Re: [IceHorses] Conformation / Leg Movement
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ > Here is an image where you can see how bad his legs are in movement. > > His airborn left front leg sticks way out to the side, and his other three > legs are pointed down towards the same point (like a "V"). Here is a picture of his legs compared with a picture of the legs of the pacer. The pacer has straight legs; left side moving straight along, one behind the other, on one track. The legs on the right side are also in line, traveling on a separate track. The icelandic with the crooked legs has them all angling down to moving almost on a single track, with the crookedness of the front legs throwing them way out to the side when in flight. Opportunistic for interfering and hurting himself. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com <>
Re: [IceHorses] Big Red and Little Pink
Every time I see her picture, I thank God you live on the other coast. She's just precious and I have all the horses I have time for. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Belly dickie for SE
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Cherie Mascis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - her poor face is eaten up - I guess I'll have to cover that with Swat, too. > > Laree, > > Have you tried that MTG? Yes, we use it every day and it helps but it doesn't seem to stop it. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
2008/6/12 Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > We didn't have Arnie, our Yorkie (who is now 9 lbs at 1yr 3 mos) fixed > until he was 8 mos old. I wanted to make sure he had a chance to lose > all his puppy teeth. Sophie's teeth are all shiney and new...and look like they belong to a much bigger dog... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation / Leg Movement
2008/6/12 Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ > It was tolt in most parts, but a very rough tolt, probably not the horse's > gait of choice, and probably not his natural gait. I just looked at the video again. Notice how 'off' the foot fall is at the beginning of the video. Is that supposed to be what's considered a fox trot? In the ridden portion, if that's a 'tolt' it's a very rough one...very rough... I tried pausing the video numerous times, and I could not get a clear read for what the horse was trying to do... Granted I'm still training my eyes for this, but I didn't see anything familiar or consistent about what this horse was doing. This is obviously some sort of demonstration, and someone put it on YouTube, so I'm assuming it must be a good example of something... It's got to be weights or something...or everything. Something is throwing the timing off. Wanda still learning...always learning...
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jersey
I wonder if there are paces and paces. The harness horses in an earlier gait video were doing the rolling hard pace our retired harness horse does. This mare looks much smmother and I think I'm seeing more of a broken or stepping pace. When Twist does this, we celebrate. It really is not unpleasant to ride. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Another trot
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I think > ideally, his poll would be > the highest point. I think so, too. But to a "lot" of long time horse show people, this is a horse "on the bit". I have neighbors who were into Arab showing for 30 years and we used to talk about false "on the bit" and bending at C-3 (like your pic) instead of the poll, and while they agreed with me in theory, they had no idea their horses were doing it as well! I was astounded! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
RE: [IceHorses] Belly dickie for SE
- her poor face is eaten >>> up - I guess I'll have to cover that with Swat, too. Laree, Have you tried that MTG? It's stinky and smells like sulfur but Roka was really getting itchy and so were the Belgian geldings crotches even though I had fly spray on, so I put MTG on the affected spots and the gnats don't seem to want to land there. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4 - Release Date: 5/29/2008 12:00 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Belly dickie for SE
>>> Be grateful - we haven't had any rain in weeks and weeks and everything >>> is brown and crunchy - just like last year - it's awful - luckily there >>> was a good first cutting of hay this year but if it doesn't rain soon >>> there won't be a second or third cutting again this year. We were doing ok for rain - very good early in the spring even - until we got so unbearably hot. When the temps are pushing 100, it takes a lot of rain to keep up. We only got maybe 1/2" last night, but all is appreciated. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation / Leg Movement
>>> Doesn't Feldmann have any naturally gaited horses to work with? I suspect that he rides and trains all his horses the same way, no matter what their nature. All the Icelandic's, Aiegenburgers (sp?), and Saddlebreds that I've seen in his videos seem to move exactly the same way. I wouldn't take that automatically to mean they can't gait naturally - only that he's not allowing it or showing it. They might, or they might not if they were given a chance. I have no idea what they'd do on their own. I've noticed that all the horses in Arnold Faber's videos seem to look the same way on his website - they look forced into their gaits. But, we have four horses born at Arnold's and they are all naturally gaited - three were started here. They are ridden very differently here though. Maja, Runa and Bjola tend slightly towards foxtrot, although they are all multi-gaited. Skjoni is a natural saddle-racker/fox-racker. I have no idea if we were just lucky and got really nice horses from that dispersal, but these are good horses. Funny, isn't it, that these lovely natural gaits aren't good enough for some people. Ironically, that grade mare whose video you just linked, the one who was pretty pacey, seems to be jolting her rider less than this Feldman horse is jolting his. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait / Jersey
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here are two videos of a grade mare: > > http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-gait-jersey.html Step pace - almost pure pace. Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Music for Mic
