if he was > prosecuted for that. I believe the horse's owner dropped teh > charges. > (or so I heard it) > > He told me that I had no business making decisions for my horse > because I was 'only a young woman' and she'd be 'better off in his > care instead of the dumb *** idiot who put those dumb *** shoes on > her'. At the time she was in synthetic shoes cast on, by the > manufacturer of the shoes. > > You can mention his name or that your old farrier was trained by > them > and you'll be hard pressed to get someone to take care of your > horses. > I do give them credit, an *excellent* local farrier went to their > school. Scarred him so bad he went back to his European home > country > did his trainign over there and then came over here and started > shoeing. > > I've made the statement many times I'd shoe my own if Jerry Linker > and > his crowd were my only options. I totally stand by that still. I'm > sure Sally is a competent trimmer, but it's probably inspite of her > schooling at the school, certainly not because of it! I met the > man, > saw horses he shod, and have heard all kinds of horror stories from > friends, farriers, and vets about him... > > Steph What you just described sounds familar to the stories from the guys who went to oklahoma and the montana schooland the same attitude that the shoers have here on this island. Sally never saw him do any of those things you descibed, and she is pretty savvy with medical stuff, shots and stuff, that does not mean he has never done it, just that she never saw any of that behavior. We just ran into a guy who went to the farrier school in georgia and he wanted to know if the school Sally went to taught nerve block and shooting up horses as well Sorry to say it is common practice in schools...all the guys I have talked to out of farrier school saw and witnessed stuff they might not do, and unfortunatley some stuff they do . One thing Sally said for sure is that Jerry is definatley the poster boy 'For the Good Ol Boy network'.but he did teach her the basics so she had the choice to become good or not. Again, for a list that talks about natural horsemanship, what I was mentioning is that the term Master Farrier is not something that I hold dearas the testing for that focuses on Blacksmithing or the way you manipulate metal, certainly not on the horses, or the condition of their hoof. Sally has certainley not gone back to Jerrys school for continuing education, she felt she needed the basics and thats what he taught her. Storme It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Gudmar's Interview
> Not all horses are miserable being "just school horses". Some excel > in teaching other horses and people, and they enjoy it. > > Dawn B.S. - northern Michigan I know I really appreciate school horses. However, I feel all school horses need an advocate. Someone that will always be there to ensure that their health and well-being aren't compromised. Cara, do you remember the first lesson horse I rode who was lame? Just slightly off...but still lame. The instructor said she was just sore from being kicked. Do you remember the other lesson horse who I felt needed her teeth attended to, either that or a different bit. And I was told she was always fussy at first. No...I worried when I was riding them because I felt their owners weren't there to say enough was enough. I noticed that little things were neglected, things I wouldn't allow at home. Some owners were attentive and were there almost every time Cara and I were there, but most horses (our lesson horses) never saw an owner. Over the course of the time Cara and I were taking lessons, we were finally assigned two horses that seemed healthy, but I felt sorry for the others left behind who weren't being brushed that night... Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Gudmar's Interview
She is happiest when she is surrounded by children learning about how to put on a halter or pick out her feet. She is happiest when she has a timid rider on her back. She is happiest when she is giving a lesson in either a round pen or arena. But what you just described isn't exactly a typical "school horse" life. A lot of horses like having kids around them, petting on them, picking feet, brushing. Even my old Holly will stand for what seems like hours for little girls to brush her and braid her mane - so will most of my Icelandics. In fact, a good number of horses just like kids - period. And a fair number of horses don't seem to mind giving lead line llessons or similar low-key mostly walk lessons - for little kids or timid adults- IF they are done in moderation, followed by carrots or cookies, and more petting. But to move a horse to a new location and have 15-20 people immediately start walk/trot/canter lessons (on a multi-gaited horse), bouncing around in the saddle as they learn their "up-down" lessons, while older students try to canter, when the riders and even the instructor aren't familiar with the horse's cues, his gaits...? That's another matter altogether. Several of our horses have been used for occasional lessons, but in such moderation that I don't think anyone would consider them "lesson horses" - I'm not sure any one horse has ever been used for more than one lesson a week, possibly two. At the moment, no one is taking lessons on any of ours, except for Cary and me. And we always are there when someone else takes a lesson, with an instructor who I'd trust with my own life, and who knows all my horses like they are her own. You are picking this life for Osp after you've had her for years, after she's been essentially a one-person horse, right? You are making this decision based on what you have learned about her personality over several years...? And you know her well by now...? You know her gaits, their cues, and her idiosyncrasies? Are you giving the lessons yourself, or are you letting someone who doesn't know her at all give the lessons when you aren't there to watch? These are all important variables that determine how successful a horse can be as a lesson horse. I know that Alex rides Gat in her lessons, just as Emily rode Thunder in hers, but I haven't heard Virginia say that the barn uses her for other lessons, not many anyway. In my mind that does not make Gat a "lesson horse", but a pony who is learning with her human partner, same as it was for Emily and Thunder. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/626 - Release Date: 1/14/2007 8:29 PM
