Re: [IceHorses] Sensation accessories
>> I'd like to get a bottle holder and either a decent sized cantle pack or a saddlebag that fits the Sensation. Any one have suggestions/website to recommend? Hi Robyn, I used Stowaway pommel and cantle bags for my Sensation. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chick, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] color
On 31/05/07, Ann Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can second that. I had a gelding that was registered twice once as black > and once as brown. My Stella is registered as a bay and she is smoky black. > She has foaled a palomino, buckskin, cremellos and a couple others whose > colors I do not know. > Ann Hi Ann: Send a picture of Stella, I want to see a smokey black horse. Thanks Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] color
> > HA! Another thing they do is decide with 100% certainty that a given foal > CAN'T be dun (or gray or whatever) simply by looking up his parents colors > I can second that. I had a gelding that was registered twice once as black and once as brown. My Stella is registered as a bay and she is smoky black. She has foaled a palomino, buckskin, cremellos and a couple others whose colors I do not know. Ann
Re: [IceHorses] Mustang Roll
>> Raven, there was no link in the email HA! Well...crap. Here ya go http://www.ironfreehoof.com/top.htm <;] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chick, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] Sensation accessories
I've just discovered that my pommel water bottle holder doesn't work w/ the Sensation. I'd like to get a bottle holder and either a decent sized cantle pack or a saddlebag that fits the Sensation. Any one have suggestions/website to recommend? Thanks, Robyn -- "Horses and life; it's all the same to me." ~Buck Brannaman
Re: [IceHorses] Lina and Stephanie!
> Stephanie LOVEs riding. She's quite a young lady. She does a pretty nice > job with making that mind-of-its-own body do what she wants it to do. Do you think she would mind if I put the picture of her and Lina on a webpage? Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] color
>>> Y'know Karen, I want to join this list. I'm always up for a good laugh... HA! Another thing they do is decide with 100% certainty that a given foal CAN'T be dun (or gray or whatever) simply by looking up his parents colors as registered on his pedigree. Ok, fine... except how many Icelandic's are registered the wrong color...? Runa is registered chestnut, but I'm almost positive she's red dun. But she "can't" be dun because she doesn't have a dun parent...but Ive seen pics of her mom who appears to me to be the same shade of red dun. Anneliese has a silver dapple bay mare who somehow got registered as a PINTO! She tried to get it changed, but it was taking a lot of effort - don't know if she ever did. Often a foal doesn't show his true color for a year or longer. How many grays are registered black or some other color? I have at least four horses that I question their color registration - and who cares? They are what they are, not what's on the paper. And, while I'm feeling really bold, I'll go ahead and say something... I have two Icelandic horses, both geldings, that I seriously question that the parents are shown correctly on their papers. I COULD have DNA pulled I guess, but they are geldings and we love them for what they are, not for who their papers SAY they are. It doesn't really matter to us since they are geldings and can't be bred... but it does make you wonder how often inbreeding takes place unintentionally. And it kind of makes the color arguments even more inane, if you consider there are cases when we may not really know who the parents are. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] New farrier
It's nice, Karen, that your farrier is good, reliable, and professional. Consider yourself lucky, not all of us are so blessed. I'm glad you don't have to question your farrier - I wish I didn't feel like I had to. But respect must be earned and my jury is still out. My point was never not to question. I think it should be obvious that I'm the world's biggest questioner. It takes time to build a good working relationship with any professional and of course we should always ask questions. What my point is, just be careful which litmus tests you use - not "you" in the single sense, but in the collective sense. It always makes sense to have a checklist of priorities, but sometimes the professional may know more than us on a given issue, and his ways may be better than we can see. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Lina and Stephanie!
Stephanie LOVEs riding. She's quite a young lady. She is very VERY bright and has athetoid cerebral palsy, which is the "floppy" type. She does a petty nice job (lots of on-going physical and occupational therapy) with making that mind-of-its-own body do what she wants it to do. The most wonderful disabled kid / horse thing I ever saw was with a boy we cared for quite a few years ago. He had spasric cerebral palsy (the kind with tight contracted muscle groups). He had a lot of pain and he was very unhappy much of the time. We put him up on a pony and he slumped there with his crooked painful little body as we walked around the ring. Suddenly, he got a huge grin on his face and sat straight up on the horse and rode that way for the rest of his ride. It was a very touching thing to be a part of. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Colors
What do you suppose causes that fading? I sort of thought it was from being in the sunshine, but our Tosca is black and not fading and Hunter is pastured with a shiney black mare that doesn't fade. She is the most amazing animal. She's out of a half Arab mare and by a draft stallion. She's about 16 hands and has four bright white socks. Her owner just loves her. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Mustang Roll
> Here's a link to photos of a mustang roll. It used for barefoot trimming. Raven, there was no link in the email. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] New farrier
--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Just because someone calls themselves a farrier, doesn't mean they are a good one. It's going to take a few trims for me to believe they know what they're doing...<< That's exactly right, Wanda! Around here, most farriers have OTJ training and are "cowboy" farriers. Their education consists of what their one old cowboy mentor taught them, after all, "that's the way it's always been done". So I will give him a chance and a few more trims before I make a decision. It's nice, Karen, that your farrier is good, reliable, and professional. Consider yourself lucky, not all of us are so blessed. I'm glad you don't have to question your farrier - I wish I didn't feel like I had to. But respect must be earned and my jury is still out. Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Colors
On 5/31/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And here's Hunter again, looking a good deal more like a black horse. Well I'll be...That'un really ought to go on the Secret Color Society list! Imagine--a horse that can actually CHANGE color, from bay to black! But does he have black EYELASHES?! That's the kicker. Seriously, he's very pretty. My TWH Santana is jet black--he doesn't fade, doesn't turn bay (or gray). Just black, all the time. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Lina and Stephanie!