Thanks Wanda! I actually found it on the internet a while back, it's the music I used in my Hall of Shame video. Mic On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:33:22 -0600, you wrote: >At least I think it was Mic who liked this music. The name of the >song is Era-Ameno > >Here's a YouTube Video of it. > >http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=6SvxaNQ6d7M > >Wanda > >-- >Thoughts become things... > > > >IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses > >"The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, >contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and >unrealistic." > >"All truth passes through three stages. >First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. >Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer > > >[] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com >[] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com >[] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo >[] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation / Leg Movement
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ > > I have another question. What gait was that? I paused it in various > stages and couldn't get a read on what it was the horse was supposed > to be doing. It certainly wasn't a smooth gait. > > Was that supposed to be a trot? Some of the footfalls indicated that, > but the timing was slightly off. It was tolt in most parts, but a very rough tolt, probably not the horse's gait of choice, and probably not his natural gait. Lots of fighting the bit, so either the tack is wrong, too much contact, or the horse just doesn't want or can't be in that forced frame. Doesn't Feldmann have any naturally gaited horses to work with? Watching this is like trying to make a pig sing. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation / Leg Movement
>Here's a video where you can see the conformation of the front legs, and >the >winging movement (around 2.46 minutes, etc.): > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ >>>Interesting. Although he's a stallion who came 6th at the WC in tolt, his judging marks are pretty low - 7.46 overall, with 7.38 for conformation. Here is an image where you can see how bad his legs are in movement. His airborn left front leg sticks way out to the side, and his other three legs are pointed down towards the same point (like a "V"). Of course this poor conformation is going to tend to interfere. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com <>
Re: [IceHorses] Belly dickie for SE
> > Does Doppa act distracted and itchy all the time? When she's not eating or standing in her run-in, then she's scratching on a tree or log. She is defiontely more itchy than the average horse > > This waiting is so hard. We had rain last night, Be grateful - we haven't had any rain in weeks and weeks and everything is brown and crunchy - just like last year - it's awful - luckily there was a good first cutting of hay this year but if it doesn't rain soon there won't be a second or third cutting again this year. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation / Leg Movement
I was riding with an arab gelding this past weekend who would occasionally wing/paddle only one front leg, but not all the time. That's weird, I just got back from a ride with a young (4 yr old) Arab gelding who used his front feet really oddly. We sort of picked him apart in the wash rack when we got back and he was shiney wet and really easy to look at. He's a pretty nicely made colt with the exception of maybe having a little too steep a shoulder. Coming down hill at the walk, he sort of flipped his left front foot and his right front foot tracked "funny". He sort of planted it out to the side with each step. Although I have seen some endurance horses with very poor leg conformation, long term soundness for this pretty youngster concerns me. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Belly dickie for SE
>>> This may seem crazy but I don't know - we have lots of little gnats but >>> I also have bugs land on me that you can't see when they are moving. >>> The Swat and the EquiSpot keep the gnats off of her but the no see ums >>> must be landing. Her face is a mess(I keep a fly mask on her that I >>> spray with FlyGone), her belly is good so far, her chest is starting to >>> have places and so far, her mane is fine, but her mane has never been a >>> problem. Usually by thie point she has rubbed off half her tail but >>> this year the Swat has taken care of that so far. Does Doppa act distracted and itchy all the time? You'll have to bear with me because I know I'm going to have tons of questions. So far...SO FAR...Tivar isn't very itchy. Knock wood, fingers crossed... Granted, he's in an electric fence where he doesn't have much to rub on, but when he comes into the stall to eat, he may eventually rub a little, but it's not like he's dying to get somewhere to scratch. I occasionally see him rub his face on the water tub - it's a Rubbermaid with a rim, so he can rub on it if he wants. I panic every time I see him do it, but I keep reminding myself that they all rub sometimes. Janice said he rubbed constantly in FL, and he's certainly not doing that here. He spends most of his day nose-to-the-grass. I think it's still to early to decide if he's dramatically improved, or if he's just improved enough to be maintaining the status quo. He doesn't have any open sores any more - tomorrow will be two weeks. He's still flaking off some scabby-dandruff stuff in his mane, but I don't think it's getting worse. I'd feel better though if all the flakes would shed on out and his mane would fill in in those spots. He had some sores on his hips and sides, and I can see some hair regrowth in those spots. Oddly, his belly line seems fine. I've even stopped putting the swat on it. He's still in a fly mask, but I'm not putting the fly sheet on him, and I put a little swat around the edges of the mask. What I'm doing now is putting War Paint on him about once a week - I have some Poridon and EquiSpot and I may switch to one of them soon - and then I spray him with spray once a day. This waiting is so hard. We had rain last night, and now we're in a pattern where we could get thunderstorms any day. I remember what I read recently - don't get your hopes up, in case you're just in a favorable weather pattern that may be temporary. But, so far, so good. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] The Trot
Judy, It would be a huge help to me if you could also post pictures of an ideal trot, any breed, preferably rider on board so I could see what "correct" consists of. Thanks. Nancy
[IceHorses] O/T Music for Mic
At least I think it was Mic who liked this music. The name of the song is Era-Ameno Here's a YouTube Video of it. http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=6SvxaNQ6d7M Wanda -- Thoughts become things...
