Re: IPv6
1. Which operating systems currently support it? I irun RedHat linux, = and it does not, to my knowlege. RedHat Linux 7.1 supports it just fine - am running a 2.4.5 kernel with the USAGI IPv6 patches and it works. Some Assembly Required though. You have the option during install to provide IPv6 support in Solaris 8, also. RGF Robert G. Ferrell
Re: I-D archives available anywhere?
And *NO*, this is *NOT* a 'we need to use XML/HTML/etc' - we haven't waited the requisite 6 months before re-starting that flame war. ;) Ah, but what about the Should we keep archives of expired drafts war? ;-) Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: press release: new IETF WG: Drunk Driving on the Internet
IETF also promised to establish liasons with other standards organizations which have groups tasked with standardizing driving while blind, under the influence of hallucinogens, and with railroad spikes through the driver's head. Not to mention driving while talking on a cell phone. ;-) RGF
Re: Carrier Class Gateway
what type of media do you propose to run ISBP over? Sailor-to-Sailor Relay, or maybe a specialized version of avian carriers (RFC 1149 et al.) using albatrosses or seagulls. RGF
Re: Carrier Class Gateway
However, those of us who choose to use asynchronous protocols can more easily make use of powerful, space saving message compression -- http://www.anbg.gov.au/flags/signal-meaning.html If there is ever an IETF held at sea, I nominate the flag for Y - I am carrying mails as a conference logo. Oh, I don't know, the flag for G (I require a pilot) seems to describe us pretty well, also... RGF
RE: MIME Format
I want to give you the benefit of the doubt. So, a gentle reminder. There are women out here too. He doesn't appear to be a native English speaker; I doubt that he meant to exclude women. He probably meant "people" or "folks" rather than "men." I expect he speaks English better than most of us speak French. RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: Deja Vu
Even with Spring in MN, this is probably still a good idea. Or New Orleans, at least it is warm and centrally located. How about San Antonio? We're a pretty serious convention city, and I'd actually be able to attend a meeting for once. Plus, we have no winter to speak of (although summer gets a little, um, intemperate)... ;-) Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: FanPageGuide is looking for guides
Dear "Backbone" fan, While evaluating your website at http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs/internet/mbone-faq.html we thought that it might be interesting for you to maintain for instance the http://backbone.fanpageguide.com guide about Backbone. Heh. I think we have a new frontrunner for the 2001 "Unclear on the Concept" Award. ;-) RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: HTML better for small PDAs
Actually, it *is* a valid argument - consider that hieroglyphs were unreadable until they found the Rosetta Stone. The media lasted, but the ability to parse didn't. If we're going to stray onto the treacherous ice of logic here, then I feel constrained to point out that ASCII, XML, and so on are merely ways of formatting characters, not languages in and of themselves. The clay tablet vs paper comparison really isn't applicable either, because the basic storage and display media do not change in our example, regardless of which format we adopt. A more precise analogy would be something along the lines of 'shall we use ink, paint, chisels, or chalk?' I'm afraid that even this construct isn't particularly useful in our context. There are times when analogies can shine a bright light on a dark debate, but they may also be the last refuge of the obfuscator. I say ASCII source documents are fine; if someone wants to convert their personal copies of the docs into XML, PDF, HTML, or Morse Code, they're perfectly welcome to do so. Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: Writing Internet Drafts on a Macintosh
just a sec. traditionally, we have this discussion every six months. it has not been six months yet. If this trend keeps up, eventually all IETF discussions will be centered on this one subject, which, ironically enough, has nothing to do with actual engineering. Who says the universe has no sense of humor? ;-) Cheers, RGF
Re: Writing Internet Drafts on a Macintosh
these are the same people with archaic browsers and e-mail clients that can't handle recent advances in technology - even to the point of using "dumb" devices that can only handle ASCII? "On the other hand," he said, drawing himself up to his full height and putting on his 'serious' face, "what real sense is there in adopting every new technological innovation that comes along, merely for the sake of appearing to be "on the cutting edge? ASCII is certainly a lot safer than HTML or binary formats where embedded malicious code may be quietly nestling. As I see it, the purpose of IETF documents is communication among professionals and providing easily and widely accessible reference materials. Isn't it a bit arrogant and, more importantly, self-limiting of us to assume that only those folks who have access to enhanced Web/email capabilities should be included in the documentation loop?" He paused for effect, and adjust his glasses. "Offering different formats merely as an option, however, seems perfectly acceptable to me, so long as the concomitant administrative overhead is within reason." Time for his big finale, an oblique reference to popular culture. "This entire thread reminds me of Yogi Berra's most widely attributed comment." He glanced around the room, eager for the crowd's reaction. No reaction was forthcoming, however. They were all playing Quake III across their 11MB 802.11 wireless LAN. Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: [midcom] WG scope/deliverables
Such views, I submit, are a form of religion. Religion is a belief in a power higher than oneself. NAT-mania is a form of mass delusion. Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: Media Access Control list
Does anyone have a link for a listing of assigned vendor MAC addresses? Someone said the IEEE has a list, but I was unable to find it on their website. If you mean OUIs, the original database is at http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/oui.txt there's a searchable version on my site: http://rgfsparc.cr.usgs.gov:8090/sysadmin/oui.html although it might be a bit out of date (I'll try to update it soon). Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: To whom is ICANN answerable?