> Lina is a therapy horse for a disabled young woman who lets our adopted > daughter Stephanie (shown) come ride every now and then. What a wonderful picture! Does Stephanie like riding? Does it relax her body? One of the kids used to come to the lessons all tight, in a fetal position, and after a while on the horse (a rider would hold him in her arms while we lead the horse), he was quite loose. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Cues for Nickering
>> I've got Gloi nickering frequently and reinforcing with clicks and >> treats. Anna, can you get a video? I just put together the little video that I had of Ljufur nickering: http://iceryder.net/videoljufurtalks.html He's so soft, tho, and you have to listen hard. People always loved to hear him "talk" on cue. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Wanda's KY Jelly
Wanda, thanks for the tip about the KY Jelly. I am using it on Charm as her teats are very smegma-y; and it helps to keep her cleaner and the stuff is softer and easier to remove. I even made a page for it: http://iceryder.net/cleaningteats.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Colors
> I sure wish I could read Nancy's posts and see her pictures. WHY is yahoo > still not sending me her e-mails? I only know when she's posted when > someone clips a quote from her. Karen, just in case, check your Blocked Sender's list (in your email program and on-line)... maybe her email address inadvertently got put in there. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] New farrier
> Just because someone calls themselves a farrier, doesn't mean they are > a good one. It's going to take a few trims for me to believe they > know what they're doing... I definitely agree. I've gone thru at least 10 farriers in the last 14 years. One repeatedly showed up drunk, several showed up consistently late, one didn't show up at all, one was so boneheaded that he didn't even know how to recognize founder, and a couple directly contributed to Santana's leg and hoof problems. FINALLY I've found one who: Shows up Shows up sober Shows up on time Hasn't completely screwed up the horses' feet, but in fact-- Has fixed the foot problems Charges a fair price Is available for an "urgency" Add Does a darn good job! Plus he's a nice guy, and even spent some time showing me how to trim my horses' feet myself so I can keep the hooves short between trims. Then he comes and checks my work and cleans up any mistakes. He's patient with the horses and is a fair disciplinarian when they do act up (which fortunately isn't often). I intend to keep this one! Robyn
RE: [IceHorses] color
>>> Btw, I really like your baby Isak, and that's saying a lot b/c I really don't care for paints. Or pintos. Or pintianos. Or whatever the term-du-jour is. Thanks. He's a taupe Icelandic-American Pintalandic. :) Funny, we don't care so much for pintos either, and Cary's favorite horse of all times is his Perfect Skjoni Pony. Gosh, after I've been around a horse for more than a few minutes, the color almost becomes invisible. I simply see the horse. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] color
Y'know Karen, I want to join this list. I'm always up for a good laugh... Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] color
The writer said something about someone > having an allegedly silver dapple pinto foal on the icehorses list, but > (hiss, hiss) she didn't think the foal's eyelashes looked white, so she > REALLY didn't think he is...! Oh come on. Isak is silver dapple pinto with > one blue eye. How can you deny that? What other color would he be...Taupe? > Mushroom? Stone? Cappuccino? Wow--so they are scrutinizing various lists to make sure that people are being politically correct about pintos, eh? I'd say definitely Taupe, b/c it sounds the fanciest. And snobbiest. So it sounds like it would fit in well w/ the color list. Maybe we should start referring to our Iceys as being Icelandic-American if they're domestic bred. It just sounds better. Btw, I really like your baby Isak, and that's saying a lot b/c I really don't care for paints. Or pintos. Or pintianos. Or whatever the term-du-jour is. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] dark dun
> > Pretty color, but...what exactly do you do w/ a QH that has legs that > > short?! > you rope very short cows. BA! ;P Can you imagine trotting that horse? >bipbipbipbipbipbip< Gad! It'd be like comparing driving a go-kart to a car. I've seen my 13 hh Icey do this incredible floating trot, not only keeping up w/ his 15.2 buddy, but matching him stride for stride. But then again, his body size matches his legs... Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] nat geographic moment
> What the heck do the Marines do in AZ? BS, probably. He worked on the flightline, directing jets for takeoff and landing. Had to wear a full-length worksuit, got up to 120+ deg on the flightline during the day. Definitely a useful skill in civilian life. But he did buy his horse there, the one that eventually came to me and became very special to the little girl Kayla here in Colorado. I went out to visit w/ him one year in May--we went riding every day, did one all day ride thru the lemon and orange groves, rode for miles and miles. Very hot but great fun and beautiful. Robyn
RE: [IceHorses] short neck
well, I was kidding about no neck... his neck looks fine to me too... Bia Me too. And, when it comes to gaited pleasure horses, like Icelandics, can someone tell me what important traits we should look for in a neck, and why? How important in the neck? What are the biggest neck flaws or warning signs to look for? And is there such thing as a too-long neck? I have my thoughts, but I'd like to hear what others say. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Colors
Hi Karen, No prob - I don't have much important to say anyway. nancy
Re: [IceHorses] short neck
well, I was kidding about no neck... his neck looks fine to me too... Bia
Re: [IceHorses] New farrier
> If you want your farrier to be a professional, all I'm saying is don't > micromanage him. No professional likes that. Give him some professional > leeway to do his job the way he knows best and has had the best results. > > Karen Thomas What I'm saying though is that if you had a farrier that did a nice job and whatever s/he was doing was working...you would want to inform the new farrier about what was working and what wasn't. Seems to me there was a discussion on the list many years ago about people trusting professionals. I agree with that to a certain extent, however, you have to educate yourself enough to know what a good trim looks like, and recognize when something isn't working. Just because someone calls themselves a farrier, doesn't mean they are a good one. It's going to take a few trims for me to believe they know what they're doing... Wanda
[IceHorses] Mustang Roll
Here's a link to photos of a mustang roll. It used for barefoot trimming. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chick, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] color
> Gosh, Cheryl, it's only been a week or two since we last discussed that, > Cheryl, and others remember it well. And gee, I remember those > discussions > vividly and you were on the lists before I ever joined... Please direct me to one of these vivid discussions where someone claims founder doesn't occur in the breed. Someone making the claim, not hearsay. A first hand statement or a website making the claim. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
RE: [IceHorses] Horse Colors
Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And here's Hunter again, looking a good deal more like a black horse. I sure wish I could read Nancy's posts and see her pictures. WHY is yahoo still not sending me her e-mails? I only know when she's posted when someone clips a quote from her. Hi Nancy! Hope you're doing well! I hope I'm not ignoring anything important from you! Karen Thomas
RE: [IceHorses] New farrier
