Re: [IceHorses] Re: Head Motion
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:47:23 -0800, you wrote: Should it be? No - it's a result of harsh, ungiving hands and constant contact. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Head Motion
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:47:23 -0800, you wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWbrRTD5-5A I love the first horse, but the rider's position leaves a bit to be desired. ; ) Actually, I like the 2nd horse a lot too, but that amount of under neck development in a youngster would really worry me. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Painted rooms
Virginia, excellent choices. I love them. What colour is your main bathroom? That's exactly what I'm looking for for our bathroom... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Painted rooms
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Virginia, What a great choice of colors, warm and inviting - I love the pure white trim. The snow is gorgeous too, in YOUR yard. Thanks--we were going for 'warm' and we wanted to 'see' the color and have fun with the color but have it flow at the same time. The trim is the same color in all the rooms to that carries through as does the warmth and depth of color. Every time I go there I get a thrill -- color affects my mood. As for the snow! If we were settled in I wouldn't mind a bit but all the storms only slowed us down. Oh, well.. V
Re: [IceHorses] Painted rooms
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Anneliese Virro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have color courage There are so many colors to choose from even after I narrowed down my choices to 'warm' and 'cheerful'. I wanted fun too but I didn't want to go too loud (they don't feel loud to me). In the end I figured it's only paint and we can redo any color we hate but so far we're happy. V
Re: [IceHorses] Painted rooms
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Debbie K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of curtains are you putting up.. I won't rush into curtains because I'm happy with none but I'm thinking an off-white sheer in the livingroom, and sun-blocking roll-ups (like Tim Horton's coffee shop has--you can see through them) in the diningroom and kitchen. Possibly a red/gold southwestern style patterned valance in the kitchen (after I put new fabric on the kitchen chair seats). And the bedrooms will probably get blinds. Pretty simple. what is your theme, I could go SW or whimsical country I love southwestern patterns, kilim patterns, country, but I'll just add little bits of what I like everywhere without following a theme--as long as it's pretty and comfortable I'll be happy. :D V
Re: [IceHorses] Painted rooms
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got the choices for white the other day .. there must be twenty. So, I can't even choose which white. ARGH! I know--whites can't be as difficult to choose as any other color! Go with what feels good to you -- I'd start by choosing if you want warm or cool and go from there, then think if you want the white to have a yellow, green, blue or grey cast to it. If you want to warm up a room that doesn't get much sun, go for a warm tone and if you have a room that gets too hot use a cool tone. I noticed on a TV decorating show that the host always uses a white he named Cloud White because it went with everything and was soft. It looked good on TV but I don't know the brand or how it would look in real life. My white is more of a soft off-white and I did the ceiling the same. A strong, bright white can be as much of a statement as a bold red and I wanted soft. I'm ramblingsorry. :D V
Re: [IceHorses] Painted rooms
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Virginia, excellent choices. I love them. What colour is your main bathroom? That's exactly what I'm looking for for our bathroom... Wanda The main bathroom is 'Maple Syrup' by Beauti-tone. I used the same color in velvet for the office. It makes the room feel like it's a sunny day even if it isn't. V
Re: [IceHorses] Update on moving
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The house is wonderful Virginia and you'll be glad you had all the painting done before you moved. Thanks. I wanted to paint before moving because it's easier without furniture in the way but I'm getting pretty antsy--I want to move!!! V
Re: [IceHorses] Update on moving
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sent a Kodak link to some photos at our new house showing rooms that we've painted so far. Some rooms have taken 3 coats including trim work. It's looking great! I love the colors. :) Thanks! V
[IceHorses] OT -kitchen curtains-Virginia
I got a little carried away and made the valances in our kitcen from this fabric: http://www.e-prairiegirls.com/index.php?action=itemdetailitem_id=20285 Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] OT -kitchen curtains-Virginia
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a little carried away and made the valances in our kitcen from this fabric: http://www.e-prairiegirls.com/index.php?action=itemdetailitem_id=20285 CUTE!! Thanks for the link. V
Re: [IceHorses] Painted rooms
Virginia has shared photos with you. V - You have really made it your own - what a difference from the before pics - I love the colors -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Great deal on helmet
