Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know if there are icelandic-style trainers that train for natural gait? I don't know of any particularly - most of them do aim for tolt. However, some trainers here, if the horse does not show any ability or aptitude for gait, are happy to accept them as 3 gaited. Do any of the trainers know how to train the fox trot to a horse that shows that tendency? Judy I know that Eloise does not know a lot about the foxtrot. She has never owned or trained MFT.but she knows a lot about TWH, Pasos and other gaited breeds.in a Icelandics that fox trot, I know I have heard the phase trotty tolt.I know it is not what is desired.and personally I do not desire it either from my IcelandicsI want the smoother tolt for sureI would not push them into a tolt with forcing them with the reins or a bit...but I would get them in shape, do hill work and make sure they had all available oppertunities to tolt.if not, I would probably sell them, unless I had a very special bond. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
RE: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
I know it is not what is desired.and personally I do not desire it either from my IcelandicsI want the smoother tolt for sure Actually, some foxtrots are extremely smooth. I'm sure when Brunka foxtrots, most people would rave over her tolt, not aware of the difference. In fact, I think all foxtrots are smooth, just that some are REALLY easy to ride. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
my most awesome gaited horses were trained by me. and i just try not to get in their way with stuff. I rode stonewall saturday and at one point on the clay road back I let him stretch his legs and I was so grateful for my perfect smooth gaited well behaved horse. barefooted, loose rein, mild bit. let him put his head where he needs it. My husband said later he wished he had a camera cause stonewall was so flashy and beautiful, so smooth and gaiting so effortlessly. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 01:09:00PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: Do any of the trainers know how to train the fox trot to a horse that shows that tendency? remember that the icelanders view tolt as a spectrum, from trot through trotty tolt through perfect through pacy. and they don't insist that every horse have a perfect tolt any more than they must have a perfect trot, for your basic riding animal. so what you call a fox trot they'd just call a trotty tolt and work with as such. --vicka (whose icelandic trainers have seen stjarni all over the spectrum, as have those here who've seen the photos i've posted, and while the trainers have *encouraged* an even four-beat tolt have not particularly gotten on my case about it, esp. given that they tend to see five-gaited horses as likely to be a bit more lateral at the tolt anyway)
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
remember that the icelanders view tolt as a spectrum, from trot through trotty tolt through perfect through pacy. Yes, it seems like they do. See this message from July 2003: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/message/28011 The problem is: The gait spectrum is not based around tolt. what you call a fox trot they'd just call a trotty tolt and work with as such. But it's not. A tolt is a one foot / two foot support gait, and a fox trot is a two foot / three foot support gait. You *could* have a slightly diagonal tolt, but it would not be a fox trot. in Icelandics that fox trot, I know I have heard the phase trotty tolt.I know it is not what is desired.and personally I do not desire it either from my Icelandics As a breeder, what would you do to not breed a fox trotting Icelandic (i.e. conformation-wise)? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 08:46:03AM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: what you call a fox trot they'd just call a trotty tolt and work with as such. But it's not. oh, for goodness' sake. i said, and i repeat, that's what THEY'd call it, not what YOU'd call it. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:46:03 -0700, you wrote: what you call a fox trot they'd just call a trotty tolt and work with as such. But it's not. No, it's not a trotty tolt, it's a fox trot, but for an island which does not actually have a word for fox trot and tends to use tolt as a cover-all word for any gait which isn't actually hard pace, trotty tolt is a good compromise. However, it does hold negative connotations - it's not proper tolt, it's TROTTY tolt rather than oh look, what a super fox trot. As Icelandics are a breed known for tolt, rather than fox trot, I can't see this changing among the thousands who don't read this list. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
RE: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
As Icelandics are a breed known for tolt, rather than fox trot, I can't see this changing among the thousands who don't read this list. It depends...maybe if you don't expect the profile of Icelandic owners to change over time. Maybe not for the ones who only know Icelandic's and not other gaited horses...but considering how many potential horse owners actually DO understand that non-tolt gaits exist, that could change easily. Remember, probably approximately 10-20% of all horses in the USA are gaited; maybe a couple of million, and that's a huge potential group of owners...in the USA alone. With major magazines (Equus, Trail Rider, etc.) showcasing more gaited breeds recently, I get a feeling the market for gaited horses in the USA is higher than ever. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he did give a foxtrot the other day, she was happy that he was showing a soft gait and did not try to clean it up. Does she plan to encourage the fox trot? It's a good thing to do to build on one gait and get it consistently before moving onto another. It builds up different muscles along the way, which can only be good :-) Judy She is encouraging it, as she is happy that she has that and not just a trotshe figures if he continues to do what he can naturally do he will eventually tolt well. He has given her mommments of tolt, but then breaks back into a foxtrot, or trot. She is letting him decide, and hoping that his tolt, once in better condition, will shine through. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