If the hoof isn't rolled...the longer breakover can cause too much pressure on the hoof. The mustang roll isn't the only way to control breakover, and in fact, I don't think it does so much re: break over as does how the hoof is balanced. And "balance" is not the easiest thing to define nor to achieve, and from what I understand, can be achieved with slightly varying methods. I'm sure a hoof could have a mustang roll and still be out of balance with a screwed up breakover that wasn't right for the horse. The mustang rolls works here. And we have a lot of horses doing very well without them here and have for a long time. That's why I don't think the mustang roll is THE answer. I think it's one DETAIL. Horses can do fine with them, and they can do fine without them. Look, I never told anyone NOT to use them. I simply think the technique is getting a lot more "air time" than is really necessary now. If I used that as a litmus test for selecting a farrier here, I'd rule out the best farrier in the area - probably the best in the state. That would be my loss. Right now Holly (21) is standing barefoot and sound in the pasture after two painful laminitis attacks over ten years ago - with no rotation of the coffin bone. Mack was seriously padded and heavy shod for the first 4.5 years of his life. He's 24, barefoot and sound and has been for years. All I'm saying is that I think we get too caught up in the buzzwords du jour (like mustang rolls) without thinking about the important work that farriers really do, the serious knowledge and skills they have. If you want your farrier to be a professional, all I'm saying is don't micromanage him. No professional likes that. Give him some professional leeway to do his job the way he knows best and has had the best results. Karen Thomas
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines-ot
--- IceDog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A young girl who knew Tivar when he was young went > with her class to UC > > Davis vet school for a day of tours and lectures. > When she cam back she > > told I know exactly where Davis is. Where are you from? Happy Trails from Lori Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Janice, > > Where did you get the rope halter in a color? > > Nancy > I have seen many colors on ebay. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Colors
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And here's Hunter again, looking a good deal more > like a black horse. > > Nancy > That looks more black. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
[IceHorses] mustang roll
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Re: [IceHorses] Horse Color
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's Hunter - he's a TWH, registered as black. > > Nancy He is beautiful. He looks like a bay to me. Happy Trails from Lori Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
RE: [IceHorses] New farrier
--- susan cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Still the chips and small cracks they may get - > usually in the hottest and driest weather - are > minor > and get removed with every trimming. << I am so sorry Susan. Did you say you don't shoe. I missed the reply. I was thinking about just keeping Scooter barefoot. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
RE: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
\> He's beautiful. I had a 16.1H QH for 13 years. He > was my first horsey > soul-mate. I still miss him. > I know that feeling. I miss my Arab. I did everything on him. Barrels, endurance, eng. Etc. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
> > > > A young girl who knew Tivar when he was young went > with her class to UC > Davis vet school for a day of tours and lectures. > When she cam back she told > me she learned he was a "chocolate palomino". ( > maybe another term for > sorrel flaxen ?) > > Ann He is a horse of a different color(: Happy Trails from Lori Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
> chocolate palomino is different, I think it is > actually palomino with > a sooty gene. It is a sorta real dark dirty looking > palomino. She > must have either described Tivar to them or saw a> -- Ya know. He sort of does look Palomino. Maybe that is his summer look. I like the decorations. Happy Trails from Lori Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > he is sorrel flaxen. I was teasing:) > Janice > -- > yipie tie yie yo > > Oh. LOL. I thought so. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469
RE: [IceHorses] New farrier
>>> But what do you consider hot and dry? Hot is in the 90's or even the 100's. How much does the air humidity really have to do with it? I really don't know. I see the most wear and tear when the horses are standing on rock hard clay, stomping at flies. Our humidity will be high, but the ground will be like stone. I've always assumed the hard ground was as much or more of a factor as the humidity, since they are not as prone to chips when we get some rain along and the ground is softer... I do know that it's very different in the winter here when we have mud - a whole 'nuther set of problems then. I try to keep some gravel around the water troughs and keep the drainage as well under control as we can then. What did your horse's feet do in Virginia? A small chip in my climate could easily lead to a huge chunk breaking off the hoof. And my horse's hooves are like steel. Every farrier comments on how hard the hooves are. Good for the horse, but with hard hooves like that, it's just as easy for the hoof to have a huge chunck come out as a little chip. That's why I ask about the mustang roll. I'm just playing devils advocate because I encounter a lot of folks who sound like the barefoot idea is new, and an all or nothing...and that there's only one way to do it. Is the mustang roll really so important, or just a new catch-phrase? I can't say that I remember having a huge hunk break out of one of my horses' hoofs and my horses' hoofs are very hard too. A few chips on a few horses, yes, when it's really dry and hot, but nothing very big, and most of the horses don't get any chipping. And the horses with what I'd consider the hardest feet seem to have the fewest chips. I don't know. Are we sure it's the hardness of the hoofs, or a matter of how the hoofs are trimmed/balanced? And how often they are trimmed? Since we've had such good results, I tend to think it's how well they are trimmed and balanced, with the mustang roll being just a detail, not the "cure". There are so many factors to consider. I really don't know what it's like where you are - I can only speak to what my experience has been. I've had many barefoot horses and for so many years, with excellent results, but granted we don't all have the same climates. I've had 20-25 horses for three years, then 10-18 for 2-3 years before that, and eight for most of the first 13 years we owned horses. That's a good many barefoot horse-hours, with virtually no problems. I have local friends with similar histories too...And we've been doing virtually the same thing with our horse's feet, under the guidance of a good farrier for longer than FWIW, we don't have a lot of rocks here. The extremes we fight are the rock hard clay in the summer, and the thick,deep clay mud in the winter, neither of which are great to deal with. We ride on lightly rocky trails barefoot, but use some sort of hoof boots if the trails are more rugged. I've asked my farrier about mustang rolls before. He said he could do them, but asked why I wanted them. (But he didn't ask me in any mean way - he's a natural teacher, and anytime I ask anything, he asks questions back, to keep me thinking. He's a tester for the younger farriers, and has spearheaded our active farrier association's education efforts for years. He encourages questions.) In fact, he did one for me the last time I asked, just to show me exactly what they are in detail. I couldn't tell that it held up any differently. I couldn't give him a good reason to do them - we aren't having any problems after all this time. It's just my perspective - I certainly wouldn't turn away the farrier with the best track record in the area (with the big hoof issues: founder, navicular, restoring big lick horses to soundness, etc) simply because he doesn't normally do a mustang roll. He has a great track record and is a professional in an area that I'm not, so I give him the professional courtesy of choosing the details he's comfortable with. He's never let us down in all these years. I have my own areas of expertise, and I expect my clients to respect the areas in which I do have experience and perspective. I like to offer him the same courtesy - he certainly knows more than I do. Karen Thomas
