Re: The XML page cannot be displayed
On May 20, 2011, at 2:11 PM, t.petch wrote: System does not support the specified encoding. hello Describe a system is allways helpfull when asking for help or reproducing an error. Page Works with firefox 4.0 on mac/osx and PC/XP service pack 3 regards Marc -- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey- Vogelsangerstrasse 97 50823 Köln - Germany Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 blog: http://let.de project : http://opencu.org twitter: http://twitter.com/macbroadcast/ facebook : http://opencu.tk Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Call for a Jasmine Revolution in the IETF: Privacy, Integrity, Obscurity
, and subvert. And the Internet will not be the mechanism for peaceful economic expansion, prosperity, and interpersonal communication that it could be. Much, I think, can be judged about respondents to this manifesto by the nature of their response. Many will quite reasonably say This is hard to do. I agree; we can't expect immediate perfect answers, just as we know we've never been able to get perfect answers to most any security question, we know we will never produce perfect solutions for these issues. Others will say that these goals are undesirable. I suspect that these individuals are either proprietors of deep-packet-inspection tools, thieves, or accessories to the overbearing governments who employ and enable the afore-mentioned classes of miscreant. Others may agree wholeheartedly, but flinch at the political repercussions. To them, I say: Step up. No good deed goes unpunished, but at least the goal is worthwhile. And it's probably safer than standing in front of a tank or a camel-cavalry charge, although less likely to get you remembered. Yet others may ask why this proposal is made now, rather than the first of next month. To them, I say that timing is everything. There is two other interesting efforts in this direction. The first one is Douglas Rushkoff call to fork the Internet: http://www.shareable.net/blog/the-next-net Another, more concrete, one is Eben Moglen's Freedom Box Foundation: http://www.freedomboxfoundation.org/ I any case, may I suggest a Bar BOF in Prague? Plotting revolutions in coffeehouses is a very old tradition. exellent suggestions marc, i just downloaded offload I would suggest any interested person to join http://lists.zooko.com/pipermail/p2p-hackers/2011-February/thread.html and http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss because there was a very interested discussion about this topic lately regards and nice weekend Marc - -- Marc Petit-Huguenin Personal email: m...@petit-huguenin.org Professional email: petit...@acm.org Blog: http://blog.marc.petit-huguenin.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk1zrcwACgkQ9RoMZyVa61fpVwCfdWEon6KCA7y9rqIhnWoQ4GhB YpEAoKkHHcTH3GKduSOKl3W2hK7FJdRF =o/mR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf -- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey- Vogelsangerstrasse 97 50823 Köln - Germany Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 blog: http://let.de project : http://opencu.org twitter: http://twitter.com/macbroadcast/ facebook : http://opencu.tk Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org
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Everybody wants it but nobody does it....
welcome friends of remote partizipating and to all IETF members in bejing whats new in the remote partizipants / multiconferencing world ? Google aquired marratech a few years ago [ 1 ] , cisco aquired webex , [ 2 ] paltalk aquired camfrog [ 3 ] Adobe unveils Connect 8 Web and videconferencing tool set [ 4 ], Xcast is there but very quiet [ 5 ] VP8 a fantastic codec is there, its opensource [ 6 ] Nokia bought Trolltech and its opensource now [ 7 ] #Ipv6 is on the way, will there be ipv6 multicast ? Who wants to pay 70.000 $ per year for webex, who wants to pay 40.000 $ per year for a so called opensource multiconferencing like DIMDIM ? Who wants to pay 1295 $ per month for a paltalk room ? So there is still no cool functioning opensource multi - conferencing out there for the masses after 10 years . ! We´ve made a little feature list about what we think , what might be cool. Feel free to edit the document without registration and tell us what you think is necessary and required to make it a step ahead http://on.let.de/aWfo0M I am looking forward for some comments and insights about why only cisco/ polycom/ tandberg / radvision tells us that Video/ multiconferencing at home will be the next BIG thing. regards and warm greetings from germany Marc Manthey [ 1 ] http://techcrunch.com/2007/04/20/google-acquires-marratech-gets-into-webex-territory/ [ 2 ] http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2007/corp_031507b.html [ 3 ] http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Paltalk-Acquires-Video-Chat-Provider-Camfrog-1338260.htm [ 4 ] http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9194239/Adobe_unveils_Connect_8_Web_and_videconferencing_tool_set?taxonomyId=16 [ 5 ] http://www.xcast.jp/ [ 6 ] http://www.webmproject.org/ [ 7 ] http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/01/nokia-buys-trolltech-will-become-a-patron-of-kde.ars -- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey- Vogelsangerstrasse 97 50823 Köln - Germany Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 blog: http://let.de project : http://opencu.org twitter: http://twitter.com/macbroadcast/ facebook : http://opencu.tk Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Am 03.08.2009 um 11:09 schrieb Dave Cridland: And you might also do that by simply buying the shirt. sorry that i am asking again , where ? Marc -- Les Enfants Terribles - WWW.LET.DE Marc Manthey 50823 Köln - Germany Vogelsangerstr. 97 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 mail: m...@let.de jabber :m...@kgraff.net IRC: #opencu freenode.net PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d twitter: http://twitter.com/macbroadcast web: http://www.let.de___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Am 03.08.2009 um 16:45 schrieb Johnny Eriksson: Theodore Tso ty...@mit.edu wrote: The T-shirt I'd really like to get a reprint of is the Story of the Mighty Vasa --- Another Failure of the Seven Layer Model T-shirt --- which I think was an IETF shirt, but am not completely certain. If you mean the Mighty Vasa Sinks on Maiden Voyage one, with the final text under the main text/pictures reading Another failed project based upon a Seven Layer Model, it is a Bunyip T-shirt, not an IETF one. *lol* still there http://lipas.uwasa.fi/comm/cmc/cusm/ cheers - Ted --Johnny ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
Am 01.08.2009 um 06:40 schrieb James M. Polk: This is a cool design, I agree. hello, i cant see any shirt or a link to a shirt in the text , but where can i get one ? regards Marc -- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey Vogelsangerstrasse 97 D - 50823 Köln - Germany Vogelsangerstrasse 97 Geo: 50.945554, 6.920293 PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 web : http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
OT : Skype may shut down as eBay battles founders
hey folks, sorry for my offtopic spam check this: http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=844226 i cant believe at the end closed source eats itself *pmpl* regards MarcM -- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey Vogelsangerstrasse 97 D - 50823 Köln - Germany Vogelsangerstrasse 97 Geo: 50.945554, 6.920293 PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 web : http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
OT: IPv6 deployment monitor
sorry for spamming the list Last day today --- All Europeans, go fill in the IPv6 deployment monitor questionnaire: http://bit.ly/3ZxhX sorry for the noise cu http://twitter.com/macbroadcast/ -- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey Vogelsangerstrasse 97 D - 50823 Köln - Germany Vogelsangerstrasse 97 Geo: 50.945554, 6.920293 PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 web : http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
OT: Anti Filtering software فیلت ر شکن for the iranian people
