Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??

2008-04-04 Thread Laree Shulman

 (This is a picture my friend took from our ally in Chicago. :) )


I'm afraid that I have a possum sleeping in my hay room at night.  It
occasionally leaves behind tell tale droppings and before I locked it
up tight would get into the BOSS.  That is not good because they are
definitely an EPM carrier so now I guess I'm going to have to cover my
hay in the hay room ar make the room more possum proof.  AAARRRGGHHH!!
-- 
Laree in NC
Doppa  Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)

Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. -
William Farley


Re: [IceHorses] Rattlesnake!

2008-04-04 Thread Laree Shulman
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Nancy  Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Beautiful photo and horrid story.  I have never been particularly afraid of
 rattlesnakes and ride from time to time with a BLM naturalist who believes
 they should be protected.  I think I just changed my mind.


That is a great photo and a heartbreaking story but I think we need to
remember when we venture into the wild and less populated areas we are
taking a chance on run-ins with wild animals.  Of course, I'd rather
take my chances with the wild animals in the wilderness than with the
drive by shooters in the big ciies.  Life is full of opportunities to
get harmed but we can't sterilize our world and we can't bury
ourselves in our homes to stay totally safe.  Usually if we respect
their space, the animals respect ours.  I pays my dues and I takes my
chances

-- 
Laree in NC
Doppa  Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)

Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. -
William Farley


Re: [IceHorses] Rattlesnake!

2008-04-04 Thread Laree Shulman
 drive by shooters in the big ciies.

Sorry - big Cities

-- 
Laree in NC
Doppa  Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)

Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. -
William Farley


Re: [IceHorses] Horses in Heaven

2008-04-04 Thread Nancy Sturm
After we were through laughing, I had to forward this to my riding friend.

Nancy


[IceHorses] Cow carpet

2008-04-04 Thread Virginia Tupper
This sounds like a good product:

http://www.clothwipers.com/p_cow_carpet.htm

V


Re: [IceHorses] Hoof Boots/Shoes Video

2008-04-04 Thread Raven
traded in some worn out Ol Macs on the 50% off exchange program.

how cool is that program!

Raven
Lucy  Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn  Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze

http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess

Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.


[IceHorses] Re: horse abuse

2008-04-04 Thread Janice McDonald
HAHA  i love that first pic!  Teev is looking at me so soft and loving
and grateful, like i know you have came to take this thing off me, i
just know it  :)  But what a conniver!  I took it off him and the
instant i did he ran to scratch his mane on a tree, so I chased him
from the tree and he ran as fast as he could to walls and started
grooming him so walls would scratch his mane for him!  what a con
artist :)  I had to put the nasty dang thing back on him!
Janice--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.


Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??

2008-04-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]




I'm afraid that I have a possum sleeping in my hay room at night.  
It
occasionally leaves behind tell tale droppings and before I locked it
up tight would get into the BOSS.  That is not good because they are
definitely an EPM carrier so now I guess I'm going to have to cover my
hay in the hay room ar make the room more possum proof.  AAARRRGGHHH!!
-- 
Laree in NC

I trap them and then take them for a drive a long, long ways a way and 
set them free.  I don't want to take any chances with epm.

Penny







Re: [IceHorses] horse abuse

2008-04-04 Thread Wanda Lauscher
I can't believe how sleek your horses look.  Mine still have their
winter woolies...

Wanda


Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??

2008-04-04 Thread Janice McDonald
i know someone who had a horse die of EPM.  She hates possums.  But
honestly, seems we had more possoms and coons when we lived closer to
town!  Now we live way out in  the woods and our predators are more
foxes and coyotes.  Seems possums and coons are found where they can
live in nearby woods and like to come dig thru the trash maybe?
janice--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.


Re: [IceHorses] Ride to the Pond

2008-04-04 Thread Lorraine

 Here are some pictures from the ride to the pond
 today:


Is that in Fallbrook?  It is so pretty.  I had a great
ride today.  The cactus is blooming but I forgot my
camera.  

  Lorraine


  

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Re: [IceHorses] Wanda! Your cat??

2008-04-04 Thread Karen Thomas
 i know someone who had a horse die of EPM.  She hates possums.  But 
 honestly, seems we had more possoms and coons when we lived closer to 
 town!  Now we live way out in  the woods and our predators are more 
 foxes and coyotes.  Seems possums and coons are found where they can 
 live in nearby woods and like to come dig thru the trash maybe?


Or maybe your foxes and coyotes are killing off the raccoons and opossums. 
(Did I really just write opossums - and me a good Southern girl...?)