RE: [IceHorses] short neck
you dont think he has stalion piggy eyes do you... Nope, I'm very aware of those. Joe has them, and even Melnir to a slight degree. Does GB have them? I never noticed them in his pictures. Karen Thomas
RE: [IceHorses] New farrier
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Still the chips and small cracks they may get - usually in the hottest and driest weather - are minor and get removed with every trimming. << But what do you consider hot and dry? Dry here is humidity in the single digits. I used to be from Virginia, and dry there was humidity in the 60's. A small chip in my climate could easily lead to a huge chunk breaking off the hoof. And my horse's hooves are like steel. Every farrier comments on how hard the hooves are. Good for the horse, but with hard hooves like that, it's just as easy for the hoof to have a huge chunck come out as a little chip. Especially with gravel and rocks. However, I have mostly sand, so it is not enough gravel and rock to have them shod. Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
On 5/31/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Janice, > > Where did you get the rope halter in a color? > > Nancy > they have them at Jeffers.com! I like the ones by weaver leather company. They have two ropes across the nose instead of one thin hard one. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] short neck
On 5/31/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> well they say we start looking just like our dogs, so maybe I am looking > like Nasi, we both got no neck :) > > Seriously, I don't think Nasi's neck is very short for an Icelandic - and I > say that from having seen him in person more than from pictures. What I DO > remember thinking about him is that his neck is fairly high-set - not a bad > thing - and I think it shows more development, typical of a colt gelded > rather late - the so-called "stallion neck." And, no Janice, I don't think > you have a "stallion neck". :) > > > Karen Thomas, NC > you dont think he has stalion piggy eyes do you... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] New farrier
On 31/05/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't follow that. Why would strong hoofs make a horse more likely to have > cracks or white line disease? And how would a mustang roll help? I know > that's what a few people say, but I've never followed that logic. My horses > with strong hoofs (which is most of them) rarely get any cracks...In fact, > isn't that the definition of strong hoofs, that they don't crack? That's the thingthey DON'T crack (not in the normal sense that you could look at the foot and say...oh, that's cracked), ...nor do they give. The cracks come internally in the middle of the horn. You don't see it until you start filing away, and then you see the cracks and the stress on the hoof wall.. If the hoof isn't rolled...the longer breakover can cause too much pressure on the hoof. The mustang rolls works here. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Colors
and dont you wonder why some black horses dont fade?? if they are born jet black like that it usually means they will turn grey! just weird to me:) but that sure is a gorgeous black horse! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Color
On 5/31/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's Hunter - he's a TWH, registered as black. > > Nancy > he looks bay to me! you could have him color tested if you want... its fifty bucks. You pull out mane hair with tweezers and send it to UC Davis. It will show if he is base black or base red (chestnut) and if he is bay it will show he is DNA base black with bay allele positive. and will also tell you if he has cream dilute, and if he has that, then he is smokey black. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
I know that he is a chestnut with flaxen mane and tail but I always liked the term "chocolate palomino". I rode a little Morgan when I was a child that was what I would call a "sooty palomino" she was not too dark but was very dirty looking. I have always wanted a horse with that coloring since then. I have lately wondered if she had a silver gene. If I see that color in a photo, I will post it and see what you all think. Ann
RE: [IceHorses] color
I've never seen/heard founder being denied. Gosh, Cheryl, it's only been a week or two since we last discussed that, Cheryl, and others remember it well. And gee, I remember those discussions vividly and you were on the lists before I ever joined... Karen Thomas
RE: [IceHorses] color
That's why I originally signed up for the Icelandic color list, assuming (WRONG!) there would be some discussion about the potential for the color related health issues. Past that, all colors are pretty and nice to me. I joined that list because I owned a silver dapple breeding stallion - a color linked to the genetic eye disorder, ASD, in other breeds. But, instead of discussion on REAL issues like ASD, I saw mostly pretty colored horses, many with leg defects and inane discussions about eyelash color and other "serious" topics, like Nasi can't possibly be blue dun because Janice owns him and she's not a member of the Secret Color Society. I wonder why no one ever started an Icelandic Sound Leg Conformation list That might actually be helpful for the future of the breed, but maybe we discuss that sort of thing thoroughly enough on this list. BTW, neither Melnir nor Isak have WHITE eyelashes - they are more taupe/tan with silver interspersed. Interesting, huh? The fate of the breed hinges on such important details, I'm sure. You know the old saying: "No eyelashes, no horse," or is it, "White eyelashes, no horse." Ok, I made those sayings up... The inane-ness just baffles me... :) Karen Thomas. NC
Re: [IceHorses] color
On 5/31/07, IceDog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Frame is Frame, they are not different genetically. A heterozygous frame it > is fine. The problem a homozygous frame will die, lethal white it is called. > Breeding a frame to a frame gives you a 25% chance of producing a homozygous > frame, an all white foal that will die if not humanely put down. > > Cheryl > i thought this too... but someone on gaitedhorse group I think said there is a difference between frame overo and lethal white? Maybe he was wrong. he is a person who breeds specifically for overo, in fact, thinks he is developing his own new breed of speed racking overo frame horses and when i asked didnt he get worried about lethal white he flipped out about it. maybe the test for frame shows whether it can produce a homozygous lethal white?? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] color
> ...but it wasn't long ago that folks > denied that founder happens in this breed I've never seen/heard founder being denied. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
RE: [IceHorses] color
Thats where it gets complicated. but it gets really important when it comes to health issues. That's why I originally signed up for the Icelandic color list, assuming (WRONG!) there would be some discussion about the potential for the color related health issues. Past that, all colors are pretty and nice to me. I know it's claimed that there are no health links related to color in Icelandics, and I HOPE that's true...but it wasn't long ago that folks denied that founder happens in this breed, and I still don't think many people "get it" that we have an unusually common incidence of cryptorchidism compared to other breeds. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] short neck
>>> well they say we start looking just like our dogs, so maybe I am looking like Nasi, we both got no neck :) Seriously, I don't think Nasi's neck is very short for an Icelandic - and I say that from having seen him in person more than from pictures. What I DO remember thinking about him is that his neck is fairly high-set - not a bad thing - and I think it shows more development, typical of a colt gelded rather late - the so-called "stallion neck." And, no Janice, I don't think you have a "stallion neck". :) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] color
