RE: IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa Rica Meeting ?

2012-03-29 Thread George, Wes
Which is why I'm wondering why it took us that long to punt him? Our rules 
shouldn't treat people like this as a first-time poster if it's the same 
nonsense that got them banned before, but from a new email address.

Mr. Fleming had stopped trolling lists for the last 6-9 months, but prior to 
that he was hitting every list he could find plus Twitter (hashtag spamming), 
and it appears that it's about to start again, so I'd ask that the admins be a 
bit more aggressive in this regard.

Thanks
Wes George


> -Original Message-
> From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yoav
> Nir
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 6:01 PM
> To: Eric Burger
> Cc: IETF list
> Subject: Re: IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa
> Rica Meeting ?
>
> Oh, this guy pre-dates RFC 4633
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22jim%20fleming%22%20site:ietf.org
>
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:48 PM, Eric Burger wrote:
>
> > I was about to say we are at a point for an RFC 4633 action. Thanks.
> >
> > On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:26 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Jim,
> >>
> >> This is my last message to you as IETF Sergeant-at-arms.
> >>
> >> I've asked the Secretariat avoid your posts going thru the email exploder.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jordi
>


This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable 
proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to 
copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for 
the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not 
the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any 
dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the 
contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be 
unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender 
immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and 
any printout.


RE: IETF attendees reengineer their hotel's Wi-Fi network

2012-03-29 Thread George, Wes
I had recommended separately on the attendees list that perhaps Chelliot and 
his merry band of "supernerds" need to write an informational or BCP draft, 
accompanied by a round of *NOG presentations to share the wealth, as 
documentation in this area appears a bit sparse -- I've been to plenty of other 
conferences where the wireless network melted down in the hotel, conference 
itself or both. In response, Joel Jaeggli pointed to a NANOG presentation that 
is so old that it's still talking about 802.11G (and A) as a future thing, and 
the network in question was probably dealing with half or less of the devices 
that a modern one must do (no wi-fi phones, tablets, etc). So while the 
fundamentals of dealing with RF frequency overlap and power probably haven't 
changed much, I think that perhaps we're due for an update on the experience of 
managing and optimizing large-scale conference/hotel WiFi networks, especially 
the part about the tools that you use that enable you to re-engineer a network 
of that size on the fly (aside from "pure awesome" and "lack of sleep", that 
is). :-)

Thanks,

Wes


> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:rob...@raszuk.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:44 PM
> To: George, Wes
> Cc: IETF Discussion
> Subject: Fwd: IETF attendees reengineer their hotel's Wi-Fi network
>
> Hi Wes,
>
> Could we perhaps add a section to your draft
> (draft-george-travel-faq-05.txt) on how to fix wifi network in the hotel
> you are staying ?
>
> Pointer to set of open source wifi troubleshooting tools would be
> welcome too ;)
>
> Cheers,
> R.
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: IETF attendees reengineer their hotel's Wi-Fi network
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:28:26 -0400
> From: Russ Housley 
> To: IETF 
>
> Disgusted IETF attendees reengineer their Paris hotel's Wi-Fi network
> What happens when a bunch of IETF super nerds show up in Paris for a
> major conference and discover their hotel's Wi-Fi network has imploded?
>
> http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/6464858/258923304/355639/0/
>
>


This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable 
proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to 
copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for 
the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not 
the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any 
dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the 
contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be 
unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender 
immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and 
any printout.


Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2012-03-29 Thread Thomas Narten
Total of 62 messages in the last 7 days.
 
