Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
> Well after 11 months you have a whole new hoof anyway, so with good > care it should grow outgood job! There are cracks though caused > by unbalanced trimming...some horses that are pigeon toed have this > happen because the farrier tries to correct the pigeon toe on an > adult horse...and with something like that, cracks can happen. > > > Skye No, Skye, it was finally the fungicide that did the trick, not regular good hoof care which she had for years. The horse had been here since 1996, came with that crack and we tried things for years and years with no results; nothing worked until I tried the fungicide. What I am saying is that if you have a stubborn hoof crack, try the fungicide. Anneliese
RE: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
> Betadine is not antifungal? I use betadine or diluted iodine on > rain rot and > it works. And rain rot is caused by a fungus isn't it? I am going > to have to > read up on that. The betadyne or diluted iodine is probably just drying out the rain rot, but not necessarily killing it. Mary Dudley, LVT
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems, rain rot
there are so many varieties of things... one time I waded on a shore near a papermill and I got the weirdest little fungus or whatever, it spread and was composed of large pus-filled bumops and right in the center of each one was a big round black dot. I told my husband it was bubonic plague. It was very hard to cure until I poured straight bleach on it. It hurt really bad but killed it instantly! lord only knows. some papermill rot deal...-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems, rain rot
right now my horses have something weird! I am familiar with most types of rainrot, but this is little, small, like pencil eraser sized nubby bumps and so far the hair isnt falling out but if you scratch it with your fingernail it comes off easily and is like scaley dust. And betadine didnt help it. So next is bleach. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
a good way to apply is to take a syringe and put the medicine, whatever you use, and put the needle barely in the cracks and squirt real forcefully and get it all up in there. Is exspecially good if you have some hoof wall separation. or you could make them stand the foot in something where the solution is deep enough. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
--- Anneliese Virro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Well remember that betadine is not anti-fungal, and there is > usually > > a secondary fungal infection with the bacteria of thrush. So if > you > > use Gentian violet, it will kill both things at once and for A > LOT > > Less money...its cheap... > > > > We recommend weekly treatment, in harder areas or with horses who > can > > develop thrush easily. > > > > Skye > > Skye: > > Betadine is not antifungal? I use betadine or diluted iodine on > rain rot and > it works. And rain rot is caused by a fungus isn't it? I am going > to have to > read up on that. Yep. I just asked the doc to make sure, She says bleach will kill both, but can be too harsh for the area. Gentian violet works great and is cheap.they use that a lot for womens pap smears at least in the clinics and universities that Sally went to and worked in. > > Incidentally, I was not talking about thrush but a 3-4 mm crack > right up the > middle of the hoof. I have no idea how that relates to thrush. We > had tried > all sorts of things and then my friend Marianne (an MD) suggested > that I > should try a fungicide on the crack. I did and the crack grew out > completely > in eleven months. > > Anneliese Well after 11 months you have a whole new hoof anyway, so with good care it should grow outgood job! There are cracks though caused by unbalanced trimming...some horses that are pigeon toed have this happen because the farrier tries to correct the pigeon toe on an adult horse...and with something like that, cracks can happen. Skye
RE: [IceHorses] Hoof problems, rain rot
>>Betadine is not antifungal? I use betadine or diluted iodine on rain rot and >>it works. And rain rot is caused by a fungus isn't it? I am going to have to >>read up on that. Betadine is an antibacterial and antifungal. Rain rot is a bacterium that has some fungal-like properties. Another reason why betadine works is it's somewhat drying and rain rot cannot live in a dry environment. Also, rain rot in anaerobic and doesn't do well around air. When I lived in Marin county, CA, rain rot was common. My horse never got it because I made sure to dry him out between rains. Minimally, I vigorously brushed him and fluffed his hair to let air in to his skin. (He was a Welsh/Arabian, not Icelandic). It probably takes longer for rain to get down to the skin on a hairy Icelandic, but once it got down there, it would probably stay moist. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
On 11/15/07 7:07 PM, "Bia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I use straight iodine but...what is gentian violet exactly? > Thanks Bia: There is 1% iodine and there is 7% (also called strong iodine). Be really careful with the 7% stuff it can really burn the skin; for most application it should be used very diluted. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
