Re: IETF speed -- was Re: Running Code

2009-03-05 Thread Lars Eggert

Hi,

On 2009-3-4, at 15:39, a...@tr-sys.de wrote:

I do not want to blame anybody, but in the TSV area I am aware
of documents in at least two different WGs that describe common
(and recommended) _existing_ implementation practice and have
not even been submitted to the IESG after more than 4 years of
consideration.


I'd be interested to learn which IDs you refer to.

Thanks,
Lars

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Re: RFC 3484 section 6 rule 9 causing more operational problems

2009-03-05 Thread Jari Arkko

6MAN WG is working on this.

Jari

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Re: RFC 3484 section 6 rule 9 causing more operational problems

2009-03-05 Thread Tim Chown
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 02:09:22PM +, Tony Finch wrote:
 It seems that Vista implements RFC 3484 address selection, including the
 requirement to sort IP addresses. This breaks a great deal of operational
 dependence on DNS-based load balancing, as well as being based on an
 incorrect understanding of how IP addresses are allocated.
 
 RFC 3484 needs to be updated to delete this rule, so that the order
 returned from the DNS is honoured when the client has no better knowledge
 about which address is appropriate.
 
 See
 http://drplokta.livejournal.com/109267.html
 http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg51874.html
 http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/discuss/current/msg01035.html
 http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/msg05847.html
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2007/11/msg00029.html

The issue is mentioned in:

http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-arifumi-6man-rfc3484-revise-00.txt

2.5.  To disable or restrict RFC 3484 Section 6 Rule 9

   There was a discussion at v6ops and ietf@ietf.org mailing lists that
   the rule 9 of the destination address selection has a serious adverse
   effect on the round robin DNS technique

However the above has expired.  Perhaps Arifumi will issue a new version
before the upcoming cutoff.

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Re: Abstract on Page 1?

2009-03-05 Thread Doug Ewell

TSG tglassey at earthlink dot net wrote:

Then the template has to be changed. Will the IETF still continue to 
accept documents formatted the old way or will it mandate this change 
everywhere - and gee - that could be our own little stimulus package - 
we may have to hire someone to move the (c) in all of the existing 
documents to the end pages with the licensing info.


It would surprise me if changing all of the existing documents was 
considered part of the scope of this suggestion.


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Re: Early implementers motivations [was Re: Running Code]

2009-03-05 Thread Doug Ewell

Marc Petit-Huguenin petithug at acm dot org wrote:

If you did contribute an early implementation or did think of 
contributing but finally didn't, please respond to this email with 
your story.  Interesting points are why you did (or not) the early 
implementation, will you do more, what would motivate you to do more 
early implementations, etc... You can send your responses directly to 
me if you do not want to respond publicly - I will keep them 
confidential and post just a summary of the responses.


I did an early implementation of RFC 4646 while it was in draft form, 
and updated it for draft-4646bis.  Indeed, the work that ultimately 
became RFC 4645 and the initial IANA Language Subtag Registry started as 
a prototype.


I did this solely to help flesh out the ideas being discussed in the 
LTRU WG and as a smoke test against the group's output, not because of 
any expectation of monetary gain or tangible, widespread recognition --  
which is a darned good thing since I haven't received either one, though 
I did get an Acknowledgement in 4646.


Other people inside and outside the WG have built their own validators 
for both 4646 and 4646bis.  Having to list all of these implementations 
in the drafts would have made a slow review and approval process even 
slower.


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RE: Abstract on Page 1?

2009-03-05 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
I doubt that this is a huge tool-builder issue. Lets not go looking for 
problems.

I think moving the boilerplate is a good idea, particularly for people who are 
still reading the TXT versions of the docs.

The only piece I would keep on the front page is the bit that says where 
comments should go.


-Original Message-
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org on behalf of Andrew Sullivan
Sent: Wed 3/4/2009 10:55 AM
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Abstract on Page 1?
 
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 04:50:19PM +0100, Julian Reschke wrote:
 The following text must be included on the first page of each IETF  
 Document as specified below:

Some of us may regard the requirement of standard legal boilerplate
taking precedence over technical content to be a symptom of a problem,
rather than something to be accepted quietly.  (But I have a great
deal of sympathy for the toolbuilders, and think that maybe just now
is not a good time to be making more changes.  Perhaps the next time
one is required anyway, though?)