script run at: Fri Mar 30 00:53:01 EDT 2012
 
Messages   |  Bytes| Who
+--++--+
 17.74% |   11 | 13.46% |78436 | ietf.fact.ch...@gmail.com
  6.45% |4 |  7.50% |43736 | daedu...@btconnect.com
  6.45% |4 |  4.60% |26804 | morrowc.li...@gmail.com
  1.61% |1 |  8.03% |46785 | rcal...@juniper.net
  3.23% |2 |  4.68% |27290 | jordi.pa...@consulintel.es
  1.61% |1 |  6.24% |36393 | malcolm.be...@zte.com.cn
  4.84% |3 |  2.88% |16794 | s...@resistor.net
  1.61% |1 |  6.10% |35534 | mustapha.aissa...@alcatel-lucent.com
  3.23% |2 |  4.32% |25192 | nurit.sprec...@nsn.com
  3.23% |2 |  2.17% |12636 | marshall.euba...@gmail.com
  3.23% |2 |  2.06% |11998 | hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net
  3.23% |2 |  1.85% |10809 | i...@meetecho.com
  1.61% |1 |  3.43% |19970 | y...@checkpoint.com
  3.23% |2 |  1.74% |10155 | rpellet...@isoc.org
  3.23% |2 |  1.67% | 9723 | francis.dup...@fdupont.fr
  1.61% |1 |  3.04% |17729 | eburge...@standardstrack.com
  1.61% |1 |  2.65% |15461 | l...@pi.nu
  1.61% |1 |  2.15% |12509 | huubatw...@gmail.com
  1.61% |1 |  1.78% |10373 | akat...@gmail.com
  1.61% |1 |  1.72% |10050 | nar...@us.ibm.com
  1.61% |1 |  1.66% | 9682 | a...@tr-sys.de
  1.61% |1 |  1.59% | 9290 | rco...@ptinovacao.pt
  1.61% |1 |  1.47% | 8549 | denghu...@gmail.com
  1.61% |1 |  1.07% | 6226 | dcroc...@gmail.com
  1.61% |1 |  1.04% | 6063 | thierry.mor...@connotech.com
  1.61% |1 |  1.04% | 6045 | f...@cisco.com
  1.61% |1 |  1.00% | 5855 | amor...@amsl.com
  1.61% |1 |  0.98% | 5696 | d...@cridland.net
  1.61% |1 |  0.95% | 5536 | rob...@raszuk.net
  1.61% |1 |  0.94% | 5453 | vinay...@gmail.com
  1.61% |1 |  0.91% | 5302 | d...@xpasc.com
  1.61% |1 |  0.91% | 5296 | hartmans-i...@mit.edu
  1.61% |1 |  0.90% | 5257 | n...@inex.ie
  1.61% |1 |  0.90% | 5254 | joe...@bogus.com
  1.61% |1 |  0.88% | 5155 | d...@virtualized.org
  1.61% |1 |  0.87% | 5086 | j...@jck.com
  1.61% |1 |  0.82% | 4792 | hous...@vigilsec.com
+--++--+
100.00% |   62 |100.00% |   582914 | Total



Re: IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa Rica Meeting ?

2012-03-29 Thread Yoav Nir
Oh, this guy pre-dates RFC 4633

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22jim%20fleming%22%20site:ietf.org

On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:48 PM, Eric Burger wrote:

