Re: [IceHorses] Re: Barefoot? Shoes?
I was looking for a photo that depicted the tendons in the lower limb and was shocked at the makeup of the lower leg. There isn't much there EXCEPT for tendons. Here's an article on The Horse, titled Lower Limb Research, which includes information about shoes and torque: http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=4105 With heavy shoes, the whiplash effect is exaggerated. As a result, the pastern tends to be more horizontal during late swing, and the horse has more exaggerated heel-first ground contact. Registration to read the articles is free. Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Barefoot? Shoes? / Distal Limb
I was looking for a photo that depicted the tendons in the lower limb and was shocked at the makeup of the lower leg. There isn't much there EXCEPT for tendons. It's an interesting 'google' if you look for 'horse lower limb.' I tried it, and found this: Wilson explains that there are three springy tendons in the lower half of the horse's limb. But only one of the tendons has enough associated muscle to possibly adjust the tendon's stiffness, the deep digital flexor, which stretches down the back of the leg. McGuigan and Wilson wanted to know if the small muscle was powerful enough to change the leg's stiffness as the horse gears up from a walk to a gallop. First they monitored the animals' leg movements as they walked, trotted and cantered on a treadmill, measuring how the lower leg's length varied during a stride. Amazingly, when the horse galloped, it compressed the leg by 12 cm, tensioning the legs' tendons just like a pogo stick's springs. McGuigan then videoed horses as they walked, trotted and cantered across a force plate, recording the compression in the leg and correlating it with the force on the limb. If horses could adjust the stiffness of the deep digital flexor, then the relationship would vary as the animal changed gait. But no matter what speed the horse hit the force plate, the leg's springiness remained unchanged; the horse couldn't alter the deep digital flexor's stiffness. Which doesn't bode well for horses trotting on the 21st Century's hard road surfaces. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Barefoot? Shoes?
Using anything to stengthen your horse is out of line? Say whenI was in Track I used weights to even my mucles and ther fore be a better runner and in better shape, we as huimans use wights and movement to improvr our bodies and competitive sports, If what you say is true, all all atheltes should stop doing that. I'm not sure what you're referring too, but if you're talking about shoes on horses, it doesn't work that way. The anatomy of a horse is quite different from a human - did you see the articles Judy posted recently? (I believe distal limb was in the subject line.) A horse has no muscles below his knee, so weights (weighted shoes, pads, bell boots, action devices, whatever) don't build muscle - simply put, they stress tendons and ligaments. The horse's foot as we know it (the hoof) is actually comparable to a single toe on a human. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.10/1160 - Release Date: 11/29/2007 8:32 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Barefoot? Shoes?
On 30/11/2007, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: distal limb was in the subject line.) A horse has no muscles below his knee, so weights (weighted shoes, pads, bell boots, action devices, whatever) don't build muscle - simply put, they stress tendons and ligaments. I was looking for a photo that depicted the tendons in the lower limb and was shocked at the makeup of the lower leg. There isn't much there EXCEPT for tendons. It's an interesting 'google' if you look for 'horse lower limb.' Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Barefoot? Shoes?
I find it very interesting that covering exactly the same trails, the 4 horses in my barn (all barefoot for the same length of time, all receiving similar (tailored) diets and supplements), show remarkably differences in sensitivity and hoof wear. Even though I have a long and successful history of keeping my horses barefoot, I'm suspicious of any dogma that insists on a one-size-fits-all answer. I've noticed that, like you, while all of my horses - Icelandic and other breeds - have good feet, they don't all have the same profiles of growth, etc. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1153 - Release Date: 11/26/2007 9:08 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Barefoot? Shoes?
i think a horse wearing down hoofs faster than they grow them qualifies as a horse that needs shoeing. I would check for thrush tho. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Barefoot? Shoes?
On 27/11/2007, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think a horse wearing down hoofs faster than they grow them qualifies as a horse that needs shoeing. I would check for thrush tho. Janice I also know of a horse who was wearing down his hooves faster than he could grow them. The owner trims his feet herself because she couldn't find a good farrier to replace the gal that went on maternity leave. She worried about putting a shoe on top of a bad trim. So...she bought herself another horse so she could give each of them a break. It's worked out well. She rides an exceptional amount though. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Barefoot? Shoes? / Distal Limb
On 11/27/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is taken from Equine Locomotion by Drs. Hilary Clayton and Willem Back, 2001. You must remember that, shoes restrict the hoof mechanism, increase the weight of the distal limb and increase the impact shock. How does this jive with the Newly Discovered Shock Absorber in the Equine Foot? wow thats unreal about them causing more shock! amazing! one thing i saw that was interesting... susan at saddleup tack (www.saddleuptack.com) has some footpads for sale. They are something new to me, and I wonder what they are for. do they go on before you put the shoes on or do you affix them on barefoot foundered horses or what?? Have you ever seen them? There are different thicknesses. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