> well, my understanding is that there is a parameter for tobiano and > overo= tobiano is when the white corsses the back at some point. You're talking how people use appearance to describe the different colors. I talking genetics. Phenotype verses Genotype. > ANd people on other icelandic lists say > there is a DNA test for splash, right? I don't know that there is a test for SW, maybe? > how there could be separate DNA attributes for lethal white frame > overo and regular frame overo buit there is so must be something at > work other than color. Frame is Frame, they are not different genetically. A heterozygous frame it is fine. The problem a homozygous frame will die, lethal white it is called. Breeding a frame to a frame gives you a 25% chance of producing a homozygous frame, an all white foal that will die if not humanely put down. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
Re: [IceHorses] color
On 5/31/07, IceDog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I believe "Tovero" is a horse with Tobaino and > Frame Overo. But unless new info is out Tovero is not a separate genetic > color, but more like saying Dunskin (Dun + Buckskin). well, my understanding is that there is a parameter for tobiano and overo= tobiano is when the white corsses the back at some point. Overo is when the color crosses the back at some point. So then the problem comes when you have, say, a horse with all white over the back but one little black spot the size of a quarter right on the spine. thats an exaggeration, but you get my drift. How can you technically say the horse is purely tobiano if it has color on the spine. See? Thats where it gets complicated. but it gets really important when it comes to health issues. Like there isnt just overo, theres lethal white overo. Frame overo. but there is a DNA test for that. And a DNA test for tobiano i think. ANd people on other icelandic lists say there is a DNA test for splash, right? its hard for me to understand how there could be separate DNA attributes for lethal white frame overo and regular frame overo buit there is so must be something at work other than color. But splash has many characteristics of sabino in my opinion. The characterizations are very similar, a bald face, blue eyes maybe, stockings etc. and most sabinos are overo and splash's are all overo. arent they? anyway. There is a lot at work other than color and I dont think any of it is really important unless you are a breeder of color but what should be important to any and all interested in protecting a breed is that health issues and color should be closely kept an eye on! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] short neck
On 5/31/07, bia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > neck? what neck??? > well they say we start looking just like our dogs, so maybe I am looking like Nasi, we both got no neck :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Horse Color
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RE: [IceHorses] New farrier
My horses with strong hoofs (which is most of them) rarely get any cracks I'll amend that slightly. My older horses do show more wear in their hoofs than they used to, but I attribute that to aging. Their metabolisms just aren't like they used to be, and nutrition, general health,, etc. are very strong contributors to the health of their hoofs. They have other signs that their bodies aren't what they used to be...but so do I. Still the chips and small cracks they may get - usually in the hottest and driest weather - are minor and get removed with every trimming. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] New farrier
Two of my horses here need a mustang roll. The horn of their hoof is so dense and strong that if not watched it can cause problems with cracking in the hoof wall or ...heaven forbid...white line disease. I don't follow that. Why would strong hoofs make a horse more likely to have cracks or white line disease? And how would a mustang roll help? I know that's what a few people say, but I've never followed that logic. My horses with strong hoofs (which is most of them) rarely get any cracks...In fact, isn't that the definition of strong hoofs, that they don't crack? Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM
RE: [IceHorses] color
... I just think the associations come up with names for colors so they can include themselves in a club... any club... LOL... If it weren't for genetics some of these clubs would get away with real cons I think!) Gosh, isn't that the truth! You want to know a really funny one? Last spring, I sent pictures into this list of all my new foals, including Isak. He's silver dapple pinto (tobiano I think, but I could care less) with one blue eye. Figures right? I actually LIKE blacks and bays and chestnuts and I sort of won the "color lottery" with him when I could care less. (Don't worry - I "don't hate him because he's beautiful..." I love all colors...seriously I do.) Anyway, I wasn't too concerned about his color - he is what he is, and he's a darned nice baby. So, I still belong to the color list, but I think it's mostly boring and silly-cliquish, so I don't get individual e-mails and I don't check it on the website more than once every 3-4 months, if that. So, it was really hysterical to me when someone forwarded me a post from that list a few weeks after Isak was born. The writer said something about someone having an allegedly silver dapple pinto foal on the icehorses list, but (hiss, hiss) she didn't think the foal's eyelashes looked white, so she REALLY didn't think he is...! Oh come on. Isak is silver dapple pinto with one blue eye. How can you deny that? What other color would he be...Taupe? Mushroom? Stone? Cappuccino? I about rolled on the floor. Can you imagine - someone from thousands of miles away who had never seen my colt debating the color of his EYELASHES?!! What a "club!" Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] New farrier
On 31/05/07, bia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do the "mustang" roll too... mainly because my horses chip easily once the > weather gets dry in the toe and it helps prevent that from happening and a > crack developing that could conceivably move up ward. Two of my horses here need a mustang roll. The horn of their hoof is so dense and strong that if not watched it can cause problems with cracking in the hoof wall or ...heaven forbid...white line disease. I know a mustang roll works for those two, and doesn't hurt the rest, so all of them get it. If I had a new farrier come out for the first timeI'd tell him that. Also, I make sure my horses are mannerly before the farrier ever touches them. We have the new mare still staying with us and because I haven't worked with her to determine how she is with her feet...she didn't get a trim this week. I don't leave that training up to the farrier. I believe that is my responsibility. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] New farrier
