Re: [IceHorses] Question - New Age Vikings
> When we have done demos here, we do Walk, trot, canter and Tolt Can you send videos of the tolt? Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Question - New Age Vikings
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Yes but. Are they doing a canter? > > I remember someone asking on the list not long ago if Icelandic's > can > actually canter. Of course, they can, at least all but the very > paciest > ones, but you rarely, virtually never see canter in the breed > demos, etc. > I'm proud to say we have some great canters in this breed - if > folks will > just let the horses relax enough to do them. I have to say that canter is one of my favorite gaits in some of our Icelandics.my mare has a nice very smooth canter that I adore...it is not a big or groundcovering canter, but it is fun and relaxed...to cover ground she would prefer to tolt.I do not like to Gallop.its just a little much for me, though I have had horses that really want to, I would really rarley let them When we have done demos here, we do Walk, trot, canter and ToltI have cantered my gelding during a parade.that was fun.I want people to know that they do the basic 3 gaits, plus they have a few little extra gears as well. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
RE: [IceHorses] Question - New Age Vikings
Rarely would be true, but not virtually never - you have just never seen one of our demos and unless it is just 2-3 minutes we show all the gaits and often enter the arena in walk. This is also true of the group in Iowa with Doug and Jennifer Hamilton as far as showing the canter. Sorry, you're right. I've always been pleased with the pictures I've seen of your demos, and the pictures I've seen of Christine with her Valur. My apologies. I should have said with the "traditional demos." Unfortunately, I'm afraid that's more the type the people on the east coast have mostly seen. >>> Many horses with a lot of pace have problems doing a slow canter in a ring which is why I think it is shown more as a gallop. Our stallion Lettir seemed to put a really nice rocking horse canter in his offspring. Yes, and those are good, valid points worth discussion on their own. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Karen, >>>Of course, they can, at least all but the very paciest ones, but you rarely, virtually never see canter in the breed demos, etc. Rarely would be true, but not virtually never - you have just never seen one of our demos and unless it is just 2-3 minutes we show all the gaits and often enter the arena in walk. This is also true of the group in Iowa with Doug and Jennifer Hamilton as far as showing the canter. Not always a slow canter, for us it depends on the horse. Many horses with a lot of pace have problems doing a slow canter in a ring which is why I think it is shown more as a gallop. Our stallion Lettir seemed to put a really nice rocking horse canter in his offspring. Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] Question - New Age Vikings / Canter
>>> how can anybody say icelandics dont canter. Thats just bizarre. I have >>> some video of nasi cantering at liberty on youtube. he canters everywhere. >>> Tivar canters. whats up with people saying they cant??!? Because your horses are pretty much natural, Janice, left to do what they do intuitively. Mine canter too, all the time, at liberty and under saddle. But, I have several evaluations and show videos. In a couple of the evaluation videos, you can actually hear the judges' comments. The most common comment I hear is, "needs more speed" no matter what the gait. When I see those videos, I realize that it's not skill or training, or finesse skills that are high priorities in ITSR...it's speed and "showiness." That's not for me and it's not for my horses. I love a good canter, and since I have had he luxury of having mostly green or unstarted Icelandic horses, I take full advantage of it. Karen Thomas, NC
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this > is very important to me personally since I have one horse, Fox, who is > always seeking tongue relief and I just cant seem to find a way to > give it Will he go in a sidepull? Robyn S
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on Horsemans Edge or the Horse show or something on RFDTV this week is the guy from Myler talking about bits and bitting. In typically maddening totally ridiculous non-informative way he shows videos of horses acting up and describes perfectly the problem "see this horse is wringing his tail and bracing, look at his mouth, his tongue is drawn back, he is seeking tongue relief... then of course he says something like how myler bits in various styles offer various levels of tongue relief. and there you have it. in essence what he said was, see these horses are in pain, they need tongue relief, They need a bit made to relieve pain in the mouth. Then says not one word on how to FIX it. did not show one bit configuration which might, for example, offer tongue relief. and this is very important to me personally since I have one horse, Fox, who is always seeking tongue relief and I just cant seem to find a way to give it... the only thing that seems even slightly ok is a happy mouth french link but he still gapes and tries to get relief when I first put it on. Gr i hate this! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Question - New Age Vikings / Canter
how can anybody say icelandics dont canter. Thats just bizarre. i have some video of nasi cantering at liberty on youtube. he canters everywhere. Tivar canters. whats up with people saying they cant??!? janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Question - New Age Vikings / Canter
> >>> Yes but. Are they doing a canter? > > if Icelandic's can > actually canter. Of course, they can, at least all > but the very paciest > ones, but you rarely, virtually never see canter in > the breed demos, etc. > I'm proud to say we have some great canters in this That is true. It's not a canter that they are doing. In the videos that I recently took, you can hear the people in the background commenting, "is THAT a canter?", "don't they know how to canter?" Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Question - New Age Vikings
>>> Yes but. Are they doing a canter? I remember someone asking on the list not long ago if Icelandic's can actually canter. Of course, they can, at least all but the very paciest ones, but you rarely, virtually never see canter in the breed demos, etc. I'm proud to say we have some great canters in this breed - if folks will just let the horses relax enough to do them. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 04:06:47PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: > > huh? the canter is even on the novice test for shows. > > > Yes but. > > Are they doing a canter? umm, i'd assume so? i intend to, at any rate. (stjarni has a lovely canter, and i figure since it's on an oval rather than in our small slanty ring, he may give me his nicer "trail-style" canter than his more-tense "ring" canter, which i've been working on relaxing for awhile, with occasional success...) in any case, if i make it to vermont, i will take lots of pictures :) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Question - New Age Vikings
