[IceHorses] Re: You tube woes
> and my video was linked to a 'fat ugly horses' website. > Hello Anna, You are showing a lot of grace under pressure. Personally I would like to congratulate you in your taste in horses. Chestnuts geldings with flaxen manes and tails are beautiful. My Blessi looks just like your gelding--even unto the blaze and split mane. We both have handsome horses. And you know those big butts come in handy as powerful motors as we tolt merrily down the road. Personally, I can't ride a side pass bareback (I don't ride bareback at all) and I admire your ability. I'll be the second member of your "Mean People Suck" club. Hang in there!!! Regards, Pamela
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PetEdge is voluntarily recalling Top Performance brand ProDental Toothpaste with Toothbrush kit because the toothpaste could contain diethylene glycol. Diethylene glycol is found in antifreeze and other solvents. For more info http://tinyurl.com/3c5ubs Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] Rescue Horses
Joanne of the gaitedhorse list posted this link: http://www.equineadoption.com/order.htm There are a lot of horses there, and I like looking at the pictures, some are "before" and some "after". Conformation is another thing to check out. Look at Jane Doe's before and after pictures! Woo! Beautiful black. In her trot picture, she is ventroflexed... short top line, long underline. There's a couple of gorgeous ponies there, too. Pintos, my favorite! Tesoro is yummy! Judy
[IceHorses] Re: Another Charm Video / Drifa
> Drifa will also back when I pull on her tail but she's still a little > hesitant. She seems worried that she will bump into me. It's getting > better, though. Yeay, Drifa! Penny, can you get a video? Ljufur was so good at it. That was with no rope, no pull on the tail, just asking him to back up to me. I put my arms out to the side, so that he knew, for sure, where I was, and he'd stop exactly in the right spot without bumping me. Do you think that might help Drifa? Judy
RE: [IceHorses] Change Makers / Positive Deviance
Let's here it for Anna, for standing up to take the heat Oh good grief, I meant it as praise, so I should at least spell it right...Let's HEAR it for Anna! Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1135 - Release Date: 11/16/2007 10:58 PM
[IceHorses] Change Makers / Positive Deviance
Let's here it for Anna, for standing up to take the heat Absolutely! It takes a big person (and a smart one) to consider the horse, not follow blindly, and think outside of the box for different and better ways to do things. Here is info about Change Makers from Karen Pryor: What people do when you start to institute a change (in chronological order) [] Ignore you [] Pretend to agree but actually do nothing [] Resist, delay, obstruct [] Openly attack you (the dangerous phase, but also a sign that change is starting) [] Absorb [] Utilize [] Take credit [] Proselytize What people say in the process of accepting the change: [] "That might work for your population but not for mine." (absorbing) [] "I can use it but not for anything important." (absorbing and utilizing) [] "Some of my people can use it if they feel they need to." (utilizing) [] "Oh yes, we've been doing that for years, it's quite good." (utilizing and taking credit) [] "We've come up with a really incredible program, you should try it." (taking credit and proselytizing) How the change maker can react effectively: [] When they ignore you, find allies and persist. [] Don't be misled by lip service. Find allies and persist. [] Meet resistance with persistence. Move around the resistance; try other avenues. [] The stage of open attack is a touchy time. [] Keep your head down, but persist. Don't take the attack personally, even if it is a personal attack. Attack is information; it tells you: [] You're getting somewhere: change IS happening, causing extinction-induced aggression. [] Your attacker is frightened. Empathize. [] Your attacker still believes in the efficacy of aversives. [] Absorbing and utilizing: this stage can last a year or more. Maintain generous schedules of reinforcement. They're taking credit for your idea? By all means, let them; your goal is the change. Credit is a low-cost reinforcer and people who want it don't satiate. Give it away in buckets. Are they pitching the change? Good. If you want to change something else, you now have new allies. More on Positive Deviance separately. Judy
RE: [IceHorses] Re: You tube woes / Change Makers
>>>Maybe some of the people who are ready to see a non-forceful method along with the positive comments will benefit from the video. Anna, all I can say is, "You go, girl." I'm proud of your spunk! >>>If they want to slam me on their 'mean people's' list, oh well. >>When we are Change Makers, thinking outside of the box, and practicing positive deviance, there are certain things that happen. Let's here it for Anna, for standing up to take the heat Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM
[IceHorses] Re: You tube woes / Change Makers