I do the "mustang" roll too... mainly because my horses chip easily once the weather gets dry in the toe and it helps prevent that from happening and a crack developing that could conceivably move up ward. I honestly don't think the idea of a chip or small crack moving up the hoof is as big a threat as most people think. I think the bigger issue is that the hoofs be trimmed in balance, and the horse is healthy overall. Most of my horses don't get chips, and when they do, they virtually always are so shallow that the next trim takes care of it, with no lingering signs. The chips we get are cosmetic, so I don't worry about it. I used to worry about every tiny chip, but not any more. I have bought a couple of horses who initially had out-of-balance hoofs, and until that was taken care of the chipping/cracking was more of an issue than after the foot got into balance. Of course, there are nutritional and genetic factors affecting the strength of the hoof wall too, so balance isn't the only issue. It's a complicated subject. The worst case of chipping/cracked hoofs we've ever had in a horse here was my old QH. We tried everything for him - biotin and every other imaginable supplement, hoof dressings, plastic crack patches, shoeing him at first, then barefoot, you name it, we tried it, for several years. Nothing helped. Finally, I decided to ignore them - they looked pretty bad to me, but even so, my farrier said they weren't big or deep enough to cause anything more than an eyesore, as long as we kept watch on them. (We did work on drainage in the pasture, to limit the mud he had to stand in during the rainy season, and we watched for any signs of thrush.) So, I stopped the "babying" and they didn't get any worse. They stayed consistent, until he had the laminitis from the early Cushing's disease. We treated the founder aggressively, and the screwiest thing happened. His feet grew back with no cracks. My vet hadn't heard of it at the time, but now, looking back, we are pretty sure what happened. He was a little gimpy when I bought him, but I didn't have his feet x-rayed. Our best guess is that he had a mild-moderate founder before we got him...we think he probably had some rotation of the coffin bone, and that the internal stress was what was causing the crack. Having the lamina die from the founder that we witnessed was painful for him and stressful for me, but it gave us a good chance to reshape his foot in a way that is almost impossible once the lamina have grown back. At any rate, there was nothing we could do from the outside for the cracks, but at least that was one positive from that laminitis episode. Anyway, these are just some of my experiences, using one very good farrier for a long time, with some new horses, and some I've had the entire time we've used him...I'm no expert on the subject, but we've certainly had a lot of healthy feet for a long time...and I know who I give most of that credit to. :) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] color
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 04:33:06PM -0400, bia wrote: > NOWuggghhh... there is the most ridiculous conversation going on re > "color" on the naturaltwh list... if I was confused about "paints" before, > I'm dumbfounded now... I just think the associations come up with names for > colors so they can include themselves in a club... any club... LOL! Not one > person has spoken genetics yet as far as I've read but names for > colors...they sure are into that! sounds like certain human cultures, at that --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] color
> aren't consistent either. (Tovero does exist, Tovero doesn't exist... > Tovero??? I mean, I was just getting the hang of Tobiano... sigh...I give > up! If it weren't for genetics some of these clubs would get away with > real > cons I think!) I think there are four recognized genetic pinto patterns. Tobiano Sabino Frame (overo) Splashed White I think when you start getting multiple pinto patterns on one horse and you start seeing fancy names. I believe "Tovero" is a horse with Tobaino and Frame Overo. But unless new info is out Tovero is not a separate genetic color, but more like saying Dunskin (Dun + Buckskin). Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
Re: [IceHorses] color
On 31/05/07, bia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think I've ever confused a dun with a faded black, not faded > black... I have confused a very dark bay with black though not good to > try to determine color like that though in a photo. I agree. Solon always looks black in pictures. But in person he's a deep chocolate brown. The camera doesn't always pick up the subtle difference. Wanda
[IceHorses] color
I don't think I've ever confused a dun with a faded black, not faded black... I have confused a very dark bay with black though not good to try to determine color like that though in a photo. NOWuggghhh... there is the most ridiculous conversation going on re "color" on the naturaltwh list... if I was confused about "paints" before, I'm dumbfounded now... I just think the associations come up with names for colors so they can include themselves in a club... any club... LOL! Not one person has spoken genetics yet as far as I've read but names for colors...they sure are into that! If someone was trying to actually learn something, they'd be pretty hard pressed. Seems the association websites aren't consistent either. (Tovero does exist, Tovero doesn't exist... Tovero??? I mean, I was just getting the hang of Tobiano... sigh...I give up! If it weren't for genetics some of these clubs would get away with real cons I think!) "By endurance we conquer" - Ernest Shackleton
Re: [IceHorses] short neck
neck? what neck??? "By endurance we conquer" - Ernest Shackleton
Re: [IceHorses] short neck
Is that one of those "does this skirt make my butt look big?" questions? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] New farrier
I do the "mustang" roll too... mainly because my horses chip easily once the weather gets dry in the toe and it helps prevent that from happening and a crack developing that could conceivably move up ward. "By endurance we conquer" - Ernest Shackleton
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
Janice, Where did you get the rope halter in a color? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
> A young girl who knew Tivar when he was young went with her class to UC > Davis vet school for a day of tours and lectures. When she cam back she > told > me she learned he was a "chocolate palomino". ( maybe another term for > sorrel flaxen ?) I think she was mistaken. I know when I first learned of the color "smoky" I saw smokies everywhere. :o) I have heard smokies called dark or chocolate palominos. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
RE: [IceHorses] New farrier
He's coming off a kick injury where he was laid up for months which makes him a little gun shy of the hind legs and he goes to the neck rope a little soon for my comfort When I hear about some of the accidents that farriers have been involved with, I wonder how the heck they aren't all 100% gun shy! It's hard work, and they work in a vulnerable position. I think back about how quickly I'd take some defensive action or another after I broke my back - well, my gun shyness did get better, but it took some time - and I most certainly too gun shy to ever take up farriery! I don't want a farrier that is to quick to react for sure, but I'd give a good farrier a pass on that for a few times. >>> He doesn't bevel the edges (mustang roll) Ok...taking a deep breath here, fearing I will stir up a hornet's nest...how important is it that he do the mustang roll? My farrier doesn't do one and my horses do fine. I've had many horses barefoot for over 15 years now - maybe 17, I can't remember. The farrier I use was a barefoot proponent (whenever feasible) long before the current generation of "barefoot trimmers" came into fashion. I've seen many horses age soundly over the years while under his care - my own horses and others in the community. He's done wonderful work rehabbing many foundered horses, navicular horses, etc., including working miracles on my own three laminitic cases. (All three of our cases returned to barefoot within 2-3 months of shoeing; Holly has been barefoot and sound since her last case, over ten years ago.) I saw the great work he did taking my ex-Big Lick TWH gelding from padded to barefoot and sound. As far as I'm concerned, he's a miracle worker. The proof is in the pudding - he has way too many sound 30+-year-old horses in his practice that are barefoot and sound for me to question him...and a few that he's made sound by the judicious use of shoes when needed. But, he doesn't do a mustang roll...and I could care less! This isn't meant to go to you personally, Susan, so I'm not really talking to you. But I think a lot of us on this list are professionals in one field or another. I am, and I take pride in my work, my experience and sometimes even my "style" of doing things. In every profession, there is almost always many ways to approach any given task. Nothing ticks me off more than going to help a client in distress only to have them want to micromanage my every decision. I welcome my clients to ask questions about what I do, and why I do things the way I choose to - I'm good at what I do, and my work will stand up to scrutiny, but if someone has a new tidbit to share, I'll certainly listen. But, I do expect people to respect my professionalism, and to trust me to do things the best way I know how. I suspect most farriers would like the same courtesy. If you get a good farrier, do you really need to tell him exactly how to do his job, down to every detail? I know it's tough at first, arriving at the point where you trust his work. I've had a bad farrier or two myself, and it's a touchy, frustrating time, while you're building that respect - and the respect should be mutual. I'd say, if you want your farrier to act like a professional, then give him the respect a professional deserves. If he doesn't prove worthy of the respect, that's time to move on, but if he's a professional, I'd dare say he knows a lot more on the subject of farriery than most of us on this list know... Karen Thomas
