Re: [Ifeffit] using the mail list archive for mac install

[Simon James]

Hi all,

I must admit that couldn’t cut it in terms of wrangling MacPorts and opted to 
run a windows virtual machine on my Mac and use Demeter in on the virtual 
machine.

This can be somewhat awkward but for the most part I’ve found this to work well 
enough.

Cheers,

Simon


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On 11 Jul 2018, at 4:17 pm, Schindler Karl-Michael 
mailto:karl-michael.schind...@web.de>> wrote:



> Am 11.07.2018 um 00:44 schrieb Matt Newville 
> mailto:newvi...@cars.uchicago.edu>>:
>
> Hi Joel,
>
>> I ran into the problem that some people seem to have with Demeter on mac 
>> while
>> upgrading to High Sierra. I found a fix on this mail list, but…
>
> Yeah, Demeter on MacOS is a continuing challenge. Even when it can be 
> installed, parts of the GUI interaction are pretty buggy (I believe this must 
> be due to wxPerl on Mac). MacPorts seems to need a fair amount of attention 
> and expects the end user to know Unix command line tools well enough to be 
> able to run updates and understand and react to error messages. For sure, it 
> is a useful resource for developers, but it seems like it is not really 
> designed for deploying end-user software.
>
> ​Still​, I don't know of a better alternative for getting Demeter working on 
> MacOS. I've tried many of the alternatives, and wxPerl seems to be a real 
> stumbling block for all of them.
>
>> 1) I can’t download Template.pm from the archive (bin 
>> file that uncompresses to cpgz file
>> that uncompresses back to a bin file…)
>
> I think that the advice from Luke and Bruce back in April was to try to find 
> and install version 1.47 of Text::Template. You might find this at
> https://metacpan.org/source/MSCHOUT/Text-Template-1.47/lib/Text
>
> and try unpacking and installing that. There may be a way to specify 
> particular versions with the "cpan" program, but I do not know how to do it. 
> I don't think we want "install old version of some library" to be a long term 
> solution (this will break other things eventually), but it might work for you.
>
>> 2) Matt mentions that he installed 0.9.26 from macports, but I see only 
>> 0.9.25 (stable & develop).
>
> To clarify, in April I updated MacPorts to the latest versions, installed the 
> packages for Demeter 0.9.25. Then I installed Demeter 0.9.26 from source code 
> on top of that. That might also work​, but it's probably more work than most 
> folks would want to do.​
>
> ​Cheers,​
>
> —Matt

Just to let you know: For other reasons, I am using fink instead of MacPorts on 
my Mac and I tried to create a package description with that for larch, but got 
stuck with some of the wx… stuff. However, sooner or later, I will have another 
go at it. Fink has a similar barrier as macPorts, as both need an installation 
of Xcode. At least, there is a GUI for the installation of packages.

Michael Schindler
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Re: [Ifeffit] using the mail list archive for mac install

[Schindler Karl-Michael]

> Am 11.07.2018 um 00:44 schrieb Matt Newville :
> 
> Hi Joel,
> 
>> I ran into the problem that some people seem to have with Demeter on mac 
>> while
>> upgrading to High Sierra. I found a fix on this mail list, but…
> 
> Yeah, Demeter on MacOS is a continuing challenge. Even when it can be 
> installed, parts of the GUI interaction are pretty buggy (I believe this must 
> be due to wxPerl on Mac).  MacPorts seems to need a fair amount of attention 
> and expects the end user to know Unix command line tools well enough to be 
> able to run updates and understand and react to error messages.  For sure, it 
> is a useful resource for developers, but it seems like it is not really 
> designed for deploying end-user software.
> 
> ​Still​, I don't know of a better alternative for getting Demeter working on 
> MacOS. I've tried many of the alternatives, and wxPerl seems to be a real 
> stumbling block for all of them.
> 
>> 1) I can’t download Template.pm from the archive (bin file that uncompresses 
>> to cpgz file
>> that uncompresses back to a bin file…)
> 
> I think that the advice from Luke and Bruce back in April was to try to find 
> and install version 1.47 of Text::Template. You might find this at
>https://metacpan.org/source/MSCHOUT/Text-Template-1.47/lib/Text
> 
> and try unpacking and installing that.  There may be a way to specify 
> particular versions with the "cpan" program, but I do not know how to do it.  
> I don't think we want "install old version of some library" to be a long term 
> solution (this will break other things eventually), but it might work for you.
> 
>> 2) Matt mentions that he installed 0.9.26 from macports, but I see only 
>> 0.9.25 (stable & develop).
> 
> To clarify, in April I updated MacPorts to the latest versions, installed the 
> packages for Demeter 0.9.25.  Then I installed Demeter 0.9.26 from source 
> code on top of that.   That might also work​, but it's probably more work 
> than most folks would want to do.​
> 
> ​Cheers,​
> 
> —Matt

Just to let you know: For other reasons, I am using fink instead of MacPorts on 
my Mac and I tried to create a package description with that for larch, but got 
stuck with some of the wx… stuff. However, sooner or later, I will have another 
go at it. Fink has a similar barrier as macPorts, as both need an installation 
of Xcode. At least, there is a GUI for the installation of packages.

Michael Schindler


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Re: [Ifeffit] using the mail list archive for mac install

[Matt Newville]

Hi Joel,

> I ran into the problem that some people seem to have with Demeter on mac
while
> upgrading to High Sierra. I found a fix on this mail list, but…

Yeah, Demeter on MacOS is a continuing challenge. Even when it can be
installed, parts of the GUI interaction are pretty buggy (I believe this
must be due to wxPerl on Mac).  MacPorts seems to need a fair amount of
attention and expects the end user to know Unix command line tools well
enough to be able to run updates and understand and react to error
messages.  For sure, it is a useful resource for developers, but it seems
like it is not really designed for deploying end-user software.

​Still​
, I don't know of a better alternative for getting Demeter working on
MacOS. I've tried many of the alternatives, and wxPerl seems to be a real
stumbling block for all of them.

> 1) I can’t download Template.pm from the archive (bin file that
uncompresses to cpgz file
> that uncompresses back to a bin file…)

I think that the advice from Luke and Bruce back in April was to try to
find and install version 1.47 of Text::Template. You might find this at
https://metacpan.org/source/MSCHOUT/Text-Template-1.47/lib/Text

and try unpacking and installing that.  There may be a way to specify
particular versions with the "cpan" program, but I do not know how to do
it.  I don't think we want "install old version of some library" to be a
long term solution (this will break other things eventually), but it might
work for you.

> 2) Matt mentions that he installed 0.9.26 from macports, but I see only
0.9.25 (stable & develop).

To clarify, in April I updated MacPorts to the latest versions, installed
the packages for Demeter 0.9.25.  Then I installed Demeter 0.9.26 from
source code on top of that.   That might also work
​, but it's probably more work than most folks would want to do.​


​Cheers,​

--Matt
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