I found this news report of some concern, not because of what ICANN is supposed to have done or not done, but because it seems there is a presumption by some that ICANN is answerable to US Congress. I understood that the whole purpose of setting up ICANN was to provide Internet governance that was trans-national, not answerable to US Government. If you look at the corporate charter and articles of incorporation for ICANN, it is a California-based nonprofit public benefit corporation. There is no mention that I can find of ICANN being subject to the control of laws or policies of any governmental entities outside the U.S. The prevailing view seems to be "the Commerce Department giveth, and the Commerce Department can taketh away." Deep down, the U.S. still thinks it owns the Internet. Sigh. Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: Technical Internet Advancements for White House Internet Strategies
the next thing it should do is apply for membership of the European Union I'm unclear on this concept. Wouldn't it rather make a mockery of the EU (or at least of the name) if countries from outside Europe start joining up? Sort of like admitting Japan into NATO. RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Virus Notice Deluge
Virus Notification: A virus has been detected in a message in which you where a recipient! Check the original message. If the attachment could not be repaired it was Deleted from the message. Folks, I don't want to seem intolerant, but this has got to stop. I'll take spurious 'vaction' messages any day compared with this brain-dead auto-spam behavior. I've gotten 60 of these since 12/26. Aaargh. RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: Welcoming newcomers
I can imagine, without much trouble, a scenario in which, e.g., someone showed up and claimed to "represent" a company with considerable IETF experience (and other employees as long-term participants), started pushing a technically unviable idea and justifying it on the basis of his or her company's market position. Unfortunately, this is exactly the sort of thing the IETF is periodically accused of doing. Just look through the archives and you'll see that every so often someone (usually but not always from 'outside') will pop up in public and claim that the IETF is run solely by and for the benefit of large corporations. It isn't a particularly difficult argument to counter, but the damage to the organization's image is still there. Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: Bottom feeders
We *should* worry about people who come to the IETF once and never come back - because they probably came to the wrong meeting, and went home unhappy. Well, you've certainly convinced me never to attend a meeting. The attitude being promulgated by the majority of these posts, whether justified or not, is most likely to lead (IMO) to IETF meetings populated by two distinct groups of people: 1) Old timers 2) The clueless masses Everyone else will be afraid to show up. When the old timers are gone, all that will be left are the clueless; down that path lurks madness and anarchy. Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: Internationalization and the IETF
Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The notion that use of languages other than English can or should be 'localized' strikes me as both shockingly arrogant and hopelessly naive. It strikes me that the underlying assumption that people can't or won't deal with numeric addresses may no longer be a valid one, once full internationalization of canonical names is a reality. It would be a lot easier for me to handle pure numeric addresses than, for example, Chinese characters. I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of Internet message addressing is done automatically through the use of bookmarks/hyperlinks or email address books, anyway. It might be a hassle in the original contact to have to type in a sequence of numbers, but after that it's back to point and click. Maybe in the long run we just won't need domain name translation. Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: Diacritical application in the DNS
p.s. the lawyers wouldn't give up so easily...they would simply insist that we support IP addresses with octet values greater than 255. Perhaps it would save us all a lot of grief if we just gave in and assigned them that address space now. How about moving all lawyers to the 666.0.0.0 subnet? ;-) RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: Will Language Wars Balkanize the Web?
