RE: [IceHorses] "Correct" Use
>> Oh my, I remember those days too well. I remember joining the lists >> when I'd owned horses about 15 years (lessons and clinics since the >> beginning) and being told by a few self-appointed experts that I should >> shut up and "educate myself." >>I might have been guilty of saying that. I know there was a time I was >>really having a problem with people just believing whatever garbage their >>farrier told them. But don't you think that most all of us on this list are already out to "educate ourselves" - not because we want to "fit in with the cool kids" (at least the ones who think they are the "cool kids", but are really the bullies) but because we are driven to learn? It's a big difference to me. The most amazing horsemen I've ever met are like sponges - always out to learn from every source they can learn from, about all aspects of horsemanship: health care, riding, herd management, relationships, tack and saddle fit... It's the people who told me that I had to learn from one source, one way only - that's when warning flags go up. Horsemanship is simply too complex - no one will ever know it all, not about everything. When people build walls around their breed, shutting out outside influences, that's when we start seeing the horrors like what was at this summer's World Championships. Man we never become so isolated that we don't see that sort of thing for what it is - abuse. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM
Re: [IceHorses] "Correct" Use
On 10/01/2008, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh my, I remember those days too well. I remember joining the lists when > I'd owned horses about 15 years (lessons and clinics since the beginning) > and being told by a few self-appointed experts that I should shut up and > "educate myself." I might have been guilty of saying that. I know there was a time I was really having a problem with people just believing whatever garbage their farrier told them. I was having a meltdown about people saying they just left their farrier work to the 'professionals'. I don't claim to be a farrier...not in the least...but I taught myself what a bad trim looked like and I taught myself how a well-balanced foot should look. Anyway, I was up here screeching about how people should educate themselves when making decisions for their horses, so they can make the best possible choices in the best interest of their horse's health. OhI can't start talking about it again, or I'll burst a vein... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] "Correct" Use
> I joined the USIHC and the USIHC list for this year. I am a trail > rider. But more than that, I am a person who I honestly believe (call > me grandiose) that I have had a smidgen of positive effect on the > horrendous disgusting world of big lick showing of Tennessee Walking > Horses. It is my goal to try and speak up in a hopefully agreeable > way when I see things that need changing in icelandic horses. Good for you, Janice. I decided to not renew this year as the magazine is boring and it did not represent the type of riding that I do. Now I feel a little bad as the only thing I did was once keep track of my trail rides and send off that info. Perhaps I should have done more. Ann
Re: [IceHorses] "Correct" Use
>> I had to laugh at you. It was a good thing you didn't say that on the >> USIHC list!!! Hi Ferne, good to hear from you. We miss you. :) I used to be fairly active on that list and someone said that the trail riders never took lessons or learned the correct way of doing things like the show people. That really set me off (I was MUCH milder than you were!?!) and I said that most of the trail riders I knew attended clinics and took lessons fairly often and shouldn't be looked down on by the show riders. Well, Andrea Barbour told me that my post was uncalled for and I should show more judgement in the future. I haven't been back to that list since... Ferne Fedeli Oh my, I remember those days too well. I remember joining the lists when I'd owned horses about 15 years (lessons and clinics since the beginning) and being told by a few self-appointed experts that I should shut up and "educate myself." Anyone else remember how common that phrase was - that we should "educate ourselves?" Hey, I wasn't pretending to be an expert... I knew I'd "only" had horses for 15 years at that time (19 now), and I have friends who've owned horses 25, 30, some 50+ years. But the real kicker was when I found out that some of the ones telling ME to "educate myself" had owned horses MAYBE five years...or less. Shesh! Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] "Correct" Use
On 1/10/08, Ferne Fedeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I used to be fairly active on that list and someone said that the trail > riders never > took lessons or learned the correct way of doing things like the show > people. > That really set me off (I was MUCH milder than you were!?!) and I said > that most > of the trail riders I knew attended clinics and took lessons fairly often > and shouldn't > be looked down on by the show riders. Well, Andrea Barbour told me that > my post > was uncalled for and I should show more judgement in the future. I > haven't been > back to that list since... > Ferne Fedeli > I joined the USIHC and the USIHC list for this year. I am a trail rider. But more than that, I am a person who I honestly believe (call me grandiose) that I have had a smidgen of positive effect on the horrendous disgusting world of big lick showing of Tennessee Walking Horses. It is my goal to try and speak up in a hopefully agreeable way when I see things that need changing in icelandic horses. The way I see it, there