Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics' Feet
On 11/29/07, IceDog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd clarify though, that there are other causes for pain, > > that shoes can help - some horses get pain relief from > > shoes when they have navicular, and my horses certainly > > were made more comfortable with shoes as treatment > > for their laminitis attacks. > > IMHO navicular is almost entirely a manmade/shoe caused condition. > > Cheryl > i have a friend whose horse has a mystery lameness. at first they thought navicular. he never wore shoes i dont think. But he is 1/2 peruvian and I have wondered if he doesnt have DLSD the peruvian thing... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandics' Feet
>>> IMHO navicular is almost entirely a manmade/shoe caused condition. I have no personal experience with navicular, so I'm not sure about that, but there's no point in playing the blame game right off the bat. A friend of mine has a navicular horse that she adores, and has spent a fortune trying to make comfortable. This mare is her heart and soul. Like a lot of owners, she bought the mare as a mature, trained riding horse - with past baggage - so it's certainly nothing SHE did to the horse. After damage is done, no matter what the cause, we have to do what we can. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1158 - Release Date: 11/28/2007 9:11 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics' Feet
> I'd clarify though, that there are other causes for pain, > that shoes can help - some horses get pain relief from > shoes when they have navicular, and my horses certainly > were made more comfortable with shoes as treatment > for their laminitis attacks. IMHO navicular is almost entirely a manmade/shoe caused condition. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandics' Feet
OK, so can we assume that it is the shoe that is causing a problem to the horse's feet? ...Not that the horse is sore because he's not wearing shoes, but sore because the shoes have caused a problem which shows up when the shoes are removed? ... Does that sound plausible / possible? I'm sure that's plausible in a lot of cases, especially in horses that have really strong feet...and as a rule, I certainly think Icelandic's do. I'd clarify though, that there are other causes for pain, that shoes can help - some horses get pain relief from shoes when they have navicular, and my horses certainly were made more comfortable with shoes as treatment for their laminitis attacks. And, both of my horses who had laminitis, were barefoot before the attacks and returned to barefoot about three months after. (Sundance has one attack here, likely at least one case before we got him. Holly had two attacks here, about six months apart.) But, that gets us back to the category of "shoeing for therapy", not shoeing for gait. The most important thing I see in my own horses' cases was that, be they barefoot, shod for therapy, whatever, they had a good balanced trim in place at all times before, during and after the laminitis. The only one of my horses who was ever trimmed/shod for gait, was Mac, and he had a long transition to more reasonable, normal hoof angles. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1158 - Release Date: 11/28/2007 9:11 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics' Feet
--- Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hreggur's left foot was looking really decent, however, his right > foot was still contracted and even then his heel bars were still > coming down out of his hoof capsule. I was constantly nipping them > back, and the next day they would be right back. Those are huge bars. We have not had a horse who would grow them back that fast and big before.pretty amazing to think about the pressure inside his foot. Skye Fire Island Eco-Treks-808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics' Feet
On 28/11/2007, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What impact do the shoes have on the hoof that would make the horse manifest > problems without them? Contracted heels. Because of the contracted heel, the frog isn't able to work at it's optimum job which is a shock absorber and a pump for blood. Because the blood flow is constricted, often hoof growth is extremely slow, so it's difficult to actually get the heels to spread properly in the normal three month off period. Also, if the blood flow continues to be constricted, the hoof quality can suffer, and over time become chalky and weak. (Hreggur had pockets in his hoof wall that gradually grew out, but they were caused from the odd bits of laminae giving way here and there throughout his foot.) Since the frog isn't allowed to act as a shock absorber, all kinds of trouble can develop from the hoof on up. It would be like running on a hard surface in your running shoes one day and having to run the same course the next day in your tightest hard soled shoes. The frog and hoof rim also provide secure footing. Once last summer, one of the members of the driving club had his team shod and when he went down a grassy slope, the team slipped on the grass. All the other horses breezed over that hillthe ones that had an easy time of it were all barefoot that day. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics' Feet
If so, why do they get so sore when removing the shoes? > > Maybe the tendons and ligaments of the legs and back need time to stretch > from years of odd trimming/shoeing? Maybe they have contracted heels? OK, so can we assume that it is the shoe that is causing a problem to the horse's feet? Not that the horse is sore because he's not wearing shoes, but sore because the shoes have caused a problem which shows up when the shoes are removed? Does that sound plausible / possible? What impact do the shoes have on the hoof that would make the horse manifest problems without them? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandics' Feet
We generally hear, in marketing for Icelandic Horses, that they have very good feet. Mine have very good feet. If so, why do they need shoes? (I'm not talking about the areas where they wear their feet down too fast, just normal regular areas). Mine don't - with the exception you noted. >>>If so, why do they get so sore when removing the shoes? Maybe the tendons and ligaments of the legs and back need time to stretch from years of odd trimming/shoeing? Maybe they have contracted heels? Or maybe sometimes it's just an excuse - sounds better than saying the horses needs hoof manipulation in order to gait. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1155 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 8:30 PM