> I know I have a decent seat and I also know that a person riding > bareback's seat will look wrong. It doesn't matter if our seat looks like a chair seat or wrong. We're not bracing in the stirrups. It is having less impact on the horse than a saddle, and we are more able to sit in the spot aligning our COM with the horse's COM. >>> I tried to disable comments yesterday, but couldn't figure it out. I'll post this info for others who may want to disable comments: Login to your youtube account. Go to the video or the My Videos page and click onto "edit video info". Scroll down to the last section called "Sharing Options". Click onto "Don't allow comments", or the option of allowing you to approve comments before they are posted. Save your changes by clicking onto "Update Video Info". >>> and my video was linked to a 'fat ugly horses' website. I searched for it, but could not find it there. >>>and got rid of the link. Anna, do you still have access to what the link address is? If so, can you send it to me off-list? >>>Maybe some of the people who > are ready to see a non-forceful method along with the positive > comments will benefit from the video. You are absolutely correct. >>>If they want to slam me on their 'mean people's' list, oh well. When we are Change Makers, thinking outside of the box, and practicing positive deviance, there are certain things that happen. Let me put those things in a separate post. Judy
[IceHorses] Re: You tube woes / Compressing Video
> They are compressed, under 100MB. You can do that with Windows Movie Maker. It's a free download. > Thanks Judy! I'll give it a whirl... If you need any help, let me know. Judy
[IceHorses] Re: ebay goodies
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfraendi83 If you don't have Christine's books, you will enjoy them. Sleipnir is very good! Judy
[IceHorses] Re: Another Charm Video
>>> How about if you try it. > Oh, Judy, that's just so reasonable. Do you need any help in getting started? I'm sure he's smart and will be able to tell the difference. I'd start with give to pressure on backing up from the front. Pressure on the bridge of his nose, on the chest, with a stick, tapping on the ground, all sorts of ways to ask for the "back up" as he learns to give to pressure and learns the move. That will make it easier to ask for it from a different position. If he needs more help, you can do the give to pressure for a turn on the hindquarters, and turn on the fore. Charm caught on pretty fast. The lead rope under her belly (between her legs) helps bring the head down. She is rope savvy; you'd have to make sure that your horse is very used to ropes in that area. Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Bia / Appy
hey thanks for asking... she is doing GREAT! really really great. I even rode her once and even though my fiance said she was a real brat... she was great for me. I like her alot. Bia
Re: [IceHorses] Engineer Jokes
And now that I have put that out there ... I will have to remember some of the good ones... Penny
Re: [IceHorses] Another Charm Video
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=cXnZHAg_fzk > > How many horses do we have here that can back up by > pressure on their tail? > > She's not that good about holding the "smile" yet, but > she did really well on backing up by her tail! You > can see that the lead rope is slack. > > > No hesitation, no "what the heck?", she knew exactly > what it was and fixed it. Drifa will also back when I pull on her tail but she's still a little hesitant. She seems worried that she will bump into me. It's getting better, though. Penny
Re: [IceHorses] Re: You tube woes
On Nov 15, 2007 9:07 PM, blessiowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The horse, in its behavior and performance, > is very revealing as to what we are...If you are truly comforable with > and following the right path for the horse, then you should never feel > or have the need to defend your methods. Others around you may, in > rather creative ways, try to cover the personal threat they feel from > the Deep Worker. Don't take it personally, just know it and recognize > it for what it is, a weakness in those individuals." (p. 33) > > Congratulations on being a Deep Worker and the lovely relationship you > have built with your horse. Please keep posting those video because as > a beginning rider I learn from, and am inspired by, these examples. > > Regards, Pamela Got more alerts that there were new comments, most were from the list. Thank you for that. Your comments there and here on the list have really helped. Unfortunately the last two there were comments from the same person who first said that I had a terrible seat and that if I didn't learn to ride I should stick to my lazy chair. Well I know I have a decent seat and I also know that a person riding bareback's seat will look wrong. I bet she's never seen herself ride bareback if she's ever had the nerve to ride a horse bareback especially teaching new things like sidepassing, turns on the forehands etc. Her second comment told me to get off the horse because there is something wrong with him because of the way he twists his head around oh and he kicked at a fly. I guess she didn't noticed how relaxed (being dropped) he was. I may be wrong, but I don't think a horse could that relaxed while in pain and I guess she has no clue as to what a flexible horse looks like. I tried to disable comments yesterday, but couldn't figure it out. Oh and my video was linked to a 'fat ugly horses' website. I was just going to remove the video, but thought of what Pamela said and the Liz Graves quote. I'll leave the video. I did figure out how to disable future comments and got rid of the link. Maybe some of the people who are ready to see a non-forceful method along with the positive comments will benefit from the video. If they want to slam me on their 'mean people's' list, oh well. If I were computer savvy enough, I would link their site to my newly developed site which would simply be titled MEAN PEOPLE SUCK! -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] Reading? Virginia?