hello all, sorry for my offtopic post a friend and developer wrote an ANTIFILTER software in the past two weeks for the iranian people http://nofilter.isgreat.org/ SPREAD THE WORD !!! regards marc P.S. if you have fast internet connection and like to share get in contact with him via the website -- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey Vogelsangerstrasse 97 D - 50823 Köln - Germany Vogelsangerstrasse 97 Geo: 50.945554, 6.920293 PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 web : http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: DNSSEC is NOT secure end to end
So, there is no point to deploy DNSSEC. no ? http://jprs.co.jp/en/topics/081125.html regards Marc -- Les enfants teribbles - research / deployment Marc Manthey Vogelsangerstrasse 97 D - 50823 Köln - Germany Vogelsangerstrasse 97 Geo: 50.945554, 6.920293 PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d Tel.:0049-221-29891489 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 web : http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: The Great Naming Debate (was Re: The internet architecture)
I absolutly agree with brians posting and recomment all people reading this paper , IMHO, it solves some known problems , even when they don´t exist in real world yet . ;) http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/papers/uia:osdi06.pdf (e.g., via DNS-based load balancers that take end-to-end IP reachability information as input), this would take us beyound round robin indeed. cheers Marc -- Les Enfants Terribles - WWW.LET.DE Marc Manthey 50672 Köln - Germany Hildeboldplatz 1a Tel.:0049-221-3558032 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 mail: m...@let.de PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d jabber :m...@kgraff.net IRC: #opencu freenode.net twitter: http://twitter.com/macbroadcast web: http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: The internet architecture
Am 08.12.2008 um 10:11 schrieb Stephane Bortzmeyer: On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 08:03:45AM +0100, Marc Manthey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 87 lines which said: On Linux (at least on Debian), you need the mDNSResponder package provided by Apple on the Bonjour downloads page. Unfortunately, Avahi doesn't yet implement all of the API functions UIA needs. And it is a proprietary protocol, anyway. who told you that ? http://www.ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2004/msg00087.html some references http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-cheshire-dnsext-nbp.txt http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-sekar-dns-llq.txt http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-sekar-dns-ul.txt http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-cheshire-nat-pmp.txt Marc -- Les Enfants Terribles - WWW.LET.DE Marc Manthey 50672 Köln - Germany Hildeboldplatz 1a Tel.:0049-221-3558032 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: #opencu freenode.net twitter: http://twitter.com/macbroadcast web: http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: The internet architecture
Am 05.12.2008 um 11:25 schrieb Rémi Després: Christian Vogt - le (m/j/a) 12/4/08 10:26 AM: In any case, your comment is useful input, as it shows that calling the proposed stack architecture in [1] hostname-oriented may be wrong. Calling it service-name-oriented -- or simply name-oriented -- may be more appropriate. Thanks for the input. Full support for the idea of a *name-oriented architecture*. In it, the locator-identifier separation principle applies naturally: names are the identifiers; addresses, or addresses plus ports, are the locators. Address plus port locators are tneeded to reach applications in hosts that have to share their IPv4 address with other hosts ( e.g. behind a NAT with configured port-forwarding.) *Service-names* are the existing tool to advertise address plus port locators, and and to permit efficient multihoming because, in *SRV records* which are returned by the DNS to service-name queries: - several locators can be received for one name, possibly with a mix of IPv4 and IPv6 - locators can include port numbers - priority and weight parameters of locators provide for backup and load sharing control. IMO, service names and SRV records SHOULD be supported asap in all resolvers (in addition to host names and A/ records that they support today). Any view on this? hello Rémi, i totally agree with you in all points, from my perspective , there is no sufficent support for identifying and signing tools, like DNS TSIG whitch will be from by apples wide area bonjour http://www.dns-sd.org/ServerSetup.html I was following a interesting software project , BUT quote : On Linux (at least on Debian), you need the mDNSResponder package provided by Apple on the Bonjour downloads page. Unfortunately, Avahi doesn't yet implement all of the API functions UIA needs. --- So sahred secret http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2845.txt are not implemented into avahi for wide area distribiution since 2 years. And Novell / SUSE seems to have no interest aswell. just my 50 cents regards Marc -- Marc Manthey 50672 Köln - Germany Hildeboldplatz 1a Tel.:0049-221-3558032 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: #opencu freenode.net twitter: http://twitter.com/macbroadcast web: http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: The internet architecture
In fact it would be best for the O/S to provide an API which hides the details of the IP address from the application entirely in the same way that the ethernet MAC address is hidden. I agree and some people are working on it: Towards A Hostname-Oriented Network Protocol Stack for Flexible Addressing in a Dynamic Internet http://users.piuha.net/chvogt/pub/2008/vogt-2008-hostname-oriented-stack.pdf that's pretty interesting too Unmanaged Internet Architecture http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/uia/ regards Marc -- Marc Manthey 50672 Köln - Germany Hildeboldplatz 1a Tel.:0049-221-3558032 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: #opencu freenode.net twitter: http://twitter.com/macbroadcast web: http://www.let.de Opinions expressed may not even be mine by the time you read them, and certainly don't reflect those of any other entity (legal or otherwise). Please note that according to the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Last Call: draft-cheshire-dnsext-dns-sd (DNS-Based Service Discovery) to Informational RFC
Am 20.11.2008 um 00:02 schrieb Chris Newman: --On November 4, 2008 6:28:19 -0800 The IESG iesg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'DNS-Based Service Discovery ' draft-cheshire-dnsext-dns-sd-05.txt as an Informational RFC end user, I strongly support publication of this document, hello all, if this is the question , i would recomend that as an end- user too , just currious that mr. cheshire does not respond;) What is the title of the registry that will be listed on IANA's web page? Do you believe it would be possible to merge the new service registry with this one: http://www.iana.org/assignments/gssapi-service-names creating a single service-name registry shared by these protocols? have a great day Marc -- Marc Manthey Hildeboldplatz 1a D - 50672 Köln - Germany Tel.:0049-221-3558032 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 web : http://www.let.de PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to application developers
Am 22.11.2008 um 06:07 schrieb Fred Baker: On Nov 21, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Tony Hain wrote: The discussion today in Behave shows there is very strong peer- pressure group-think with no serious analysis of the long term implications about what is being discussed. Yes, there is a very clear anti-NAT religion that drives a lot of thought. It's not clear that any other opinion is tolerated. But if we had enough ipv4 adresses in the 90th, we would not even consider talking about it. sorry just my 50 cents regards Marc -- web : http://www.let.de PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org
Am 21.11.2008 um 06:56 schrieb Adrian Farrel: Something to aspire to. Get on the list, but be at the bottom. 0.62% |1 | 0.37% | 4035 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] hey adrian take it easy , most people don´t even know what MPLS is ;) time will come have a great day Marc -- Reality is what, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. Failure is not an option. It is a privilege reserved for those who try. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Plenary Online Experiment