A

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Re: Reverse IPv6 DNS checks on ietf MXs?

2009-03-05 Thread Dave Cridland

On Thu Mar  5 13:00:55 2009, Tim Chown wrote:
Just an observation, I don't know whether its been changed or  
applied

recently, but we had some mails to various IETF lists soft rejected
overnight due to failure of the receiving MX to perform a successful
reverse DNS lookup on the IPv6 sender address.


That's been the case for ages, and is why I now firewall outgoing  
IPv6 connections to the IETF's mailserver. (I could go off and pay  
for IPv6 reverse DNS hosting, but I'm not *that* keen on IPv6).


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Re: Reverse IPv6 DNS checks on ietf MXs?

2009-03-05 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:00:55PM +, Tim Chown wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Just an observation, I don't know whether its been changed or applied
 recently, but we had some mails to various IETF lists soft rejected
 overnight due to failure of the receiving MX to perform a successful 
 reverse DNS lookup on the IPv6 sender address.

Note that there has been work in DNSOP suggesting that rejecting on
the failure of reverse DNS lookup is not always a good idea.  So if
IETF lists are in fact doing that, perhaps the operators of the
servers want to ask for the advice of the DNSOP participants.  (Be
prepared for a lot of mail.)

A


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Re: [dnsext] RFC 3484 section 6 rule 9 causing more operational problems

2009-03-05 Thread bmanning
 my error here - Paul said DNS does no ordering... he did not specify 
ordering of what.  we now return you to your rant.

--bill


On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:54:37PM +, Chris Thompson wrote:
 On Mar 4 2009, OndEej SurC= wrote:
 
 On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:57 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
 [...]
 DNSSEC does reorder RRSets within a zone.  Which is a new feature.
 
 When we started talking about order of RRSets?  This is purely discussion
 about order of RRs in RRSet. Order of RRSets in zone is irrelevant before
 DNSSEC and also after DNSSEC. Nothing depends on order of RRSets
 at least in my best knowledge.
 
 I took Bill to mean DNSSEC does reorder RRs within an RRset anyway, as
 I don't know in what other sense DNSSEC is relevant at all.
 
 But the canonical ordering of RRs within an RRset for signing purposes
 says nothing about the presentation order in the answers to DNS queries.
 And in fact a certain well-known nameserver implementation not unassociated
 with Paul still supports all the rrset-order and sortlist controls, which
 work for secured zones as well as unsecured ones.
 
 -- 
 Chris Thompson
 Email: c...@cam.ac.uk
 
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Re: [dnsext] RFC 3484 section 6 rule 9 causing more operational problems

2009-03-05 Thread Chris Thompson

On Mar 4 2009, Ondřej Surý wrote:


On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:57 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:

[...]

DNSSEC does reorder RRSets within a zone.  Which is a new feature.


When we started talking about order of RRSets?  This is purely discussion
about order of RRs in RRSet. Order of RRSets in zone is irrelevant before
DNSSEC and also after DNSSEC. Nothing depends on order of RRSets
at least in my best knowledge.


I took Bill to mean DNSSEC does reorder RRs within an RRset anyway, as
I don't know in what other sense DNSSEC is relevant at all.

But the canonical ordering of RRs within an RRset for signing purposes
says nothing about the presentation order in the answers to DNS queries.
And in fact a certain well-known nameserver implementation not unassociated
with Paul still supports all the rrset-order and sortlist controls, which
work for secured zones as well as unsecured ones.

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Re: [dnsext] RFC 3484 section 6 rule 9 causing more operational problems

2009-03-05 Thread Florian Weimer
* Paul Vixie:

 neither a client or a server can be guaranteed topology-aware.  dns leaves
 ordering deliberately undefined and encourages applications to use their
 own best judgement.

The leaves undefined part is at odds with your previous statement
that RFC 3484 is correct.  It is compliant with the rest of the
protocol zoo, but the order of records, as seen by applications, is
no longer undefined.

