Re: [IceHorses] what would YOU say
what gets me--- as a person with a food/weight problem, I have always tended to want to overfeed everything around me. And the thought of my animals standing hungry wondering where I am just KILLS me. This is what I've come to believe when I've seen rescue animalsthe owner has a bit of mental illness going on. AND if their animals are neglected...you can bet there are other portions of their lives that are neglected as well. Wha'ts your saying? They just ain't right... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] what would YOU say
On 2/9/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what I've come to believe when I've seen rescue animalsthe owner has a bit of mental illness going on. AND if their animals are neglected...you can bet there are other portions of their lives that are neglected as well. Wha'ts your saying? They just ain't right... Wanda hahhaha. so true! but I was thinking when I saw Oprah the other day about people who live in clutter... the guy said after a while it just becomes unbearable to look at so the people tune it out. If they actually SAW it they would have to face the overwhelming task of getting something done about it.Maybe its a similar case with people who let their horses starve. the woman who had Svertla actually made the remark when people come over I have to draw the window shades because they are so thin and embarassing, I hate to have people over anymore ??? Uh. hello? why not feed them and have people over?? But instead she closed the curtains so she wouldnt have to look at it... I think at some point she must have wanted out of horses entirely but for whatever reason she wouldnt let herself. Maybe it would be admitting she was a failure at it? I dont know... If i couldnt take care of mine I would find them good homes and just give them away or sad to say... if I could not find good homes I would have to put them down cause I could not bear the thought of them suffering even mental anguish! much less physical starvation...or constant pain. That would be a hard one. My friend sylvia is going thru that now with her navicular horse. she needs to put him down but then he gets better :) bless his heart janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] what would YOU say
They seem real healthy and sturdy and have real nice feet. Q. Are they quiet or hot? A. They are supposed to be sorta hot but I have not met any hot ones. All the ones I have seen in person have been very very laid back. Janice - I think all of your answers are good - what I normally respond to this one is on the ground, they are mostly quiet and very easy to handle. Under saddle they can run the gamut from slow and laid back to fast and reactive - just like any horse, you need to shop carefully - don't be fooled by their quiet demeanor on the ground - it doesn't always correspond to what you get under saddle Laree
Re: [IceHorses] what would YOU say
Q. Do they eat a lot? A. They eat almost nothing, very easy keepers. NO!! Don't say that or you'll end up with two starving rescue horse situations! Ponies generally eat a little less in quantity than big horses, but like other breeds some need to be regulated as to food, either needing more or needing less. My filly's dam could eat all day and night and not put on weight, whereas Cookie needs to be regulated and not eat too much. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] what would YOU say
Q. Do they eat a lot? A. They eat almost nothing, very easy keepers. NO!! Don't say that or you'll end up with two starving rescue horse situations! I think it's ok to say that they are easy-keepers, IF you add for the most part or many are. I honestly have never seen so many of any breed who are such easy keepers, but we've had a couple who needed extra. The truth is there are no easy and quick answers to any of the common questions, but I thought Janice's list was very good. And, regarding the starving horse situations, I seriously doubt that the woman who had Svertla and Stali would have treated them any differently no matter what any one had told her. A person who lets a horse starve has to have a mental condition, be exceptionally mean or generally have a loose screw. I don't think situations like that occur because of generalizations sellers or promoters make. Any normal person could see that Stali and Svertla were starving, but apparently their previous owner wasn't normal. BTW, Svertla did quite well today with the piece of leather. She's certainly not very scared or spooky either, despite having lived that horrible life for four years. I took a couple of pictures of her with the leather on her back, but they didn't come out so great. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] what would YOU say
on the ground, they are mostly quiet and very easy to handle. Under saddle they can run the gamut from slow and laid back to fast and reactive - just like any horse, you need to shop carefully - don't be fooled by their quiet demeanor on the ground - it doesn't always correspond to what you get under saddle I think that's a safe thing to say...but I think it's safe to say that most of the really fast and reactive ones were trained to be that way, and often not handled much as young ones. I know there is a range of speed/temperament/reactiveness within the breed, just as there is within any breed, but when you look at a group that has been trained and managed similarly, that range of reactiveness narrows significantly. If a person is simply looking for a riding horse, how the horse came to be reactive - or non-reactive - might not be their first concern, but to someone considering buying a member of breed in general, it is a good point for them to think about - how the horse was raised. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] what would YOU say
On 2/7/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The truth is there are no easy and quick answers to any of the common questions, but I thought Janice's list was very good. And, regarding the starving horse situations, I seriously doubt that the woman who had Svertla and Stali would have treated them any differently no matter what any one had told her. A person who lets a horse starve has to have a mental condition, be exceptionally mean or generally have a loose screw. I don't think situations like that occur because of generalizations sellers or promoters make. I'm going to agree with Judy... When I got Runner he came from a doctor who's dad was a vet. A large animal vet. The vet/father told Runner's owners that he should be able to live on pasture alone, if they let him go barefoot and gravelled around the water trough and feed area he'd grow tough feet, etc... He can't live on pasture alone (pasture, 5lbs of Ultium (high fat feed), and 8lb of hay, and a good blanket below 40 since he's not got a good coat), he can't go barefoot, etc... But, the vet kept telling him he just needed more time to adjust. Oh... He hadn't been vaccinated because by kinesiology his antibodies were still high. Some people don't need animals. Runners owners and Svertla's owners are in that group. Steph -- Brutality begins where skill ends. Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels. Von Niendorff
RE: [IceHorses] what would YOU say
Some people don't need animals. Runners owners and Svertla's owners are in that group. I think that's right. But who on earth told Svertla's owner that they didn't need any feed? No hay, nothing? I don't think ANYONE told her that. She was just mean or crazy, and nothing anyone would have told her would have changed that. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