Am 19.11.2008 um 21:48 schrieb IETF Chair: 1. Dial into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Access Numbers at http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html Hello ? http://www.dimdim.com does the same and is opensource thanks Marc -- If you're not confused, You're not paying attention Les enfants teribbles - research and deployment Marc Manthey - head of research and innovation Hildeboldplatz 1a D - 50672 Köln - Germany Tel.:0049-221-3558032 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] blog : http://www.let.de ipv6 http://stattfernsehen.com xing : https://www.xing.com/profile/Marc_Manthey ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Plenary Online Experiment
Am 19.11.2008 um 23:47 schrieb Marshall Eubanks: Are you volunteering to set this up next time ? I think that such an offer would be gladly accepted. as you know i am a flash_hater ;) but seriously I ´ve meet a very talented motivated young C ++ programmer and we started implementing our_own_crossplattform _opensource_software_project. Its in a very early stage but hopefully at the 74 meeting we could have something in our hands. Would it be possible when we give it to the IETF , that we get an invitation for attending to the next meeting when we would make a presentation out of it ? regards Marc -- web : http://dev.let.de PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Marshall http://www.dimdim.com does the same and is opensource ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Plenary Online Experiment
Am 20.11.2008 um 00:14 schrieb Marshall Eubanks: On Nov 19, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Marc Manthey wrote: Am 19.11.2008 um 23:47 schrieb Marshall Eubanks: Are you volunteering to set this up next time ? I think that such an offer would be gladly accepted. as you know i am a flash_hater ;) but seriously I ´ve meet a very talented motivated young C ++ programmer and we started implementing our_own_crossplattform _opensource_software_project. Its in a very early stage but hopefully at the 74 meeting we could have something in our hands. There have been a number of lists circulating of various sorts of audio / video / data conferencing and collaborating technologies that we might consider. I think that a BOF on this topic in San Francisco, with support of multiple protocols as a test, might be very useful here. 1. ) we are on the other side of the world, 2. ) we look like terrorists ;) 3. ) we dont like aiplanes that much, ( thats the reason why we like to accomplish something like this by the way ; )) Is there any specific lists that i migh join to get information about votings or pro and cons for a specific system thats the IEFT might choose , so i could catch up and we could improve things while we work on it. Guess i will use the jabber / streaming stuff anyway to get informed greetings marc Regards Would it be possible when we give it to the IETF , that we get an invitation for attending to the next meeting when we would make a presentation out of it ? regards Marc -- web : http://dev.let.de PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Marshall http://www.dimdim.com does the same and is opensource ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Plenary Online Experiment
Am 20.11.2008 um 00:43 schrieb Brian E Carpenter: Guess i will use the jabber / streaming stuff anyway to get informed As long as people upload their slides to the meeting materials page, I find this works very well. But I think the idea of experimenting with a variety of more recent tools is a good one. yes deffinitly i was looking at http://farsight.freedesktop.org/apidoc/farsight2/ aswell , but there is several discussion , because its a bit blown up An opensource_skype_alternative is on the FSF TOP priority list aswell !! http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html#skypereplacement and this is worth to have a look at too http://sip-communicator.org/ greetings Marc ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Plenary Online Experiment
Am 19.11.2008 um 21:48 schrieb IETF Chair: --- To join the online meeting --- 1. Go to https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=110978912UID=0PW=0e56c038797c65750507 dear chairs, i would recoment using the up to date techniques to annouce future meetings, http://twitter.com/ieft is available see how much people you can reach here http://twitter.com/BarackObama To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft Outlook), click this link: https//ciscosaes regards Marc ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Plenary Online Experiment
Am 20.11.2008 um 06:30 schrieb Marc Manthey: Am 19.11.2008 um 21:48 schrieb IETF Chair: --- To join the online meeting --- 1. Go to https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=110978912UID=0PW=0e56c038797c65750507 dear chairs, i would recoment using the up to date techniques to annouce future meetings, http://twitter.com/ieft is available ops sorry stupid typo, had no coffee :( account created http://twitter.com/IETF and password send to ietf@ietf.org regards Marc ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for 2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
Am 18.11.2008 um 16:59 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I believe our US government would like to grant visas to as many people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend a meeting in the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can imagine there will be 100 million visa applications for the IETF meeting in CA next year alone. excuse me why always 100 million ? is this the amount of people who voted for obama ? ;) wish i could attend and meet you all , great people. may the force be with us sincerly macbroadcast P.S. i am looking forward to hear such a great song the day the routers died again ;) 在您的来信中曾经提到: -- Development is when you know the answer, but not how to get there. Applied research is when you know the question, but not the answer. Pure research is when you don't know the question. web : http://www.let.de PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- advertising for german readers only: http://www.verfassungsreferendum.de/index2.php ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IPv6 traffic stats
Am 11.11.2008 um 22:34 schrieb Harald Alvestrand: 8% - only Russia, Ukraine and France have more than 0.5% IPv6. Presentation available from http://rosie.ripe.net/presentations-detail/Thursday/Plenary%2014:00/index.html . wow , i am impressed 0.76% , so russia has more overall ipv6 traffic then the entire .u.s.a. Guess this realy need to be changed !!! Germany is not even on the list :( regards marc -- Imagination is more important than Knowledge. web : http://www.let.de -- YES WE CAN --- http://isobamapresident.com PGP/GnuPG: 0x1ac02f3296b12b4d jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: a modern-day SNMP use
Am 24.10.2008 um 20:14 schrieb Peter Dambier: David W. Hankins wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:41:49AM -0700, Randy Presuhn wrote: All very good reasons why doing blind, single-variable MIB walks makes no sense. Are there any commercial products that do this routinely? I'm not aware of any. Adding to David, IASON originally did a lot with SNMP, because of catalysts :) We used Open Source snmpwalk because that was the easiest way to go. When we added boxes and MIBs we got into trouble and out of memory. As David observed, SNMP used to be slow and consumed a lot of cpu on both the monitor and the monitored boxes. We dropped SNMP finally when we moved away from the catalysts. IASON never went commercial but is in the Open Source now and still very pre beta. hello peter and karin if you add me [ 1 ] to your developer list on sourceforge [ 2 ] with the right privileges i would like to add the documentation from iason [ 3 ] to your sourceforge site and commit the latest source, i´ve learned a bit in the past days about CVN and i would like to assist in my spare time. ;) greetings from cologne to Moerlenbach Marc [ 1 ] https://sourceforge.net/users/manthey08/ [ 2 ] https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ [ 3 ] http://iason.site.voila.fr/Iason/ -- In a world without walls or fences, who needs Windows and Gates? Les enfants teribbles - research and deployment Marc Manthey - head of research and innovation Hildeboldplatz 1a D - 50672 Köln - Germany Tel.:0049-221-3558032 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] blog : http://www.let.de ipv6 http://stattfernsehen.com xing : https://www.xing.com/profile/Marc_Manthey ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