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Re: [dnsext] RFC 3484 section 6 rule 9 causing more operational problems

2009-03-05 Thread Florian Weimer
* Christian Huitema:

 The order of5C records in a DNS response is, at best, a
 hint. Relying on it as if it were a mandate to clients is a gamble.

When you run RRset-based load balancing, you don't rely on servers
preserving order, or reordering responses.  It is completely
sufficient that there is a certain amount of variation among resolver
and application address selection.  It has been repeatedly and
independently observed that Rule 9 does not provide sufficient
variance, in contrast to previous behavior.

Rule 9 is also unfortunate because it means that after renumbering,
server loads change in ways the operator cannot influence (except by
requesting addresses with certain bit patterns, but I don't think
anybody wants vanity IP addresses).

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Re: [dnsext] Re: RFC 3484 section 6 rule 9 causing more operational problems

2009-03-05 Thread Florian Weimer
* Paul Vixie:

 Large numbers of sites have been depending on this behaviour for over 15
 years, so it was wrong of RFC 3484 to break it.

 some number of vendors have depended on revenue from selling this feature
 but i'd say that only a small number of sites ever saw any benefit from it.

pool.ntp.org, security.debian.org, rsync.gentoo.org,
[a-o].ns.spamhaus.org, [a-n].surbl.org.  In general the large RRset
approach is used by those who do not buy special DNS appliance to
serve their zones, I think.

Many CDNs also serve multiple addresses selected from a larger pool,
probably based on network topology and server load/availability.
Those folks can mitigate Rule 9 impact by carefully tuning the address
set in each response.  But those who rely on IETF protocols to
distribute and publish their DNS data are out of luck.

(Another approach to deal with the Rule 9 fallout is to put all your
servers into a dedicated prefix, but I don't think this is a good idea
in general.)

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Re: [dnsext] RFC 3484 section 6 rule 9 causing more operational problems

2009-03-05 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:57 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 05:11:47PM +, Paul Vixie wrote:
i disagree.  dns-based load balancing is an unfortunate overloading
 and
should never be done.  RFC 3484 is correct as it is.
  
   Why is it right for topology-ignorant clients to override
 topology-aware
   DNS servers based on wishful thinking about RIR address allocation
   policies?
 
  neither a client or a server can be guaranteed topology-aware.  dns
 leaves
  ordering deliberately undefined and encourages applications to use their
  own best judgement.
 

 DNSSEC does reorder RRSets within a zone.  Which is a new feature.


When we started talking about order of RRSets?  This is purely discussion
about order of RRs in RRSet. Order of RRSets in zone is irrelevant before
DNSSEC and also after DNSSEC. Nothing depends on order of RRSets
at least in my best knowledge.

Ondrej.
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Re: [dnsext] RFC 3484 section 6 rule 9 causing more operational problems

2009-03-05 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:04 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:

 we now return you to your rant.


Sorry, if I sounded too harsh.

 my error here - Paul said DNS does no ordering... he did not specify
 ordering of what.


Order of RRs in zone file is not relevant for the order on the wire.
DNS (as in DNS protocol) does no ordering.

Ondrej.


 --bill


 On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:54:37PM +, Chris Thompson wrote:
  On Mar 4 2009, OndE ej SurC= wrote:
 
  On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:57 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
  [...]
  DNSSEC does reorder RRSets within a zone.  Which is a new
 feature.
  
  When we started talking about order of RRSets?  This is purely
 discussion
  about order of RRs in RRSet. Order of RRSets in zone is irrelevant
 before
  DNSSEC and also after DNSSEC. Nothing depends on order of RRSets
  at least in my best knowledge.
 
  I took Bill to mean DNSSEC does reorder RRs within an RRset anyway, as
  I don't know in what other sense DNSSEC is relevant at all.
 
  But the canonical ordering of RRs within an RRset for signing purposes
  says nothing about the presentation order in the answers to DNS queries.
  And in fact a certain well-known nameserver implementation not
 unassociated
  with Paul still supports all the rrset-order and sortlist controls, which
  work for secured zones as well as unsecured ones.
 
  --
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  Email: c...@cam.ac.uk
 




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Re: [dnsext] RFC 3484 section 6 rule 9 causing more operational problems

2009-03-05 Thread Paul Vixie
  RFC 3484 is correct as it is.
 