Re: [IceHorses] Cues for Nickering
> I've got Gloi nickering frequently and reinforcing with clicks and > treats. I think we're ready to put it on cue, but am having trouble > deciding on a cue. I point at him to get him to smile, ask a question > in a high voice for him to shake his head yes and use a low voice to > get him to say no. I would like a distinct cue for nicker, but can't > think of one. Anyone have any ideas? Anyone else have their horse > nickering on cue? What do you use? Hi Anna, good job with the behaviors!! With Ljufur, to get him to nicker at first, I would lean into him and make a little nicker noise myself, so eventually it faded back to me standing away from him and slightly (imperceptibly) leaning in and saying "What do you say, Lju?" But he also knew some signs from ASL, for example the T stood for "tongue". When I'd give him the ASL sign, he'd stick out his tongue. So you can put behaviors on very subtle hand / finger cues and they can learn them. Also, don't discount that they can learn words, so you can also try to put it on a word cue (i.e. "talk to me"). Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
he is sorrel flaxen. I was teasing:) > Janice < A young girl who knew Tivar when he was young went with her class to UC Davis vet school for a day of tours and lectures. When she cam back she told me she learned he was a "chocolate palomino". ( maybe another term for sorrel flaxen ?) Ann
[IceHorses] Re: Cues for Nickering
> get him to say no. I would like a distinct cue for nicker, but can't > think of one. Anyone have any ideas? Have you tried a hand signal? You could start a conversation and then pause...give hand signal...like the horse is interrupting you to correct some information. SOunds like fun!
RE: [IceHorses] dark dun
Snortwhy does everyone keep calling him faded black? Is there a joke I'm missing? Uh, yeah...some of the self-professed color experts in this breed have in the past refused to grant Janice admission to the VERY ELITE Colored Icelandic Horse Society. They refuse to believe that Nasi is dun, even though 1) his DNA shows that he can be nothing else (his IS DNA black, is not bay, not smoky black, not liver chestnut - so what's left...?), 2) he has a dun parent, and one parent must be dun for a foal to be dun and 3) he has the secondary dun characteristics (including a distinct dorsal stripe, shoulder barring, some slight zebra striping on his legs, the very dark face that fades to a lighter body) and 4) normal eyes would tell any sensible person that he IS dun! I think it's the "there goes the neighborhood" reaction that many of us non-zillionaire Icelandic owners have been greeted with when we dared to buy our horses. Darn - I hate to see that! ;) Janice's exclusion from this serious society was going on when I went to pick up Svertla almost exactly a year ago. Seriously, I was shocked to see what Nasi looked like in person, given the hullabaloo over his color by some folks playing color geneticists. He was dark blue dun... it could nothing else, it was obvious from appearances. Of course, I ONLY saw him in person immediately after he shed out and wasn't sun-faded. The much more astute and knowledgeable "experts" were making their judgments from 3000-10,000 miles away, based on a few winter pictures. Think I should bow to the much greater authorities...? :) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
>>> How about Harley. What is he? He is too big for the group. 16 hands. He's beautiful. I had a 16.1H QH for 13 years. He was my first horsey soul-mate. I still miss him. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] short neck
ok I can take it, does my Nasi have a too-short neck?? Janice Does it reach all the way to the ground for grazing? If so, it's long enough. :) Eitill has a very short neck and is one of the easiest gaiting horses around. He's a great trail horse. We aren't planning on doing any dressage, so who cares...? Not me! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] weather heads up
The good news for Florida is that moderate > wind shear should prevent much development beyond a weaker tropical > storm, so the main effect across the state will be the potential for > heavy rainfall, something Florida could really use. Whoo hoo!! I hope you get some rain! I also hope that it STAYS AWAY in early July when we will be in St. Petersburg area! :) Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
he is sorrel flaxen. I was teasing:) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] dark dun
On 5/31/07, Robyn Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Pretty color, but...what exactly do you do w/ a QH that has legs that short?! > > Robyn > > you rope very short cows. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] dark dun
On 5/31/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 31/05/07, susan cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Snortwhy does everyone keep calling him faded black? Is there a > joke I'm missing? > > Wanda > because you see, wanda, these endangered rare presenynskmi horses signature color is very dark dun which many think is actually faded bkack but dna black with dun factor IS dark dun... janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] New farrier
>Showing up is a majoy factor. Why are shoers so >flakey? It is hard to find a good one. Lorraine, flakey is a good term for most of the owners my husband complains about when doing there horses that are ill mannered and for the most part, dangerous to their owners. Do you think farriers enjoy having to recover from 3 months of injury from a horse who hurt them and be without pay? I am amazed at the tortures my husband endures from owners who will never work with their horses, and he keeps going back because they are good people, just not good owners. I worked with each of my horses before I had my husband trim them, and I found that if I couldn't take my hoof pick and wrap on there feet just like he does to shoe them, I wouldn't ask him to. I bought my impatient horses some slip on shoes for there feet when I go on rocky rough rides. Farriers are some of the nicest guys and gals you can meet, and patience, unending. Spend a day with a farrier, trimming and shoeing 6-10 horses a day and see what I mean. The best most owners give there horses is picking out there hooves before a ride and you would be amazed at how many I have seen that don't even do that. Only time there hooves are touched is when the farrier comes. Pretty pathetic don't you think. Jeannette
Re: [IceHorses] nat geographic moment
when my brother lived in Yuma, AZ in the > Marines-- What the heck do the Marines do in AZ? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] New farrier
--- susan cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I finally got a new farrier. Why can't I find a > farrier that I like 100%?? Some things I like about > the new one: > Showing up is a majoy factor. Why are shoers so flakey? It is hard to find a good one. Do you ride your Iceys barefoot? I have nikes for mine. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
> > > > Karen Thomas, NC > > > > here is my dark russet palomino, Tivar. with his > best friend. > Janice-- > yipie tie yie yo > Tivar is considered a palomino? I thought he was a sorrel. Whatever he is I want him. He is beautiful. Happy Trails from Lori Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Re: [IceHorses] dark dun
> here is a pic I got off the internet of a "dark dun" quarter horse for > sale. It seems the same color as nasi. Just a shade darker than even > the most dark duns... Pretty color, but...what exactly do you do w/ a QH that has legs that short?! Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] nat geographic moment
> here is the rare and endangered presceynzsky horse gazing around the > tundra making sure there are no lions hiding in the heavy brush and > dense forest. Ha--great pic Janice! I can't believe that your horses actually grow a coat down where you are! My Shadow's winter coat didn't look much longer than your boy's, and we had a number of below zero days this past winter. Maybe it's like when my brother lived in Yuma, AZ in the Marines--when it got down to the 70's he had a winter coat on. Going back to Virginia was a trial for him for a few months. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] dark dun
On 5/31/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 31/05/07, susan cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Gee, I don't know - hm - I think he is faded > > black > > Snortwhy does everyone keep calling him faded black? Is there a > joke I'm missing? > > Wanda > sigh. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] nat geographic moment
On 31/05/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > can see. These type primitive equines eat only microscopic rhysomes > growing on grains of sand. he is so full of rhyzomes and exhausted he > had to take a nap before foraging on, ever on. > Janice I don't know JaniceI can think of two indoor riding arenas that would kill for your footing. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
he's giving him a little love nibble. gee i wonder how the gate got bent. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] dark dun
On 31/05/07, susan cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gee, I don't know - hm - I think he is faded > black Snortwhy does everyone keep calling him faded black? Is there a joke I'm missing? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] dark dun
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > here is a pic I got off the internet of a "dark dun" > quarter horse<< Gee, I don't know - hm - I think he is faded black Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
[IceHorses] gait study
FYI from The Horse online: Gait Analysis by: Les Sellnow April 01 2007 Article # 9310 Article Tools There has been a long journey over a relatively short span of time in the world of equine gait analysis. The first studies utilized high-speed cameras and a treadmill and took place at the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences some 35 years ago, with Sune Persson, DVM, PhD, as one of the guiding lights. Today, that rudimentary science has evolved at an ever-increasing rate to the point where miniature computerized sensors are capable of recording and analyzing equine movement. The various applications of this technology also have grown. One of the prime functions continues to be evaluation of lameness, but it also has been highly important in the field of research; recording, for example, just how the hock joint functions in the working horse. A leading researcher during this technology growth spurt has been Hilary Clayton, BVMS, PhD, MRCVS, Mary Anne McPhail Dressage Chair in Equine Sports Medicine at Michigan State University. Another researcher who has helped take the technology to a new level is Kevin Keegan, DVM, MS, Dipl. ACVS, associate professor of veterinary medicine and surgery at the University of Missouri. He has pioneered development of a wireless method for recording and analyzing equine movement with the use of inertial sensors. We'll hear from both of them as they describe progress in the gait analysis field and report on the ways veterinary medicine is using the latest technological advances. Before we do that, however, it would be well to allow Clayton to take us on a little journey through time to chronicle just how these many advances have come about. In the Beginning The "journey" begins well before the Swedish researchers began their landmark studies. A man named Leland Stanford, better known as a railroad magnate and the founder of Stanford University in California, also was a racing enthusiast who owned a world record-holding trotting horse named Occident. Stanford, Clayton tells us, believed that there was an aerial phase to the trot. He hired Eadweard James Muybridge, a landscape photographer, who proved Stanford's point in 1877. Up to that time, photographic techniques required lengthy exposure times and produced blurry images of moving objects. It had long been acknowledged that the equine limbs moved faster than the human eye could decipher, but there was little in the way of photographic equipment that could do much better. Muybridge developed photographic plates with faster exposure times, and as a result, presented Stanford with a rather blurry image of Occident in the airborne phase of the trot. Muybridge expanded his work, taking tens of thousands of sequential still photographs of people and animals engaged in various tasks and gaits. Next came one of his contemporaries, Etienne-Jules Marey, who developed a photographic gun in which the film actually revolved to record a series of pictures. This, Clayton tells us, was the precursor of the cine-camera, which would receive its greatest usage in the motion picture industry. Soon, there was high-speed cinematography and short exposure times that allowed collection of high-quality scientific films that could be analyzed to study gaits and locomotion. But, Clayton says, high-speed cameras were finicky to use, and there was considerable lag time between making the recording and viewing the results. Some of the time element problems were solved with the arrival of videography and the resultant videotapes. Clayton describes how computers changed the scene: "Analysis of cine-films and videotapes was tedious in the early years, since the process was entirely manual. Computerization has facilitated this process, and today, fully automated systems are available. The motion analysis system at the McPhail Center (at Michigan State) tracks reflective markers on the subject using eight infrared cameras. The cameras are strobed and can be set to record from 60 to 2,000 frames per second. The markers are tracked in three-dimensional space in real time. "A computer-generated stick figure is produced that can be rotated and zoomed to give a detailed view of the motion from any perspective," Clayton continues. "Interestingly, the primary market for these systems is now the entertainment industry, where they are used in computer animations and video games. With regard to motion analysis, computerization has enabled us to gather vast amounts of data in a short space of time and to perform computational tasks that would have been impossible only a few years ago." Progress in the gait analysis field received a major boost in the late 1960s and early 1970s, when Swedish researchers led the way in the use of high-speed cinematography to analyze gaits, especially in trotting Standardbreds. The group also pioneered the use of the treadmill, and soon the combination of high-speed cinematography and the treadmill was providing val
[IceHorses] dark dun
here is a pic I got off the internet of a "dark dun" quarter horse for sale. It seems the same color as nasi. Just a shade darker than even the most dark duns... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo <>
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's Lina, Good Girl Palamino. > > Lina is a therapy horse for a disabled young woman > who lets our adopted daughter Stephanie (shown) come > ride every now and then. > She is so cute. She looks like Scooter. Happy Trails from Lori Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [IceHorses] Scooter in the Pines
> > > Wow, he's turning really gold! > > Yah. I love his summer color. He has a dun type stripe happening on his back Happy Trails from Lori Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