NATs necessary for IPv6, says IETF chair
morning all, i was a bit confused after i read this 2 articles NAT gets added to IPv6 after all http://www.techworld.com/networking/features/index.cfm?featureid=4167pagtype=all NATs necessary for IPv6, says IETF chair http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/072109-nat-housley-qna.html i am afraid that after 10 Years of NAT that it will survive and itojun would turn into his grave. http://ipv6samurais.com/ipv6samurais/demystified/nat-problem.html just my 2 cents greetings Marc -- Les enfants teribbles - research and deployment Marc Manthey - head of research and innovation Hildeboldplatz 1a D - 50672 Köln - Germany Tel.:0049-221-3558032 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] blog : http://www.let.de ipv6 http://stattfernsehen.com xing : https://www.xing.com/profile/Marc_Manthey ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Friday for IETF 73
hello experts just a question , why not use http://www.accessgrid.org/ you could save a lot of CO2 ;) just my 2 cents regards Marc Teleconferencing, in this context, includes any communications vehicle that enables participants to meet without having to travel, -- Les enfants teribbles - research and deployment Marc Manthey - head of research and innovation Hildeboldplatz 1a D - 50672 Köln - Germany Tel.:0049-221-3558032 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] blog : http://www.let.de ipv6 http://stattfernsehen.com xing : https://www.xing.com/profile/Marc_Manthey___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Friday for IETF 73
Am 24.07.2008 um 14:52 schrieb Marshall Eubanks: On Jul 24, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Marc Manthey wrote: hello experts just a question , why not use http://www.accessgrid.org/ you could save a lot of CO2 ;) Accessgrid in my experience requires some work to set up and use (and troubleshoot). hello Marshall, thanks for your response , from my perspective , accessgrid run without trouble on osx , just installed it from binary and it uses opensource ( jabber ) and free resources like vic and rat and is available for Windows aswell. There is continue developing , even h264 is available now http://mediatools.cs.ucl.ac.uk/nets/mmedia/ There is no question that it could be useful - so could be VRVS / EVO and their commercial analogues such as Marratech, marratech was aquired by google in 2005 , so i guess its not available anymore ( was java by the way and a bit slow ) AFAIK , VRVS / EVO is not available for PC UMeeting and Team Speak, or even Telepresence of the Cisco or Polycom RPX varieties. Dont know Umeeting but Teamspeak is not open source aswell and does not support video and this would be helpful for presenting slides in a venue I would recommend that we actually study and evaluate the choices available, +1 i think it would be a great improvement for developers / attendies from third world countrys or people that cant afford traveling to the meeting. regards have a nice day Marc Regards Marshall just my 2 cents regards Marc Teleconferencing, in this context, includes any communications vehicle that enables participants to meet without having to travel, -- Les enfants teribbles - research and deployment Marc Manthey - head of research and innovation Hildeboldplatz 1a D - 50672 Köln - Germany Tel.:0049-221-3558032 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] blog : http://www.let.de ipv6 http://stattfernsehen.com xing : https://www.xing.com/profile/Marc_Manthey ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Friday for IETF 73
Am 24.07.2008 um 16:04 schrieb Marshall Eubanks: Hello Marc; On Jul 24, 2008, at 9:18 AM, Marc Manthey wrote: Am 24.07.2008 um 14:52 schrieb Marshall Eubanks: On Jul 24, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Marc Manthey wrote: hello experts just a question , why not use http://www.accessgrid.org/ you could save a lot of CO2 ;) Accessgrid in my experience requires some work to set up and use (and troubleshoot). hello Marshall, thanks for your response , from my perspective , accessgrid run without trouble on osx , just installed it from binary and it uses opensource ( jabber ) and free resources like vic and rat and is available for Windows aswell. There is continue developing , even h264 is available now http://mediatools.cs.ucl.ac.uk/nets/mmedia/ I am not sure why being acquired by Google makes it unusable for us, or if being open-source is a requirement or even a SHOULD. gday again sorry i thought IEFT SHOULD use non - patented and propietairy technologie.like jaber for i.e. But that's why there is a consensus process here. i am looking forward to see / hear results ;) regards Marc Regards Marshall AFAIK , VRVS / EVO is not available for PC UMeeting and Team Speak, or even Telepresence of the Cisco or Polycom RPX varieties. Dont know Umeeting but Teamspeak is not open source aswell and does not support video and this would be helpful for presenting slides in a venue I would recommend that we actually study and evaluate the choices available, +1 i think it would be a great improvement for developers / attendies from third world countrys or people that cant afford traveling to the meeting. Teleconferencing, in this context, includes any communications vehicle that enables participants to meet without having to travel, ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Teleconf [Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Friday for IETF 73]
Am 24.07.2008 um 23:13 schrieb Brian E Carpenter: it's the extreme difficulty of running an effective remote meeting with more than a very small number (4 or 5) of participating sites. So for a design team meeting it's fine, but for a WG meeting I think you'd be quite disappointed. thanks for your clarification brian, i will see if i can get some more information from the developers regarding this issue. Recently i found 2 other interesting projects : xcast About number of participants, logical limit is 126. It's because of number of IPv6 address emmbed in one routing option header of IPv6 with other info. But when we cannot emmbed 126 when using ordinal Ethernet, 1500 MTU. With 1024 octet payload with RTP/UDP header, we can specify 14 participants in one IPv6 datagram with 1500 octet Ether datagram. You can increase participants by reducing payload size. We did video meetings with participants upto 16 approximately. http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ooms-xcast-basic-spec-12.txt http://www.xcast.jp/index.php/Main_Page and telepathy , whitch is in a early alpha phase http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Streamed%20Media Brian regards Marc ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: experiments in the ietf week
Umm... At this time, most IETF mailing lists are hosted on mail.ietf.org a.k.a. www.ietf.org, which is IPv6 enabled. (The numbers I have for active WGs are that 90 out of 120 lists are hosted on ietf.org). I can't really reconcile that with your statement above. Could you expand on your thoughts in this respect? IETF discussion list (and several others): Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::20]) v6ops list: Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) This is excellent progress since the last time I checked somewhere last year, which was the basis for my statement. hello ipv6 peoples, sorry for crossposting how can i use ipv6 from my machine ? using leopard 10.5.2. mail ? my endpoint is 2001:6f8:1051:0:20d:93ff:fe79:f1e thought its automatic :-P thanks marc -- Wer also allgemeine Aufklärung verbreitet, verschafft zugleich eben dadurch allgemeine wechselseitige Sicherheit, und allgemeine Aufklärung und Sicherheit machen Fürsten und Staaten entbehrlich. Oder wozu braucht man sie sodann? Marc Manthey - Hildeboldplatz 1a D - 50672 Köln - Germany Tel.:0049-221-3558032 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 jabber :[EMAIL PROTECTED] blog : http://www.let.de ipv6 http://www.stattfernsehen.com/matrix ___ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Jabber server down? Contact for Jabber server onsite at IETF71?