Here I don't. The idea behind is good, the implementation is not.
Client would have to know BGP path to DA + DB and decide on basis of
routing protocol. Selection based on longest matching prefix will work
in only very small percent of case, all other cases are based on pure
luck.

random tends to be best, honestly.  but if there's an alternative that's
in the same /24 or /16 with you then this will be a useful optimization.
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Re: [dnsext] Re: RFC 3484 section 6 rule 9 causing more operational problems

2009-03-05 Thread Paul Vixie
  you'll see roundrobin and lifo, among others, in many caches including
  stub caches.
 
 Large numbers of sites have been depending on this behaviour for over 15
 years, so it was wrong of RFC 3484 to break it.

some number of vendors have depended on revenue from selling this feature
but i'd say that only a small number of sites ever saw any benefit from it.
we've been lifo'ing and round robin'ing dns data in caches and stubs for a
lot longer than 15 years, and the original dns rfc's said specifically that
rrset ordering was not guaranteed in the protocol, so anyone who depended
on it was getting screwed a long time before RFC 3484 came around.
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Re: Reverse IPv6 DNS checks on ietf MXs?

2009-03-05 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Andrew Sullivan wrote:
 On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 10:32:28AM -0800, Doug Otis wrote:
 Note that there has been work in DNSOP suggesting that rejecting on  
 the failure of reverse DNS lookup is not always a good idea.  
 Agreed.  
 
 Just to be clear: I am not sure I agree with those who think reverse
 DNS should not be maintained, but there were strong currents in the WG
 that led to the text of that I-D as it stands.  It isn't clear to me
 where the I-D stands in its progression (if there is to be any) from
 the WG, so I have no idea what the Chairs will say was consensus.  But
 there was a WGLC in which at least some people suggested the text of
 draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-06.txt still contained
 too much endorsement of the reverse tree.  My personal interpretation
 of those remarks is that there will always be a hard core of operators
 who regard the reverse tree as an insupportable burden (without
 consideration for the v4/v6 differences).

I think it's hard to argue that it isn't a greater burden in ipv6,
whether it is insupportable is a question of degree... obviously one can
simply use wildcards in zones to generate responses whether tha produces
a level of congruence between forward and reverse or even any actual
meaning that's useful is another question entirely.

 A
 

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RE: Abstract on Page 1?

2009-03-05 Thread John C Klensin


--On Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:37 -0800 Paul Hoffman
paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote:

 At 1:14 PM -0500 3/5/09, John C Klensin wrote:
 I'd like to be sure that the people proposing this are all
 actually proposing the same thing... versus the possibility
 that they have different things in mind.
 
 Fully agree.
 
 The proposed IAB document,
 draft-iab-streams-headers-boilerplates,
 
 This thread, until your message, was about Internet Drafts;
 yours is about RFCs. The issues are quite different.

As you might remember if you followed my many comments on this
list about the IAB document, I think that separating the two
--creating formats that are significantly different-- is looking
for all sorts of trouble.  IMO, one of our big breakthroughs of
the last few years has been the ability of authors and the RFC
Editor to work in xml2rfc format, doing clean diffs on the
relationship between an I-D and the final working (AUTH48)
drafts of RFCs.  I'm also concerned about the burdens on
tool-builders and tools, especially those less sophisticated
than xml2rfc, if we end up needing references from boilerplate
in the front of documents to sections or pages near the end (or
buried in the middle).

So, to me at least, move status and copyright to the end gets
a lot less attractive if that is ...end of I-D but not RFCs
rather than both.

It also leads me to wonder about alternate solutions if the
problem to be solved is really abstract on page 1.

For example, if we are talking about I-Ds, maybe the length of
the Status section needs serious review.  In particular, I would
guess that 

-- The second paragraph could be shortened significantly
or dropped; I don't know what it accomplishes.

-- While I'm one of the few remaining fans of the valid
for only six months rule, it has been diluted
sufficiently that perhaps we should be having a
discussion about whether that paragraph, or at least the
first half of the first sentence, is useful enough to
justify the space any more, especially with the
requirement for an expiration date on the document.