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
On 6/12/08, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > have her 'fixed' so I'll know more then. I'm avoiding having it > donethough, she just seems so tiny. > > > Yes, Bootsie too. At five months, she's old enough according to her vet, > but she weighs six lbs. I keep stalling about making the appointment. > We didn't have Arnie, our Yorkie (who is now 9 lbs at 1yr 3 mos) fixed until he was 8 mos old. I wanted to make sure he had a chance to lose all his puppy teeth. He still had quite a few that hadn't fallen out with the new one growing in at 6 mos. The vet said to wait a bit and if they didn't fall out by then they could pull the baby teeth when he got neutered. The rest fell out by 8 mos. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation
>> So it's not just >> the Icelandics where show people are snobs. > > I can honestly say that any sort of snobbishness is incredibly rare in > Icelandic horse show people in the UK - thank goodness. The same complaint comes up about the Peruvian show ring, but having been a newbie, an exhibitor, and now a steward just watching the proceedings, much of what is perceived as snobbery is just very distracted exhibitors trying to multitask on getting their horses and riders to the gate for the right class on time. But it's of concern to show management -- if people feel unwelcome they won't show, and ultimately the shows won't get put on. Last year a large local show, that had a number of schooling and trail classes for newbie exhibitors as part of the club's Silver Buckle Series of schooling shows, set aside one of the barns in a good location that exhibitors could ask to be assigned to -- the Silver Belt Buckle Barn. They had a nice mix of newbies, juniors, single horse veteran exhibitors -- perfect place to meet non-snobs and have a fun time showing your horse. Seemed to work -- the barn was full. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA ranch: http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/
Re: [IceHorses] Belly dickie for SE
> > Can you actually see the gnats that attack her? Or are they too small to > see? Has she had any scabs in her mane? This may seem crazy but I don't know - we have lots of little gnats but I also have bugs land on me that you can't see when they are moving. The Swat and the EquiSpot keep the gnats off of her but the no see ums must be landing. Her face is a mess(I keep a fly mask on her that I spray with FlyGone), her belly is good so far, her chest is starting to have places and so far, her mane is fine, but her mane has never been a problem. Usually by thie point she has rubbed off half her tail but this year the Swat has taken care of that so far. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] The Trot
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:04:22 -0700, you wrote: >[] The gait is not a *pure* trot. Why would you say that about the top right picture? Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation / Leg Movement
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:30:14 -0700, you wrote: >Here's a video where you can see the conformation of the front legs, and the >winging movement (around 2.46 minutes, etc.): > >http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ Interesting. Although he's a stallion who came 6th at the WC in tolt, his judging marks are pretty low - 7.46 overall, with 7.38 for conformation. Here are his marks: Head7 Neck-Withers-Shoulders 7 Back and Croup 8 Proportions 7.5 Legs (quality) 7.5 Legs (joints) 7 Hooves 7.5 Conformation7.38 Ridden abilities Tölt8.5 Trot8 Pace5 Gallop 7.5 Temperament 8 Character 7 General impression 7.5 Walk8 Rideability 7.55 Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] Belly dickie for SE
>>> On Doppa, I have found the only place the bugs bite on her belly is the >>> ventral line and keeping Swat takes care of that problem and seems to be >>> easier to me. Now her face is another matter - her poor face is eaten >>> up - I guess I'll have to cover that with Swat, too. Can you actually see the gnats that attack her? Or are they too small to see? Has she had any scabs in her mane? Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] What Gait / Jersey
Here are two videos of a grade mare: http://gaited-horse.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-gait-jersey.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Belly dickie for SE
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.specialtyhorsegear.com/bellydickie.html > On Doppa, I have found the only place the bugs bite on her belly is the ventral line and keeping Swat takes care of that problem and seems to be easier to me. Now her face is another matter - her poor face is eaten up - I guess I'll have to cover that with Swat, too. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation / Leg Movement