>> Water for Elephants (just started it...what a great start - draws you right in) I love this book! read it in 2 days!! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] trivia question
I would say Apollo. He's the one who pulls the sun across the sky with his team of horses. Annie
Re: [IceHorses] Turkeys and OT turkey question
two old toms that are driving me crazy. They get very mean > in spring and fall when mating season comes. I think this is why > originally people started killing them around fall for thanksgiving > cause i am thinking of it myself. I have a healing cut on my hand, a > defensive wound from one of them jumping me and spurring. My husband > gets all mad when i bring a critter home but after the first day then > we cant get rid of it for any reason. so now i am being punished for > life for bringing these turkeys home. standing on the ground their > heads come to chest height on me. > Janice-- > yipie tie yie yo Janice: Stupid question: why don't you just eat them? Or have you named them? Anneliese
[IceHorses] You tube woes
> > > ...but how do people put those long videos on there?<< > They are compressed, under 100MB. You can do that with Windows Movie Maker. It's a free download. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/moviemaker2.mspx http://www.download.com/Windows-Movie-Maker/3000-2194_4-10187903.html Judy Thanks Judy! I'll give it a whirl... Trish
[IceHorses] Reading? Virginia?
> > > > > I read more than one book at a time too. Me too! Water for Elephants (just started it...what a great start - draws you right in) Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (first Harry Potter book I've read) The Margarets (by my favorite SF writer - Sherri Tepper) A Tooth from the Tiger's Mouth (about Chinese medicine) Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Another Charm Video
Oh, Judy, that's just so reasonable. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: Another Charm Video
> I don't think Hunter would back up from his tail, but I also think, since I > "tail" him when I get tired of hiking, that he might be confused if > sometimes I wanted him to pull me along with his tail and sometimes I wanted > him to come back toward me. > > What do you think? How about if you try it? Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Another Charm Video
I don't think Hunter would back up from his tail, but I also think, since I "tail" him when I get tired of hiking, that he might be confused if sometimes I wanted him to pull me along with his tail and sometimes I wanted him to come back toward me. What do you think? We were all out walking our horses after an endurance ride - helps keep them limbered up - when I fell back and started letting Hunter pull me. Bev, our trainer friend, was surprised that he could do it. It' s never been a problem. He just does. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Reading? Virginia?
On Nov 16, 2007 10:17 AM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I love that question, Virginia. What are YOU reading? I read more than one book at a time too. I'm reading: What Horses Reveal Horse Barns Big & Small Wayfarers Redemption (SF novel) V (it's raining here too--all that snow we had is gone!)
[IceHorses] Reading? Virginia?
I love that question, Virginia. What are YOU reading? I normally have more than one book going at a time, so: Born on a Blue Day (book about Asberger's Syndrome) Land of a Thousand Hills The Click That Teaches Nancy - in Oregon where it's raining again
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
On Nov 15, 2007 6:41 PM, Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Annilese mentioned putting a fungicide on the hooves for non-healing > hoof cracks. I battled thrush with one of our horses for years. Seriously, over two years. Thrush, contracted heels, long toe/low heel. I have pictures around here that are NASTY. I really like Tomorrow, a dairy cow Mastitis treatment. We tried everything from Bleach, Betadine, Formaldyn, Thrushbuster, Keratex, etc... and the horse got to the point he'd refuse to pick his feet up because I was always hurting him with crap. The Tomorrow didn't work really quick, it took about 2 weeks, but it didn't seem to HURT when I applied it, and his hooves are healthy and fungus free a year later. (he's now barefoot and I trim him myself) Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
RE: [IceHorses] Another Charm Video
> I don't teach my horses to back that way, because I > like to be able to use > "tail pulls" as a back stretching exercise. Oh, sure, they can tell the difference. I can tail her up a hill, or pull her tail for a stretch, and now have added the give-to-pressure on the tail. If you look at it (analyze it), you don't use the same body frame for yourself, or your hand hold on the tail for pulling or giving. I think circumstances and intent also come into play. But they are smart enough to know the difference! Judy
RE: [IceHorses] Another Charm Video
How many horses do we have here that can back up by pressure on their tail? I don't teach my horses to back that way, because I like to be able to use "tail pulls" as a back stretching exercise. Do you know an easy way to distinguish the two requests, or do you just not bother with tail pulls? (It's an exercise that Loftur really seems to benefit from.) I'm sure that Charm's feelings about boys will change... :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Another Charm Video
