Re: IETF Last Call under RFC 3683 concerning Dean Anderson
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Dean Anderson wrote: I just checked the archives, and I see no original message on this topic. Who initiated this Last Call? The quoted message below from David Kessens does not seem to appear in the IETF archive on October 7th. It appeared on the IETF Announce list (as is customary). See http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg01645.html for the archive entry. FWIW, now that I see RFC 3683 in action I have to say that I have severe misgivings about it. //cmh ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: George Green takes over internet Re: 5W Intelligence Service Report
Just a little clarification for the archives as this is of course again mis-propaganda etc On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 15:58 -0400, Joe Baptista wrote: Yes - both patents attempt to take control of the adding of tlds to a root zone file. The second patent recorded on 6 July 2005 is an attempt to further recognize the proceedure as being commercial. Will need some native speakers to make out the exact wording on the original patents. SNIP http://nl.ecodoc.mineco.fgov.be/BASIS/BREV/web/brevwebdut11/DDW?W%3DTI+PH+IS+%27TECHNOLOGIE+EN+BUSINESSMODEL+INZAKE%27%26M%3D2%26K%3D004/0623%26R%3DY%26U%3D1 http://nl.ecodoc.mineco.fgov.be/BASIS/BREV/web/brevwebdut11/DDW?W%3DTI+PH+IS+%27TECHNOLOGIE+EN+BUSINESSMODEL+INZAKE%27%26M%3D1%26K%3D005/0340%26R%3DY%26U%3D1 For Non Dutch Speaking people, these two URL's both contain a very important part: 8 Beperkingen: 4. GEWEIGERD / AFGEWEZEN 20050404 8 Which translates to: 8 Limitations: 4. REJECTED 20050404 8 In other words, nobody is getting any patent. There would be a lot of prior art anyway ;) Now back to your normal IETF schedule Greets, Jeroen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: George Green takes over internet Re: 5W Intelligence Service Report
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Jeroen Massar wrote: Just a little clarification for the archives as this is of course again mis-propaganda etc Not mispropaganda sureley. Its more to the point to say we dont speaken the dutch. Your report that both applications were rejected pleases me. I myself considered the attempt ridiculous. I'm not sure the process of adding a label to a database can be patented. If it can alot of people are in trouble. TLDs do have intellectual property value - but that is in the database copyright, not in the technical administrative proceedure. Cheers joe baptista On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 15:58 -0400, Joe Baptista wrote: Yes - both patents attempt to take control of the adding of tlds to a root zone file. The second patent recorded on 6 July 2005 is an attempt to further recognize the proceedure as being commercial. Will need some native speakers to make out the exact wording on the original patents. SNIP http://nl.ecodoc.mineco.fgov.be/BASIS/BREV/web/brevwebdut11/DDW?W%3DTI+PH+IS+%27TECHNOLOGIE+EN+BUSINESSMODEL+INZAKE%27%26M%3D2%26K%3D004/0623%26R%3DY%26U%3D1 http://nl.ecodoc.mineco.fgov.be/BASIS/BREV/web/brevwebdut11/DDW?W%3DTI+PH+IS+%27TECHNOLOGIE+EN+BUSINESSMODEL+INZAKE%27%26M%3D1%26K%3D005/0340%26R%3DY%26U%3D1 For Non Dutch Speaking people, these two URL's both contain a very important part: 8 Beperkingen: 4. GEWEIGERD / AFGEWEZEN 20050404 8 Which translates to: 8 Limitations: 4. REJECTED 20050404 8 In other words, nobody is getting any patent. There would be a lot of prior art anyway ;) Now back to your normal IETF schedule Greets, Jeroen ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [Pr-plan] Re: George Green takes over internet Re: 5W Intelligence Service Report
Jeroen: Was able to confirm first patent was rejected - i.e. http://nl.ecodoc.mineco.fgov.be/BASIS/BREV/web/brevwebdut11/DDW?W%3DTI+PH+IS+%27TECHNOLOGIE+EN+BUSINESSMODEL+INZAKE%27%26M%3D2%26K%3D004/0623%26R%3DY%26U%3D1 but what about the second one? http://nl.ecodoc.mineco.fgov.be/BASIS/BREV/web/brevwebdut11/DDW?W%3DTI+PH+IS+%27TECHNOLOGIE+EN+BUSINESSMODEL+INZAKE%27%26M%3D1%26K%3D005/0340%26R%3DY%26U%3D1 does not look like that one was rejected. any advise Jeroen? thanks joe baptista On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Joe Baptista wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Jeroen Massar wrote: Just a little clarification for the archives as this is of course again mis-propaganda etc Not mispropaganda sureley. Its more to the point to say we dont speaken the dutch. Your report that both applications were rejected pleases me. I myself considered the attempt ridiculous. I'm not sure the process of adding a label to a database can be patented. If it can alot of people are in trouble. TLDs do have intellectual property value - but that is in the database copyright, not in the technical administrative proceedure. Cheers joe baptista On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 15:58 -0400, Joe Baptista wrote: Yes - both patents attempt to take control of the adding of tlds to a root zone file. The second patent recorded on 6 July 2005 is an attempt to further recognize the proceedure as being commercial. Will need some native speakers to make out the exact wording on the original patents. SNIP http://nl.ecodoc.mineco.fgov.be/BASIS/BREV/web/brevwebdut11/DDW?W%3DTI+PH+IS+%27TECHNOLOGIE+EN+BUSINESSMODEL+INZAKE%27%26M%3D2%26K%3D004/0623%26R%3DY%26U%3D1 http://nl.ecodoc.mineco.fgov.be/BASIS/BREV/web/brevwebdut11/DDW?W%3DTI+PH+IS+%27TECHNOLOGIE+EN+BUSINESSMODEL+INZAKE%27%26M%3D1%26K%3D005/0340%26R%3DY%26U%3D1 For Non Dutch Speaking people, these two URL's both contain a very important part: 8 Beperkingen: 4. GEWEIGERD / AFGEWEZEN 20050404 8 Which translates to: 8 Limitations: 4. REJECTED 20050404 8 In other words, nobody is getting any patent. There would be a lot of prior art anyway ;) Now back to your normal IETF schedule Greets, Jeroen ___ Pr-plan mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: [Pr-plan] Re: George Green takes over internet Re: 5W Intelligence Service Report
Joe Baptista wrote: does not look like that one was rejected. any advise Jeroen? thanks joe baptista Most every country requires that patent applications be filed before an invention is ever used publicly or put on sale. Additionally in the US, if an invention is described in a printed publication anywhere in the world the inventor has one year from that date to apply for a patent. Foreign patent holders are granted no special consideration or exemption under US patent laws in regards to the above requirement. nick ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: [Pr-plan] Re: George Green takes over internet Re: 5WIntelligence Service Report
On a more practical note most countries other than the US have a 'looser pays' system for settling legal costs. This is the main reason that 'bog-roll' patent applications are much less common outside the US. There is simply no incentive as the target of a patent troll extortion scheme knows that the troll faces a very real and serious financial risk if they begin an action. The secondary reason is that in virtually every other country any publication prior to filing disqualifies it. The USPTO is also unique in allowing a perjurer to get the benefit of claiming they invented the idea a year before the application date. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Staff Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 11:43 AM To: 'Joe Baptista'; 'Jeroen Massar' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Pr-plan] Re: George Green takes over internet Re: 5WIntelligence Service Report Joe Baptista wrote: does not look like that one was rejected. any advise Jeroen? thanks joe baptista Most every country requires that patent applications be filed before an invention is ever used publicly or put on sale. Additionally in the US, if an invention is described in a printed publication anywhere in the world the inventor has one year from that date to apply for a patent. Foreign patent holders are granted no special consideration or exemption under US patent laws in regards to the above requirement. nick ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: [Pr-plan] Re: George Green takes over internet Re: 5WIntelligence Service Report
At 18:51 13/10/2005, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: On a more practical note most countries other than the US have a 'looser pays' system for settling legal costs. I suggest the IETF would implement such a system for RFC 3683 PR-actions. So it would be less used for IESG DoS. IESG DoS is a problem because the decision could have been the same without the PR-action, but the PR-action exposed the DoS perpetrator. This is the main reason that 'bog-roll' patent applications are much less common outside the US. There is simply no incentive as the target of a patent troll extortion scheme knows that the troll faces a very real and serious financial risk if they begin an action. The secondary reason is that in virtually every other country any publication prior to filing disqualifies it. The USPTO is also unique in allowing a perjurer to get the benefit of claiming they invented the idea a year before the application date. Does that applies to IETF IPRs? jfc ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria
Hi all, I've not seen the announcement yet, but it has been published: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection -criteria-00.txt I hope we have a lot of comments and constructive inputs ! Remember, this document defines WHERE our next meeting will happen and under what conditions those venues are selected, so is important for all of us, right ? Regards, Jordi The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Barcelona 2005 Global IPv6 Summit Information available at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria
How about adding that the mean outdoor temperature at the time of the year the meeting is being held should be above 0 degrees Centigrade? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 6:30 PM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria Hi all, I've not seen the announcement yet, but it has been published: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-palet-ietf-meeting-v enue-selection -criteria-00.txt I hope we have a lot of comments and constructive inputs ! Remember, this document defines WHERE our next meeting will happen and under what conditions those venues are selected, so is important for all of us, right ? Regards, Jordi The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Barcelona 2005 Global IPv6 Summit Information available at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria
At 05:35 PM 10/13/2005 -0700, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: How about adding that the mean outdoor temperature at the time of the year the meeting is being held should be above 0 degrees Centigrade? and below 35 or 40? ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 6:30 PM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria Hi all, I've not seen the announcement yet, but it has been published: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-palet-ietf-meeting-v enue-selection -criteria-00.txt I hope we have a lot of comments and constructive inputs ! Remember, this document defines WHERE our next meeting will happen and under what conditions those venues are selected, so is important for all of us, right ? Regards, Jordi The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Barcelona 2005 Global IPv6 Summit Information available at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf cheers, James *** Truth is not to be argued... it is to be presented. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: How about adding that the mean outdoor temperature at the time of the year the meeting is being held should be above 0 degrees Centigrade? Why? ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, DENG, HUI -HCHBJ wrote: Dear Jordi. Is there any section to describe how and who will be contacted. and how to process the application procedure. The hosting requirements document is tres ancien, however it's still here: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/ietf.hosting.html Thanks -Hui -Original Message- From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2005年10月14日 6:30 To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria Hi all, I've not seen the announcement yet, but it has been published: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection -criteria-00.txt I hope we have a lot of comments and constructive inputs ! Remember, this document defines WHERE our next meeting will happen and under what conditions those venues are selected, so is important for all of us, right ? Regards, Jordi The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Barcelona 2005 Global IPv6 Summit Information available at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf Disclaimer: The contents of this e-mail, and its attachments, if any, are confidential and may be protected by law against any unauthorized use. If you have received this e-mail by mistake or have reason to believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail as soon as possible and delete it from your computer system immediately thereafter. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy this e-mail or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. While we have made every effort to keep our network virus free, we take no responsibility for any computer virus which might be transferred by way of this e-mail. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf -- -- Joel Jaeggli Unix Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C6E 0104 BAF0 40B0 5BD3 C38B F000 35AB B67F 56B2 ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria
The hosting requirements document is tres ancien, however it's still here: Could you tell me what's means of tres ancien ? :) http://www.ietf.org/meetings/ietf.hosting.html Thanks , I might understand totally about the responsibility of the host group. -Hui Disclaimer: The contents of this e-mail, and its attachments, if any, are confidential and may be protected by law against any unauthorized use. If you have received this e-mail by mistake or have reason to believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail as soon as possible and delete it from your computer system immediately thereafter. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy this e-mail or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. While we have made every effort to keep our network virus free, we take no responsibility for any computer virus which might be transferred by way of this e-mail. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria
Thanks :) -Hui -Original Message- From: Steven M. Bellovin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2005年10月14日 13:18 To: DENG, HUI -HCHBJ Cc: Joel Jaeggli; ietf@ietf.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], +ACI-DENG, HUI -H CHBJ+ACI- writes: +AD4-The hosting requirements document is tres ancien, however it's +still here : Could you tell me what's means of +ACI-tres ancien+ACI- ? :) It's French for very old. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb Disclaimer: The contents of this e-mail, and its attachments, if any, are confidential and may be protected by law against any unauthorized use. If you have received this e-mail by mistake or have reason to believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail as soon as possible and delete it from your computer system immediately thereafter. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy this e-mail or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. While we have made every effort to keep our network virus free, we take no responsibility for any computer virus which might be transferred by way of this e-mail. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF Meeting Venue Selection Criteria
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RFC 4184 on RTP Payload Format for AC-3 Audio
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4184 Title: RTP Payload Format for AC-3 Audio Author(s): B. Link, T. Hager, J. Flaks Status: Standards Track Date: October 2005 Mailbox:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pages: 13 Characters: 25202 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:None I-D Tag:draft-ietf-avt-rtp-ac3-07.txt URL:ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc4184.txt This document describes an RTP payload format for transporting audio data using the AC-3 audio compression standard. AC-3 is a high quality, multichannel audio coding system that is used for United States HDTV, DVD, cable television, satellite television and other media. The RTP payload format presented in this document includes support for data fragmentation. This document is a product of the Audio/Video Transport Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Internet Official Protocol Standards (STD 1) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF list and the RFC-DIST list. Requests to be added to or deleted from the IETF distribution list should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Requests to be added to or deleted from the RFC-DIST distribution list should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Details on obtaining RFCs via FTP or EMAIL may be obtained by sending an EMAIL message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message body help: ways_to_get_rfcs. For example: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: getting rfcs help: ways_to_get_rfcs Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the author of the RFC in question, or to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for unlimited distribution. Submissions for Requests for Comments should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please consult RFC 2223, Instructions to RFC Authors, for further information. Joyce K. Reynolds and Sandy Ginoza USC/Information Sciences Institute ... Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant Mail Reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the RFCs. ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc4184.txt ___ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce
Internet-Drafts Submission Cutoff Dates for the 64th IETF Meeting in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
There are two (2) Internet-Draft cutoff dates for the 64th IETF Meeting in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada: October 17th: Cutoff Date for Initial (i.e., version -00) Internet-Draft Submissions All initial Internet-Drafts (version -00) must be submitted by Monday, October 17th at 9:00 AM ET. As always, all initial submissions with a filename beginning with draft-ietf must be approved by the appropriate WG Chair before they can be processed or announced. The Secretariat would appreciate receiving WG Chair approval by Monday, October 10th at 9:00 AM ET. October 24th: Cutoff Date for Revised (i.e., version -01 and higher) Internet-Draft Submissions All revised Internet-Drafts (version -01 and higher) must be submitted by Monday, October 24th at 9:00 AM ET. Initial and revised Internet-Drafts received after their respective cutoff dates will not be made available in the Internet-Drafts directory or announced until on or after Monday, November 7th at 9:00 AM ET, when Internet-Draft posting resumes. Please do not wait until the last minute to submit. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. If you have any questions or concerns, then please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IETF Secretariat FYI: The Internet-Draft cutoff dates as well as other significant dates for the 64th IETF Meeting can be found at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/cutoff_dates_64.html. ___ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce
