Summer of Code: Event notification service for the IETF

2006-04-26 Thread stanislav shalunov
The IETF Tools team is looking for student applicants to work on a
Summer of Code project in which an event notification service for the
IETF would be created.  The likely mentor for the project is
Henrik Levkowetz.  The project will be done with Internet2 as the
mentoring organization.

If you know of students who might be interested in participating,
please pass this along to them.  If you are a student with some coding
experience and interest in open-source development, please consider
applying.  Assuming the project is successful, Google will pay the
student doing it $4500.  The deadline for applications is May 8, 2006.

The project description follows (from
http://transport.internet2.edu/soc2006/ideas.html).

Summary: Put together an event notification service for the IETF
where people can subscribe through a web interface for
personalized notifications, and provide notifications through any
of the following mechanisms: RSS, Atom, Mail, and Web-pages
(individually customized).  This work will be done in
collaboration with the IETF Tools team.

Background: Work in the IETF is carried out in more than 100
different working groups, with around 2000 active document at any
given time.  For any single participant, only a small subset of
this work is of immediate interest, but when anything happens that
is of interest, he would like to know as early and clearly as
possible.  The subset of interest to any one participant is also
generally different from that of all other participants, so
individually customized notifications would be optimal.

A browsable view of the process is available through document
overview pages for individual working groups, but this needs to be
complemented with a notification service for events such as draft
updates, new drafts, last call announcements, published RFCs, new
working groups, etc.

Some constraints: Individual events will be provided in a single
format, to be agreed on.  The notification service should store
events by time and classification, and offer a web interface by
which individual subscription to a subset of events is possible.
The interface should dynamically build the offered selection
criteria based on the field types already seen in incoming events.
Events should be transformed from the canonical format to RSS,
Atom, Mail, and HTML format.  There is a strong preference for the
system to be coded in Python.

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Re: IETF lists as RSS?

2006-04-26 Thread David W. Hankins
On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 11:38:30PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 10:24:22PM +0200,
>  Alexandru Petrescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
> > Is it possible to read content of the IETF lists (WG discussions,
> > announce, etc) as RSS feeds?
> 
> It would be strange to use one of the many RSS formats while there is
> a technically superior IETF standard (RFC 4287).

It would certainly be strange, at the IETF, for anyone to suggest
using a technology that is known to be pervasively deployed and
functional.

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Software Engineer   you'll just have to do it again."
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Re: IETF lists as RSS?

2006-04-26 Thread Alexandru Petrescu

Michael Thomas wrote:

Alexandru Petrescu wrote:

Is it possible to read content of the IETF lists (WG discussions, 
announce, etc) as RSS feeds?  I think the IETF doesn't provide it 
as such, but is there maybe a gateway mailman-rss that would allow 
to read it so?


Please excuse if the technical formulation is aberrant, I'm just 
getting familiar with RSS feeds.  The problem I have is that I'm 
subscribed to a relatively many IETF (and non-IETF) lists, some 
that I browse more often than others, and the mailbox is quickly 
exceeding my provider's capacities, as well as many other 
providers' I guess.  Changing subscriptions to all lists is painful
 (even if IETF offers a IETF-wide change option, not all do) and I 
wouldn't go through it again, but maybe one last time.


Perhaps this is unhip and in the way, but mail2news might be a 
solution here.


Ah, gnus, long-time user here, but for some reason converted to mozilla...

Anybody did this mail-rss conversion with mailbucket.org?

Alex

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Re: IETF Meeting Survey - Last Call

2006-04-26 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum

On 26-apr-2006, at 12:47, Ray Pelletier wrote:

More than 1,250 of you attended IETF 65 in Dallas and many others  
attended sessions remotely.  Yet only 155 of you have responded to  
a survey


Isn't that more than enough to draw statistically significant  
conclusions?


And when can we see the results? (There weren't any when I filled it  
out.)


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Re: IETF lists as RSS?

2006-04-26 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 10:24:22PM +0200,
 Alexandru Petrescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
 a message of 22 lines which said:

> Is it possible to read content of the IETF lists (WG discussions,
> announce, etc) as RSS feeds?

It would be strange to use one of the many RSS formats while there is
a technically superior IETF standard (RFC 4287).

This being said, discussion mailing lists (not announce mailing lists)
are not very well handled by current syndication formats, mostly
because of links between messages of a same thread. See
draft-snell-atompub-feed-thread-04.txt for a possible solution.

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Re: IETF lists as RSS?

2006-04-26 Thread Paul Hoffman
Many IETF lists are archived at gmane.org, which does feeds for most 
or all of the lists it collects.