> Just playing around with Charm: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=cXnZHAg_fzk How many horses do we have here that can back up by pressure on their tail? She's not that good about holding the "smile" yet, but she did really well on backing up by her tail! You can see that the lead rope is slack. She's pretty danged good about giving to pressure (and even the suggestion of pressure). At one point, with the bicycle bell, I asked her to ring it while it was held up higher. She tried, and she bumped into her halter because she was stepping on the lead rope. She figured it out immediately, without a pause, and lifted her foot off the lead rope, and rang the bell. No hesitation, no "what the heck?", she knew exactly what it was and fixed it. Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
> Shave. The hair does not protect them from heat > unless the air is warmer than horse (about 38 C > whatever that is in F). And even when it's warmer > the hair probably makes sweating less effective. > > Thank you. All this physics talk has me confused. LOL. I have shaved and need to again already. They are like mammoths in 80 degree weather. Lorraine Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
> Hey, does anyone remember hearing that Icelandic's get lethargic in the > fall, as they start growing their winter coats? I remember being told > somewhere that's because their bodies are diverting so much energy to hair > growth. That's not, true, is it... anyone...? Aren't they most likely a > little lethargic simply because they are hot? I bought into that at first but came to the same conclusion you did after some thought. Is there anywhere that it starts getting cold as soon as their hair starts to seriously come in (I would say around late August, early Sept.) and do they get lethargic in those locations? -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Engineer Jokes
On 11/16/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Optimist: "The glass is half full" Pessimist: "The glass is half > empty" Engineer: "The glass is twice as large as it should be" > My favorite engineer joke - it just defines them :-)) -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
RE: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
>>>Now the poor horses that land in Florida or AZ or southern CA are at mercy to its owners and their good sense. I don't think this is literally what you're talking about, Sylvia, but I've heard people imply that it's cruel to bring Icelandic's to the warm parts of the US. I do agree that we need to take action when they are uncomfortable, but for the record, my Icelandics seem to do wonderfully well in the heat in June-August - no difference from any other breed. In fact, I've noticed some really hot days when my non-icelandic's seek shade, but the Icelandic's voluntarily stay in the broiling sun, not appearing uncomfortable at all. The only times they seem at a disadvantage is when they have their winter coats. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
Long hair that doesn't go away during the summer. In a really hot area , when he sweats the moisture never gets to see the surface air to be evaporated. so shaving during the summer is a good idea. My Icelandic's shed out as sleek as any horse in the summer. A few don't shed quite soon enough to cope well with our warm spring weather in NC and I clip them, but mostly, mine do well in the heat of NC summers - as well as my non-Icelandic's. The tough time for Icelandics in NC is late summer through fall - mostly about September 1 - early December. Our weather can be hot this time, or at least very warm (not today, though) and the emerging fur is just too much for them. Hey, does anyone remember hearing that Icelandic's get lethargic in the fall, as they start growing their winter coats? I remember being told somewhere that's because their bodies are diverting so much energy to hair growth. That's not, true, is it... anyone...? Aren't they most likely a little lethargic simply because they are hot? Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
In a message dated 11/16/2007 8:14:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know I have been reading the talk about shaving and sweating of the Icelandic horses. I want to know the warmest day in Iceland and the warmest night? I think this horse was there for such a long time it probably has to have cold weather to be conformable, RIGHT? Now the poor horses that land in Florida or AZ or southern CA are at mercy to its owners and their good sense. I cannot see shaving a horse in Canada really, do you people do that? Summer there is what temp? Does any of this make sense? My horse is getting shaved on a section of his body to allow him to cool off better when ridden. Its eighty some here this week. Sylvia ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
Just thought I'd put in my 2-cents about the sweating. Most horses shed their winter fur when summer comes. this shorter hair allows the sweat to coat the hair and be evaporated, pulling heat away from the body.Kind of like the fins on a radiator. I think Darwin would agree, an Icy horse it has evolved to fit its environment. Long hair that doesn't go away during the summer. In a really hot area , when he sweats the moisture never gets to see the surface air to be evaporated. so shaving during the summer is a good idea.Dwight
RE: [IceHorses] Engineer Jokes
Optimist: "The glass is half full" Pessimist: "The glass is half empty" Engineer: "The glass is twice as large as it should be" Ok, now that the definition has been clarified, feel free to start the jokes. :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