> I was about to say we are at a point for an RFC 4633 action. Thanks.
>
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:26 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> This is my last message to you as IETF Sergeant-at-arms.
>>
>> I've asked the Secretariat avoid your posts going thru the email exploder.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jordi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Mensaje original-
>> De: Jim Fleming 
>> Responder a: 
>> Fecha: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:09:50 -0500
>> Para: ietf 
>> Asunto: IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa
>> Rica Meeting ?
>>
>>> IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa Rica
>>> Meeting ?
>>>
>>> https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf83/attendance.py
>>>
>>> http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/CR43/
>>>
>>> Registration list as of: 03/29/2012
>>> NAME AFFILIATION COUNTRY
>>> AARON STEWARTCLOUD VINE  United States
>>> Aarón Quesada Méndez Ice Costa Rica
>>> Abdoul-Akim Adjibola Benin Telecoms  BENIN
>>> Abel Brenes  University of Cosra RicaCosta Rica
>>> ABELARDO FONSECA LA NACIÒN   Costa Rica
>>> Abiodun Olawale  Reboot& Associates Ltd
>>> Abraham ArayaMMSoluciones Seguridad en Informatica   Costa Rica
>>> Abraham Djekou   AtciCote d''Ivoire
>>> Abraham RodriguezAgencia Datsun Nissan   Costa Rica
>>> Acc Va Cac   Ac Ac   CR
>>> Adalberto López  NIC Costa Rica
>>> Adam Eisner  Tucows Inc.
>>> Adam Peake   Glocom  Japan
>>> Adaobi Okeke Nigerian Communications Commission  Nigeria
>>> Adebiyi Oladipo  Nigeria Internet Registration Association (NIRA)   
>>>  Nigeria
>>> Adebunmi Akinbo  Young Internet Professionals (YiPS)/(NiRA) dotNG   
>>>  Nigeria
>>> Adela Elena Danciu   Fellowship  Romania
>>> Adrian Carballo  South School On Internet Governance Argentina
>>> Adrian GarciaISOC Costa Rica Chapter Costa Rica
>>> Adrian Kinderis  ARI Registry Services   Australia
>>> Adrián Pérez CcssCosta Rica
>>> Adrián Quesada Rodríguez Costa Rica
>>> Adrián SolanoAcoprot Costa Rica
>>> ADRIANA DIAZ ICANN   Costa Rica
>>> Adriana González Sulá Batsú  Costa Rica
>>> Adriana Rivero   Lacnic  Uruguay
>>> Adriana UlateCOSTA RICA
>>> AGARWAL SWAPNA   .INDIA  India
>>> Ague Alain   Ministry of agriculture Bénin
>>> Ahsan Fahmi  Pakistan
>>> Aimee Deziel Mad
>>> Akewushola Adisa Sanbak Communications CommissionNigeria
>>> Akinori Maemura  JPNIC   Japan
>>> Alain Artero European Broadcasting Union France
>>> Alain Berranger  Centre d'étude et de coopération internationale
>>>  Canada
>>> Alain Bidron France Telecom/ETNO France
>>> Alain Patrick Aina   AFRIMIC Bénin
>>> Alan Barrett AfriNIC / ASO-ACSouth Africa
>>> Alan Fernández Marín Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
>>> Alan Fernández Marín Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
>>> Alan Greenberg   Alac/gnso   Canada
>>> Alan Gutierrez   Att Bolivia
>>> Alberto GomezRed.es  España
>>> Alberto Medrano Cáceres  Universidad NacionalCosta Rica
>>> Alejandra Castro Arias & Muñoz   Costa Rica
>>> Alejandra Fernández Bonilla  TV Channel 15, University of Costa Rica
>>> Costa Rica
>>> Alejandra ReynosoFellowship  Guatemala
>>> Alejandro Berrocal Valverde  Viceministrerio Telecomunicaciones MINAET
>>> Costa Rica
>>> Alejandro Cruz   Ministro de CIencia y TecnologiaCosta Rica
>>> Alejandro Esquivel Rodriguez Cisco Systems   Costa Rica
>>> Alejandro Guzman ASO AC - LACNIC - GoogleColombia
>>> Alejandro JimenezIce Costa Rica
>>> Alejandro LizNic Do  Dominican Republic
>>> Alejandro Moscol Fellow  PERÚ
>>> Alejandro PisantyISOC Mexico Mexico
>>> Alejandro Portilla Navarro   Radio Universidad de Costa Rica Costa 
>>> Rica
>>> Alejandro Rivera ICE Costa Rica
>>> Alejandro Solis  Unimer  Costa Rica
>>> Alex Blowers Nominet United Kingdom
>>> Alex Mwangangi   Municipal Council Of Mavoko KENYA
>>> Alex Siffrin Key-Systems GmbH
>>> Alex Stamos  iSEC Partners   United States
>>> Alexa Raad   Architelos  United States
>>> Alexander AlíCosta Rica
>>> Alexander Flores Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
>>> Alexander Mora   CAMTIC  Costa Rica
>>> Alexander Mora   Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
>>> Alexander OtárolaOmd Costa Rica
>>> Alexander Panov  Ru-Center   Russia
>>> Alexander Rojas  Coral Technologies  Costa Rica
>>> Alexander Salas Arce Oficina Digital - CentroAmerica Hosting
>>>  Costa Rica
>>> Alexan

Re: IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa Rica Meeting ?

2012-03-29 Thread Eric Burger
I was about to say we are at a point for an RFC 4633 action. Thanks.