I've been Jabber scribe for MMUSIC but jabber.ietf.org seems to be down now. hello , should this link work when you have the correct mime types set to your client ? xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ietf.org/meetings/text_conf.html cheers Marc -- Quid tacet, consentire videtur. - Wer schweigt, scheint zuzustimmen. Marc Manthey - Hildeboldplatz 1a D - 50672 Köln - Germany Tel.:0049-221-3558032 Mobil:0049-1577-3329231 jabber : [EMAIL PROTECTED] blog: http://www.let.de .local https://stattfernsehen.com ___ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Deployment Cases
On Dec 23, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Rémi Després wrote: Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote : *Problem*: We have a lot of specifications that work fine, but have not seen deployment That's coming. See: http://www.telecompaper.com/news/article.aspx?id=196198 And, if you read French: http://www.freeplayer.org/viewtopic.php?p=55711#55711 hello Rémi thanks for the pointer, found them on the native ipv6 pops site at sixxs.net http://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=native Proxad / Free SAS DSL 6to4rd IPv6 Press Release An I-D on the (new) technique used for this rapid and actual deployment is being worked on. It should comme soon (after holidays). i see they use 6to4rd technologie so its a gateway ? You know any english details , is that what you talking about ? THANKS!!! merry christmas marc Regards. Rémi Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. Albert Einstein web: http://www.let.de Fingerprint=0x40dec07168d2e810 PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Fwd: Africa and IPv6
hello everybody, a few days before someone posted this http:// wirelessafrica.meraka.org.za/wiki/index.php/DIY_Mesh_Guide#Download its a nice and simple .pdf howto about meshnetworks , isnt this another great idea to prevent loss of copper cable and step forward with networking in africa ? Regards Marc http://www.afrinic.net/statistics/ipv6_resources.htm -- Development is when you know the answer, but not how to get there. Applied research is when you know the question, but not the answer. Pure research is when you don't know the question. web: http://www.let.de ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: NAT+PT for IPv6 Transition Operator Feedback generally
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat- pt-00.txt just cached ? or is it pre expired ;) ? http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:vYqujmV-6qcJ:www.ietf.org/ internet-drafts/draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-00.txt+draft-van- beijnum-modified-nat-pt-00.txthl=dect=clnkcd=1gl=declient=firefox-a cheers Marc One must act on what has not yet happened. --Lao Tzu web: http://www.let.de http://piratenpartei-koeln.de ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Musical commentary from the RIPE meeting
A long long time ago i can still remeber when my labtop could connect elswhere and i tell you all there was a day the network card i threw away had a purpose - and worked for you and me But 18 years complety wasted with each adress we´ve aggregated the tables overflowing the traffic just stopped flowing And now we´re bearing all the scars and all the traceroutes showing stars the packets would travel faster in cars... the day... the routers died - Chorus ( ALL ) So bye bye , folks at RIPE 55 be persuaded zo upgrade it or your network will die Ipv6 just makes me let out a sight But i spose we´d better give it a try I suppose we´d better give it a try - Now did you write an RFC That dictated how we all should be Did we listen like we should that day Now were you back at RIPE fifty-four Where we heard the same things month before And people knew they´d have to change their ways... And we - knew that all ISPs Could be - future proof for centuries But that was then not now Spend too much time playing WOW ooh there was time we sat on IRC making jokes on how this day would be Now there´s no more use for TCP they day the routers died - Chorus ( chime in now ) So bye bye , folks at RIPE 55 be persuaded zo upgrade it or your network will die Ipv6 just makes me let out a sight But i spose we´d better give it a try I suppose we´d better give it a try - i remember those old days i mourn Sitting in my room , downloading porn Yeah that´s how it used to be... When the packets flowed from A to B via routers that could talk IP there was data... that could be exchanged between you and me... Oh but- i could see you all ignore The fact - we´d fill up IPv4 But we all lost the nerve And we goz what we deserved ! And while... we threw our network kit away And wished we´d heard the things they say Put all our lives in disarray the day ... the routers died - Chorus ( those silent will be shot ) So bye bye , folks at RIPE 55 be persuaded zo upgrade it or your network will die Ipv6 just makes me let out a sight But i spose we´d better give it a try I suppose we´d better give it a try - Saw a man with whom i used to peer Asked him to rescue my career He just sighed and turned away I went down to the net cafe that I used to visit everyday But the man there said i might as well just leave And now we´ve all lost our purpose my cisco shares completely worthless No future meetings for me At Hotel Krasnapolsky and me that make us push and push Like Geoff Huston and Rady Bush Should´ve listened to what they told us The day... the routers. died - Chorus ( time to loose your voice ) So bye bye , folks at RIPE 55 be persuaded zo upgrade it or your network will die Ipv6 just makes me let out a sight But i spose we´d better give it a try I suppose we´d better give it a try - cheers Marc -- They said it couldn't be done but sometimes it doesn't work out that way. - Casey Stengel web: http://www.let.de READY FOR A CHANGE http://int.piratenpartei.de/List_of_Pirateparties ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IPv4 to IPv6 transition
On Oct 3, 2007, at 12:55 PM, Ruri Hiromi wrote: http://www.apple.com/jp/downloads/dashboard/networking_security/ ipv420.html hi Ruri , well, i could imagine what its good for , but an english version would be appreciated ;) cheers Marc -- Marc Manthey - LET - research + deployment D- 50672 Cologne Hildeboldplatz 1a web: http://www.let.de my xing profile https://www.xing.com/profile/Marc_Manthey phone mobile: 0049.221.355.80.32 0049.177.341.54.81 ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Hello IETF!
