Re: Seeking a new IAB Executive Director
Hi Leslie, all, I've a small comment regarding the profile. I'm not thinking in any specific candidate, but I think this is very relevant for a fair selection. The first point, keeping and editing the minutes, almost excludes the non-native English speakers, at least, they will have a much more difficult job if a non-native candidate is appointed for this. I think this concrete point never must be considered when selecting the candidate among a possible pool, and thus even excluded from your call for candidates. I'm sure that if the candidate selected can fulfill the rest of the mission almost, and he/she has any problems with taking the minutes, it should not be an issue to get support from other IAB members. I fully understand that you already indicated that this is the profile of a perfect candidate, etc., however, this specific task is not consequent with the wide spectrum of participants in the IETF, and thus make it unfair. Regards, Jordi > De: Leslie Daigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Responder a: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Fecha: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:10:42 -0400 > Para: IETF Announcement list > CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Asunto: Seeking a new IAB Executive Director > > All, > > Due to other commitments Phil Roberts will not be able to continue > his role as Executive Director. Therefore the IAB is currently looking > to appoint a replacement. > > The Executive Director is a non-voting ex-officio member of the IAB. > (See RFC2850, the IAB's charter, for details). We are looking for > suggestions, based on the brief profile for the role, below. > > We would like you to consider this profile and either suggest yourself > or other people that you think that would fit well in this role by > sending mail to the IAB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We do not intend to disclose > the names of the nominees in public, but we may wish to discuss this > issue with third parties such as the Area Directors. If you have a > problem with your name being mentioned in this context, please let us > know. > > Note that this profile is written for a somewhat ideal candidate. We > fully realize that such people are probably non-existent. So don't > hesitate to suggest somebody who in your opinion would fit this role > but might not meet all the qualifications 100 percent. Here is the > profile: > > - Writing skills. The Executive Director keeps and edits the minutes >of the IAB meetings and prepares them for public dissemination. > > - Sysadmin skills. The Executive Director handles the administration >of the IAB websites, including the maintenance of tools such as >Wikis, Jabber servers, email lists, etc. > > - IETF experience. It is desirable for the candidate to have at least >some experience with the IETF. > > - Organizational skills. The Executive Director serves as a >program manager for IAB work items. It is desirable for the >candidate to be able to juggle many outstanding tasks simultaneously. > > - Enough time available. For example, it is preferable that the >candidate not be chair of more than one IETF WG, or a member >of the IESG or IAB. The Executive Director would be expected >to be present in person at IETF meetings and IAB Retreats >(typically one per year). The IAB has approximately 5 hours of >teleconferences per month. > > > We would like to receive your comments & suggestions by April 2 > 2007 and we plan to make a decision as soon as possible thereafter. > It will be helpful if you indicate in your email how you or the > suggested person fits this profile as best as possible. > > > on behalf of the IAB, > > Leslie and Olaf > > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Seeking a new IAB Executive Director
On 19-Mar-2007, at 22:31, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: The first point, keeping and editing the minutes, almost excludes the non-native English speakers, at least, they will have a much more difficult job if a non-native candidate is appointed for this. As a counterpoint to that observation, I can think of several close friends who speak and write English far more elegantly and accurately than I do, none of whom learned English as a first language. If there is a requirement to be able to read and write English accurately, then let it be specified as such and not by potentially false assumptions as to what childhood background anyone might imagine would influence linguistic performance. Joe ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Seeking a new IAB Executive Director
If there is a requirement to be able to read and write English accurately, then let it be specified as such and not by potentially false assumptions as to what childhood background anyone might imagine would influence linguistic performance. Joe Speaking only for myself ... Joe has this exactly right (good job), and the I-star seems to understand this - just as an example, IESG is talking to non-native English speakers about the IESG scribe positions, at this IETF. People who wonder about this should be looking at IAB meeting minutes - they are not (typically) he said/she said transcripts. See http://www.iab.org/documents/iabmins/iabmins.2007-01-10.html for a recent example. So capturing EKR at line rate, which I can't do either, is NOT the requirement. IAB had more accessible minutes than IESG for years (IESG minutes were mostly "had no problem with", "remained under discussion"). That's why several people (including me) asked IESG to begin publishing narrative minutes in 2005. The minutes are the IAB's public face, and are really important - this requirement, for "writing skills", is justified. Thanks, Spencer ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Seeking a new IAB Executive Director
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: I've a small comment regarding the profile. I'm not thinking in any specific candidate, but I think this is very relevant for a fair selection. The first point, keeping and editing the minutes, almost excludes the non-native English speakers, at least, they will have a much more difficult job if a non-native candidate is appointed for this. ... Jordi, what you may be missing that IETF is (for a lack of a better word) a meritocracy, not a democracy. That includes finding the most suitable person for the job, so citing issues of unfairness (to those that may not fulfill requirements) misses the point. If taking care of the minutes requires some degree of English skills, that's what should be required. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oykingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Seeking a new IAB Executive Director
It was only one opinion, not tried to generate a debate. We simply disagree, same as some people want to have meetings only (or mainly) in US and not go to regions where it can be cheaper and can get new participants. Just very sad :-( Regards, Jordi > De: Pekka Savola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Responder a: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Fecha: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:38:33 +0200 (EET) > Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Asunto: Re: Seeking a new IAB Executive Director > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >> I've a small comment regarding the profile. I'm not thinking in any specific >> candidate, but I think this is very relevant for a fair selection. >> >> The first point, keeping and editing the minutes, almost excludes the >> non-native English speakers, at least, they will have a much more difficult >> job if a non-native candidate is appointed for this. > ... > > Jordi, what you may be missing that IETF is (for a lack of a better > word) a meritocracy, not a democracy. That includes finding the most > suitable person for the job, so citing issues of unfairness (to those > that may not fulfill requirements) misses the point. If taking care > of the minutes requires some degree of English skills, that's what > should be required. > > -- > Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the > Netcore Oykingdom bleeds." > Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings > > ___ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Bye 6Bone. Hi, IPv6 ! http://www.ipv6day.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Seeking a new IAB Executive Director
Jordi, Until Esperanto or some other language becomes the way we communicate, let's stick with English. Like it or not, it is the common lingua franca. And, no, it's not my native language either, but somehow I survive as an editor of it :) Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 GSM: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Seeking a new IAB Executive Director
Ole Jacobsen wrote: And, no, it's not my native language either, but somehow I survive as an editor of it :) Even better is that the *rest of us* survive your being an editor of it. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: Seeking a new IAB Executive Director
After thanking those who volunteered I am pleased to announce that Joe Abley will be taken the token from Phil Roberts. I would also like to thank Phil for a job well done! --Olaf On 19Mar 2007, at 9:10 PM, Leslie Daigle wrote: All, Due to other commitments Phil Roberts will not be able to continue his role as Executive Director. Therefore the IAB is currently looking to appoint a replacement. (...) --- Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