>>> I am married to an engineer. Do I get to tell engineer jokes? Uh...oh, ok...sure. I'm married to an engineer too. Can you imagine a two-engineer family? . Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM
[IceHorses] ebay goodies
Hi everybody They say that Christmas is on its way and on my last trip to Germany I couldn't help myself and bought some little Icelandic gifts at Equitana that are now on ebay. Have a look if you are in need of some stocking stuffers. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfraendi83 or search Icelandic Horse Thanks and happy tolting Christine Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Waterer
> We have always enjoyed visiting Anneliese in KY - they have heated their > farmhouse there with wood-only (I think?) for all these years, and nothing is > more warming after a chilly, damp ride than to sit in front of a wood stove > with a nice glass of wine, chatting with friends, smelling Anneliese's > cooking. The new house they have under construction has a furnace, but still > has wood fireplaces. > Karen Just taking a break from oiling the trim... Yes we have two fireplaces in the new house. I need to add, for the benefit of all those who think that a plain fireplace is a good way to heat the house, that in order for that to be true, you need the air intake for the fireplace to come directly from the outside. Otherwise the fireplace takes warm air out of the room and when it is really cold outside that will cause a net heat loss to the house. We also have a wood-burning stove in the basement, again with an outside air supply. We have so much wood on the property that is would be a sin to not use it. OK, back to the salt mines... Anneliese
[IceHorses] Carol- New member
See you on the 23rd at my house. Everyone is welcome. Bring you Iceys Lorraine Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
> > I'm not tired - I love thinking about sciencey-stuff. But hey, I'm an > engineer, so whaddya expect from me...?! :) > > Actually, I've missed having you on the list, Penny, and am happy to have > you back for these discussions. Good to have a vet on board! Hi Karen; The vet thing will be a mixed blessing for all of you - I am sure. I am married to an engineer. Do I get to tell engineer jokes? Penny
[IceHorses] Engineer Jokes
> I am married to an engineer. Do I get to tell engineer jokes? Absolutely! Judy Optimist: "The glass is half full" Pessimist: "The glass is half empty" Engineer: "The glass is twice as large as it should be"
RE: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
> > Actually, I've missed having you on the list, Penny, > and am happy to have you back for these discussions. > Good to have a vet on board! > > Oh. You are a vet??? No wonder you are so smart. I really thought I was stupid. Lorraine Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] todays exaggeration
Wait right there! Your husband blanketed the horses in the dark? Where did you find him? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] holiday fun activities list
On Nov 16, 2007 10:52 AM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > here are some fun activities I plan to do this holiday vacation: Sounds like fun! >and make soup. Share the recipe! V
Re: [IceHorses] trivia question
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:55:01 -0600, you wrote: >who is the horse God in Greek mythology? > Poseidon. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Reading? Virginia?
> > I read more than one book at a time too. > > I'm reading: > Water for Elephants Tao of Equus (it seems like I'm always trying to make my way through this one) Curious Incident of the Dog at Nighttime (or something like that - great book - just finished it) Under Orders (Dick Francis' latest) To Kill A Mockingbird (just finished it for the 10th time - my favorite all time book - I can't wait to read the Harper Lee biography coming out)-- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
> Are you a VET?? boy do we have a lot of questions for YOU. I hope > you werent planning on just hanging out here in a chatty relaxing > non-professional mode :) > Janice-- > yipie tie yie yo > Oh, no, not a vet. I am a ... uh ... ditch digger. Yup, that's me. Digging ditches. Ain't never had much schooling. Penny
Re: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
Are you a VET?? boy do we have a lot of questions for YOU. I hope you werent planning on just hanging out here in a chatty relaxing non-professional mode :) Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] todays exaggeration
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:14:32 -0600, you wrote: >ok, you choose which is the exaggeration today: I think those are all true. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Was You tube woes - and that other rude website...
I thought Eitill is gorgeous. But to me he looks just like Nasi, who is actually about the best looking icelandic I have ever seen on the planet. oh that COLOR it is to die for. He is a minimally expressed overo dark dun paint and also has a very rare and razor sharp intelligence where he can look at a piece of hot pink plastic tape tied around an electric wire and know instantly if it will be able to pass through his gut safely or not and when it comes out the end several days later you can tell he planned it all along because he so enjoys all the expressions of wonderment when the other horses go over to sniff and rummage through it, totally perplexed that he is capable of such superior, brightly colored droppings smelling vaguely of plastic. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Was You tube woes - and that other rude website...