seems to be a growing polarity in icelandic horses owners. And really, this is a shame. to grow as an organization in touch with its members/potential members, a large part of the potential membership should not be made to feel inferior. of either "side". heck thats just good business. But there has been some good positive growth this year i think, maybe not effective change but a lot of awareness about things like tight nosebands and poor saddlefit causing behavior problems instead of a lot of hype about iceys being perfect and ignoring real problems. One thing bothers me really bad--- is how a lot of people want to ignore certain things like we should be ashamed. Like sweet itch. I showed pictures of Tivar in summer where he'd worn his mane off and I got a lot of private emails from people giving me all kinds of GREAT info and advice, but not anybody, maybe one or two people after I said something, wanted to talk about it openly on the list. It was like he had some venereal disease or something. and instead of admitting, hey, some iceys are crappy gaited, a lot of people want to torture them with devices to make them gait. I have seen too much of that in the walking horse world and it is something that needs to change in icelandics. anyway. maybe you could come back and help me :) janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] "Correct" Use
On Jan 6, 2008 6:28 AM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Goodness, Karen, I don't know why on earth you never say what you > really > mean > > > Yeah, I do need to work on saying what I really mean, and not just beating > around the bush, don't you think? :) > > > I had to laugh at you. It was a good thing you didn't say that on the > USIHC list!!! I used to be fairly active on that list and someone said that the trail riders never took lessons or learned the correct way of doing things like the show people. That really set me off (I was MUCH milder than you were!?!) and I said that most of the trail riders I knew attended clinics and took lessons fairly often and shouldn't be looked down on by the show riders. Well, Andrea Barbour told me that my post was uncalled for and I should show more judgement in the future. I haven't been back to that list since... Ferne Fedeli
RE: [IceHorses] "Correct" Use
>>> Goodness, Karen, I don't know why on earth you never say what you really mean Yeah, I do need to work on saying what I really mean, and not just beating around the bush, don't you think? :) But, then, what do you expect from me? None of my horses are ridden "correctly"! Gosh, I learned what I know about gaits from (in order) 1) multi-gaited Holly's Copy o' Shadow and slightly-pacey Dana's Little Mac, 2) multi-gaited Sina from Unicorn Valley, 3) my mistakes made with those first three saints, plus watching the mistakes of other "gaited riders" in my area, 4) Lee Ziegler - who actually said in human words what my first three had already desperately been trying to get me to see, 5) my other Icelandic horses of various gait capabilities, as well as other gaited horses in my community, and most recently from 5) Liz Graves. And how did I learn to ride? Hunt seat lessons, then a little "lite" dressage" then with various Natural Horsemanship philosophies. I'm obviously not a "correct rider" and no way can my horses be ridden "correctly." I can't count a "certified trainer from Holar" as any of my influencesno, let me rephrase that: I CAN count two "certified trainers from Holar" as a NEGATIVE influences - I did learn a lot about what NOT to do from two of them. LOL! Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 11:46 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] "Correct" Use
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:46:17 -0500, you wrote: >I think this tells us that the USIHC is largely composed of a bunch of >snooty, pretentious and inflexible old biddies Goodness, Karen, I don't know why on earth you never say what you really mean Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
RE: [IceHorses] "Correct" Use
The USIHC "promotes its correct use as a competition and pleasure riding horse". What is "correct" use? I think this tells us that the USIHC is largely composed of a bunch of snooty, pretentious and inflexible old biddies who are concerned that the Icelandic horse not be integrated into the various types of riding styles available, and that they not be trained using the wealth of good, gentle horsemanship techniques across the world, particularly in the USA. Because, when that happens it erodes the "exoticness" of the breed that allows those ego-driven individuals bask in, and that "exoticness" feeds their egos as the huge fish in this teensy-weensy pond. Thus, "correct" in that sense means what's best for the egos of the USIHC leaders, who seem to me to be to be Emperors who are wearing no clothes. ;) If you are wondering why I say this, I'm still remembering the article in the USIHC Quarterly (or was it "Tolt News"?) just a year or two ago that says you can't apply Natural Horsemanship to anything beyond a little basic groundwork with Icelandics, and after that you'll need a "special" Icelandic trainer. Ha - tell Sina that! And I still remember the horrible, mean-spirited and libelous bashing Liz Graves took on the Icelandic lists by those same folks for DARING to try to offer some help to beginner riders of Icelandics when she's NEVER been to Iceland or trained at Holar, and when she wasn't a "certified Icelandic trainer." Funny, I hadn't even met Liz at that time, but the vicious and untrue nature of the nasty attacks told me a lot more about the attackers than the attackee. Sheesh. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 11:46 AM