On Sep 23, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Felipe Rodrigues wrote: Yes marc! It's my site. It's a little freeze for the time, but I'll post something soon. I'm from Brazil, so the articles are writen in Brazilian Portuguese and english. ola felipe, I was really concerned about privacy in chats through the internet, so I create this program. It works with a client and a server using TCP/IP and criptography. your concerns about privacy and data retention are understandable , things are going worse and worse everywhere in the world since the patriot act had changed . We are having some capaigns here in germany aswell because our Interior Minister ( Schäuble) want to turn our country with online visitation into a supervisory state , thats why we foundet the pirate party 2006 here in germany.http:// int.piratenpartei.de/List_of_Pirateparties At this moment I'm working in a chat system with AES (Rjindael) cryptography, when I have a Beta version of it I post here and in the site. this is might be interesting for you http://www.cspace.in/ Well... More about me... I use Java,Delphi, C++, sql, php and html. I love ajax. I'm single (there are girls in IETF? :D ). I love CSI (crime scene investigation xD ), lost, simpsons.I DO NOT like to play football (yeah, most brazilians do, me not xD) but I love basketball. I had a small musicstudio for ten years till 2001 and now i am looking for new challenges and trying to get some people together for my project . I am interested in streaming , multimedia and multiconferencing i am on macintosh since 1994 , its one of the best system i believe. all the best and good luck for the future. greetings from germany :-) sincerly marc If you have msn, add me felipevr36[at]hotmail[dot]com see you! One must act on what has not yet happened. --Lao Tzu web: http://www.let.de .local http://stattfernsehen.com ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: why can't IETF emulate IEEE on this point?
good evening , there was an intersting statement a while ago in the apple streaming list that i like to share: --- If you use a technique covered by a patent for your own, private use, you are not obliged to pay royalty fees. -- if you compile sources and build an executable you can then use them without problems for your own. Or, if you read a patent for a milk shaker and you built it on your own according to the patent and use it only by yourself , do it. This is an exception in the worldwide laws agreed by the WIPO. (research development and private use are the exceptions agreed in the acts.) If I start selling milk shakes made with the patented milk shaker made on my own (or distribute video encoded using an algorithm covered by patents, but with a freely available encoder), do I have to pay royalties? I believe I do ... but maybe not under the same conditions as if I wanted to sell the milk shaker itself or the compiled encoder? You do not have to pay royalties for the milk shake itself, except, the receipe to produce this milk shake is covered by a patent. Like video bitstreams. You can encode MPEG-4 video bitstreams only with mechanisms covered by a patent. If you encode for yourself, nobody matters. If you _use_ them in a commercial way, e.g. _distribute_ them, you are _using_ patents. For the usage of a patent you need a license. Even if it is royalty free like H.263, you have a license. (Same in open source. You have a license to distribute the _source_ and sometimes the binary. Even if you do not pay anything.) So, of course all companies selling products covered by patents have to get a license and have to pay royalties sometimes. Another Intelectual Property Right (IPR) is the copyright and the protection of utility patents. I.e. the form and shape of the Coca Cola bottle. --- just my two cents about patents;) regards marc *back to lurking mode* On Sep 26, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Scott Brim wrote: On 26 Sep 2007 at 14:06 +0200, Harald Alvestrand allegedly wrote: Note that if: - Company A has a patent on nanosecond gate opening - Company A has issued the claim above, in conjunction with an IETF standard - Company B has a patent on the application of slow-drying oil paint - Company A paints their house with such an oil paint - Company B asserts their patent on slow-drying oil paint against company A then company B will automatically be the target for an assertion of the nanosecond patent against all its uses of that patent, past, present and future, within or outside the scope of the relevant IETF standard. It's a blanket license for use of the technology by any company that doesn't hold a patent, but it's definitely not a no strings attached policy. Harald, sigh this again. - It's a blanket statement for anyone, including those who have patents, who agree not to assert them. No license required. - You can sue any time you like. All that happens is that this agreement disappears. See the text. - If you don't want to be bound by a non-assertion agreement, you can get a license right at the very beginning. Some people do opt for this. If you have a problem with getting license-free use in return for not suing, you could too. So what are you missing? All you lose is the ability to use the technology license-free AND sue the holder at the same time. This promotes sharing of technology and joint development of the Internet. The only people who lose here are the patent parasites who make a living off lawsuits, and those who insist that technology be patent-free without actually looking at the terms of use. Scott ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf - there's no place like 127.0.0.1 until we found ::1 -- which is even bigger web: http://www.let.de ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Representation of end-users at the IETF (Was: mini-cores (was Re: ULA-C)
On Sep 20, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Peter Dambier wrote: Daniel Senie wrote: At 04:18 AM 9/20/2007, you wrote: Interesting discussion. I am envolved in two groups develloping around OpenWRT. One group (some 2000 members) is trying to TORify a dollar 150 router the other group (some 30 members) is trying to IPv6 that very same software. I dont know how big the OpenWRT devellopers group is. They are end-users, all of them. End users? Interesting. Though I've been in the software, systems and networking business for 25 years, I don't know what TORify means. Step back and look around. Getting more of us geeks providing end user feedback is not functional. That's how we get to having cameras, cell phones and most other electronics with user interfaces that non-geeks can't understand. TOR is The Onion Router. hello peter and Daniel, all i am using openwrt / White russian for my test enviroment, i guess you mean this https://www.agol.dk/elgaard/torap/ there is an impressive list of software for openwrt http:// downloads.openwrt.org/backports/0.9/ greetings from an enduser;) marcM. -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 until we found ::1 -- which is even bigger web: http://www.let.de___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Hello IETF!
HI! I'm 81duz1d0, programmer. Today I’ve joined to IETF Mail List, I hope that my texts be useful to this community. welcome 81duz1d0 your site ? http://progzzz.blogspot.com/ greetings from germany marc -- there's no place like 127.0.0.1 until we found ::1 -- which is even bigger web: http://www.let.de ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: DHCP failures (was RE: Do you want to have more meetings outside US ?)