Wasn't there a Dilbert cartoon regarding sending a page to a pager number containing a caret? ;) It was a tilde. ;-) RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: [Re: Standartization of User Input for find\search engines]
The common users will benefit from the things like the obvious-ness of Boolean operations (always being OR\AND\NOT) and simplicity. I think this proposal has merit, although I'm not sure what, if any, role the IETF has to play in its implementation. I get really tired of having to switch syntax for every search engine. It would be nice if we had a standard that all engines could adopt (or at least offer compliance with). Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center U. S. Dept. of the Interior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: Please Call the FBI and other gibberish
what is all of this crap? Oh, it's just an episode of this weird form of Tourette's Syndrome that Casey has that causes him periodically to post reams of completely unrelated material to various mailing lists. Sad, really, not to mention monumentally annoying. Just put him and his various aliases in your kill file. Cheers, RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: draft-ietf-nat-protocol-complications-02.txt
Wrong I'm reading it :P Leave AOL alone. AOlers also know that AOL isnt top class but we like easy listening once in a while Um, I guess this isn't one of those 'whiles.' Received: from [4.33.131.234] by web4601.mail.yahoo.com ;-) RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
RE: If you think you've heard it all check this
If there is any truth in this and it continues like this I wonder how many people will stay connected to the 'Net". This is just sort of a corporate version of 'Echelon.' There's nothing that I can see in this technology that any ordinary person couldn't do using Deja.com and other search engines. A bit more organized, and conducted, apparently, on a grand scale, but nothing new. I think people need to realize that sending unencrypted email over the Internet is a little like tacking a message to a public bulletin board in a city park. You can fold it over and write "personal for Bill only" on it, but if someone decides they want to read it before Bill does, there's not much you can do about it (unless you stand there and guard it, but that's not really practical with SMTP traffic). This may not be moral, ethical, or legal, but it's going to happen nonetheless. And it won't just be "Big Brother," either. Caveat Scriptor, if you know what I mean. RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: Thanks for visiting MP3.com
OK, I'll bite now. I know what a two-by-four is, but what's a clue-by-four? A clue-by-four is a large, heavy, blunt object used to forcibly inject clues into those who have proven otherwise clue-resistant. RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: RFC 2862 on RTP Payload Format for Real-Time Pointers
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 2862 Title: RTP Payload Format for Real-Time Pointers Author(s): M. Civanlar, G. Cash Status: Standards Track Date: June 2000 Mailbox:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pages: 7 Characters: 12031 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:None I-D Tag:draft-ietf-avt-pointer-02.txt This document describes an RTP [1] payload format for transporting the Um, there doesn't seem to be a "URL" field for this announcement. RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: IETF Wireless LAN history
Or you can use *one* bullet, and watch the other 99 devices get disconnected very quickly ;) For some reason, my manager hasn't approved this technique as a cost-cutting move - I'm not sure why... ;) I think the ammo manufacturers have a pretty strong lobby. RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: IP over MIME
Consider the possibilities of a neutrino beam -- no media costs and lower latency than direct point-to-point fiber. I think IP over Human Alpha Waves (IP-HAW) might be promising, too. RGF Robert G. Ferrell Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: Best Toner Cartridge Prices Ever
--LASER, FAX AND COPIER PRINTER TONER CARTRIDGES-- I submit this as a candidate for the in situ definition of irony (not to mention pristine timing). ;-) RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: fyi.. House Committee Passes Bill Limiting Spam E-Mail
It is also impossible to differentiate between so-called spam and expressions of a personal political, social or artistic nature. Herein lies one of the major issues that ought to be sorted out before anyone takes any steps to regulate spam. What is spam, exactly? There seems to be a wide variety of notions as to what constitutes a spam. Some people define it in its original context; i.e., unsolicited commercial email. Others broaden the definition to include offensive or off-topic remarks on a public or private list. Still others would include *any* email they didn't want to receive as 'spam.' It would be extremely challenging and largely useless to attempt to regulate what you can't even categorize, methinks. RGF Robert G. Ferrell Who goeth without humor goeth unarmed.
Re: remove me from list
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:14:45 CDT, Honey Rand [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I am on one of your e-mail lists. i promise i will NEVER buy anything from you. Please remove me immediately or i will forward the e-mail to the appropriate agency for pursuit as nuisance spam. This is the second request I have made. The IETF sells stuff? News to me... I thought we just had flame wars and occasionally went into feline-emulation mode and cough up a hairb^H^H^H^H^HRFC. Well, she didn't actually say we *sold* stuff. She just said that she wouldn't buy anything from us. Heck, neither would I. As to forwarding it to the "appropriate agency for pursuit...," good luck. If you find one that does any sort of pursuit, let me know, would you? RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center, US DoI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not an official statement by any entity of the US Government
Re: RFCs in print
I am particularly interested in hearing about whether such collections are helpful or not. And if not, what would be more helpful. Perhaps a collection of RFCs would be a good candidate for an eBook. Easier to accomodate the continual evolution of the documents than with traditional print. RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center, US DoI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not an official statement by any entity of the US Government
Re: draft-ietf-nat-protocol-complications-02.txt
By the way, just out of interest, don't the tops of your knees get kind of bruised every time to you see the word "NAT", or have you learned to scoot back from your desk in time? Looks to me like knees are getting bruised all around. RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Systems Security Officer National Business Center, US DoI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing I have ever said should be construed as even vaguely representing an official statement by the NBC or DoI.
Re: Internet SYN Flooding, spoofing attacks
You can't, because you died in 1980. Existentialists don't "die," they just go from being to nothingness. RGF Robert G. Ferrell, CISSP Information Security Officer National Business Center, US DoI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing I have ever said should be construed as even vaguely representing an official statement by the NBC or DoI.
Re: Confirmation for subscribe ietf
Someone (possibly you) has requested that your email address be added to or deleted from the mailing list "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Pretty slick trick: a mailing list asking to be added to itself. RGF Robert G. Ferrell Internet Technologist National Business Center, US DoI [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Email messages: How large is too large?
No, it would be an old protocol. See RFC1440, from July 1993. Is there sufficient interest to create a working group to overhaul RFC1440 into something more usable in today's Internet? People using SMTP for large file transfer has been a pet peeve of mine for several years, having been tasked with administering email for a large federal agency (I don't do that anymore, thankfully, but I sympathize with admins who do), so I for one would be quite interested in participating in such an effort RGF Robert G. Ferrell Internet Technologist National Business Center, US DoI [EMAIL PROTECTED]