On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:26 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> This is my last message to you as IETF Sergeant-at-arms.
> 
> I've asked the Secretariat avoid your posts going thru the email exploder.
> 
> Regards,
> Jordi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Mensaje original-
> De: Jim Fleming 
> Responder a: 
> Fecha: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:09:50 -0500
> Para: ietf 
> Asunto: IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa
> Rica Meeting ?
> 
>> IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa Rica
>> Meeting ?
>> 
>> https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf83/attendance.py
>> 
>> http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/CR43/
>> 
>> Registration list as of: 03/29/2012
>> NAME AFFILIATION COUNTRY
>> AARON STEWARTCLOUD VINE  United States
>> Aarón Quesada Méndez Ice Costa Rica
>> Abdoul-Akim Adjibola Benin Telecoms  BENIN
>> Abel Brenes  University of Cosra RicaCosta Rica
>> ABELARDO FONSECA LA NACIÒN   Costa Rica
>> Abiodun Olawale  Reboot& Associates Ltd  
>> Abraham ArayaMMSoluciones Seguridad en Informatica   Costa Rica
>> Abraham Djekou   AtciCote d''Ivoire
>> Abraham RodriguezAgencia Datsun Nissan   Costa Rica
>> Acc Va Cac   Ac Ac   CR
>> Adalberto López  NIC Costa Rica  
>> Adam Eisner  Tucows Inc. 
>> Adam Peake   Glocom  Japan
>> Adaobi Okeke Nigerian Communications Commission  Nigeria
>> Adebiyi Oladipo  Nigeria Internet Registration Association (NIRA)
>> Nigeria
>> Adebunmi Akinbo  Young Internet Professionals (YiPS)/(NiRA) dotNG
>> Nigeria
>> Adela Elena Danciu   Fellowship  Romania
>> Adrian Carballo  South School On Internet Governance Argentina
>> Adrian GarciaISOC Costa Rica Chapter Costa Rica
>> Adrian Kinderis  ARI Registry Services   Australia
>> Adrián Pérez CcssCosta Rica
>> Adrián Quesada Rodríguez Costa Rica
>> Adrián SolanoAcoprot Costa Rica
>> ADRIANA DIAZ ICANN   Costa Rica
>> Adriana González Sulá Batsú  Costa Rica
>> Adriana Rivero   Lacnic  Uruguay
>> Adriana UlateCOSTA RICA
>> AGARWAL SWAPNA   .INDIA  India
>> Ague Alain   Ministry of agriculture Bénin
>> Ahsan Fahmi  Pakistan
>> Aimee Deziel Mad 
>> Akewushola Adisa Sanbak Communications CommissionNigeria
>> Akinori Maemura  JPNIC   Japan
>> Alain Artero European Broadcasting Union France
>> Alain Berranger  Centre d'étude et de coopération internationale 
>> Canada
>> Alain Bidron France Telecom/ETNO France
>> Alain Patrick Aina   AFRIMIC Bénin
>> Alan Barrett AfriNIC / ASO-ACSouth Africa
>> Alan Fernández Marín Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
>> Alan Fernández Marín Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
>> Alan Greenberg   Alac/gnso   Canada
>> Alan Gutierrez   Att Bolivia
>> Alberto GomezRed.es  España
>> Alberto Medrano Cáceres  Universidad NacionalCosta Rica
>> Alejandra Castro Arias & Muñoz   Costa Rica
>> Alejandra Fernández Bonilla  TV Channel 15, University of Costa Rica
>>  Costa Rica
>> Alejandra ReynosoFellowship  Guatemala
>> Alejandro Berrocal Valverde  Viceministrerio Telecomunicaciones MINAET
>>  Costa Rica
>> Alejandro Cruz   Ministro de CIencia y TecnologiaCosta Rica
>> Alejandro Esquivel Rodriguez Cisco Systems   Costa Rica
>> Alejandro Guzman ASO AC - LACNIC - GoogleColombia
>> Alejandro JimenezIce Costa Rica
>> Alejandro LizNic Do  Dominican Republic
>> Alejandro Moscol Fellow  PERÚ
>> Alejandro PisantyISOC Mexico Mexico
>> Alejandro Portilla Navarro   Radio Universidad de Costa Rica Costa 
>> Rica
>> Alejandro Rivera ICE Costa Rica
>> Alejandro Solis  Unimer  Costa Rica
>> Alex Blowers Nominet United Kingdom
>> Alex Mwangangi   Municipal Council Of Mavoko KENYA
>> Alex Siffrin Key-Systems GmbH
>> Alex Stamos  iSEC Partners   United States
>> Alexa Raad   Architelos  United States
>> Alexander AlíCosta Rica
>> Alexander Flores Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
>> Alexander Mora   CAMTIC  Costa Rica
>> Alexander Mora   Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
>> Alexander OtárolaOmd Costa Rica
>> Alexander Panov  Ru-Center   Russia
>> Alexander Rojas  Coral Technologies  Costa Rica
>> Alexander Salas Arce Oficina Digital - CentroAmerica Hosting 
>> Costa Rica
>> Alexander Schubert   dotgay LLC  USA
>> Alexander Schwertner EPAG Domainservices GmbHGermany
>> Alexander Seger  Council of Europe   France
>> Alexis Coto  Colegio AgropecuarioCosta Rica
>> Alexis Sandova

Fwd: IETF attendees reengineer their hotel's Wi-Fi network

2012-03-29 Thread Robert Raszuk

Hi Wes,

Could we perhaps add a section to your draft 
(draft-george-travel-faq-05.txt) on how to fix wifi network in the hotel 
you are staying ?