On Aug 1, 2007, at 12:40 AM, Tony Hain wrote: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: ... The poor network infrastructure is not only a question of the links. It is a question of having a good or bad network, like the problem that we had all this week with the DHCP. Having a good link the network was still unusable 60% of the time. I had no problem at all because the IPv6 path didn't rely on the failing DHCP service. ;) That said, several of us did notice that the local DNS servers did not have any records, so likely they did not have any IPv6 configured either. Even if they did, we would need to finalize the work to put the DNS address in the RA to completely avoid the need for DHCP for those that rely on local configuration. thats why i like the bonjour idea;) http://www.dns-sd.org/ServerTestSetup.html marcM. Tony -- Imagination is more important than Knowledge http://www.braustelle.com/ ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: IETF Streaming
On Jul 24, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Jeffrey Altman wrote: Joel Jaeggli wrote: The webpage for the streaming has been updated to reflect the schedule for monday and tuesday. http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ One addition is that we intend to record and broadcast the Sunday IEPG meeting located in the crystal ballroom from 1000-1200 CDT. Regards Joel Jaeggli This information really needs to be on the IETF69 Meeting page. its on the mainpage of the community wiki http://community.ietf.org/wiki/ regards ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Can the USA welcome IETF (was: Last Call under RFC 3683 concerning Dean Anderson (reissued))
On Oct 15, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Eduardo Mendez wrote: 2005/10/14, David Kessens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [NOTE: It has come to the attention of the IESG that the original Last Call message was posted to the IETF announcements mail list while RFC 3683 specifies that it should have been posted to the general IETF discussion list. To correct for this oversight, this Last Call message is reissued with a new expiry date and posted to the correct mail list as prescribed by RFC 3683.] So, the proscutor/judge AD saw no one was interested. One yes, one no. He thinks one month will be too short. So he finds a way to do it again. For how long? If the US law permits this the Internet should not be ran in the USA. They cannot welcome IETF meetings according AVRI's rules. But a friend told me: 1- Go to http://www.google.com 2- Type in Failure, without the quotes 3- Instead of hitting Search hit I'm feeling Lucky Then I think the USA should keep running the Internet. And the Google Evangelist head the IETF meetings lol , too funny!!! my first hit was http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html amazing thanks Eduardo Mendez marc manthey -- In a world without walls or fences, who needs Windows and Gates? Les Enfants Terribles C.V.O. Marc Manthey Hildeboldplatz 1a 50672 Köln - Germany main site: http://www.let.de developer:http://www.cuseeme.de http://www.applehelpers.com my blog:http://brain.let.de AIM ,MSN, MAC= macbroadcast smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Beyond conflict
On Oct 14, 2005, at 4:51 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] msgusr-02.pit.comms.ma rconi.com, Gray, Eric writes: Voice conference calls - however done - are bound to be better than E-Mail, just as face to face is better than voice. However, I haven't been heard phenomena are far from unique to E-Mail and other text based communication and can happen even with face-to-face communication. The difference is that - with text based communication - it is possible that what you've said will _eventually_ get noticed... I suspect that conference calls will exacerbate language difficulties. when was that 1994 ? how about using sign language :-) Not to mention being incompatible with working across all time zones. but this is just a question of timing :-) marc -- Reality is what, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. Failure is not an option. It is a privilege reserved for those who try. Les Enfants Terribles Les Enfants Terribles C.V.O. Marc Manthey Hildeboldplatz 1a 50672 Köln - Germany main site: http://www.let.de developer:http://www.cuseeme.de http://www.applehelpers.com my blog:http://brain.let.de AIM ,MSN, MAC= macbroadcast smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Anyone not in favor of a PR-Action against Jefsey Morfin
On Oct 6, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Peter Dambier wrote: Bill Manning wrote: i for one, am not in favor of a PR action against anyone. --bill me too regards Peter and Karin -- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) +1-360-448-1275 (VoIP: freeworldialup.com) mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason -- Wer die freiheit aufgibt, um sicherheit zu gewinnen, wird am ende beides verlieren. (benjamin franklin) Les Enfants Terribles C.V.O. Marc Manthey Hildeboldplatz 1a 50672 Köln - Germany main site: http://www.let.de developer:http://www.cuseeme.de http://www.applehelpers.com my blog:http://brain.let.de AIM ,MSN, MAC= macbroadcast smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: net.stewards [Re: BitTorrent (Was: Re: [Isms] ISMS charter broken- onus should be on WG to fix it)]
On Sep 16, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian E Carpenter writes: Michael Thomas wrote: Perfect. And then someone with less clue decided to plant Kudzu. We have nothing to say about that? I just read today that kudzu extract may reduce the desire for alcohol (Scientific American, 8/2005, p 17). What seems evil may not always be evil. Have you ever lived in the southern U.S.? It's amazing driving through some areas, where you see kudzu covering trees, barns, telephone polls, and some slow-moving cows... wow, i never heard of it but it looks very nice http://www.jjanthony.com/kudzu/ greetings I know that we aren't the net.cops, but are we not net.stewards either? Up to a point, but there are limits to what we can do. We can request that the RFC Editor not publish things we think are damaging. The IESG does this a few times a year. Similarly, we can request that IANA not register things we think are damaging, or at least to label them as potentially dangerous. We can publish screeds about damaging practices. The IAB does this a few times a year. We can try to develop non-damaging solutions for requirements where the easy solutions are damaging, and we can try to repair our own damage (as HTTP 1.1 repairs HTTP 1.0). We can try to ensure that the Internet can 'route around damage' - that's one of the main reasons for defending the e2e principle, for example. But we can't prevent people from deploying solutions that we didn't develop, and we shouldn't even try to IMHO. Agreed. Sometimes the IETF does the initial engineering, sometimes it has to do garbage collection and repair, and hope that the operators can cope in the meantime. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf -- Sic transit gloria mundi Les Enfants Terribles www.let.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Last Call: 'Linklocal Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR)' toProposed Standard
On Sep 6, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: It would be an interesting experiment to make an easy-to-use DNS implementation for local use that runs on a residential gateway. But to be part of the global DNS requires delegation pointers from elsewhere, and most residential/SOHO users don't have addresses that are stable enough to make this usable. This may change with IPv6, though. sure , i heard that there is a mobile implementation arround adrian did a great job http://www.ag-projects.com/docs/Present/ETSI-20041130.pdf regards -- When it's not necessary to do something, it's becomes necessary NOT to do it. Les Enfants Terribles www.let.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Last Call: 'Linklocal Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR)' to Proposed Standard
On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Bill Manning wrote: On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:25, Peter Dambier wrote: Russ Allbery wrote: Margaret Wasserman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Other than a few minor issues that are being dealt with in a -43 update, I don't think that anyone has raised a blocking technical issue with the LLMNR specification during this IETF LC. If you (or anyone else) has intended to raise a blocking technical issue, either with LLMNR itself or with its ability to coexist with mDNS, please make that clearer to me. Sorry I overlooked this: I dont count 25% of the root server traffic a minor issue. With 90% of root server traffic used to be for localhost and with 25% of root server traffic already for local, we are looking into a major DoS attack. This might overload ISPs DNS servers it might even bring the root servers down if they let it free! i'm going to have to raise the point that Peters root-server system is his private walled-garden and not representative of the Internet's authoritative root servers. Just for clarification. --bill i want to correct bills concern that , peters public root server system is an alternative for the existing ones and there are several others . -marc http://www.public-root.com/ -- Wer also allgemeine Aufklärung verbreitet, verschafft zugleich eben dadurch allgemeine wechselseitige Sicherheit, und allgemeine Aufklärung und Sicherheit machen Fürsten und Staaten entbehrlich. Oder wozu braucht man sie sodann? Les Enfants Terribles www.let.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Enough is enough: Intent to file an RFC 3683 against Jefsey Morfin (Harald Tveit Alvestrand)