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait - Kopar
Stephanie Caldwell wrote: > > Saddlerack for the first, Running walk for the second, and flat walk > for the inhand. Thanks, Steph! Trish
[IceHorses] Re: Gudmar's Interview
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Not everyone can afford to keep their horses without the horses having some job and who are we to judge which horses are happy and which are not; and what is a suitable job. It sounds like Vicka is trying to watch Stjarni and hopefully if she see a change in his behaviour, demeanor or attitude she will adjust his job description. > Robyn -Robyn, I feel pretty strongly about this. *I* wanted Osp to be an awesome show horse, drill team horse, camping horse, etc... As it turns out, Osp is not those things - by her own choosing, not mine. Osp is a teacher, and that is the job she is happiest with. She is happiest when she is surrounded by children learning about how to put on a halter or pick out her feet. She is happiest when she has a timid rider on her back. She is happiest when she is giving a lesson in either a round pen or arena. She is not thrilled about doing drill teams. She is not happy camping. And show horse she is not. How do I know she's happiest as a school horse (read: teacher)? She is most willing, calm and relaxed when doing these things. She has a soft look in her eye, and her body is soft and relaxed. She is very willing to do what we ask of her while in teaching situations. Not all horses are miserable being "just school horses". Some excel in teaching other horses and people, and they enjoy it. Dawn B.S. - northern Michigan
RE: [IceHorses] Sidepull question
On the side-pull (the bridle you describe most likely has reins attaching at the side of the noseband rather than underneath). This encourages bracing in the horse's neck. A hackamore brings the feel from under the chin and encourages "uh huh" muscles instead of "uh uh", softening the under neck instead of building it On this list I've read that the sidepull is better than under the chin. Now I'm confused! And of course, some people say you MUST have a bit...or a bigger bit...! It does get confusing Virginia, that's for sure, and I don't know all these details. Maybe the truth is that some horses do better one way or another. Or maybe the truth is that some riders do better with one than the other depending on their individual habits. I like the Parelli program but I don't think they have the "only" way. I assume the under-chin theory may be based on the western/Spanish bosal way, but I wasn't exposed to that in my early lessons, so that's always seemed a little foreign to me...not exactly wrong to me, just not what I've been used to. Are you interested in trying the one-rein riding? I think there are some merits to it - in a controlled space. You learn not to depend on your hands and reins, and to use your seat and legs. But, when you play Passenger game, you don't use reins at all - unless there's an emergency - so you can to that with about any bridle-halter-sidepull. The first NH trainer who showed that to me simply had us drop our reins and follow my horse wherever she took us. I guess my attitude is pretty simple with tack: "generally less is more, but always listen to your horse." The rope hackamore and a sidepull both seem pretty mild to me, so I honestly don't sweat the difference. I just feel a little more comfortable with the sidepull. While I really like the Seven Games and the Passenger Game and a few other parts of the Parelli program, I maintain a healthy skepticism about the "necessity" of their tack and equipment. I can use a lot of their theory without their special "stuff." I'd read what they say, digest it, and consider how you might think Gat and Orri would respond, and then do what you feel is best for them. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/626 - Release Date: 1/14/2007 8:29 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Sidepull question
Virginia Tupper wrote: > OK--this is what Parelli says about sidepulls: > > On the side-pull (the bridle you describe most likely has reins > attaching at the side of the noseband rather than underneath). This > encourages bracing in the horse's neck. A hackamore brings the feel > from under the chin and encourages "uh huh" muscles instead of "uh > uh", softening the under neck instead of building it. > > On this list I've read that the sidepull is better than under the > chin. Now I'm confused! I'm so glad you're confused, Virginia, because you ask wonderful questions :-) and I learn alot from your questions. I ride with a Parelli hackamore but have been thinking of a sidepull. Does Parelli expound on how a sidepull encourages bracing...do you have a link to this info? Thanks, Trish
[IceHorses] Sidepull question
OK--this is what Parelli says about sidepulls: On the side-pull (the bridle you describe most likely has reins attaching at the side of the noseband rather than underneath). This encourages bracing in the horse's neck. A hackamore brings the feel from under the chin and encourages "uh huh" muscles instead of "uh uh", softening the under neck instead of building it. On this list I've read that the sidepull is better than under the chin. Now I'm confused! V
Re: [IceHorses] Re: [Iceland-Dogs] Benni Video
> Benni had another go at herding this morning. Sorry that went to the wrong group! Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
[IceHorses] Re: [Iceland-Dogs] Benni Video
> Poor Benni. > But what a good try. > We won't tell. His reputation is safe with us. Thanks Anna! Benni had another go at herding this morning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN7E6KSXHp0 Granted it was a bit easier to keep them moving, than to get them started. But he feels he has restored his reputation as a might herding dog! LOL It was still below zero while we were out! Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs Website: www.sandcreekicelandics.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Flying Pace?