Laree, You got me all excited. They only have them in XS. I have a big head. Bummer That is the bad thing about Tack of the Day - you have to order quick sometimes because they can run out of the popular sizes real soon - I think I probably got one of the few larger sizes. I am on their daily email so I get the notices early. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Painted rooms
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have really made it your own Yes, I think sothankfully hubby and I were on the same wavelength! :D V
Re: [IceHorses] Great deal on helmet
That is the bad thing about Tack of the Day - you have to order quick sometimes because they can run out of the popular sizes real soon - I think I probably got one of the few larger sizes. I am on their daily Thanks for the tip Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] bad weather
My mom is in Southern Florida, Pine Island She said was the address, I have not looked at a map to see where that is yet... she emailed me right after I saw your post last night... what a crazy winter it has been for the whole country it seems. I am in SE MN I and my horses love our track system!!! http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackSystem The Soul of a Horse ~ has touched my soul, may it touch yours too! ~ thesoulofahorse.com/Pre-Order-Reviews.htm ~
Re: [IceHorses] bad weather
I am 40 miles south of dothan alabama. Halfway between Pensacola and Tallahassee. We had 3 inches of rain in an hour and all the schools are closed today and many roads from flooding. More storms are due today but I see on the tv that the entire east is a mess right now. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Update on moving
How exciting for your family! Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Mouth Motion
What a lovely horse at liberty. And I do like the gentle way the trainer has of putting the reins over the head and neck. Hhhhmm unless that suggests the horse wouldn't tolerate having them flipped blithely over. After that ... it looks as if he has to steady both the pony and the saddle for mounting which suggests you might not be able just to hop on and ride away. Don't you suppose the mouth thing is from rushing the training? Do you think in a slower training program this same pony would move more naturally with a happier mouth? There really is nothing inherently wrong with using a bit. It's the hands on the other end that turn into an instrument of torture. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: Bridleless First Ride
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karen's first ride on Tamarack, and it's bridleless!: http://iceryder.net/videobridlelessfirstride.html Unfortunately I do not look at all the videos because of our ever soo slow dial up, but I did watch this one. Great! One question, did you have a neck strap? I could not tell on the video, though she did some guiding movement with her arms. Monica Ontario
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Head Motion
Hi Judy, In the first one of the palomino, the head isn't being held by the rider very tightly. The horse has use of his head. It looks to me like the palomino has a fairly long shanked bit with a lot of leverage and I would not say that is a loose rein but maybe my computer is just too blurring. In the second one, the horse is framed by the rider, fighting the bit, and held too tightly. Yes I would agree Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] Mouth Motion
Hi Judy, Watch this horse's mouth: Not just his mouth, but also his tail. You can see when she 'relaxed' the pull on the reins, his mouth stops (at least in terms of what you can see) and so does his tail. He is a nice looking horse and not very happy with the riding and /or tack fit. When the stirrups are so long the rider ends up having to do more bracing and have no connect to the belly of the horse. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
[IceHorses] Fighting the Bit Worldwide
We have seen that horses can use their heads and necks normally and for their balance and vision in rack / tolt. Why, with the Icelandic Horse, is he seen, all over the world, fighting the bit? http://iceryder.net/videofightingbitworldwide.html What is it about this style of riding that allows people to accept fighting the bit as normal, part of the gait? Why would we bring in trainers who ride like this, to teach us to ride the same way? The cycle has to be broken at some point for the benefit of the horse. Who will put their ego aside and put the horse first? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Mouth Motion
On Feb 21, 2008, at 9:07 AM, Judy Ryder wrote: Watch this horse's mouth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ The thing that makes me cringe when I watch these videos (and many other exampoles where the horse is being led from the ground or tied (as in cowboy movies) is that the reins attached to the bit are used as the LEADROPE! If the horse pulls back or spooks, even slightly, that bit is slammed into the bars of the mouth, provoking further reaction and worse case, causing the horse to rear or flip. Leading with the reins is not a good policy if you want to keep a light mouthed horse happy with the bit and responsive to the rider's rein cues, Yes, having a halter and leadrope on the horse in addition to the headstall and reins is yet another piece of equipment (why I generally use a halter-headstall), but it is so much kinder to the horse. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/