> > Well remember that betadine is not anti-fungal, and there is usually > a secondary fungal infection with the bacteria of thrush. So if you > use Gentian violet, it will kill both things at once and for A LOT > Less money...its cheap... > > We recommend weekly treatment, in harder areas or with horses who can > develop thrush easily. > > Skye Skye: Betadine is not antifungal? I use betadine or diluted iodine on rain rot and it works. And rain rot is caused by a fungus isn't it? I am going to have to read up on that. Incidentally, I was not talking about thrush but a 3-4 mm crack right up the middle of the hoof. I have no idea how that relates to thrush. We had tried all sorts of things and then my friend Marianne (an MD) suggested that I should try a fungicide on the crack. I did and the crack grew out completely in eleven months. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
On 11/15/07 6:41 PM, "Anna Hopkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Annilese mentioned putting a fungicide on the hooves for non-healing > hoof cracks. Any one have suggestions on type or brand. Janice > suggested Thrushbuster from Saddleup tack but Susan doesn't have it > listed on her site. I found in Valley vet, Thrushbuster by Mustad, > but it sounds very strong and if it's not really thrush, but some > other fungus or bacteria, will it still work. Has any one tried > soaking hooves with bleach or betadine. My farrier suggested bleach > soaking, but I forgot the formula. Any input would be appreciated. > At this point I'm just reading descriptions in the catalogue. I > thought I'd try two different types just to cover my bases. I used a > few treatments of a Hoof disinfectant by Farrier's Formula, but now > I'm out of it. Anna: I honestly think it does not matter what you use, any kind of fungicide will do. I used whatever I had on hand: iodine, coppertox, fungaway - bleach would probably also work. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
On Nov 15, 2007 6:41 PM, Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Annilese mentioned putting a fungicide on the hooves for non-healing > hoof cracks. I battled thrush with one of our horses for years. Seriously, over two years. Thrush, contracted heels, long toe/low heel. I have pictures around here that are NASTY. I really like Tomorrow, a dairy cow Mastitis treatment. We tried everything from Bleach, Betadine, Formaldyn, Thrushbuster, Keratex, etc... and the horse got to the point he'd refuse to pick his feet up because I was always hurting him with crap. The Tomorrow didn't work really quick, it took about 2 weeks, but it didn't seem to HURT when I applied it, and his hooves are healthy and fungus free a year later. (he's now barefoot and I trim him myself) Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
RE: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
Believe it or not Betadine mixed with sugar and slathered in the cracks works really well for hoof cracks that don't grow out well. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
Skye's got a point...sometimes non-healing cracks, especially in the toes or quarters are from long toes or flares that don't get trimmed properly and the hoof wall is constantly getting pulled away from sensitive laminae. Kind of like slowly pulling your fingernail up from the nail bed, then the whit line gets stretched and bacteria/fungus can take up residence. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
I use straight iodine but...what is gentian violet exactly? Thanks
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
--- Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Annilese mentioned putting a fungicide on the hooves for non-healing hoof cracks. Well White Lightning is good as is Save a Hoof thrush formula... However, what type of cracks? Non healing cracks can be for different reasons including the trim, or type of shoesor weather conditions or what type of bacteria in your pasture... Anyway, if it is a thrush medication, White Lightning works great...the Save a hoof one you can apply to the outside of the coronary band and it soaks in from the outside, it is a favorite for horse owners who do not want to soak, lift or spray. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15/11/2007, Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Annilese mentioned putting a fungicide on the hooves for > non-healing > > hoof cracks. > > Since Anneliese suggested that, I've squirted betadine on > everyone's > feet every time the farrier does a trim. Simple dimple. > > Wanda Well remember that betadine is not anti-fungal, and there is usually a secondary fungal infection with the bacteria of thrush. So if you use Gentian violet, it will kill both things at once and for A LOT Less money...its cheap... We recommend weekly treatment, in harder areas or with horses who can develop thrush easily. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Hoof problems
On 15/11/2007, Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Annilese mentioned putting a fungicide on the hooves for non-healing > hoof cracks. Since Anneliese suggested that, I've squirted betadine on everyone's feet every time the farrier does a trim. Simple dimple. Wanda
[IceHorses] Hoof problems
Annilese mentioned putting a fungicide on the hooves for non-healing hoof cracks. Any one have suggestions on type or brand. Janice suggested Thrushbuster from Saddleup tack but Susan doesn't have it listed on her site. I found in Valley vet, Thrushbuster by Mustad, but it sounds very strong and if it's not really thrush, but some other fungus or bacteria, will it still work. Has any one tried soaking hooves with bleach or betadine. My farrier suggested bleach soaking, but I forgot the formula. Any input would be appreciated. At this point I'm just reading descriptions in the catalogue. I thought I'd try two different types just to cover my bases. I used a few treatments of a Hoof disinfectant by Farrier's Formula, but now I'm out of it. -- Anna Southern Ohio