Pointer to set of open source wifi troubleshooting tools would be 
welcome too ;)


Cheers,
R.

 Original Message 
Subject: IETF attendees reengineer their hotel's Wi-Fi network
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:28:26 -0400
From: Russ Housley 
To: IETF 

Disgusted IETF attendees reengineer their Paris hotel's Wi-Fi network
What happens when a bunch of IETF super nerds show up in Paris for a 
major conference and discover their hotel's Wi-Fi network has imploded?


http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/6464858/258923304/355639/0/





IETF attendees reengineer their hotel's Wi-Fi network

2012-03-29 Thread Russ Housley

Disgusted IETF attendees reengineer their Paris hotel's Wi-Fi network
What happens when a bunch of IETF super nerds show up in Paris for a major 
conference and discover their hotel's Wi-Fi network has imploded?

http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/6464858/258923304/355639/0/ 



Re: [conex] Last Call: (ConEx Concepts and Use Cases) to Informational RFC

2012-03-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Christopher Morrow
 wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:10 AM, The IESG  wrote:
>>
>> The IESG has received a request from the Congestion Exposure WG (conex)
>> to consider the following document:
>> - 'ConEx Concepts and Use Cases'
>>   as an Informational RFC
>>
>> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
>> final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
>> ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-04-12. Exceptionally, comments may be
>> sent to i...@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
>> beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
>>
>> Abstract
>>
>>
>>   This document provides the entry point to the set of documentation
>>   about the Congestion Exposure (ConEx) protocol.  It explains the
>>   motivation for including a ConEx marking at the IP layer: to expose
>>   information about congestion to network nodes.  Although such
>>   information may have a number of uses, this document focuses on how
>>   the information communicated by the ConEx marking can serve as the
>>   basis for significantly more efficient and effective traffic
>>   management than what exists on the Internet today.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The file can be obtained via
>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-conex-concepts-uses/
>>
>> IESG discussion can be tracked via
>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-conex-concepts-uses/ballot/
>>
>>
>> No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.
>
> Didn't Mr Briscoe just email that there was a BT IPR claim against
> this ID, related to re-ECN work he did/does for BT?

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/conex/current/msg00916.html


Re: [conex] Last Call: (ConEx Concepts and Use Cases) to Informational RFC

2012-03-29 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:10 AM, The IESG  wrote:
>
> The IESG has received a request from the Congestion Exposure WG (conex)
> to consider the following document:
> - 'ConEx Concepts and Use Cases'
>   as an Informational RFC
>
> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
> final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
> ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-04-12. Exceptionally, comments may be
> sent to i...@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
> beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
>
> Abstract
>
>
>   This document provides the entry point to the set of documentation
>   about the Congestion Exposure (ConEx) protocol.  It explains the
>   motivation for including a ConEx marking at the IP layer: to expose
>   information about congestion to network nodes.  Although such
>   information may have a number of uses, this document focuses on how
>   the information communicated by the ConEx marking can serve as the
>   basis for significantly more efficient and effective traffic
>   management than what exists on the Internet today.
>
>
>
>
> The file can be obtained via
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-conex-concepts-uses/
>
> IESG discussion can be tracked via
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-conex-concepts-uses/ballot/
>
>
> No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.

Didn't Mr Briscoe just email that there was a BT IPR claim against
this ID, related to re-ECN work he did/does for BT?

> ___
> conex mailing list
> co...@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/conex


Re: IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa Rica Meeting ?

2012-03-29 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Hi Jim,

This is my last message to you as IETF Sergeant-at-arms.

I've asked the Secretariat avoid your posts going thru the email exploder.

Regards,
Jordi






-Mensaje original-
De: Jim Fleming 
Responder a: 
Fecha: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:09:50 -0500
Para: ietf 
Asunto: IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa
Rica Meeting ?

>IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa Rica
>Meeting ?
>
>https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf83/attendance.py
>
>http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/CR43/
>
>Registration list as of: 03/29/2012
>NAME   AFFILIATION COUNTRY
>AARON STEWART  CLOUD VINE  United States
>Aarón Quesada Méndez   Ice Costa Rica
>Abdoul-Akim Adjibola   Benin Telecoms  BENIN
>Abel BrenesUniversity of Cosra RicaCosta Rica
>ABELARDO FONSECA   LA NACIÒN   Costa Rica
>Abiodun OlawaleReboot& Associates Ltd  
>Abraham Araya  MMSoluciones Seguridad en Informatica   Costa Rica
>Abraham Djekou AtciCote d''Ivoire
>Abraham Rodriguez  Agencia Datsun Nissan   Costa Rica
>Acc Va Cac Ac Ac   CR
>Adalberto LópezNIC Costa Rica  
>Adam EisnerTucows Inc. 
>Adam Peake Glocom  Japan
>Adaobi Okeke   Nigerian Communications Commission  Nigeria
>Adebiyi OladipoNigeria Internet Registration Association (NIRA)
>Nigeria
>Adebunmi AkinboYoung Internet Professionals (YiPS)/(NiRA) dotNG
>Nigeria
>Adela Elena Danciu Fellowship  Romania
>Adrian CarballoSouth School On Internet Governance Argentina
>Adrian Garcia  ISOC Costa Rica Chapter Costa Rica
>Adrian KinderisARI Registry Services   Australia
>Adrián Pérez   CcssCosta Rica
>Adrián Quesada Rodríguez   Costa Rica
>Adrián Solano  Acoprot Costa Rica
>ADRIANA DIAZ   ICANN   Costa Rica
>Adriana González   Sulá Batsú  Costa Rica
>Adriana Rivero Lacnic  Uruguay
>Adriana Ulate  COSTA RICA
>AGARWAL SWAPNA .INDIA  India
>Ague Alain Ministry of agriculture Bénin
>Ahsan FahmiPakistan
>Aimee Deziel   Mad 
>Akewushola Adisa   Sanbak Communications CommissionNigeria
>Akinori MaemuraJPNIC   Japan
>Alain Artero   European Broadcasting Union France
>Alain BerrangerCentre d'étude et de coopération internationale 
>Canada
>Alain Bidron   France Telecom/ETNO France
>Alain Patrick Aina AFRIMIC Bénin
>Alan Barrett   AfriNIC / ASO-ACSouth Africa
>Alan Fernández Marín   Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
>Alan Fernández Marín   Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
>Alan Greenberg Alac/gnso   Canada
>Alan Gutierrez Att Bolivia
>Alberto Gomez  Red.es  España
>Alberto Medrano CáceresUniversidad NacionalCosta Rica
>Alejandra Castro   Arias & Muñoz   Costa Rica
>Alejandra Fernández BonillaTV Channel 15, University of Costa Rica
>   Costa Rica
>Alejandra Reynoso  Fellowship  Guatemala
>Alejandro Berrocal ValverdeViceministrerio Telecomunicaciones MINAET
>   Costa Rica
>Alejandro Cruz Ministro de CIencia y TecnologiaCosta Rica
>Alejandro Esquivel Rodriguez   Cisco Systems   Costa Rica
>Alejandro Guzman   ASO AC - LACNIC - GoogleColombia
>Alejandro Jimenez  Ice Costa Rica
>Alejandro Liz  Nic Do  Dominican Republic
>Alejandro Moscol   Fellow  PERÚ
>Alejandro Pisanty  ISOC Mexico Mexico
>Alejandro Portilla Navarro Radio Universidad de Costa Rica Costa 
>Rica
>Alejandro Rivera   ICE Costa Rica
>Alejandro SolisUnimer  Costa Rica
>Alex Blowers   Nominet United Kingdom
>Alex Mwangangi Municipal Council Of Mavoko KENYA
>Alex Siffrin   Key-Systems GmbH
>Alex StamosiSEC Partners   United States
>Alexa Raad Architelos  United States
>Alexander Alí  Costa Rica
>Alexander Flores   Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
>Alexander Mora CAMTIC  Costa Rica
>Alexander Mora Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
>Alexander Otárola  Omd Costa Rica
>Alexander PanovRu-Center   Russia
>Alexander RojasCoral Technologies  Costa Rica
>Alexander Salas Arce   Oficina Digital - CentroAmerica Hosting Costa 
>Rica
>Alexander Schubert dotgay LLC  USA
>Alexander Schwertner   EPAG Domainservices GmbHGermany
>Alexander SegerCouncil of Europe   France
>Alexis CotoColegio AgropecuarioCosta Rica
>Alexis SandovalIce Costa Rica
>Alfredo Lopez HernandezEnredo  Colombia
>Alfredo Pinochet   LatinTLD, Inc.  Chile
>Ali Asghar Ministry of I.C.T information technology organizat  
>Indonesia
>Alice HuangNet-Chinese Co., Ltd.   Taiwan
>Alice Jansen   Icann   Belgium
>Alice Munyua   Ministry of Information and Communications  Kenya
>Alicia AvendañoDigital Government, 

IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa Rica Meeting ?

