Re: 6to4 to Experimental? (was: Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic)

2011-07-08 Thread Ole Troan
Keith,

 The alternative that I proposed to IESG and to the chairs (and never received 
 any feedback about) was to reclassify 6to4 as Experimental.   Experimental 
 seems completely appropriate for a protocol that is useful, but only in 
 corner cases.  And I think it's also appropriate and useful to try to learn 
 from the experience with 6to4, even if we realize that 6to4 will never be a 
 generally applicable IPv6 transition solution again.
 
 And maybe, just maybe, Experimental will be enough of a slap at 6to4 to 
 mollify the kill it yesterday crowd.  For one thing, it clearly indicates 
 that 6to4 is no longer a standard.
 
 But in order to quieten down the discussion here, I suggest that people reply 
 to me privately if they can't live with this.   If I get lots of those 
 replies, I'll know that it's not worth pursuing.

Experimental is certainly better than:
 - nothing
 - spending months on hold as appeals are processed.

cheers,
Ole
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6to4 to Experimental? (was: Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic)

2011-07-03 Thread Keith Moore
On Jul 3, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Ronald Bonica wrote:

 Folks,
 
 I think that I get it. There is no IETF consensus regarding the compromise 
 proposed below. So, at very least, we will have to abandon the compromise.
 
 Right now, the only alternative that I see is to reintroduce 
 draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic and let the appeal process run its course. 
 I hate to do this, because the appeals process can be an incredible time sync 
 and distraction. If anybody sees another alternative, please propose it.
 
  Ron
 speaking as AD

The alternative that I proposed to IESG and to the chairs (and never received 
any feedback about) was to reclassify 6to4 as Experimental.   Experimental 
seems completely appropriate for a protocol that is useful, but only in corner 
cases.  And I think it's also appropriate and useful to try to learn from the 
experience with 6to4, even if we realize that 6to4 will never be a generally 
applicable IPv6 transition solution again.

And maybe, just maybe, Experimental will be enough of a slap at 6to4 to 
mollify the kill it yesterday crowd.  For one thing, it clearly indicates 
that 6to4 is no longer a standard.

But in order to quieten down the discussion here, I suggest that people reply 
to me privately if they can't live with this.   If I get lots of those replies, 
I'll know that it's not worth pursuing.

Keith

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