-- The two The list of... paragraphs have almost
certainly become noise.  The shadow list is not complete
and still refers to FTP archives and 1id-abstracts.txt
no longer contains the information that the sentence
suggests it does.  Apparently no one has complained to
the Secretariat or Tools Team about either, which is
probably a hint about how useful they are. 

By my count, that would get rid of at least nine lines, or at
least eleven if we concluded that we don't need a This
Internet-Draft will expire statement in the Status if it
appears in page footers.

In addition, no matter what requirements exist about placement
of copyright notices, I can imagine no possible reason why the
order of Status and Abstract cannot simply be switched (in both
RFCs and I-Ds) other than whatever energy it takes to make the
decision.  Since the Status section is 22 lines long in its most
common current form (and without the workaround text) and the
RFC Editor strongly discourages abstracts longer than about a
dozen lines, just making that switch (even without the Status
trimming I suggest above) would get the Abstracts onto the first
page, always.

So, just as I'd like to understand what people are advocating
moving, I'd like to see if we can separate an objective (e.g.,
get the Abstract onto Page 1) from a mechanism (e.g., move
the boilerplate to the end).

   john

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Protocol Action: 'RPC: Remote Procedure Call Protocol Specification Version 2' to Draft Standard

2009-03-05 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document:

- 'RPC: Remote Procedure Call Protocol Specification Version 2 '
   draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc1831bis-13.txt as a Draft Standard

This document is the product of the Network File System Version 4 Working 
Group. 

The IESG contact persons are Lars Eggert and Magnus Westerlund.

A URL of this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc1831bis-13.txt

Technical Summary

This document is intended to replace RFC 1831 as the
authoritative document describing RPC, without introducing
any over-the-wire protocol changes. The update includes
transition of the RPC program and authentication registries
to IANA along with appropriate rules for new entry requests.
It also provides additional discussion the the security
considerations section based on experience with strong
security flavors.

Working Group Summary

There is a long implementation history of this protocol and
the main intent of this document update is to move the RPC
RFC to Draft Standard. There has been strong support of this
within the RPC community and specifically within the working
group.

Document Quality

Given the review time, the numerous implementations in
existence and the updates that have been done, the quality of
this document is high.

Personnel

Spencer Shepler (spencer.shep...@gmail.com) is the Document
Shepherd. Lars Eggert (lars.egg...@nokia.com) reviewed this
document for the IESG.

Note to RFC Editor
 
Please make the following substitution in section 14:

OLD

   AUTH_DH as mentioned in sections 8.2 and 13.4.2 is considered
   obsolete and insecure; see [RFC2695].  AUTH_SYS SHOULD NOT be used
   for services which permit clients to modify data.  AUTH_DH MUST NOT
   be specified as RECOMMENDED or REQUIRED for any standards-track RPC
   service.

NEW


   AUTH_DH as mentioned in sections 8.2 and 13.4.2 is considered
   obsolete and insecure; see [RFC2695].  AUTH_DH SHOULD NOT be used
   ^^
   for services which permit clients to modify data.  AUTH_DH MUST NOT
   be specified as RECOMMENDED or REQUIRED for any standards-track RPC
   service.

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RFC 5415 on Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access Points (CAPWAP) Protocol Specification

2009-03-05 Thread rfc-editor

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RFC 5415

Title:  Control And Provisioning of Wireless 
Access Points (CAPWAP) Protocol Specification 
Author: P. Calhoun, Ed.,
M. Montemurro, Ed.,
D. Stanley, Ed.
Status: Standards Track
Date:   March 2009
Mailbox:pcalh...@cisco.com, 
mmontemu...@rim.com, 
dstan...@arubanetworks.com
Pages:  155
Characters: 345381
Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

I-D Tag:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-15.txt

URL:http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5415.txt

This specification defines the Control And Provisioning of Wireless
Access Points (CAPWAP) Protocol, meeting the objectives defined by
the CAPWAP Working Group in RFC 4564.  The CAPWAP protocol is
designed to be flexible, allowing it to be used for a variety of
wireless technologies.  This document describes the base CAPWAP
protocol, while separate binding extensions will enable its use with
additional wireless technologies.  [STANDARDS TRACK]

This document is a product of the Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access 
Points Working Group of the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol.