Re: [IceHorses] Fighting the Bit Worldwide
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:47:09 -0800, you wrote: What is it about this style of riding that allows people to accept fighting the bit as normal, part of the gait? Because it's praised by the general Icelandic horse public, and awarded prizes at shows, so people think it's what is required. Plus many (not all, please don't flame me!) people with Icelandics in Europe (and obviously, in Iceland) do not have any experience with any other form of riding, so they see this as the norm. I think in a lot of ways, countries like the UK and USA have an advantage in the fact that Icelandics are pretty much in the minority and virtually everyone who has them has done some other form of horse sport/horse ownership beforehand. In this country, yes, there *are* people who think it's acceptable to slap on huge bits, narrow saddles and weighted shoes then ride as if they're driving a speedboat with no anchor, but thankfully they are in the minority and most of us are thinking riders. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Mouth Motion
(why I generally use a halter-headstall), but it is so much kinder to the horse. Me too. I have come to really like these, even though I was once a leather purist. I can just unsnap my reins and hook them to the halter and even drop the bit if the horse needs to have her mouth free to eat or drink. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Fighting the Bit Worldwide
http://iceryder.net/videofightingbitworldwide.html The French one is in Denmark, I believe. Certainly the flags and text are Danish. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
[IceHorses] Re: Fighting the Bit Worldwide
It does make me sick when I see people riding with huge bits especially when they have bad hands!
Re: [IceHorses] Fighting the Bit Worldwide
http://iceryder.net/videofightingbitworldwide.html . and the one from the Netherlands was filmed in Iceland. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Fighting the Bit Worldwide
http://iceryder.net/videofightingbitworldwide.html . and the one from the Netherlands was filmed in Iceland. The French one is in Denmark, I believe. Thanks, Mic. I'll try to correct those. I went by the location of the person who submitted the video. Maybe you can find me one from France, and once from the Netherlands? Thanks! Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Fighting the Bit Worldwide
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:52:13 -0800, you wrote: Maybe you can find me one from France, and once from the Netherlands? France: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzYP0ZYax8Mfeature=related Netherlands: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpx8kDEojq0 If you want to search, try chevaux islandais for France, and ijslandse paarden for the Netherlands. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Fighting the Bit Worldwide
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:52:13 -0800, you wrote: Maybe you can find me one from France, and once from the Netherlands? Here's a very different one from NL... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GVMb0AmTV4feature=related Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Fighting the Bit Worldwide
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:47:09 -0800, you wrote: I think in a lot of ways, countries like the UK and USA have an advantage in the fact that Icelandics are pretty much in the minority and virtually everyone who has them has done some other form of horse sport/horse ownership beforehand. also, in US we have our shameful history and near ruination of our most majestic gaited breed, but thanks to NH we want to change! I see so strongley how they are foloowing in our footsteps, and maybe it wont get so bad for the icelandics as it did for walkers. But when I pointed out on the other list that this could happen, someone posted oh yes, may of us worried the americans would start ruining icelandics the way they have the walking horse ?? haha. That was a good one. Now its us americans ruining the icelandic... Janice Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Great deal on helmet
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're one of those people that a Tipperary helmet fits you, then Tack of the Day has a fantastic deal on them today for $39.50 - I haven't seen them cheaper than $60 before. I think the people that have round heads find they don't fit them as well but I love mine. So my head is too round for the Tipperary. I have a couple of friends that just swear by them. I tried one on and I think it was a large, which would seem to be the right size and it hurt. I couldn't wait to get it off. Troxel's Dakota has been my most comfortable helmet ever. I'm probably due for a new one as my is pretty old... Ferne Fedeli
Re: [IceHorses] bad weather
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Jeannette Hoenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey Janice, you don't live near any trailer parks do you, i live in a doublewide with a nice big pole barn :) Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Mouth Motion