>>> It looks on the pacey side to me, but I think the timing maybe a little off for it to really be a flying pace, when I try to freeze the video and look at it next to the flying pace, there are very similar segments, but it's hard to find a segment with the Standarbred where all feet are entirely off the ground. That makes me think of the word that Lee Ziegler always used - the continuum. There's no doubt in my mind that there are points where one gait "morphs" (another good Lee word) into another gait. A pace literally is a two-beat gait, the opposite of trot. But, the flying pace is always defined as having a point where one foot is on the ground alone, right? So, it's not a TRUE pace, but a slightly broken pace. When horses are going 20-25 or more mph like speed rackers, flying pacers, and even some rackers and tolters do, can any one really tell if the gait is a slightly pacey rack, or a flying pace? Remember those studies that they did at the McPhail institute that showed that no horse has a wide range of speed over which he could do a purely even four-beat tolt, and some didn't do it at all? Judy has posted those studies before. It took very high speed industrial application digital cameras to isolate what they did. No one's bare eyes are that fast. It's another ballgame from the gaits that are performed at 5-10 mph where "normal" cameras may be able to catch details. One funny detail I remember someone saying a while back on an Icelandic list when Janice dared post a link that online video of Rowdy Falcon. On person said what he was doing couldn't be a flying pace because you have to start into flying pace from canter or gallop. Hmmm. So, I guess by that logic, it's one gait when a horse drops into trot from a canter, and another gait when he goes into trot from a walk? No one believes that. A gait is defined by how the legs move during the gait, not by which gait the animal entered the gait. A trot is a trot, no matter what gait the horse did just prior, and the same with other gaits. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/626 - Release Date: 1/14/2007 8:29 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Flying Pace?
Hi Kim, >It looks on the pacey side to me, but I think the >timing maybe a little off for it to really be a flying I was listening more tot sound because I found it hard to see the legs. You Tube is fun but hard to get enough pixels for good quality or I guess no one could download it very easily. Interesting point about size and gravity because I have certainly seen some very very fast little Icelandics. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/628 - Release Date: 1/15/2007 11:04 AM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Flying Pace?
--- Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That horse is > very fast in rack but it still sounds like a rack > compared to a flying pace. It looks on the pacey side to me, but I think the timing maybe a little off for it to really be a flying pace, when I try to freeze the video and look at it next to the flying pace, there are very similar segments, but it's hard to find a segment with the Standarbred where all feet are entirely off the ground. It's impossible for me to freeze it frame by frame, because it just jumps to a few frames forward. I wonder if the Icelandic's small size and strength help him to be able to suspend like that for a flying pace. I wonder if we lost the smaller size if the gaits could change a little. I'm thinking of gravity. Very large equines can be gaited, but as far as I have seen, the really large ones don't use gaits with so much suspension. There was/is a really large gaited mule, I am going to guess 16.2 minimum, really, her name is Amazon, she gaits, but more feet were on the ground at once, this is a memory from a coupld of years ago. Who knows, I may see her at a show in the spring and get a video. Kim
RE: [IceHorses] Cary's 'what gait' picture
Hi Karen >Maybe Flekka was going at 40 mph and the shutter speed just wasn't fast >enough to catch us... yes, that must be it. ;) Actually I think I saw a slight blurrr in the photo - it must have been the speed you travelling You took nice photos of Skjoni and Cary though Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/628 - Release Date: 1/15/2007 11:04 AM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Flying Pace?