Karen Thomas, NC



[IceHorses] New Tipperary + helmet

2008-04-04 Thread Lorraine
Had anyone seen or tried the new Tipperary plus
sportage helmet?

  Lorraine


  

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Re: [IceHorses] New Tipperary + helmet

2008-04-04 Thread Laree Shulman
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Had anyone seen or tried the new Tipperary plus
 sportage helmet?


-- I haven't used the new one but I really like the one I have.


Laree in NC
Doppa  Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)

Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. -
William Farley


[IceHorses] Driving questions

2008-04-04 Thread Karen Thomas
I'm thinking about driving again - so far that's as far as we've ever 
gotten, but maybe SOMEDAY...

Anyway, I've been doing a little reading and I'm ready to start thinking 
about some details.  Does anyone have any good sources for driving in more 
natural ways?   My gut tells me that I don't want to use blinkers - I 
believe that Christine and Robyn have said they've started driving horses 
without them, and I won't be driving any horse that I don't trust fully. 
I'm also wary about using overchecks, probably don't want to use a 
martingale, and I definitely don't want to use a dropped noseband.  So, any 
good sources?  I know that Pat Parelli is starting to show some NH ground 
driving and ponying, but I don't think they have any materials on driving a 
cart.  I don't want to abandon the tack that's TRULY necessary to be safe, 
but I sure don't want to use overly restrictive tack if there's no valid 
reason   I have two harnesses, but I suspect I'll have to buy a few new 
parts to get the fit right.  I don't give a fig about tradition - just the 
safety and comfort of the horse and humans.

We'll start this very slowly, in the ring first.  I'll start with a mature 
horse (Saga, Trausti, Skjoni, Melnir or Sina most likely) who's quite used 
to the trails, know how to ground drive, and who knows how to steer from the 
saddle and from the ground.

Karen Thomas, NC




Re: [IceHorses] New Tipperary + helmet

2008-04-04 Thread Karen Thomas
 Had anyone seen or tried the new Tipperary plus sportage helmet?


No, but I'm going to order one for Cary to have as a spare.  It comes in an 
XXL, and those are hard to find - unless you are ok with the $300+ models 
from Dover!  Thanks for the tip.


Karen Thomas, NC



Re: [IceHorses] Cow carpet

2008-04-04 Thread Judy Ryder
 http://www.clothwipers.com/p_cow_carpet.htm


Very interesting, Virginia!  I have a few walkway areas that might be better 
with something like this.


Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com 



Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions

2008-04-04 Thread Laree Shulman
  My gut tells me that I don't want to use blinkers - I
 believe that Christine and Robyn have said they've started driving horses
 without them,

I very seldom used blinkers

 and I won't be driving any horse that I don't trust fully.

Just remember that even some of your most trustworthy horses under
saddle, don't take to driving.  If the horse isn't comfortable with it
- don't press it


 I'm also wary about using overchecks,

definitely don't want to use an overcheck for any reason - they are
usually against the rules at pleasure driving shows.

probably don't want to use a
 martingale,

I don't know that I've ever seen one used in driving

and I definitely don't want to use a dropped noseband.  So, any
 good sources?

I would say you can take any good pleasure driving source and just
adjust it a little to suit what you want.  What you don't want to get
into is famcy show driving like at the Morgan or Saddlebred shows.  I
haven't found pleasure driving to be a hard on the horse sport until
you get into the upper levels of cross country and that only gets out
of hand when people's competitve juices get flowing and they get too
fast in the obstacles.  I think where people get a negative idea of
driving is in some of the driving classes at Morgan or Saddlebred
shows where they want them all high headed and fancy.

-- 
Laree in NC
Doppa  Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)

Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. -
William Farley


Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions

2008-04-04 Thread Laree Shulman
  Does anyone have any good sources for driving in more
 natural ways?


This looks like a good book

http://www.amazon.com/Carriage-Driving-Updated-Classic-Approach/dp/0764572997/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1207336637sr=1-2


This is one of the old standbys used by many:

http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Training-Driving-Horse-Comprehensive/dp/0879802723/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b

and another:

http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Horse-Harness-Step-Step/dp/0851318231/ref=pd_sim_b_img_2
-- 
Laree in NC
Doppa  Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)

Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. -
William Farley


Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions

2008-04-04 Thread Mic Rushen
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:48:30 -0400, you wrote:

My gut tells me that I don't want to use blinkers - I 
believe that Christine and Robyn have said they've started driving horses 
without them, and I won't be driving any horse that I don't trust fully. 

I've never used blinkers when driving the Icelandics, and have always
driven them in their normal riding bridle set-up, whatever that
happened to be. 