2012-03-29 Thread Jim Fleming
IETF.Fact.Check IETF Participants that were also at ICANN Costa Rica Meeting ?

https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf83/attendance.py

http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/CR43/

Registration list as of: 03/29/2012
NAMEAFFILIATION COUNTRY
AARON STEWART   CLOUD VINE  United States
Aarón Quesada MéndezIce Costa Rica
Abdoul-Akim AdjibolaBenin Telecoms  BENIN
Abel Brenes University of Cosra RicaCosta Rica
ABELARDO FONSECALA NACIÒN   Costa Rica
Abiodun Olawale Reboot& Associates Ltd  
Abraham Araya   MMSoluciones Seguridad en Informatica   Costa Rica
Abraham Djekou  AtciCote d''Ivoire
Abraham Rodriguez   Agencia Datsun Nissan   Costa Rica
Acc Va Cac  Ac Ac   CR
Adalberto López NIC Costa Rica  
Adam Eisner Tucows Inc. 
Adam Peake  Glocom  Japan
Adaobi OkekeNigerian Communications Commission  Nigeria
Adebiyi Oladipo Nigeria Internet Registration Association (NIRA)
Nigeria
Adebunmi Akinbo Young Internet Professionals (YiPS)/(NiRA) dotNG
Nigeria
Adela Elena Danciu  Fellowship  Romania
Adrian Carballo South School On Internet Governance Argentina
Adrian Garcia   ISOC Costa Rica Chapter Costa Rica
Adrian Kinderis ARI Registry Services   Australia
Adrián PérezCcssCosta Rica
Adrián Quesada RodríguezCosta Rica
Adrián Solano   Acoprot Costa Rica
ADRIANA DIAZICANN   Costa Rica
Adriana GonzálezSulá Batsú  Costa Rica
Adriana Rivero  Lacnic  Uruguay
Adriana Ulate   COSTA RICA
AGARWAL SWAPNA  .INDIA  India
Ague Alain  Ministry of agriculture Bénin
Ahsan Fahmi Pakistan
Aimee DezielMad 
Akewushola AdisaSanbak Communications CommissionNigeria
Akinori Maemura JPNIC   Japan
Alain ArteroEuropean Broadcasting Union France
Alain Berranger Centre d'étude et de coopération internationale 
Canada
Alain BidronFrance Telecom/ETNO France
Alain Patrick Aina  AFRIMIC Bénin
Alan BarrettAfriNIC / ASO-ACSouth Africa
Alan Fernández MarínUniversidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
Alan Fernández MarínUniversidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
Alan Greenberg  Alac/gnso   Canada
Alan Gutierrez  Att Bolivia
Alberto Gomez   Red.es  España
Alberto Medrano Cáceres Universidad NacionalCosta Rica
Alejandra CastroArias & Muñoz   Costa Rica
Alejandra Fernández Bonilla TV Channel 15, University of Costa Rica 
Costa Rica
Alejandra Reynoso   Fellowship  Guatemala
Alejandro Berrocal Valverde Viceministrerio Telecomunicaciones MINAET
Costa Rica
Alejandro Cruz  Ministro de CIencia y TecnologiaCosta Rica
Alejandro Esquivel RodriguezCisco Systems   Costa Rica
Alejandro GuzmanASO AC - LACNIC - GoogleColombia
Alejandro Jimenez   Ice Costa Rica
Alejandro Liz   Nic Do  Dominican Republic
Alejandro MoscolFellow  PERÚ
Alejandro Pisanty   ISOC Mexico Mexico
Alejandro Portilla Navarro  Radio Universidad de Costa Rica Costa 
Rica
Alejandro RiveraICE Costa Rica
Alejandro Solis Unimer  Costa Rica
Alex BlowersNominet United Kingdom
Alex Mwangangi  Municipal Council Of Mavoko KENYA
Alex SiffrinKey-Systems GmbH
Alex Stamos iSEC Partners   United States
Alexa Raad  Architelos  United States
Alexander Alí   Costa Rica
Alexander FloresUniversidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
Alexander Mora  CAMTIC  Costa Rica
Alexander Mora  Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
Alexander Otárola   Omd Costa Rica
Alexander Panov Ru-Center   Russia
Alexander Rojas Coral Technologies  Costa Rica
Alexander Salas ArceOficina Digital - CentroAmerica Hosting Costa 
Rica
Alexander Schubert  dotgay LLC  USA
Alexander SchwertnerEPAG Domainservices GmbHGermany
Alexander Seger Council of Europe   France
Alexis Coto Colegio AgropecuarioCosta Rica
Alexis Sandoval Ice Costa Rica
Alfredo Lopez Hernandez Enredo  Colombia
Alfredo PinochetLatinTLD, Inc.  Chile
Ali Asghar  Ministry of I.C.T information technology organizat  
Indonesia
Alice Huang Net-Chinese Co., Ltd.   Taiwan
Alice JansenIcann   Belgium
Alice MunyuaMinistry of Information and Communications  Kenya
Alicia Avendaño Digital Government, Costa Rica  Costa Rica
Alicia Paz  Rds-Hn  HONDURAS
Alina Syunkova  Icann   USA
Aline Valerie AssakoNATIONAL AGENCY FOR ICT's   CAMEROON
Alissa Sekulic  TANGO Registry Services ®   Germany
Allan Bermúdez Carvajal Ice Costa Rica
Allan Campos Gallo  Universidad de Costa Rica   Costa Rica
Allan Perez colegio de abogados CR  Costa Rica
Alvaro ArayaLightmaster Dev Costa Rica
Alvaro Hernandez 