>>> I thought Eitill is gorgeous. You're a southerner, Janice - remember the first line in the novel, Gone With the Wind? (It's not in the movie.) It goes something like, "Scarlett O'Hara was not beautiful, but men seldom realized it when caught up in her charms, as were the Tarleton twins." You are simply one of many who were caught up in Eitill's charms. :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Re: New voice comment from janice mcdonald
> > What are you reading? > "Middlesex" by Jeffrey Eugenides. It won the pulitzer prize. Its about a Greek Hermaphrodite who grew up as a girl until puberty when she developed into a boy. its fascinating. you feel a lot of compassion for her/him. There are apparently three places in the world where the hermaphrodite gene is found, and when people in those parts of the world intermarry and have children they can pass one gene each and then it happens. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
>>> Is everyone tired of the science lesson? Have I just added to the >>> confusion? I'm not tired - I love thinking about sciencey-stuff. But hey, I'm an engineer, so whaddya expect from me...?! :) Actually, I've missed having you on the list, Penny, and am happy to have you back for these discussions. Good to have a vet on board! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Ivermectin
janice trivia, no exaggeration: When a river floods, fire ants cling onto one another and go with the flow so they can migrate as a nest to a new spot. An old man told me when he grew up in Elba Alabama a big flood came and his parents owned a store downtown so they all gathered with many townspeople on the second floor as the river broke some dike and came roaring through downtown. It went on all day and he said he saw globs of fire ants as big as automobiles floating down mainstreet. I just kept thinking of that over and over when that woman we rescued stali and svertla from told us how Stali was a "real stinker" when the river flooded and came through the little roundpen they were kept in and was "up to their chins" and how traumatic it was for HER to go out there and try to get them out. "I didnt even own a halter or leash!" she said, just still so upset that those horses had been such a HUGE inconvenience for her "I had to go out in my nightgown!" she cried. I'm sorry, but no river floods these days without you knowing about it days in advance... I still want to burn her house down or HEY, this would be cool, if I could somehow find a way to fill an automobile size container with fire ants and while she's sleeping at night just open it so they will fall out and swarm around her in her bed... (when even one fire ant bites its like burning fire and you get a little sore there that takes days to heal) i think in hell she will be in the fire ant corner along with ted bundy and Hitler. but maybe the water moccasins and alligators floating thru ate the fire ants. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] todays exaggeration
ok, you choose which is the exaggeration today: 1. my husband fed, its 6 AM, left for work, and now I look out and see Curly Ray is somehow out in the front yard nibbling my qumquat bush I have nursed like its a dying national arbor prize tree for a year and a half. 2. I have 8 baby ducks hatched in my incubator! 3. It is below freezing and my husband blanketed the horses in the dark last nite and poor stonewall either gained a lot of weight or he has on a foal blanket. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] nasi antic
I just got some great video of Nasi. I let them out in the yard and he went straight to where he isnt supposed to be and was stomping around on some loose sheets of tin, obviously enjoying the loud banging noises that ran all the other horses off. what a goofball. I have to wait til I get back to work 11 days from now before I can upload things tho cause i am on dialup. I am about to go riding! It was 28 last nite but now has warmed up to almost 40 with a breeze. It is a gorgeous sunny day. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Reading? Virginia?
I answered under the original post question my weird book (MIddlesex) answer :) (you gotta read it) But some good books I have read recently are: The Road (about survivors of nuclear holocaust)] The Kite Runner The Sociopath Next Door (got a good review from Wanda so I bought it) My favorite book of all time : A confederacy of Dunces Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] trivia question
who is the horse God in Greek mythology? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] holiday fun activities list
here are some fun activities I plan to do this holiday vacation: 1. see if I can ride Tivar while holding long line driving reins on nasi and drive him that way. what the heck. what have i got to lose! 2. See if Tivar will allow my daughter to ride him. 3. pony nasi on a ride off my property on a ride in the real woods with Tivar. 4. Ride Traveller (havent ridden him in a year, since Liz clinic last year, first and only time I have ridden him) 5. go to a movie 6. have a blast with my daughter and family 7. try to ignore my family if obnoxious 8. get some video of gait and other stuff 9. ride ride ride 10. bake "gooey butter cake" for thanksgiving with family. 11. today, ride, read, and make soup. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: You tube woes