Mic


Mic (Michelle) Rushen

---
Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: 
www.solva-icelandics.co.uk
---
Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes



Re: [IceHorses] Cow carpet

2008-04-04 Thread Virginia Tupper
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.clothwipers.com/p_cow_carpet.htm


 Very interesting, Virginia!  I have a few walkway areas that might be better
 with something like this.


If you try it please let me know if you like it.
V


Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions

2008-04-04 Thread Anne Johnson
Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking about driving again - so 
far that's as far as we've ever 
gotten, but maybe SOMEDAY...
Anyway, I've been doing a little reading and I'm ready to start thinking 
about some details.  Does anyone have any good sources for driving in more 
natural ways?   



Hi Karen, 

When I start any horse I start them without blinders. 


Anne


Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions

2008-04-04 Thread Karen Thomas
 I very seldom used blinkers


That's reassuring!


 Just remember that even some of your most trustworthy horses under 
 saddle, don't take to driving.  If the horse isn't comfortable with 
 t  - don't press it


That's ok.  I have spares.  ;)


 probably don't want to use a martingale,  I don't know that I've ever 
 seen one used in driving


I just saw one while I was browsing.   Again, thanks for the reassurances. 
:)


Karen Thomas, NC




Re: [IceHorses] OT mister pea

2008-04-04 Thread Ann Cassidy
 here is my silver pied peacock, Mister Pea.

We have feral peacocks here and they always let me know when spring
has sprung early in the morning. I love them and we pick up lots of
feathers when the males shed them late in summer, but they are the
normal peacock colors.

Ann
Bodega, CA


Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions

2008-04-04 Thread Judy Ryder

 Does anyone have any good sources for driving in more
 natural ways?

Maybe the Bowers:  http://www.bowersfarm.com/



 We'll start this very slowly, in the ring first.  I'll start with a mature
 horse (Saga, Trausti, Skjoni, Melnir or Sina most likely) who's quite used
 to the trails, know how to ground drive, and who knows how to steer from 
 the
 saddle and from the ground.

Will you get videos and pictures?  I think watching the progress on this 
project will be very educational!


Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com 



Re: [IceHorses] Driving questions

2008-04-04 Thread Nancy Sturm

 Sure, I'll send pictures...but it might be more humiliating for us than 
 educational for the list!


When I wanted to learn to harness and drive a horse, I bought several books, 
but one of the best and most descriptive came from  the 4-H program.

 I think someone already wrote this, but not every horse takes to driving. 
I have two friends, very experienced older horsewome,  who were badly hurt 
when their  Fjord mare  bolted during a clinic.  The horse was well trained 
to both saddle and harness, but she was frightened by something.

Nancy 



Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie

2008-04-04 Thread Karen Thomas
 Sophie is just back from her first grooming appointment.  She's 
 tremendously tired.


It's hard work, being that beautiful.


Karen Thomas, NC 



Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie

2008-04-04 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 04/04/2008, Nancy  Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We are grand-dog sitting this week while our daughter and son-in-law are
 vacationing on Maui . Cricket (half chihuahua/hald pomeranian)  is making an
 awfully good case for having a tiny dog in the house.  This is the first
 time in a very long time when we haven't had an under-six pounder scampering
 about.

Until Sophie fell asleep in my arms that first day we met at work...I
had absolutely no intention of taking in a house dog.

Grand dog...I like that

Wanda


[IceHorses] Ride Pictures

2008-04-04 Thread Judy Ryder
For the last few rides (to the river, lake, and pond), the pictures and 
videos are here:

http://iceryder.blogspot.com/2008/03/icelandic-horse-crossing-creek-this-is.html

http://icehorses.blogspot.com/2008/03/taking-cookie-down-to-lake.html

http://icehorses.blogspot.com/2008/04/ride-down-to-pond.html

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hR2WIpSFmeU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9wVMQgC7RrQ1


Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com




[IceHorses] Dennis Reis Report

2008-04-04 Thread Judy Ryder
A Report on Dennis Reis No Dust Tour Stop in Lincoln

The day on Sat. was divided up into four main parts. The first session 
Dennis started a fresh two year old, then we watched his wife Debra play at 
liberty with her Arabian and ride with her sticks. After that Dennis worked 
with a problem horse and finally he played with his Stallion Cal and rode 
him bareback and bridleless.

The Four main points that I took away were:

1. FORWARD MOTION IS KEY! (Move your horse out!)

It is s important to get your horse going forward. I have written 
about this before. I have quoted Ray Hunt you can't train a horse unless he 
is moving! In the past week I have received at least a half dozen e-mails 
from people who have horses with a broken forward.