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let him put his head where he needs it. My husband said later he wished he had a camera cause stonewall was so flashy and beautiful, so smooth and gaiting so effortlessly. When I've ridden Santana bridleless at the RW, he puts his head just below the level neck. That seems to be where he is comfortable gaiting. This is the main reason I don't like the Dr. Cooks bitless bridle--I like to just barely keep contact w/ his head, so that he can put his head where he is comfortable, and do his nodding thing w/o me getting in his way. And the Dr. Cooks rein ends are too weighty to allow this to happen w/o the reins flapping all around. Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:43:00 -0400, you wrote: ...but considering how many potential horse owners actually DO understand that non-tolt gaits exist, that could change easily. Not quickly though, with the way the majority of Icelandics in the USA are trained, marketed and shown. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
On 9/12/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not quickly though, with the way the majority of Icelandics in the USA are trained, marketed and shown. Mic and especially considering that most people who breed and train, market and show icelandics in america don't know the various gaits from from the other, or from a hole in the ground really :0 janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
--- Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know if there are icelandic-style trainers that train for natural gait? Robyn? Skye? Mic? Malin? Kristin? Judy Well good question. The trainer I work with here has taught in Iceland, but she has so many different techniques in her toolbag that to call her an Icelandc trainer only would be incorrect. She does understand they way they train, but she was training horses and people long before she got into Icelandics or ever went to Iceland to help with clinics there. I know I just went out with her on a ride with my gelding that she is training. He was ridden before I got him, and was ridden poorly, so really it is retraining. Anyway, after 6 weeks of being ridden or poneyed 6 days a week, he is finally starting to really get some muscle, he is around 11 I believe and has never been in shape. Anyway, she has not asked or pushed for tolt, she is only allowing him to do what he is naturally able to dohe is beginning to get tolt from him, but only now because he is ready. She does not force him into frame.he did give a foxtrot the other day, she was happy that he was showing a soft gait and did not try to clean it up.She has felt tolt and seen tolt before, as have I , so she is confident that he will tolt more with more work, hills and getting in shape and in balance with the rider..if not she would not force it. I might sell him if he does not give an easy tolt, but probably not, as I would use him to pull a cart, something I have been wanting to do for years now. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
he did give a foxtrot the other day, she was happy that he was showing a soft gait and did not try to clean it up. Does she plan to encourage the fox trot? It's a good thing to do to build on one gait and get it consistently before moving onto another. It builds up different muscles along the way, which can only be good :-) Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
Are there any icelandic-style trainers who train for natural gait? To answer this question you have to be more spesific with your question. If an Icelandic Horse is more conformed to fox trot, are there trainers who recognize, encourage, and accept that natural gait for that particular horse? Same with running walk, etc. Anyone know if there are icelandic-style trainers that train for natural gait? Robyn? Skye? Mic? Malin? Kristin? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:45:27 -0700, you wrote: Anyone know if there are icelandic-style trainers that train for natural gait? I don't know of any particularly - most of them do aim for tolt. However, some trainers here, if the horse does not show any ability or aptitude for gait, are happy to accept them as 3 gaited. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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Hi Judy, Anyone know if there are icelandic-style trainers that train for natural gait? I don't consider myself an Icelandic-style trainer because we start our horses as we would any breed of horse and did so long before getting into Icelandics. Different movement exercises, leading through ground pole configurations, tires and over boards, neck line and ground driving, saddle pad falling off, ground riding, mounting bareback (at least that is what I like to do - Christine generally starts with a treeless saddle). Standing to mount is most important, being relaxed standing at the mounting block. Often being lead the first time at least, teaching them to stop, turn, go forward at whatever gait is offered. Riding in the ring and then on the trail - no attention is paid to gait other than noticing what they are choosing in the beginning. I'm off to England for three weeks leaving tonight. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
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Are there any icelandic-style trainers who train for natural gait? Judy To answer this question you have to be more spesific with your question. ( don´t hang yourself on my spelling as my spelling program isn´t still working with my e-mail program) Regards Malin in Iceland www.kolugil.tk
Re: [IceHorses] To train for natural gait
Are there any icelandic-style trainers who train for natural gait? To answer this question you have to be more spesific with your question. If an Icelandic Horse is more conformed to fox trot, are there trainers who recognize, encourage, and accept that natural gait for that particular horse? Same with running walk, etc. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
