Re: [IceHorses] Scare The Foals For Respect / Slow Down

2007-04-07 Thread Judy Ryder


 other horse (my own stjarni) he tucked his head and went faster.  on the
 other hand, after i mentioned this to my american-in-iceland friend, she
 suggeted alternating reins or squeeze-and-release, squeeze-and-release --
 which worked perfectly.  i'm told this is also how tb's are trained, so
 it's not a solely icelandic practice, either.

No, of course it's not a solely icelandic practice.  It's relatively new to 
Iceland.

You don't have to go there, or go to icelandic trainers, or to Americans in 
Iceland to get advice on slowing down a horse.  They are just learning these 
things, so it seems to me that it would be easier to get it from someone 
here first-hand who has long-time experience, than going there to get it 
from someone who has just recently learned it second-hand.

That's just logical to me.


Judy
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Re: [IceHorses] Scare The Foals For Respect / Slow Down

2007-04-07 Thread pyramid
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 09:43:37PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote:
 You don't have to go there, or go to icelandic trainers, or to Americans in 
 Iceland to get advice on slowing down a horse.  They are just learning these 
 things, so it seems to me that it would be easier to get it from someone 
 here first-hand who has long-time experience, than going there to get it 
 from someone who has just recently learned it second-hand.
 
 That's just logical to me.

we all learn things second (or third, or n-th) hand, except on the rare
occasions where we create new knowledge.  (i've done that a few times,
probably never about horses though :)

i did have better luck with my american-in-iceland friend (who had
previously worked with stjarni, which may be the more crucial element)
than with an american i ride with.  she's a genuinely excellent horse
person in my opinion, but her suggestion on slowing stjarni down was to
sit back and pull on both reins.  pulling on both reins and sitting
back both seem to be cues to him for more speed or work, or a gait
transition (say upward from walk to tolt, which i ask for with an
increase in rein contact and a deep seat -- if i want a loose-rein tolt
i just use the voice command up up! but he doesn't seem to step under
himself as well with that).

my american friend is sixty-three years old and has been a professional
with horses for most of her life.  my american-in-iceland friend is in
her twenties and has been a horse professional for about ten years.  i
don't think either of them is just learning about slowing horses down,
but i kind of am, at least with stjarni.  and the advice i got from the
a-in-i worked, whereas the advice i got from a didn't.

mind, this is on just one particular thing; in general i'd ask both of
them for advice (probably the american first, since she's handier :) as
they both know far more than i do, and i'd try what either of them
advised, since i trust them to do their best by me.  but sometimes one
approach works better with some horse than another, and as stjarni was
trained by an icelander, it makes sense to me that someone with some
experience in that tradition got him right.

hope this post makes sense; i'm really tired and using some horribly
non-ergonomic equipment :/

--vicka