The main problem is many people are afraid to do what it takes to get their 
horse moving forward because they fear it may buck. Many people say GO but 
then as soon as the horse moves they tense up and say WHOA! The horse gets 
confused and quits trying. Some people think they need spurs or to kick the 
horse, but these tactics usually sull up the horse and the problem gets 
worse.

What did Dennis do to get his horses moving forward? Ask, Suggest and 
Encourage! Ask is to bring your life up and squeeze your legs, but only 
using ounces of pressure.Suggest is to raise your arm and act like you are 
going to spank the horse's butt. Encourage is to lightly spank the horses 
butt! He used a cowboy rope or his hand. Sometimes he spanked his own leg 
instead of the horse's butt.

These are the exact same phases and cues as Hunt, Dorrance, Parelli, 
Anderson, Lyons, Hargis, etc. Pick your trainer! They all know you need to 
get your horse moving and you have to be willing to do what it takes without 
using force, fear, pain, or intimidation tactics. They simply call their 
techniques by different names. But essentially good natural horsemanship is 
the same across the board no matter who or what program you follow.

Another way he got the horses moving forward was to have another person on 
the ground encourage the horse with a stick and string. This is a very 
effective way to get a horse moving. But the rider must remember to be a 
PASSENGER! Dennis did not touch the reins and even rode without anything on 
the head of the problem horse the first time. It is important not to direct 
the horse or get in his way. The goal is a willing horse moving forward with 
freedom and without opposition reflex.

When the horse felt like it was going to buck he encouraged the horse to go 
faster. I am reminded of what Pat Parelli says, if you want to be natural 
just do the opposite of what seems normal. Our first normal instinct is 
stop a horse when we feel it is going to buck. But aren't we rewarding it 
when we do that? Aren't we teaching it to buck by the release of the 
pressure? One day recently DJ was bucking in the circling game on line. 
Everytime he did I asked him to go faster and it wasn't long and he decided 
that wasn't the game he wanted to play anymore. This solved his kicking up 
problem when riding also.

I have been experimenting the past couple of months on getting better 
forward motion from a couple of my horses. I have learned that the better 
they move forward on the circling game the better they move forward when I 
ride them. PERIOD! It works like a dream. Here is my general rule: If your 
horse trots 2-4 circles without any nagging from you, he doesn't change 
gaits or directions and doesn't pull on the rope he will maintain a trot 
when you ride. The same goes for cantering. The better you prepare you horse 
on the ground the easier riding will be. I PROMISE! The other day Keith was 
riding Ginger and he was having trouble with forward. I asked him, How's 
your circling game at the trot and the canter? He admitted that it was very 
poor. H!

While riding I do have to use an occasional spank. I am consistent and fair 
with spanking and don't stop until the horse takes the desired gait. I 
ignored undesirable behaviors and remain persistent with gentle 
encouragement staying in the proper position. I either use my hand or the 
end of my savvy string, that is tied to the horn. I spank myself first so 
the horse knows it's coming. This will prevent startling your horse which 
could be followed by spooking or bucking. Once the horse gives the slightest 
effort to move forward the release must be immediate. Then reward with a 
generous amount of petting while the horse is moving. Petting the horses 
while riding will help prevent you from pulling on the reins and tensing up. 
Dennis did lots of petting while riding the colt and problem horse and it 
calmed them down nicely.


2. PASSENGER RIDING IS FOR EVERYONE! (Let go and live!)

Dennis did a tremendous amount of passenger riding with the colt and problem 
horse, and even with his 23 year old stallion, Cal. And some of you thought 
the passenger lesson was a Linda Parelli thing. But all good horsemen 

Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie

2008-04-04 Thread Raven
Cute! How much does she weigh now?

Raven
Lucy  Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn  Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze

http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess

Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.


Re: [IceHorses] New Tipperary + helmet

2008-04-04 Thread Raven
  http://www.longridersgear.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=81_121

I have seen those before, but I didn't want to attach a strip of
velcor to the helmet. thank you anyway!

Raven
Lucy  Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn  Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze

http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess

Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.


[IceHorses] Radio Interviews

2008-04-04 Thread Judy Ryder
Here's a couple of radio interviews with:

Craig Stevens:

http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventid=2421939

and 

Paul Belasik:

http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventid=2470260

These interviews will only be up for another couple of days.


Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com


[IceHorses] An Article by Liz

2008-04-04 Thread Judy Ryder
This is one of the articles from The Gaited Horse magazine:

http://www.lizgraves.com/Horsemanship.pdf


Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com