I feel like I can look at the video from the standpoint of a person who knows nothing about CT and a sidepull or working with a horse in this manner and sorta get how they can see it the "wrong" way. And then people in riot mode just swarm out on the attack in total ignorance. A horse that has to bend his neck a long way to get a treat has to sorta snatch. in the video you couldnt hear a click so it might appear that the horse is out of the blue jerking his head around and snatching offered treats for no reason. People think a horse in a bit shouldnt eat, but competitive trail riders say you need to let your horse eat some on long rides to keep the gut active. So its not real bad. Jaspar does it all the time, he aint ever had a problem eating with a bit in. I think instead of seeing you were working on one specific thing over and over they thought you were prancing and dancing on a treat mongering unruly horse maybe?? Whatever , they are just ignorant. but I have had lots of similar criticism for stuff I posted on here, and honestly sometimes deservedly so haha. who gives a all we can do is the best we can do and even with our mistakes us who are striving and trying are so far ahead of those who are clueless. I see now a woman in our county has opened up her own training facility and is running a pretty aggressive ad campaign to launch her new enterprise. She has ads in all the papers, a banner on the local horseman assoc website, signs posted all over, flyers at the feed store. I was at a boarding barn with her for years and she is a person who grew up showing saddlebreds, a little richie rich show brat with a witchy show mom who bought her anything and she would DAILY lash her horse in the face with a crop while he reared on the end of a lead and one time leased a fellow boarders walking horse "to get back into showing gaited horses" and that horse, extremely fine gaited barefoot, a wonderful trail horse, was suddenly never seen outside the arena where he would go around and round for hours clanking like he was in a chaingang with huge chains and rollers on his feet, rubber bands stretched from all his legs to the other (hey dont ask me!) and a 10 inch shank bit with a bicycle chain mouthpiece. she never showed him. he got some kinda cancer and died. Every time someone says "hey did ya see amy has a training barn now?" I always say "maybe god will send a special horse to put her out of business." but there are people like her and people like us and whatever mistakes we made, at least they dont stem from a desire to WIN at all cost and it doesnt matter if the horse is hurt and ruined in the process... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: New voice comment from janice mcdonald
> >>> http://www.snapvine.com/profile/Lc9XARPPJLJlpmjyS63XXH7wq9dccEQf > > Very nice! > > How about Walking After Midnight? > > Crazy? walking after midnight would be a great gaited horse name! I wonder if anyone thought of it yet... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > > If normal physics apply to horses then as long as > > the horse is warmer than the environment the hair > > keeps heat inside the horse. If environmental > > temperature is higher than temperature inside the > > horse, then the hair starts to keep heat outside the > > horse. > > > > What??? So are you say to shave them or not. > > Lorraine Shave. The hair does not protect them from heat unless the air is warmer than horse (about 38 C whatever that is in F). And even when it's warmer the hair probably makes sweating less effective.
Re: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
>I think we are talking about ten different subjects at once here too > :) One is should you blanket iceys and I think we all agree NO. It depends. I blanket Drifa when it rains because I have removed her heat retaining coat (by shaving). > are Iceys cooler clipped and we all agree YES, altho I dont think I > would clip mine in winter. They are cooler but whether that is a Good Thing or not depends upon the climate. Wanda probably doesn't need to shave her horses in the winter - they need their coats for the cold and it probably never gets warm enough for the ponies to sweat. >> I only clip mine in fall and spring cause > they have winter coat while its still so hot here. Yes. Then we are > discussing i think whether or not furry animals have a cooling system, > a nature made one, from different coats Yes, they do have different coats and the physical properties of that coat varies, depending upon that animal's natural habitat - think polar bear (Drifa) vs Arabian horse. Drifa's coat keeps heat in and an Arabian's coat gets rid of heat easier. Maybe think of it this way ... Lotsa heat inside the pony (from digestion, movement, muscle contraction etc). Heat flows off the pony and into the air via the skin. The type of hair, whether it is wet or dry and whether that air is moving or not, will determine if the heat stays in the pony or is lost to the air. If the air is too hot, the pony will not be able to give the heat to the air and it will overheat. > then whether arabs long white clothes are cooler, I think yes because > it would protect from sunburn and the skirts would allow drafts--- I > think this because here I am not allowed to wear shorts to work in > summer so I wear loose gauzy skirts and sandals and it works the same Yes. > :) and then what else oh, does wetting yourself down work the > same as hair on a dog, yes and no, and would you want to wear a sweaty > bra, no. Is everyone tired of the science lesson? Have I just added to the confusion? Penny
Re: [IceHorses] Icehorses sweating?
--- Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Normal physics DO apply to dogs so that thick > coated > > dogs kept in hot > > It is just what I heard somewhere. I use to get my > Chesapeake cliped every summer nomatter what they > say. ** But horses sweat and dogs don't? Wouldn't that make a difference in clipping or not? Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] Cross-Country Cowboy
On 11/15/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From Judy M of the gaitedhorse list: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071115/ap_on_re_us/cross_country_cowboy > > This is his Field of Dreams -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Re: New voice comment from janice mcdonald
On Nov 15, 2007 8:34 PM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and worse than that, for what reason have i opened myself up to public > ridicule!?! Because of a taunt that I exaggerate! You've got guts and a great sense of humor!! Love it! >i am going home and cuddling up with my bunnee slippers, > some chicken broth and my book I'm reading What are you reading? V
Re: [IceHorses] Retrying pics of Hawaii plus a couple new ones
Great pics, Kim. Lucky you and Skye and Sally. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] New voice comment from janice mcdonald
On 11/15/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > haha i aint even believing i am opening myself up to public ridicule!!! > Just remember I have a cold!!! > Janice Janice - please don't ever stop being you. You have brightened my day (and made me spit my drink all over my keyboard) more times than I can tell you. Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
[IceHorses] Was Retrying pics of Hawaii - question about the chestnut horse
>>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/creatorlover/Pic1479.jpg Kim, the chestnut horse in the picture is very cute - reminds me of Tivar. But, I notice his (her?) mane appears to have been rubbed very short. Skye, do horses in Hawaii get SE? I noticed another of the pictures you sent a while back (a s/d, maybe a stallion?) had rubbed his mane too. I'm not trying to be snitty - the horse really is cute - but I'm just really curious about the geographical range of SE. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM
[IceHorses] Was You tube woes - and that other rude website...
Someone posted a link to your youtube video on the Fugly Horse Blog. I HATE that website. Maybe it started off with some good intentions - to discourage people from breeding just any old horse to any other horse. I can certainly support that. But it's so often just petty and random, and downright MEAN that I've stopped looking at it. Aside from this latest attack wave on Anna, it seems that it encourages people only to look at the appearance of a horse. (At least Gloi is gorgeous - I didn't see the wave of negative comments about her video, but hopefully they weren't totally stupid about his physical appearance...) Anyway, none of the following is about Gloi - just Fugly Horse. While I was breeding, I worried myself to death about every horse I decided to breed. But, after a lot of soul-searching, I know I'm ok with breeding a less-than-attractive horse, if the horse is truly a GOOD horse. I AM very concerned about the conformation-aspects that relates to the horse's long-term soundness. I have a thing about breeding horses having good legs, strong backs etc. I am extremely concerned about only breeding horses with good minds. But honestly, you often can't tell much about a horse from some randomly accessed candid shots. Of all the Icelandic's I've had here, Eitill is probably the least attractive. But, you know something? People never seemed to notice it for more than a few seconds. His head is big, and not particularly pretty. His neck is too short, and set a little too high. He's a little too downhill. He has a sparse mane, as Icelandic manes go. He's boring black, not a white mark on him, and he faded out in our strong sunshine to boring brown. BUT...he has a lot of bone, his legs are set correctly - on each corner, not camped out, hoofs under his knees, not toed out: good solid legs to last him a lifetime. He has nicely sprung ribs, a good chest and a strong, solid butt. He's built to carry weight, and he can - with enthusiasm. He has nearly perfect gaits for an Icelandic, and he has plenty of enthusiasm about hitting the trail - no need to keep urging him forward...but no need to hold him back either. He loves people, and he's as safe as they come. He's a fun horse for an eager adult, but with a little time to adjust, I know he'd also be a lovely kid's pony. Oh, he has a few quirks too, but nothing dangerous or important. In short, Eitill is the best of the breed if you ask me, on the important issues. Not attractive, but a great horse. If Eitill had been a mare, I would have been VERY happy to breed him/her. Of all the horses I've had here, I had more casual inquiries from people about buying Eitill than any other single horse, even though he was never for sale. (He just went back to Renee as our initial agreement said.) Sure, he's not the prettiest, but once people meet him, most people like him. Would people have been able to see the real Eitill from pictures? No way. But I can just imagine his pictures getting the snide comments from the snitty Fugly mob. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM
RE: [IceHorses] my exaggerations
We were 72 degrees yesterday at this time and today it is 32! Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Pics of my trip to Hawaii
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:08:02 -, you wrote: >Did you try clicking onto the links from the message as it is received >in your inbox? That might make a difference. I just copied and pasted the urls given in the message into my browser. Worked fine (and I am very jealous!) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Re: You tube woes
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:07:27 -, you wrote: >At the very least >your video showed a woman having fun with her horse; Having watched the video, the only possible cause for negative comment I can see is that he does *look* like he might take your hand off along with the treat! ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