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RE: IETF Meeting Survey - Last Call

2006-04-26 Thread Andrew G. Malis
Well, obviously, those of us that did the survey should be rewarded 
by having the consensus results acted upon ... if people don't like 
the results in Montreal, they'll have more of an incentive to take 
the survey at that time.


More seriously, Ray might get more of a result if he sent the request 
to the list of people that actually attended the Dallas meeting (they 
know who we are, after all) rather than just sending it to the ietf list.


Cheers,
Andy

---

At 4/26/2006 16:30 -0400, Ed Juskevicius wrote:

Earlier today, Ray suggested that only a small fraction of everyone who
went to Dallas has taken the 10 minutes needed to provide feedback on
the meeting.

I am posting this message to ask "Why so little response?"

Is it because only two hundred people read the IETF discussion list?  If
so, then maybe we have all the response we can expect, and should be
happy with it.

If, on the other hand, we know a thousand people monitor the list, then
I return to "Why so little response?"
Are we surveyed-out, or did the survey ask too many questions, or what?

For the record, and for transparency, I did the survey last week. Doing
it was relatively painless, and I don't think it took more than 10
minutes.

Regards,

Ed Juskevicius



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RE: IETF Meeting Survey - Last Call

2006-04-26 Thread Ed Juskevicius
Earlier today, Ray suggested that only a small fraction of everyone who
went to Dallas has taken the 10 minutes needed to provide feedback on
the meeting.

I am posting this message to ask "Why so little response?"

Is it because only two hundred people read the IETF discussion list?  If
so, then maybe we have all the response we can expect, and should be
happy with it.

If, on the other hand, we know a thousand people monitor the list, then
I return to "Why so little response?"  
Are we surveyed-out, or did the survey ask too many questions, or what?

For the record, and for transparency, I did the survey last week. Doing
it was relatively painless, and I don't think it took more than 10
minutes.

Regards,

Ed Juskevicius 

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From: Ray Pelletier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:48 AM
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: IETF Meeting Survey - Last Call


All;

More than 1,250 of you attended IETF 65 in Dallas and many others 
attended sessions remotely.  Yet only 155 of you have responded to a 
survey intended to make future meeting experiences more successful.  
There are only 74 days left before IETF 66 in Montreal, only 74 days 
during which there may be the opportunity to effect improvements.  
Again, your participation is anonymous and your candor is most welcome.

You can help by taking this short survey at:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=649182049947

At the end of the survey you will be able to see the survey results to
date.

I do appreciate the help.
Thanks

Ray Pelletier
IETF Administrative Director
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: IETF lists as RSS?

2006-04-26 Thread Michael Thomas

Alexandru Petrescu wrote:


Is it possible to read content of the IETF lists (WG discussions,
announce, etc) as RSS feeds?  I think the IETF doesn't provide it as
such, but is there maybe a gateway mailman-rss that would allow to read
it so?

Please excuse if the technical formulation is aberrant, I'm just getting
familiar with RSS feeds.  The problem I have is that I'm subscribed to a
relatively many IETF (and non-IETF) lists, some that I browse more often
than others, and the mailbox is quickly exceeding my provider's
capacities, as well as many other providers' I guess.  Changing
subscriptions to all lists is painful (even if IETF offers a IETF-wide
change option, not all do) and I wouldn't go through it again, but maybe
one last time.


Perhaps this is unhip and in the way, but mail2news might be a solution
here.

  Mike, gnus r00lz

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IETF lists as RSS?

2006-04-26 Thread Alexandru Petrescu

Is it possible to read content of the IETF lists (WG discussions,
announce, etc) as RSS feeds?  I think the IETF doesn't provide it as
such, but is there maybe a gateway mailman-rss that would allow to read
it so?

Please excuse if the technical formulation is aberrant, I'm just getting
familiar with RSS feeds.  The problem I have is that I'm subscribed to a
relatively many IETF (and non-IETF) lists, some that I browse more often
than others, and the mailbox is quickly exceeding my provider's
capacities, as well as many other providers' I guess.  Changing
subscriptions to all lists is painful (even if IETF offers a IETF-wide
change option, not all do) and I wouldn't go through it again, but maybe
one last time.

Any suggestion about this welcome,

Alex

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Re: IETF Meeting Survey - Last Call

2006-04-26 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
H. Are you sure that's an award or could be seen as a punishment and
then you will never see any more feedback ;-)

Regards,
Jordi




> De: Thomas Narten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Responder a: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Fecha: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:33:11 -0400
> Para: Ray Pelletier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: "ietf@ietf.org" 
> Asunto: Re: IETF Meeting Survey - Last Call
> 
>> More than 1,250 of you attended IETF 65 in Dallas and many others
>> attended sessions remotely.  Yet only 155 of you have responded to a
>> survey intended to make future meeting experiences more successful.
> 
> Maybe we need to provide more incentive. ARIN enters those that
> complete their survey in a raffle for an iPod...
> 
> Perhaps we can offer lucky winners a breakfast with the IESG or IAB?
> :-)
> 
> Thomas
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Re: IETF Meeting Survey - Last Call

2006-04-26 Thread Thomas Narten
> More than 1,250 of you attended IETF 65 in Dallas and many others 
> attended sessions remotely.  Yet only 155 of you have responded to a 
> survey intended to make future meeting experiences more successful.

