Re: [IceHorses] Re: Gaits / Tolt
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 11:09:16AM -0600, Robyn Schulze wrote: > stjarni > > is the only horse i've seen in this area doing anything like soft > > lateral gaits (at any of the barns i've ridden at, at shows, at the > > beach, on the trails -- several hundred horses). > > I must say, I find this completely bizarre. What's with you New > Englanders? Who wants to be pounded in the butt everytime they want > an intermediate gait? I'm glad you got smart Vicka. *laughs* as a total convert, i gotta say i'm finding it a bit bizarre myself. i ride stjarni almost exclusively, but i recently got on a few different three-gaited horses that my students were considering leasing (both qh-type paints) and found myself going, "but where's the tolt? and why isn't there any mane? and why am i so far off the ground?" :) and i haven't even had stjarni a year yet! (though my previous usual mounts were a 12.3 pinto and a 14.2 appaloosa, so i was already unused to being very far up :) (i confess i did like the quarab one of my students had already chosen for himself, with one of those long-suspended trotsbut i wouldn't swap stjarni with him for longer than a few miles on a trail ;) incidentally i owe roo grubis for this conversion -- she gave me one lesson three years ago on the arabian i was leasing at the time (i had just returned to riding), and at the end she said "you know, a lot of peope come into icelandics from arabians; all the brains without the teleport gene." a few weeks later she and her icey moved to vermont, and i didn't lay eyes on her again or meet her horse at all until the recent clinic. strange world. oh -- and speaking of vermont, i should mention the vermont icelandic horse farm, where i did ride a mare named litfrida twice in a weekend, and which is (obviously) also in new england. i've just been there once (it's not close as new englanders count close :) but i'm sure they have introduced many people to the breed; as far as i can tell it just has not become very widespread. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Gaits / Tolt
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 04:26:29PM -0300, Virginia Tupper wrote: > Awesome! thanks -- i love my job :) --vicka (who just found out she can't enter "novice" classes at the icey show, b/c having taught with stjarni i'm "professional")
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Gaits / Tolt
On 6/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > right now, i maintain computers for the bioinformatics research network > (brain imaging) and am conducting a study of how people talk in > psychotherapy with vs without the use of psychoactive medications. > previously i worked with correct and incorrect subliminal cuing's > effects on visual recognition (naming) tasks (with colleagues at mit) > and ported the "freesurfer" mri analysis package to osx and 64-bit > architectures. (i've been here three-and-a-half years.) in short, i'm > a brain scientist with a knack for computers and special interest (it > was my minor in grad school) in linguistics, and particularly enjoy > research into brain function involving language (my dissertation was on > the electrophysiological differences between nouns and verbs). i also > occasionally supervise grad students or postdocs; i think steven pinker > (a professor here) assigns either one of my papers or something that > references one of my papers in some class he teaches, as once a year or > so i briefly have a slew of students coming to me to talk about syntax > Awesome! V
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Gaits / Tolt
stjarni > is the only horse i've seen in this area doing anything like soft > lateral gaits (at any of the barns i've ridden at, at shows, at the > beach, on the trails -- several hundred horses). I must say, I find this completely bizarre. What's with you New Englanders? Who wants to be pounded in the butt everytime they want an intermediate gait? I'm glad you got smart Vicka. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Gaits / Tolt
On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 11:40:17AM -, kim morton wrote: > > > Icelandic is doing as a "tolt", it lays us open to > > > being seen as unknowing about our own breed's gaits. > > > > in what language, and as laid on by whom from on high? > > I would think that other people involved with gaited horses in the > US. if we like, we can learn to use their terms. but that leaves us entirely *without* the word "tolt", which i expect most folks in english don't use at all. (i guess we also lose "flying pace" too?) > > > Better to say "he's gaiting", and leave it at that. > > > > around here, that means "he's not standing still". > > Here in Kentucky, the Eastern part of the state anyway (where there > is a long history of gaited horses), "gaiting" means the horse is > doing a lateral gait. here in new england, the only "lateral gait" that's recognized is the pace seen on the racetrack, in driving (not riding) races. pretty much nobody rides it (i expect it feels like skeith/flying pace?). stjarni is the only horse i've seen in this area doing anything like soft lateral gaits (at any of the barns i've ridden at, at shows, at the beach, on the trails -- several hundred horses). i *do* think there is a saddle-seat barn up route 95 somewhere, but i don't know if they teach "5-gaited riding" or "3-gaited"; their students (adorable in their little outfits, though i'm not sure the bowler-hats are what i'd consider safe to ride in) entered the w/t/c english classes. > > --vicka, phd, brain & language; faculty, harvard medical school > > > > Vicka, what exactly do you do there? right now, i maintain computers for the bioinformatics research network (brain imaging) and am conducting a study of how people talk in psychotherapy with vs without the use of psychoactive medications. previously i worked with correct and incorrect subliminal cuing's effects on visual recognition (naming) tasks (with colleagues at mit) and ported the "freesurfer" mri analysis package to osx and 64-bit architectures. (i've been here three-and-a-half years.) in short, i'm a brain scientist with a knack for computers and special interest (it was my minor in grad school) in linguistics, and particularly enjoy research into brain function involving language (my dissertation was on the electrophysiological differences between nouns and verbs). i also occasionally supervise grad students or postdocs; i think steven pinker (a professor here) assigns either one of my papers or something that references one of my papers in some class he teaches, as once a year or so i briefly have a slew of students coming to me to talk about syntax --vicka
[IceHorses] Re: Gaits / Tolt
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 02:37:15PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: > > Tolt is a particular gait with a specific definition. > > As it is now, if people refer to whatever their > > Icelandic is doing as a "tolt", it lays us open to > > being seen as unknowing about our own breed's gaits. > > in what language, and as laid on by whom from on high? I would think that other people involved with gaited horses in the US. > > > Better to say "he's gaiting", and leave it at that. > > around here, that means "he's not standing still". Here in Kentucky, the Eastern part of the state anyway (where there is a long history of gaited horses), "gaiting" means the horse is doing a lateral gait. > > --vicka, phd, brain & language; faculty, harvard medical school > Vicka, what exactly do you do there? Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Gaits / Tolt
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:54:35PM -, tolt674 wrote: > Tolt is the Icelandic word for rack, so maybe. oh really? what's the icelandic word for "fox trot"? "amble"? "running walk"? --vicka
[IceHorses] Re: Gaits / Tolt
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Nancy Sturm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I bought two Icelandics in January. Both "gait" at liberty and on the longe line. The question - and I understand you can't see any of these three horses - could I assume that the Icelandic's tolt is the same gait as my TWH's rack? Nancy Tolt is the Icelandic word for rack, so maybe. Just remember that gaited horses are all individuals and just because someone assigned an "official" breed gait, doesn't mean that's what the horse will do. As with any gaited breed, some Icelandic's will mainly trot, some will mainly pace, some will mainly do the soft gaits to the trotty side of the spectrum, while others will mainly do the soft gaits to the lateral side...and some will have the full range of gaits at their disposal. Just about any combination of the above is possible. More than you wanted to know...? Don't worry too much just now. All the soft gaits can be pleasant for trail riders, and gaited horses have to be started in the basics just like any horse. They all have to learn steering, stopping, going, flexing, relaxation, balance...You can concentrate on this while simply observing what gaits your horses offer you, then you can decide later what you need to do (if anything) to help them balance and stay in gait. If you take it one step at a time, it's really not TOO complicated. Karen Thomas, NC