Hi Kim >See if this works. At least I didn't choose the video >where the guy had the kid on the horse with him, and a >beer can in the other hand ( this is the southern >version of the beer tolt:) I like that idea of the southern version of the beer tolt. That horse is very fast in rack but it still sounds like a rack compared to a flying pace. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/628 - Release Date: 1/15/2007 11:04 AM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] field trials
Just reread this - people actually carry guns to do this??? Only some people or can everyone shoot. Sounds like a good way to eliminate someone you don't like and call it 'accidental shooting" - " I thought he/she was a bird" : )) Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/628 - Release Date: 1/15/2007 11:04 AM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] field trials
Hi janice, >I went to the field trial on Jaspar yesterday. He was great. I took >pics but I am not in them... here are a few There were only 150 >horses there but today will be 300 or so. Got this email with the explanation about the field trials. There are one heck of a lot of gaited horses in your area with such big groups. Way way more than anywhere in the west that I know of. Is it like a Field trial club - any gaited breeds allowed? Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/628 - Release Date: 1/15/2007 11:04 AM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] saddle rack
Hi Judy, I have a question about the term saddle rack. When and where did the term start? It makes good sense but I don't know that any of the gaited horse group here in Vernon use the term. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.12/628 - Release Date: 1/15/2007 11:04 AM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
On 1/15/07, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have also had Icelandics that changed their temperament depending on the > rider - they were very quiet with kids and much more energetic with adults. > This can be true of many breeds, not just Icelandics. Even with my limited horse experience I can agree with this--it's our Gat. I've also noticed that Gat's more energetic with Alex now that Alex has grown and is developing into a better rider. With my youngest, Taly, Gat's very quiet. V
RE: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
Hi Vicka, >but i did receive letters saying that icelandics were not >suitable for beginner kids, being too strong and forward and demanding >too much of their riders. This is a pretty ridiculous statement to me because, like any breed, it depends on the horse. My kids started riding by themselves, with helmets, at a very young age - like 18 months. When they were 5 & 7 they could take their horses out by themselves - they got the horses ready by themselves and Mandy helped Jesse. The horses couldn't have been kinder nor more suitable. I have also had Icelandics that changed their temperament depending on the rider - they were very quiet with kids and much more energetic with adults. This can be true of many breeds, not just Icelandics. I would not want to be a school horse, of any breed, and my horses are only used as lesson horses during clinics. But how does anyone learn to ride if there are no school horses - the lack of having good school horses is probably why so many people go and buy horses without knowing anything - how kind is that to horse or rider. Not everyone can afford to keep their horses without the horses having some job and who are we to judge which horses are happy and which are not; and what is a suitable job. It sounds like Vicka is trying to watch Stjarni and hopefully if she see a change in his behaviour, demeanor or attitude she will adjust his job description. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 5:40 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] Hoof and limb dissection clinic in late April - attention NC people
This made me think - for all of you NC people who are interested, our local farrier's association, the same one that asked Liz do the gaited horse conformation presentation and Cherie to do the clicker training demo, sponsors a hoof dissection clinic every year, the last Friday in April. This year, I do NOT have any foals going to be born that day (I missed 2004 and 2006 due to lack of sleep) so I'm planning to go this year. The charge is about $75 per limb, and 2-3 people can easily share one. Also, after the dissection, it's possible to have your limb mounted by a taxidermist, with hinges so you can open it and see the inter-workings of the hoof. I went to one of these before, but was more of an observer than a participant. This year, I think Cary and I will share a limb, and I think I'll pay to get ours mounted, because that's a great reference tool - my farrier keeps one in his truck to help explain things. It will be held at one of our county high schools. I'm sure we could find a way to work in a ride the next day... Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/626 - Release Date: 1/14/2007 8:29 PM
RE: [IceHorses] A joke?