> 2008/6/12 Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Here's a video where you can see the conformation > of the front legs, and the > > winging movement (around 2.46 minutes, etc.): > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ What, other than conformation, would cause occasional winging or paddling? I was riding with an arab gelding this past weekend who would occasionally wing/paddle only one front leg, but not all the time. Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Now, have we beat this dead horse enough, yet? > > > I think conformation is a very interesting and > important subject, and > personally, I can't imagine over-discussing it. There's discussing, then there's making the same point over and over without adding anything new. Then there's also getting rantish when someone else has another, differing point of view. At least it wasn't me getting the "rant" this time, but now I guess it will be my turn! ;-) Time to use the delete key :-D Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation / Leg Movement
2008/6/12 Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Here's a video where you can see the conformation of the front legs, and the > winging movement (around 2.46 minutes, etc.): > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ I have another question. What gait was that? I paused it in various stages and couldn't get a read on what it was the horse was supposed to be doing. It certainly wasn't a smooth gait. Was that supposed to be a trot? Some of the footfalls indicated that, but the timing was slightly off. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation / Leg Movement
> I spent ages hunting all over YouTube and couldn't find anything > better than that one. That's the trouble with the > audience/judges/photographers/cameramen always being at the side of > the oval or pace track. Here's a video where you can see the conformation of the front legs, and the winging movement (around 2.46 minutes, etc.): http://youtube.com/watch?v=jg9PdIP0QhQ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Belly dickie for SE
http://www.specialtyhorsegear.com/bellydickie.html Virginia Tupper NB, Canada
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation
>>> Now, have we beat this dead horse enough, yet? I think conformation is a very interesting and important subject, and personally, I can't imagine over-discussing it. I've enjoyed hearing how Laree, Lynn, Nancy and a few others with "other horse" experience feel about certain conformation traits and I'm glad that Cherie sent the Fjord links - that was an eye-opener for me, and I hope a few others will read it. If you aren't interested, maybe you could just pass on reading these e-mails. Sometimes I pass on reading posts that aren't interesting to me - I suspect we all do. There will never be topics that we are equally interested in, but sometimes, I really like to go a little more in depth than most of our discussions go... Maybe Janice needs to send us some more Beefcake Donny pictures... Seriously, I enjoy some the off-topic chatter, particularly Janice's humor, but sometimes I like to delve into certain topics in a little more detail. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Delicate Horse
>>> "Delicate horse" is not really a way that I'd describe Icelandics :-) Me either, nor is it what I want in a horse. However, I was looking through some stallion evaluation scores, and many of the USA stallions who got good scores for comments, also had the comment, "light body" and/or "long legs." Nancy, I wonder if a light-bodied, long-legged Icelandic would feel so surefooted on the trail. Curious - what does the list think of the phrase, "cylindrical body" in regards to an Icelandic Horse? Would that be something you want, don't want, don't have a clue, or don't care one way or another...? Does it I also was disturbed when I looked through the scores of US stallions on the Tolt News stallion CD that was published about 2-3 years ago that the average of leg scores were 7.5 and 7.4. That's average and below average. The average for neck/withers/shoulders was 8.3, and the average for manes/tails was 8.2. I think there were 20 stallions on the CD, probably most evaluated were in Iceland before they were exported to the USA. There were several scores of 7's and even one 6.5 for joints. I got excited when I saw that one stallion got a "10" for "leg quality"...then I felt deflated when I saw that the comment included "abundant feathers." At least two had the "abundant feathers" comment. I was further disappointed to see that this same horse's score for "leg structure" (which I believe focuses on the joints - cow hocks, toed in/out, etc.) was only a 7.5 - average. Oh well. I think many, if not most, of these stallions had a composite score high enough to be awarded "first prize" status. That scares me that horses with weak legs can still attain that title. Of course, I'm assuming that the scores are based on sound judging principles, and I'm not positive of that. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation
>>> I can honestly say that any sort of snobbishness is incredibly rare in >>> Icelandic horse show people in the UK - thank goodness. I don't know how it is in other countries, but after having horses for 15 years, and having a daughter that showed for several years, I was totally unprepared for the rudeness I found in the USA show people. Now, some of the "normal" Icelandic people (Anneliese and Olaf to name two) were some of the friendliest, most welcoming folks I can imagine. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:16:25 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >So it's not just >the Icelandics where show people are snobs. I can honestly say that any sort of snobbishness is incredibly rare in Icelandic horse show people in the UK - thank goodness. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As far as > throatlatches, etc., - the traits that may have > some effect on certain > performance skills That's the same tho in every breed be it dog or horse. The "little" things that are not for form or function are important to "type" which is what helps define the different breeds. Now, have we beat this dead horse enough, yet? Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I first got into this breed, I was stunned by > how rudely the "show > people" were to me. I know that others have said > the same thing. Well, the same could be said of the dog show crowd. Let's see, I started showing dogs when I was 7 and now I'm 47, which gives me 40 years of experience of the dog show "snobs". I just ignore it. So it's not just the Icelandics where show people are snobs. And the stories my 3 day eventing friend could tell of those snobs wouldn't even compare to what you are talking about. Assholes are assholes everywhere, no one breed or species of "fans" have a monopoly on assholeishness! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
[IceHorses] Delicate Horse
>From a blog: >>I saw my favorite horse breed: Icelandic Pony. It's not really a pony at >>all, more of a delicate horse. The stallion in the field looked like a >>rastafarian wannabe. He was hilarious and beautiful, a punk rock teenager. >>It will always be my favorite and it will always be unattainable - being >>incredibly expensive in Europe and rare as well in the states.<< "Delicate horse" is not really a way that I'd describe Icelandics :-) Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Radio Interviews
Several good radio interviews here, including Jane Savoie, JP Giacomini, and a show on Riding With Lightness: http://www.bestofthewowfactor.com/ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] OT but really cool
> http://community.webtv.net/Velpics/HUM That was amazing! Even more amazing when getting to the last picture of the size of the nest. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] New topic
with my walkers always a sensation of lungeing up a steep hill. with teev it was a weird feeling that all was thesame as on a flat ride. same energy expended. no sensation of having to pour on extra power. he felt powerful like a jeep. or four wheel drive. janice
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation
>>> Probably not but there is a chance that allowed to go to the extreme >>> some of these faults could affect performance - remember, a breed >>> standard is an ideal to strive for and while never expecting perfection, >>> it should be what you are aiming for. I think the key is just to put >>> the bigger values where they are most important - Form Follows Function. Sure...and maybe throatlatches will eventually come up on my radar screen when this breed gets a proper focus on legs! Seriously, I still haven't seen a breed standard where at least a couple of items are more beauty-focused than function-inspired, and I could care less about those. Maja is one of the bravest, most-trainable, nicely gaited mares, I know, with conformation to carry weight, and impeccable nuturing skills for her foals... but she has small eyes. WhoopDeeDoo. As far as throatlatches, etc., - the traits that may have some effect on certain performance skills - that sort of gets back to the issue of "improving" the breed, as opposed to "preserving" the breed. There's that saying "all things being equal"...but I've never yet seen a situation where small eyes or an "unclean" throatlatch came into play in my decision to breed, or not breed, an Icelandic horse. In my world, there are always bigger issues that determine my decisions. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
2008/6/12 Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yes, Bootsie too. At five months, she's old enough according to her vet, > but she weighs six lbs. I keep stalling about making the appointment. Oh...you must send more pics of her... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] OT but really cool
Thanks, Laree. Very cool indeed. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
have her 'fixed' so I'll know more then. I'm avoiding having it donethough, she just seems so tiny. Yes, Bootsie too. At five months, she's old enough according to her vet, but she weighs six lbs. I keep stalling about making the appointment. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
2008/6/12 Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Sophie may be the world's cutest dog. How much does she weigh now? > > Nancy Not sure. She was 5.5 lbs at her last visit. I have to arrange to have her 'fixed' so I'll know more then. I'm avoiding having it done though, she just seems so tiny. Wanda -- Thoughts become things...
