RE: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies/karen
What I see as the main issues are: 1) how the mares are kept during the collection process the mare´s are roaming free in pasture/field with salt buckets and lot´s of water during the time they are taken blood from them. And then the veterinary come´s one´s a week and all the mare´s are put in a pen and thoose that are healthy and pregnant with the right amount of hormon will go on into stable where the vet. will take blood from the mare´s and afterwards they are let out in the field again untill next week and it only take´s a few mininuet´s (spelling !?). 2) what happens to the unwanted foals that are a by-product. the unwanted foal´s that are not sold will be slaughtered. Regards Malin in Iceland
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies/karen
the mare´s are roaming free in pasture/field with salt buckets and lot´s of water during the time they are taken blood from them. And then the veterinary come´s one´s a week and all the mare´s are put in a pen and thoose that are healthy and pregnant with the right amount of hormon will go on into stable where the vet. will take blood from the mare´s and afterwards they are let out in the field again untill next week and it only take´s a few mininuet´s (spelling !?). That wouldn't bother me so much then, Malin. I think someone implied earlier that they were PMU mares, where they collect urine, not blood. Those mares have to be kept in a stall (many tied, I think) so that they don't tear their harnesses off - people can choose when to collect blood, but urine has to be taken when it's offered. the unwanted foal´s that are not sold will be slaughtered. That bothers me, but we know that's a cultural difference in Iceland. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.9/1158 - Release Date: 11/28/2007 9:11 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies
not what the foals are used for but the BLOOD, what is it used for, thats what I am wondering, since hormones for women come from urine, what hormones are extracted from blood and what is it used for. Janice yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies
As for blood, I think someone told me they use horse blood to make certain anti venoms or something?? Janice-- yipie tie yie yo Horse and sheep blood is used to make rattlesnake antivenin. Not in Iceland as we don´t have any snake´s or scorpions either the Blood mare´s has to be pregnant (that´s why we get lot´s of foals) and you put stallion to the herd in June and then in late august beginning of september you start to take blood from the mare´s that are pregnant they are after the hormon we produce when we (animals) are pregnant and you take 3-5 litre each time with a week between up to seven time´s each mare. people that are into breeding riding horses with high evaluated mare´s did try this on their mare´s but you have to have at least 20 mare´s that are on the same time in their pregnany to that it pay´s off for the veterinary to come out and take blood and then some folk´s talked about that they didn´t like it done to mare´s that are very valuble ect.ect. so most blood farmers have around 50-60 mare´s or more and it´s a lot of work with it in the autumn. and the foals are bi-product. onefarmer that i know do try to get 1 prize stallions on he´s trained mare´s and hopinng to sell the foals easier then butas the market is here you don´t sell all and the rest often end´s up in the slaughter house Regards Malin in Iceland
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 09:14:18AM -0600, Raven wrote: 3-5 liters at a time? 3 liters is 100.5 ounces. there are 128 ounces in a gallon. if 5 liters are taken from the mare...that is alot of blood. humans donate by the pint (16 oz) and need to be at least 110# to do so. (i hover around there, so the figure is important to me.) an 800# pony should have no problem losing around 100 oz. as a vet once put it to me when i was freaking out, your horse can lose enough blood to paint your barn before it becomes a problem. just sayin'. i still have no idea about the veracity of this story. --vicka ps. on another front, i have had two people who have lived in iceland confirm the feeding fish/fish-oil story. apparently it's loaded with nutrition, which icelandic winter pasture grass is not. in the usa it is probably cheaper to obtain flax oil or somesuch for similar goodness for coat and hooves and heart and connective tissue.
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies
humans donate by the pint (16 oz) and need to be at least 110# to do so. (i hover around there, so the figure is important to me.) an 800# pony should have no problem losing around 100 oz. Well, pregnant mares certainly produce gallons of pee too. Free! As far as I know, no one has ever complained about recycling urine into hormones. The issue has been with how the pregnant mares have to be kept in order to collect the free resource, and what to do with the resultant, unwanted foals. I don't know what's the story behind this situation, but let's keep our eyes focused on the important issues. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.6/1150 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 5:58 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies
Well, pregnant mares certainly produce gallons of pee too. Free! As far as I know, no one has ever complained about recycling urine into hormones actually karen...there has been alot of complaining about how the mare's urine is collected. it's a inhumane method. Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies
but let's keep our eyes focused on the important issues. which are? Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies
actually karen...there has been alot of complaining about how the mare's urine is collected. it's a inhumane method. Yes, I know that and I noted it in the next sentence, if you'd kept reading. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.6/1150 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 5:58 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies
but let's keep our eyes focused on the important issues. which are? I'm sorry, but I thought I was pretty clear when I wrote in the sentence preceding your quote, The issue has been with how the pregnant mares have to be kept in order to collect the free resource, and what to do with the resultant, unwanted foals. I don't know what's the story behind this situation, but let's keep our eyes focused on the important issues. What I see as the main issues are: 1) how the mares are kept during the collection process and 2) what happens to the unwanted foals that are a by-product. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.6/1150 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 5:58 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies
I know what some of the foals are used for. ONe friend of mine has a riding camp for kids and 9 of her riding horses are the grown foals of those mares. I know some other foals that were equally happily placed. I wish those stories were the norm. Annie
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies
What the heck is this all about? What are they using the Ice Ponies for?? I briefly looked at the page the other day, but what happened to it? It appears to be gone now. Judy Hi list I think it´s gone because the foals did arraive to Sweden last week I think it was 20 of them and the rest is probly on their way to the slaughter house as thoose PMU foals that don´t sell either. but in regards to building sometimes mind I do ask the same question as above what are they gonna use them for. But of course she probly weaded out the best in building or I hope so at least. Regard Malin in Iceland PS so any wanna save the rest of meat production? they are about 1000 foals a year at least
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies
in PMU horses, they usually used draft horse mares because they produced a large volume of urine. I would think a pony would not produce so much urine. As for blood, I think someone told me they use horse blood to make certasin anti venoms or something?? Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Swedish Woman Saves Icelandic Ponies
As for blood, I think someone told me they use horse blood to make certain anti venoms or something?? Janice-- yipie tie yie yo Horse and sheep blood is used to make rattlesnake antivenin. Very small amounts of venom are injected into the horse. The amount is gradually increased until the horse or sheep develops antibodies in it's blood, blood is extracted and spun in centrifuge. The serum (liquid part of the blood) contains the antibodies and is used as antivenin. I think goats are used to make scorpion antivenin in Arizona. Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
