Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
dapples are a totally different genetic marker. Dapples exist on their own, in any color, even black. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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oh! there are even " reverse dapples" janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
On 08/07/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's pretty consistent with what we have too. Loftur has dapples, and > he's a bay dun. I just posted some pics of Gusti and Dagur...they don't have dapples either. Both are chestnuts...though Gusti has a dun stripe. Wanda
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>>> We have 5 chestnuts here, no dapples on any of them. 3 of the have flaxen mane and tails. We have dapples on our bay pinto, and on 4 out of 5 the silver dappled horses, and some of our black horses, the black (without the fading gene) Dis has dapples as does some of the fading gene blacks. That's pretty consistent with what we have too. Loftur has dapples, and he's a bay dun. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM
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On 08/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes she is beautiful, now can I have her? Please. What a pretty color she > is, I would have thought that was a palamino color. > Sylvia Hi Sylvia, yes, she's pretty.and you might be right, she could be a dark palomino colour. It might be interesting for those of you out there with offspring of hers. She's our little retired Amma...she was 23 in March. Wanda
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On 08/07/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, Wanda, I'm about as bad with colors as I am with gaits! But > she's beautiful...her coloring reminds me of what was called a chocolate > palomino out west. You have chocolatey saddles and chocolatey horses! > > Trish It must be some kind of subliminal thing with mechocolate...hmm ... yes. Chocolate is very good for you BTWit's some kind of antioxidant and can lower blood pressure. But yes, she's a pretty little thing. Wanda
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>> Sorry, Wanda, I'm about as bad with colors as I am with gaits! But she's >> beautiful...her coloring reminds me of what was called a chocolate palomino >> out west. You have chocolatey saddles and chocolatey horses! Well, Trish, since Wanda says she has black hairs mixed in, I wonder if you might be right. :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Colour Question
> Can anyone else get any pictures of dappling on a known chestnut > horse? A good many of my horses show dapples, but oddly, none of > my chestnuts do. I'd never thought about that until Wanda brought > it up. We have 5 chestnuts here, no dapples on any of them. 3 of the have flaxen mane and tails. We have dapples on our bay pinto, and on 4 out of 5 the silver dappled horses, and some of our black horses, the black (without the fading gene) Dis has dapples as does some of the fading gene blacks. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
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On 08/07/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wanda - does Kria have any black hair mixed in? Smutty (sooty) palominos > have some black hairs mixed in - the Sponenberg books says some can be as > dark as some chestnuts. I think those may be what are called chocolate > palominos? Yes, there is dark hair mixed in. And the oddest thing is...when she changes her coat...for the first few weeks she has an oddly 'blackish" colour to her. Very strange. It's more noticeable when she's getting her winter coat in, but it's so subtle I'm not sure a camera could capture it. Wanda
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I was always told dappling was a sign of good health. Even by jet black TWH mare dapples in the summer - you just have to stand just right in the light to see it, tho. I've heard that too, but I really think there must be more to it than that. I suspect that they may show better on some horses when they are in good health, but some horses never seem to show dapples, and some always seem to show them. My old QH never lost his dapples and he was in bad health for the last 5 years of his life. Svertla's dapples don't show strongly, but I could even see a faint trace of them when she was about a "1" or "2" on the 1-10 body condition score. I don't know that for sure, but I seriously think there's probably a color/pigment aspect to dapples that is also a factor. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I bring up the smutty thing (maybe I should say sooty, since smutty > sounds like a dig at her morals!) because Tifa appears to have it - > she's Kria's granddaughter. Saga (Kria's daughter) doesn't seem > to, not obviously, and I can't see anything like that in Melnir - I > don't have a clue about the heritability of the sooty effect. > > Karen Thomas, NC I just remembered we did have a silver dapple chestnut here that had sooty mane and tail, he had black hairs mixed in, and he showed dapples in the spring and fall, it was pretty cool. All the local people here called him a palimino, its a Very popular color here, so we never corrected anybody.it got too complicated. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
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--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All: > > Can a chestnut flaxen have dappling? Kria's colouring looks almost > like some silver dappling is happening. > > Thoughts? > > Wanda > Mabye she really is a silver dapple chestnut...who knows, but her color is Very Pretty. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
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>>>Can anyone else get any pictures of dappling on a known chestnut horse? A
>>>good many of my horses show dapples, but oddly, none of my chestnuts do.
>>>I'd never thought about that until Wanda brought it up.
I'm answering my own question, sort of. Here's what the Sponenberg book says,
("Horse Color", 1983, by Philip Sponenberg and Bonnie V. Beaver, page 28.)
"Dappling is a network of darker areas imposed over lighter areas, and can be
present on any color. The effect is the result of some fundamental differences
in the hair of various areas of the skin, so dapples can even be seen on black
horses. Dappling is generally most noticeable when the horses change their
hair coats in the spring and fall, but is present throughout the year on silver
dapples and many greys."
I couldn't immediately find a picture of a dappled chestnut in his book
though...maybe they don't occur so often on chestnuts...?
Wanda - does Kria have any black hair mixed in? Smutty (sooty) palominos have
some black hairs mixed in - the Sponenberg books says some can be as dark as
some chestnuts. I think those may be what are called chocolate palominos?
I bring up the smutty thing (maybe I should say sooty, since smutty sounds like
a dig at her morals!) because Tifa appears to have it - she's Kria's
granddaughter. Saga (Kria's daughter) doesn't seem to, not obviously, and I
can't see anything like that in Melnir - I don't have a clue about the
heritability of the sooty effect.
Karen Thomas, NC
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Wanda Lauscher wrote: > Hi All: > > Can a chestnut flaxen have dappling? Kria's colouring looks almost > like some silver dappling is happening. > > Thoughts? Sorry, Wanda, I'm about as bad with colors as I am with gaits! But she's beautiful...her coloring reminds me of what was called a chocolate palomino out west. You have chocolatey saddles and chocolatey horses! Trish
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>>> A chestnut horse does not have any black mane or tail hair for the silver >>> gene to have an effect on. So a chestnut horse can carry the silver gene >>> but it will have no effect on their visual color. Yes, but you have to first know that the horse is indeed chestnut. A lot of silver dapple bays have been mistakenly registered as chestnut, so what you just said isn't enough really to go on. Wanda, do you see any traces of dark coloring around her lower legs, where the black points would be on a bay? The other color that comes to my mind is palomino - Sina shows strong dappling as do a lot of palominos I know, and palominos are chestnut with cream. Kria is such a light sorrel - I wonder if she could actually be a dark palomino? That's another color distinction that can be hard to see. Can anyone else get any pictures of dappling on a known chestnut horse? A good many of my horses show dapples, but oddly, none of my chestnuts do. I'd never thought about that until Wanda brought it up. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Can a chestnut flaxen have dappling? << I was always told dappling was a sign of good health. Even by jet black TWH mare dapples in the summer - you just have to stand just right in the light to see it, tho. Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
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> Can a chestnut flaxen have dappling? Any horse can have dapples. > Kria's colouring looks almost like some silver dappling is happening. The silver (dapple) gene doesn't really have anything to do with the dapples. The silver (dapple) gene changes *black* mane and tail hair to a silver color. Silver dapple horses just often have dappling. A chestnut horse does not have any black mane or tail hair for the silver gene to have an effect on. So a chestnut horse can carry the silver gene but it will have no effect on their visual color. HTH Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
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Yes she is beautiful, now can I have her? Please. What a pretty color she is, I would have thought that was a palamino color. Sylvia ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