[IceHorses] Re: Conformation
Hi Karen > I have a video of an Icelandic evaluation and there's a place where you can > actually see and hear a judge LAUGH at a particular horse, during the > horse's test ride. The horse didn't do anything particuarly silly either - > he/she just wasn't up to the judge's standard "more speed, more lift" > mentality. I can't remember ever hearing or seeing a judge laugh at a > "poor" performance before. To me, that was beyond "tacky", and totally > unprofessional. how do you know that the judge did laugh at the horses performance?? Did you hear additional comments of him?? Or did he just laugh for any other reason?? You might consider that breeding judges in Icland sometimes sit there almost a week in a single evaluation, so they might be allowed to not look dead serious all day long! Jasmin
[IceHorses] OT but really cool
Amazing photos of a Hummingbird birth, from eggs to flight. These are wonderful photos..THE BIRTH OF A HUMMINGBIRD This is truly amazing. Be sure to click on NEXT PAGE at the bottom of each page; there are 5 pages in all. A lady found a hummingbird nest and got pictures all the way from the egg to leaving the nest. Took 24 days from birth to flight. Because you'll probably never in your lifetime see this again, enjoy; and please share. Go to this site http://community.webtv.net/Velpics/HUM -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
Re: [IceHorses] New topic
It's not that the others weren't reasonably surefooted, it's just that the Icelandic's took surefootedness to another level. In my one-horse saample group that is SO true. Tosca never takes a bad step. And she makes me laugh out loud riding her. nancy
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
Sophie may be the world's cutest dog. How much does she weigh now? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation
>>> The horses are usually presented by the owners. How democratic... ;) >>> According to the internet chatting I see, the Fjord guys who show seem >>> to be very willing to help novice people at their first shows. They do >>> Western and English (usually traditional, correct dressage) and of >>> course the driving and draft stuff. When I first got into this breed, I was stunned by how rudely the "show people" were to me. I know that others have said the same thing. >>> It's interesting in that I have never heard any Fjord folks unhappy with >>> how the evaluations are done. There are always three judges and they >>> are happy to answer questions. I have a video of an Icelandic evaluation and there's a place where you can actually see and hear a judge LAUGH at a particular horse, during the horse's test ride. The horse didn't do anything particuarly silly either - he/she just wasn't up to the judge's standard "more speed, more lift" mentality. I can't remember ever hearing or seeing a judge laugh at a "poor" performance before. To me, that was beyond "tacky", and totally unprofessional. Karen Thomas, NC IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation
>>> Hunter, with his fine long neck and clean throat latch, is inclined to >>> travel hollow >>> and/or ventroflexed. Tosca, with her short heavy neck, is NEVER >>> ventroflexed and >>> travels along in a workman like way with her head in a nice relaxed natural >>> position. That's a good point. Some "gaited horse people" get the idea that trot is a dorsiflexed gait. It can be, but it can also be a ventroflexed or neutral gait. I've seen some awfully hollow-backed three-gaited horses at some of the little local shows. The swan-necked, show-type Arabs and Saddlebreds seem particularly prone to it. A horse's natural conformation, his state of mind, plus the way they are ridden, are big influences, in addition to the biomechanics of the particular gait. Karen Thomas, NC IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] New topic
>>> Is there any kind of advantage in her small stature and the fact that she >>> is closer >>> to the ground and weighs less than, for instance, my friend's 15.3 h >>> Appaloosa? Before I got Sina, the horses I mainly rode were 16.2H Sundance, 16.1H Joe, and 14.1H Holly. I also rode 15.3H Mac.All of these are fairly substantial boned horses - Sundance and Mac were tanks. None of these were/are silly or skittish, all were what most would consider good trail horses, so I don't think that personality factors have too much to do with my feelings about these horses. I like/liked all of these horses a lot. I can't define the difference, but I have always had the feeling on the Icelandic's that they are Sherman tanks calmly rolling through whatever I point them to. It's not that the others weren't reasonably surefooted, it's just that the Icelandic's took surefootedness to another level. Maybe it's their center of gravities being lower. Maybe it's their calmness, coupled with the low center of gravity. Whatever it is, I don't know how many times I've gotten that same comment from people who have ridden here on our horses who were used to big horses. When I say this though, remember that all of my Icelandic's came here with minimal training. Most were unstarted or barely greenbroke, and thus were started not so differently from the other-breed horses we've had. Only one of ours was started with what might be considered show-type riding, and he wasn't ridden that way for very long, and he had some time to "chill" before we pushed him too hard on the trail. I don't necessarily think I'd feel that way about the breed if I had to ride some of the trained-to-be-hot Icelandic's I've seen. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Re: FIZO breeding (conformation) rules
>>> The health issue you mentioned might be the simple problem of using them >>> too early, >>> too hard. I think EPSM is more common in warmbloods than in the general population. I don't know THAT many warmbloods, but I know two who have had it, as well as some other rather odd illnesses. Illnesses aren't generally caused from horses being started too early. And, if you've read Dr. Deb's conformation books, you'll know that large horses were bred to pull, and really aren't built to carry weight - just carrying their own weight stresses their frames. That's simple physics, although starting them too early would likely make it worse. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Re: FIZO breeding (conformation) rules
>>> I don't see that being a pleasure or distance horse constitutes an >>> exception to >>> warmblood breed standards. I don't want to be out on the trail and have to turn around and double back on a 17H horse with a back a mile long if I happen to find a tree down on a narrow trail that just happens to be on the edge of a cliff. I don't want to have to detour off the trail into thick, uncleared woods on such a horse, if there's an unexpected obstacle in the way, or a bridge out, whatever. My Sunny was warmblood-sized (16.2H and 1300 pounds in his prime, but of QH-build) and as much as I loved him, and as sensible as he typically was on the trail, his bulk wasn't any help on the trail. I want a horse that I can actually maneuver, and just as it takes more room to turn an 18-wheeler than a Honda Civic, a 14H-or-under horse is going to be easier to turn around. I'm not so sure that warmblood size is really an advantage in dressage, it probably is somewhat in jumpers...but on the trail, I'm sure that smaller horses have many advantages. Just because someone COULD use an 18-wheeler for their daily commute-to-office-work vehicle, doesn't mean that many people want to. :) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation
> > And does that affect your ability to enjoy her on the trail...? ;) Probably not but there is a chance that allowed to go to the extreme some of these faults could affect performance - remember, a breed standard is an ideal to strive for and while never expecting perfection, it should be what you are aiming for. I think the key is just to put the bigger values where they are most important - Form Follows Function. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
RE: [IceHorses] Conformation
>Just curious, Cherie, do a lot of Fjord owners present and ride their own >horses? The horses are usually presented by the owners. Some of the bigger Fjord farms have trainers who live on the farm and train for the owners. In that case, the trainers present with the owner there. According to the internet chatting I see, the Fjord guys who show seem to be very willing to help novice people at their first shows. They do Western and English (usually traditional, correct dressage) and of course the driving and draft stuff. It's interesting in that I have never heard any Fjord folks unhappy with how the evaluations are done. There are always three judges and they are happy to answer questions. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1474 - Release Date: 5/30/2008 7:44 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Re: FIZO breeding (conformation) rules
Otherwise that willing and luke-warmish disposition is perfect for pleasure riding. Good point, Lynn. Of the handful ( a dozen maybe?) of Warmbloods I've been around, all had that pleasing pleasant temperment. One local woman rides out with us from time to time on a huge Art Decco gelding. He couldn't be a better trail horse. He has a wonderful expression, ears perked foreward with interest, soft kind eye and he uses his body beautifully on the steep trails. Our grandaughter bought a cheap $10,000 colt and brought him along for several years until she sold him recently for the reduced price of $25,000. He was quiet, mannerly and a delight to be around. They're just too expensive and, for me, too big to choose for use primarily as a trail horse. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] New topic
2008/6/12 Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Sure seems like it to me, but I have the same low "center of gravity" and I > sure don't climb like some of my taller leaner friends. I don't know Nancy, it sounds as though you've conditioned her carefully and thoughtfully. I suspect you worry about her weight and her nutritional intake. I bet you body clip her during the heat. You ensure her feet are in good shape. You shopped long and hard for a saddle that works for her. You sound like a careful owner that avoids pushing a youngster too hard or too fast. It's not surprising that she's blossoming. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Evaluations and Improving Conformation
2008/6/12 stroppelj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > http://www.stormhestar.de/german/horse_view.asp?ID=63149# > video here: > http://www.hestafrettir.go.is/stodhestar/?stodhID=IS2002177797#top > click on spila myndband > > he also is a very good mover (not regarding to the marks, he doesn't > show enough speed in the gaits ;-), but I like him very much, very > supple, always light in the hand, have a look at the video, and don't > look at the position of the saddle!) Thanks Jasmin. Are there any good conformation photos of him, or videos of him moving without rider interference? I'd like to see more of him. Lack of good conformation photos or videos is something sadly lacking not just in the icelandic world, but everywhere. Leg photos are often oddly angled or completely missing OR the horse is standing camped out. When I see a horse standing camped out...I immediately think ... 'ah...problems with the legs". Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] New topic
her center of gravity is lower and that may help. <;p] Sure seems like it to me, but I have the same low "center of gravity" and I sure don't climb like some of my taller leaner friends. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: Gait Descriptions
> Here are some gait descriptions of walk, trot, pace, and canter: > I definitely recognise the pace. That is Ofeigs preffered gait for the very muddy places. I must get a video of it some time. Sue coombes
[IceHorses] Re: Evaluations and Improving Conformation
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:10:17 -0600, you wrote: > > > If he's out there, he should be one of the most popular > >stallions alive.. > > Only if he's a pretty colour. With lots of mane and tail and feather! > *joke* > > Mic > > > Mic (Michelle) Rushen > ok we have f.e. DE-1999.1.63-188 Léttfeti (staning in Germany) he got 8.5 for legs and 9 for joints, fourgaited with 7.98 for riding abilities. (his father has 8 for legs and 8 for joints http://www.stormhestar.de/german/horse_view.asp?ID=1707# in addition nice colour :-) Dreki vom Wotanshof http://www.stormhestar.de/german/horse_view.asp?ID=72932 9 for joints 7.5 for legs (comment, not well separated tendonds, whereas there is a lot of discussion, if this is really a minus) same father as Lettfeti DK1998105429 Tjaldur frá Skullerup http://www.stormhestar.de/german/horse_view.asp?ID=48465 9 for legs 8.5 for joints, and very nice colour (blackpinto roan) and mane (9) an older one IS1968135800 Blesi frá Skáney 9 for legs and 9 for joints, no registered offsprings IS1971138780 Prins frá Stórholti 9 for legs and 9 for joints, no registered offsprings IS1974157571 Sámur frá Vallanesi 8.5 for legs and 9 for joints, no registeed offsprings IS1988165895 Gustur frá Hóli, one of the best stallions and no, you won't get a place for your mare with him :-) http://www.stormhestar.de/german/horse_view.asp?ID=224 8 for legs, 9 for joints (his Blup for legs 101, for joints 116, with a security of 99%, so he also passes good joints to his offsprings) IS1991156276 - Glaður von Hólabaki 9.5 for joints, 7.5 for legs, Blup 116 for joints, 98 for legs) http://www.stormhestar.de/german/horse_view.asp?ID=871# IS1995176330 Atgeir frá Tókastöðum (son of Gustur) 8 for legs, 9 for joints http://www.stormhestar.de/german/horse_view.asp?ID=12033 IS1997186562 Gímir frá Kálfholti 8 for legst, 9 for joints http://www.stormhestar.de/german/horse_view.asp?ID=30957 IS2000135465 Metingur frá Vestri-Leirárgörðum 8 for legs, 9 for joints (9 for mane and tail) http://www.stormhestar.de/german/horse_view.asp?ID=19717 IS2001157339 Geisli frá Gýgjarhóli 8 for legs, 9 for joints IS2001186806 Gídeon frá Lækjarbotnum 8 for legs, 9 for joints foalpicture. http://www.stormhestar.de/german/horse_view.asp?ID=37226 and last but not least at all: one of my favourites, very nice colour in addition to good conformation: IS2002177797 Höttur frá Hofi I head 9 neck-withers-shoulder 9 back-croup 9 proportins 9 legs 8.5 joints 9 hoofs 8 mane and tail 8.5 conformation overall 8.76 http://www.stormhestar.de/german/horse_view.asp?ID=63149# video here: http://www.hestafrettir.go.is/stodhestar/?stodhID=IS2002177797#top click on spila myndband he also is a very good mover (not regarding to the marks, he doesn't show enough speed in the gaits ;-), but I like him very much, very supple, always light in the hand, have a look at the video, and don't look at the position of the saddle!) Jasmin
Re: [IceHorses] Conformation / Finnish Stallion
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:31:50 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks for the link, Mic. Not too much usable there. Are there any other >videos of Icelandic Horses moving towards the camera? > I spent ages hunting all over YouTube and couldn't find anything better than that one. That's the trouble with the audience/judges/photographers/cameramen always being at the side of the oval or pace track. >A video of that movement should be included in every stallion's marketing >information. Agreed. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] Evaluations and Improving Conformation
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:10:17 -0600, you wrote: > If he's out there, he should be one of the most popular >stallions alive.. Only if he's a pretty colour. With lots of mane and tail and feather! *joke* Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] Re: FIZO breeding (conformation) rules
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:15:26 -, you wrote: >Maybe not in US, but you know, here in Europe, Warmbloods are the >domestic breed. So for a long time, these were the horses all riders >used. Our neighbours have half a dozen Warmbloods that are used mainly for trail riding (parents and 5 kids), plus a bit of low key local level dressage and jumping, bit of hunting in the winter etc. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