>>> I went back to the site and saw more of the videos he had taken plus I read the comments. The rider is a professional trainer and he was starting that horse--he did not train it to lay down--it did that on its own! I didn't watch the whole thing because I was in a mood where I found it annoying. But, the horse did it over, and over again, right? It wasn't just one piece of video that he pieced together to be cute, right? The horse genuinely kept doing it in different parts of the arena...? So, what kind of rocket scientist trainer would just keep on doing the same thing, over and over again...? Wouldn't ya think that a person of average intelligent would see that something wasn't working, and that he needed to try another approachand wouldn't you think that a trainer of average intelligence would realize that repeating a behavior might be reinforcing it? But, as I said, I didn't watch the whole thing. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/626 - Release Date: 1/14/2007 8:29 PM
Re: [IceHorses] A joke?
On 1/14/07, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree poor horse. There are quite a few people who teach their horses to > lay down. It may be fine but I see it done over and over and personally I > don't think it is so nice for the horses. I went back to the site and saw more of the videos he had taken plus I read the comments. The rider is a professional trainer and he was starting that horse--he did not train it to lay down--it did that on its own! V
RE: [IceHorses] shoeing/Master Farrier?
One time before Farrier school, we called our shoerhe came out with one farrier who graduated from a program in Montana and the other who graduated from a program in Oklahoma (Lets talk Quackery..and Steph I did not appreciate the comment BTW) A single bad farrier does not make or break a school's reputation - after all, medical doctors sometimes lose their licenses to practice, lawyers get disbarred, CPA's get caught with their hands in the till...no matter where they graduated. I've heard of bad examples from all the major shoeing/trimming schools and philosophies. And, btw, there are at least a couple of farriery schools in Oklahoma, which I know has caused some confusion in the past. I'm going to try to make it to the farriery association meeting tonight - which, btw, is open to owners, farriers, vets, and any one who is interested - and I'll ask about Jerry Linker. Does he own the NC School of Horseshoeing and Lameness? Somewhere, I've heard his name, but I can't exactly remember in what context. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/626 - Release Date: 1/14/2007 8:29 PM
RE: [IceHorses] shoeing/Master Farrier?
It is really one of the only farrier schools that lets you work on horses feet, and a lot of them...of course Sally is also a Doctor as well, she had a primary care practice in Seattle...so she takes her research to a whole new level when she is learning something. You know, I don't have a problem believing that a strong knowledge of anatomy is a good start for becoming a farrier...but what surprises me is how many of the so-called "barefoot" followers are so insultingly disrespectful to our equine veterinarians. That has always seemed odd to me. Equine vets not only know anatomy, but they also specifically know equine anatomy, and a good many are life-long horse owners. That's just an ironic observation. Of course again my Main point was about 'Master Farrier'...it is really about Forge work, almost all the tests are about forge work, making eggbar shoesetc etc You need to re-check that. I've talked to the farriers in our area many times about the tests and certifications they must go through, and anatomy is a big part of their testing. So is knowledge of equine diseases, good farm management, and overall horse care. Plus, to attain the "master" status, they have to have been so much time apprenticing with other senior farriers, watching and participating first-hand in the treatments of various hoof and limb ailments, including laminitis, founder, navicular... I know that many of these farriers have attended national healthcare seminars, like the Bluegrass Laminitis Symposium. I know that my farrier knows a who's who of FARRIERS and VETS who are on the forefront of Laminitis research. He's certainly not "all about forge work" - not at all. In fact, there are full days when he doesn't even pull his supply trailer, because all his work that day is doing trims-only. I've known him for about 15 years, maybe longer, and his preference for barefoot horses is not new. He's estimated that about 60-70% of his horses are barefoot, and that more could be, if their owners would give it a shot. These buys sponsor all sorts of educational events for horse owners, including an annual limb dissection clinic, so that they can teach owners some anatomy... Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/626 - Release Date: 1/14/2007 8:29 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Flying Pace?
>>>At least I didn't choose the video where the guy had the kid on the horse with him, and a beer can in the other hand ( this is the southern version of the beer tolt:), Yes, we admit that we have stupid rednecks in the southeast. But, remember that video of that guy on the hestur blog site, where the Icelander dad has the tiny tike in the red snowsuit "lead the horse" (actually the horse led the kid) all over the yard, with the kid screaming at the horse...the same one where that stallion tries to avoid the man, and runs over the same tike going into that flimsy, tiny round pen...then kid screaming, the man (Bubbi must be his name) puts the kid on the stallion's back - no helmet of course...where of course, the kid falls off and screams some more. At least we admit we have stupid rednecks in the south. And you know, best I can tell, there are stupid rednecks to be found all over the world...some are even attractive with exotic accents. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/626 - Release Date: 1/14/2007 8:29 PM