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RFC 5416 on Control and Provisioning of Wireless Access Points (CAPWAP) Protocol Binding for IEEE 802.11

2009-03-05 Thread rfc-editor

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RFC 5416

Title:  Control and Provisioning of Wireless 
Access Points (CAPWAP) Protocol Binding for 
IEEE 802.11 
Author: P. Calhoun, Ed.,
M. Montemurro, Ed.,
D. Stanley, Ed.
Status: Standards Track
Date:   March 2009
Mailbox:pcalh...@cisco.com, 
mmontemu...@rim.com, 
dstan...@arubanetworks.com
Pages:  76
Characters: 175870
Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

I-D Tag:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-binding-ieee80211-12.txt

URL:http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5416.txt

Wireless LAN product architectures have evolved from single
autonomous access points to systems consisting of a centralized
Access Controller (AC) and Wireless Termination Points (WTPs).  The
general goal of centralized control architectures is to move access
control, including user authentication and authorization, mobility
management, and radio management from the single access point to a
centralized controller.

This specification defines the Control And Provisioning of Wireless
Access Points (CAPWAP) Protocol Binding Specification for use with
the IEEE 802.11 Wireless Local Area Network protocol.  [STANDARDS TRACK]

This document is a product of the Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access 
Points Working Group of the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol.

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RFC 5417 on Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access Points (CAPWAP) Access Controller DHCP Option

2009-03-05 Thread rfc-editor

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RFC 5417

Title:  Control And Provisioning of Wireless 
Access Points (CAPWAP) Access Controller DHCP 
Option 
Author: P. Calhoun
Status: Standards Track
Date:   March 2009
Mailbox:pcalh...@cisco.com
Pages:  6
Characters: 11551
Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

I-D Tag:draft-ietf-capwap-dhc-ac-option-02.txt

URL:http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5417.txt

The Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access Points Protocol
allows a Wireless Termination Point to use DHCP to discover the
Access Controllers to which it is to connect.  This document
describes the DHCP options to be used by the CAPWAP Protocol.
[STANDARDS TRACK]

This document is a product of the Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access 
Points Working Group of the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol.

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RFC 5418 on Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access Points (CAPWAP) Threat Analysis for IEEE 802.11 Deployments

2009-03-05 Thread rfc-editor

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RFC 5418

Title:  Control And Provisioning of Wireless 
Access Points (CAPWAP) Threat Analysis for 
IEEE 802.11 Deployments 
Author: S. Kelly, T. Clancy
Status: Informational
Date:   March 2009
Mailbox:sc...@hyperthought.com, 
cla...@ltsnet.net
Pages:  34
Characters: 74169
Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

I-D Tag:draft-ietf-capwap-threat-analysis-04.txt

URL:http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5418.txt

Early Wireless Local Area Network (WLAN) deployments feature a fat
Access Point (AP), which serves as a %stand-alone interface between
the wired and wireless network segments.  However, this model raises
scaling, mobility, and manageability issues, and the Control and
Provisioning of Wireless Access Points (CAPWAP) protocol is meant to
address these issues.  CAPWAP effectively splits the fat AP
functionality into two network elements, and the communication
channel between these components may traverse potentially hostile
hops.  This document analyzes the security exposure resulting from
the introduction of CAPWAP and summarizes the associated security
considerations for IEEE 802.11-based CAPWAP implementations and
deployments.  This memo provides information for the Internet community.

This document is a product of the Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access 
Points Working Group of the IETF.


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RFC 5478 on IANA Registration of New Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Resource-Priority Namespaces

2009-03-05 Thread rfc-editor

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RFC 5478

Title:  IANA Registration of New Session 
Initiation Protocol (SIP) Resource-Priority Namespaces 
Author: J. Polk
Status: Standards Track
Date:   March 2009
Mailbox:jmp...@cisco.com
Pages:  6
Characters: 12810
Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

I-D Tag:draft-ietf-sip-rph-new-namespaces-04.txt

URL:http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5478.txt

This document creates additional Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)
Resource-Priority namespaces to meet the requirements of the US
Defense Information Systems Agency, and places these namespaces in
the IANA registry.  [STANDARDS TRACK]

This document is a product of the Session Initiation Protocol Working Group of 
the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol.

STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet standards track
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