Maybe we need to provide more incentive. ARIN enters those that
complete their survey in a raffle for an iPod...

Perhaps we can offer lucky winners a breakfast with the IESG or IAB?
:-)

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]

2006-04-26 Thread Jari Arkko
Tony Hain wrote:

>If a bof were proposed on the topic, would it be turned down as out of scope
>and in conflict with the currently stated solution in shim6?
>  
>
I'm not sure what exact BOF proposal you had in mind, but
the existence of Shim6 WG should not prevent further
discussion. I at least do not take it for granted that Shim6
solves ALL our needs in this space. For instance, it could be that
we need more than one solution for the continuum that
starts from large organizations and continues through
medium and small size organizations to homes and
hosts. Shim6 looks like a very promising solution
for some parts of this continuum, but it is up for
discussion whether something else is needed too.
(Assuming we have a credible proposal for that
"something else", of course -- some of these problems
are very hard.)

--Jari


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Thinking about interim meeting dates

2006-04-26 Thread Spencer Dawkins
As Ray pointed out in his note, there are only 74 days until IETF 66, so if 
your working group has been noodling about holding an interim meeting, 
there's not a lot of time to pick dates/places and announce them, since the 
requirement is 30 days advance notice plus 30 days prior to an IETF meeting 
(see http://www.ietf.org/IESG/STATEMENTS/Interim-meetings.txt for details).


You should probably also allow at least five minutes for AD approval :-)

Thanks,

Spencer

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From: "Ray Pelletier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 5:47 AM
Subject: IETF Meeting Survey - Last Call



All;

More than 1,250 of you attended IETF 65 in Dallas and many others attended 
sessions remotely.  Yet only 155 of you have responded to a survey 
intended to make future meeting experiences more successful.  There are 
only 74 days left before IETF 66 in Montreal, only 74 days during which 
there may be the opportunity to effect improvements.  Again, your 
participation is anonymous and your candor is most welcome.


You can help by taking this short survey at:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=649182049947

At the end of the survey you will be able to see the survey results to 
date.


I do appreciate the help.
Thanks

Ray Pelletier
IETF Administrative Director
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: IETF Meeting Survey - Last Call

2006-04-26 Thread Simon Josefsson
Ray Pelletier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> All;
>
> More than 1,250 of you attended IETF 65 in Dallas and many others
> attended sessions remotely.  Yet only 155 of you have responded to a
> survey intended to make future meeting experiences more successful.
> There are only 74 days left before IETF 66 in Montreal, only 74 days
> during which there may be the opportunity to effect improvements.
> Again, your participation is anonymous and your candor is most
> welcome.
>
> You can help by taking this short survey at:
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=649182049947
>
> At the end of the survey you will be able to see the survey results to date.

I have taken the survey already, but I'm interested in looking at
updated survey results.  Is there a direct link?

Thanks.

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Re: IETF Meeting Survey - Last Call

2006-04-26 Thread Michael Tuexen

I tried, but got



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Please try the following:

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Best regards
Michael


On Apr 26, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote:


All;

More than 1,250 of you attended IETF 65 in Dallas and many others  
attended sessions remotely.  Yet only 155 of you have responded to  
a survey intended to make future meeting experiences more  
successful.  There are only 74 days left before IETF 66 in  
Montreal, only 74 days during which there may be the opportunity to  
effect improvements.  Again, your participation is anonymous and  
your candor is most welcome.


You can help by taking this short survey at:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=649182049947

At the end of the survey you will be able to see the survey results  
to date.


I do appreciate the help.
Thanks

Ray Pelletier
IETF Administrative Director
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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IETF Meeting Survey - Last Call

2006-04-26 Thread Ray Pelletier

All;

More than 1,250 of you attended IETF 65 in Dallas and many others 
attended sessions remotely.  Yet only 155 of you have responded to a 
survey intended to make future meeting experiences more successful.  
There are only 74 days left before IETF 66 in Montreal, only 74 days 
during which there may be the opportunity to effect improvements.  
Again, your participation is anonymous and your candor is most welcome.


You can help by taking this short survey at:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=649182049947

At the end of the survey you will be able to see the survey results to date.

I do appreciate the help.
Thanks

Ray Pelletier
IETF Administrative Director
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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