> huh? the canter is even on the novice test for shows. Yes but. Are they doing a canter? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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>>> huh? the canter is even on the novice test for shows. That's new, only added in the last couple of years. Up until a couple of years ago, there wasn't even a score for canter in the evaluations. I think they've added some small token of a score for canter now. But frankly, what I see them show in the evaluations and shows as canter and gallop, I'd call gallop and "yeehaw - hell bent for leather." Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 02:19:16PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: > Yes, icelandic training and riding style (ITRS) doesn't much make a > difference between canter / gallop, because they don't canter much. huh? the canter is even on the novice test for shows. --vicka
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Thanks. And again - good grief! Makes one wonder if this riding style might not be very successful with a less stoic breed of horse. Think of how draft horses were used/abused in this country a generation ago. If they had been a more warm-blooded type of horse, they'd have killed somebody, but instead they just worked their way across the country plowing new ground and hauling freight. Nancy
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I wonder if the > mouthpiece is too wide . I wouldn't think he could pull it so far out of > his horse's mouth if it weren't or is that a charecteristic of the gag > bit? Not necessarily. It's the style of riding; if you look at the picture on the cover, the rider is pulling the snaffle out of the horse's mouth also. Same with page 94, 85, etc. through out the book. > Now that isn't a dropped noseband is it? And the horse somehow is still > closing his mouth. Do you suppose he is just a pretty phlegmatic animal? Probably. I think the breed is pretty stoic and shuts down to things like this, a lot of the time. There is no other option for them. I think the horses grab the bit and try to keep it from hurting them, and as they travel, at times, they will be needing / wanting to move their head, and that can cause sparks of discomfort. It's not only the bit that can cause them pain or discomfort, but the way the horse is forced to carry his head and neck. His glands, hyoid apparatus, parotid, etc., can be squished to pain / discomfort. > And - one more question. We were taught to ride (ideally) with a straight > line between our elbows and the bit, the reins being made of some > imaginary > elastic substance. This man's hands are pretty high. Is he lifting his > horse into gait do you think? Probably. There's not many straight lines in these pictures; either high for the trotty horses or low for the pacey horses. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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Yes - I do hope others will forgive a discussion in which they can't view the photo. I did consider scanning it, but I think there is probably copyright protection. I can see the wrinkles in the neck and the bit attachment - after I carried the book across the room where the light is better. I wonder if the mouthpiece is too wide . I wouldn't think he could pull it so far out of his horse's mouth if it weren't or is that a charecteristic of the gag bit? I've never even seen one except in the pictures you posted. Now that isn't a dropped noseband is it? And the horse somehow is still closing his mouth. Do you suppose he is just a pretty phlegmatic animal? And - one more question. We were taught to ride (ideally) with a straight line between our elbows and the bit, the reins being made of some imaginary elastic substance. This man's hands are pretty high. Is he lifting his horse into gait do you think? Nancy Sturm, traveling and learning (a line from a favorite book)
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> Thanks, Judy. How did you know from looking at the outside of the bit > that > it was a gag bit? I did read the info when you posted it the other day, > but > still did not recognize the bit. The gag bit mechanics are obvious from the outside. The headstall is attached to the purchase. The mouthpiece slides on the O ring, and the reins are attached to the shanks. I know not everyone can see this picture, but do you see the wrinkles in the neck of the horse at the withers? A tell-tale sign of ventroflexion and brace in the neck. The lips are also very stretched as you can see in other pictures, also. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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Good grief! Thanks, Judy. How did you know from looking at the outside of the bit that it was a gag bit? I did read the info when you posted it the other day, but still did not recognize the bit. I ride with a nice lady who uses an improvised gag bit on a gorgeous 1/2 Arab mare. The other half is Thoroughbred ; she's a Seattle Slew grandaughter. This is not a woman I would confront, but I can't imagine that the raised head/crazed eye is what she's actually wanting from her nice mare. It is often what she's getting. If I were a younger woman (and also had more time) I'd like to take on the mare and see if she wouldn't be a happier horse with a different less in-your-face riding style. Nancy
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> I notice some of the horses are being ridden with a rein that snaps to a > snaffle ring and others are ridden with reins that might have a chain at > the > end - or maybe two snaps? What is that? > > There's one shown on page 5, page 10, page 31. On page 5, that's a gag bit (not nice): http://iceryder.net/wonderbit.html The other is the icelandic bit (also not a nice bit): http://iceryder.net/icelandicbit.html > Also for the gait gurus. On page 35 it shows what is labeled as > "Canter/Gallop". I thought (and you all may know I am struggling to > learn > about gaits) that one was three beats and the other four. Yes, icelandic training and riding style (ITRS) doesn't much make a difference between canter / gallop, because they don't canter much. This is the type of thing that you'll see at the icelandic shows and evaluations that takes the place of a canter. We know that the horses *can* naturally canter, but when the riders ride them, they are so much in the horse's mouth,and interfering so much with the horse, that they *can't* canter normally or naturally. They end up doing the *leap and surge*. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