On Aug 30, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Peter Constable wrote: The difficulty isn't in learning when they should be ignored, but rather in knowing that they *will* be ignored by others. what a poor comment , did you ever say something construcive ? cheers -- The Ego is the little self that pretends to be the only self and speaks so loudly that the still, small voice of the Greater Self, whose whisperings come from within the Soul, are rarely heard - unless we learn to listen. Les Enfants Terribles www.let.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Last Call: 'Linklocal Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR)' to Proposed Standard
On Aug 26, 2005, at 9:20 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: The most important criteria is the fact that the specification is NOT controlled by any given private entity. is that enought to show thats not proprietary ? http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/08/31/osx_java.html http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/fl/research/accessgrid/bonjour-py/bonjour- py.html http://sourceforge.net/projects/swig/ http://rubyforge.org/projects/dnssd/ cheers have a great day P.S. can you show me some free LLMNR implementations? -- Wer also allgemeine Aufklärung verbreitet, verschafft zugleich eben dadurch allgemeine wechselseitige Sicherheit, und allgemeine Aufklärung und Sicherheit machen Fürsten und Staaten entbehrlich. Oder wozu braucht man sie sodann? Les Enfants Terribles www.let.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Last Call: 'Linklocal Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR)' to Proposed Standard
hopefully convalesce Marshall Eubanks wrote following important lines why should a protocol that no-one will use be standards track ? This discussion is beginning to remind me of the scientific standards processes involving the Soviet bloc that I was involved with during the Cold War. That is not a good sign... and a very disrespectful person named Keith Moore wrote: Why should we accept a few (mostly axe-grinding) peoples' assertions that no-one will use it? Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: I think the fact that mDNS has been successful in the market place should be given a lot of consideration. At this point, something new has to be a A LOT better to be worth the extra implementation effort, and, more importantly: all the operational issues it will cause (if there is any uptake) for years to come. I'm afraid we're looking at a new ip6.int / ip6.arpa debacle. This stuff wastes SO MUCH time and effort that it's almost criminal to make these changes if there is no clear technical advantage. Russ Allbery wrote: Presumably the DNS working group has some incredibly strong arguments that trump running code or they wouldn't have made the choices that they have. Let's see them, and furthermore, let's see them *in the document* or at least in a supporting informational document, since those of us on the IETF mailing list are certainly not the only people who are going to have that question. Rob Austein wrote a lot of importand stuff and ... How about tossing a coin? ladys and gentleman , i count over 170 application that are under deployment or allready successfully implemented why can t we have a constructional discussion how things could be progressed ? http://www.dns-sd.org/ServiceTypes.html pace Marc -- Pulvis et umbra sumus - Staub und Schatten sind wir. Les Enfants Terribles www.let.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Last Call: 'Linklocal Multicast Name Resolution (LLMNR)' to Proposed Standard
On Aug 25, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-cheshire-dnsext- multicastdns-02.txt claims that browsing and service discovery is described in this draft: [DNS-SD] Cheshire, S. DNS-Based Service Discovery, Internet- Draft (work in progress), draft-cheshire-dnsext-dns-sd-01.txt, June 2003. hello all, this is more detailed i think. http://www.dns-sd.org/ regards marcM. -- Fernsehen ist Kaugummi für die Augen. (Orson Welles) Les Enfants Terribles www.let.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Stopping loss of transparency...
On Aug 17, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 17-aug-2005, at 15:03, Brian E Carpenter wrote: You can ask some pointed questions using RFC 4084 (exactly which of these descriptions applies to your service, and please show me in the contract where you are allowed to change your service without notice). But I suspect that even free copies of RFC 1958, 2775, 3234 and 4084 will not be enough to convince them. Just to be sure: what were talking about is that when a customer gets up in the morning and connects to www.ietf.org they get www.advertising-down-your-throat.de instead, right? Maybe a nice lawsuit will do the trick. They are assuming the identities of others. That can't be legal. yes , thats exactly what it does , they call it Portal-Guided Entrance on port :80 and 443. regards marcM. -- If women didn't exist, all the money in the world would have no meaning. Les Enfants Terribles www.let.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: what is a threat analysis?
On Aug 16, 2005, at 3:54 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: For those interested in self training, hello christian, hello experts i saw that you are involed in IVS with Thierry Turletti from the early days on A set of four Internet-Drafts specifying the RTP protocol were issued in December 1992, and an Internet-Draft on packetization of H.261 coded video was issued in March, 1993. In addition, RTP has been implemented to varying degrees in the following programs: ... IVS Thierry Turletti and Christian Huitema MavenCharley Kline http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/doc/ietf/avt/avt-minutes-93mar.txt Whitch drafts your talking about ? And where can i find something about MAVEN ? any pointers would be greatly appreciatet best regards marcM. http://www.wjt2005.de/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Why have we gotten away from running code?
morning experts, (Note that I haven't implemented any IETF protocols myself, but I did once do an implementation of a badly designed protocol.) a, is this why you think that there is no need for any new or old protocol at all ? have a great day marcM. -- Reality is what, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. Failure is not an option. It is a privilege reserved for those who try. European headoffice of the first in- official cuseeme protocol testing lounge www.let.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Why have we gotten away from running code?
On Aug 10, 2005, at 6:36 PM, Simon Josefsson wrote: I think that is a good point. A variation on that theme is that the IETF is no longer run by people who actually implement protocols. The relevance and impact of the IETF on what is actually used on the Internet is marginalized through that change of membership. The attitude of That is not how we do things in the IETF make people go away. Cheers, Simon hell o , yes it is, simon , all , see i am the oppossite, a i highly motivated undergraduated citizen. with no money But i learn a lot in the last 2 year only by reading lists and try to understand what the real problem is or could be. I can´t do a lot, just raise an issue or have a meaning. But its fantastic to be part of the whole thing. just my 2 cents marcM. from old germany;-P C Wegrzyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think a big part of the issue is that the IETF has been taken over little by little by corporate interests. Before it used to be for the love of doing it. Today it is more for the benefit of one. Chuck Wegrzyn Marc Manthey wrote: morning experts, (Note that I haven't implemented any IETF protocols myself, but I did once do an implementation of a badly designed protocol.) a, is this why you think that there is no need for any new or old protocol at all ? -- The mind, once expanded to the dimensions of larger ideas, never returns to its original size. Les Enfants Terribles www.let.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
shuttle landet
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