Yes, having a halter and leadrope on the horse in addition to the headstall and reins is yet another piece of equipment (why I generally use a halter-headstall), but it is so much kinder to the horse. We used to simply leave a halter under the headstall, but I've gotten spoiled to the halter/bridle/sidepull combinations. I like the Harmony bridle that Nicker's Saddlery (Sensation maker) makes and the Freedom bridles from Moss Rock endurance. Those are really nice for starting the young ones - I can let them get used to carrying a bit, while still using the sidepull reins, so that we aren't likely to hurt a young horse's mouth. They also have a halter ring, if you want to lead them - I HATE leading a horse by the reins if there is a bit in his mouth. We do most of our ground driving using the sidepull rings, so it's awfully nice not to have to change head-gear if you change your mind about what you're going to do that session. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] bad weather
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i live in a doublewide with a nice big pole barn :) Janice, they are not called doublewide's anymore!! They are manufactured homes, and I live in one, too. Then once they are put on a foundation, they are converted to real property. Say it with me now: they are not trailers, they are not trailers, they are not trailers... Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Mouth Motion
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've gotten spoiled to the halter/bridle/sidepull combinations. I used to have a combo, but then I thought if something happened to my halter like while trailering, I would not have a bridle to ride in. So now, I have a halter, and a simple western browband bridle (no noseband) over it so there is not bulk. Looks almost like a combo, but I still have a bridle if the halter breaks in the trailer. Plus, I have the halter to snap the reins to when I got off to walk. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Mouth Motion
I used to have a combo, but then I thought if something happened to my halter like while trailering, I would not have a bridle to ride in. I ride with the halter bridle, but use a couple of different actual halters (Parelli rope and nylon web) for trailering, tying, leading, presenting to the vets, etc. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Bridleless First Ride
http://iceryder.net/videobridlelessfirstride.html More bridleless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_vvc7-GmOU This gal is not sure about how to cue a horse bridleless, but does well enough. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] A Rodeo Icelandic Horse
http://iceryder.net/videoicelandicrodeo.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Painted rooms
On Feb 21, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Karen Thomas wrote: You have color courage I'd love you to do my house! I am a chicken. At this point, the entire house is painted off-white! Very boring. Perhaps I'll find color courage after we have moved in. Any update on when you're moving in, Anneliese? STill not really sure but the kitchen cabinets are in; we are now waiting for the countertops and the floors are being finished now. I think another couple of weeks should do it. We sold the house in Evanston and we moved all our stuff with our horse trailer. A moving van could not make it in here so we did just about everything ourselves except for a few heavy items for which we had the neighbor boy help us. I have just one more round-trip to make and then we will be here full-time. I still have to do a lot of doors but that can be done even after we move in. I'll send pictures later. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] A Rodeo Icelandic Horse
Hhhhmmm. I like to have a horse going forward willingly before I ask him to go sideways or backwards. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Mouth Motion
On Feb 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Karen Thomas wrote: I ride with the halter bridle, but use a couple of different actual halters (Parelli rope and nylon web) for trailering, tying, leading, presenting to the vets, etc Me too - except that I really won't tie a horse in anything except for a breakaway (leather crown) halter - that's all I'll use if I'm going to tie one in the trailer. Karen Thomas, NC I usually use biothane halters (never get stiff like nylon web and can be cleaned very easily). But the last thing I would use when tying is a breakway. Those are good for a horse running loose in a pasture where they might get hung up on something out of sight and hearing, or get a foot caught while scratching their ear. But if my horse is tied to the trailer while camping, or doing a parade, the last thing I want is that horse breaking free and running loose through the wilderness or charging down a city street or highway! Of course a horse doesn't go traveling unless it is already well broke to being tied, and I I can keep an eye on it. (if the horse seems nervous in camp I'll double tie with a non-slip knotted rope around the neck . . . just in case). Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/ http://www.dslextreme.com/~napha/JoyOfRiding/index.htm