Re: ZOOM://IETF.Fact.Check "Improving HTTP starts with speed."

2012-03-29 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Ack. 

On Mar 29, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Fred Baker wrote:

> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> 
>> From the way you have posted your messages so far it seems likely that you 
>> do not able to develop a consistent story.
> 
> Please don't feed the troll.



Re: ZOOM://IETF.Fact.Check "Improving HTTP starts with speed."

2012-03-29 Thread Fred Baker

On Mar 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:

> From the way you have posted your messages so far it seems likely that you do 
> not able to develop a consistent story.

Please don't feed the troll.

Re: ZOOM://IETF.Fact.Check "Improving HTTP starts with speed."

2012-03-29 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi Jim, 

it is tempting to write a short mail with some random thoughts about various 
protocols design aspects. Everyone can do that. 
That will not get you anywhere. 

If you want to be understood by others then you have to 
* write a draft with a consistent story, and
* convince others that it is a good idea. 

From the way you have posted your messages so far it seems likely that you do 
not able to develop a consistent story.

Sorry to say that. 

Ciao
Hannes

On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:37 AM, Jim Fleming wrote:

> ZOOM://IETF.Fact.Check
> 
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-montenegro-httpbis-speed-mobility-00
> 
> "Improving HTTP starts with speed."
> 
> Improving the Inter.NET starts with speed.
> 
> "HTTP Speed+Mobility,"
> 
> Locator-ID Separation ?
> Locator (60) + ID (68)
> 60-bit Symmetric Addressing in the IPv4 160-bit Header
> 68-bit Symmetric Addressing in the IPv16 320-bit Header with Data
>  DNS ~ 60+68 ~ VRHL+000.T1.111+PORT12+ASN30+FRAG6 + LAN4+60+CPE4
> 
> "The proposal starts from both the Google SPDY protocol and the work
> the IETF has done around WebSockets."
> If you start with a HAMMER everything may look like a NAIL.
> 
> Improving the Inter.NET starts with speed.
> A Comprehensive (Modern) Architecture may be better than the old
> Hammer and Nails?
> 
> Removing TCP may help.
> Re-Tooling UDP for Peer-2-Peer may help.
> [The 12-bit Port value also rides in the old Identification Field in
> the IP Header - are three copies needed?]
> 2 Protocol Bits frees up 6 bits for addressing
> 4 TTL Bits encourages less hops and frees up addressing bits
> Less.is.More may result in Speed
> 
> IPv6 is not built for Speed - Yet people sure are trying to sell it -
> Do consumers want it ?
> 
> They may prefer a Net.Work as opposed to a Not.Work
> 
> ZOOM://IETF.Fact.Check "Improving HTTP starts with speed."