[fsug-tvm] fsug monthly meeting on June 12.. pls suggest a venue..

[prakreet]

We had planned during the ubuntu release party to conduct a monthly
meeting of fsug on second saturdays.. Guys, thus the next meeting is
on June 12.. Time is 3pm as usual..

we had an opinion that we could conduct the meeting at a different
venue this time.. i think christ nagar school as venue of this month's
meeting would be great.. they had asked our help to install linux and
also give an intro to teachers on how to use linux.. if they could
open up their computer lab to us that day, we could have our meeting
as usual n also finish the installation at the same time.. if some of
their teachers are present that day we could also introduce linux to
them.. all in one go.. what say guys..

if this venue has to be arranged someone would have to talk with the
school authorities.. aashik n prasad sr had gone to the school n
talked with the teachers there.. so can u present this proposal to the
school authorities n post their reply here..

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Re: [fsug-tvm] how to know what kind of data is coming from internet??

[Ershad K]

An application called Etherape can help you, it's easy to use and
features a decent GUI. It even shows the protocol when some data is
being transfered.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] how to know what kind of data is coming from internet??

[Arjun Sr]

wireshark is for advanced users. you can refer the manuals for
details. or else a command line utility called tcpdump can be used.
you can install the firewall to defend
 sudo apt-get install gufw

On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 12:17 AM, raghu ram  wrote:
> i installed wireshark it is opening some windows which i am not understandi
> at al can u please help to check what is data coming
> into my system...
> how can i do firewall settings u please tell me
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Arjun Sr  wrote:
>>
>> You can also use Wireshark for analyzing packet over network
>>
>> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:44 AM, raghu ram 
>> wrote:
>> > friends here i am having some problem with bsnl connection
>> > if i kept my modem on some data is coming into my pc which is i am
>> > monitoring
>> > through system monitor and slowly with time some pulses of data is
>> > getting
>> > in to
>> > my pc. even if i iam not browsing also i am watching those pulses
>> > sometime
>> >  pulse is even half a MB of it ? how can i track that data which is
>> > getting
>> > into my pc
>> > here i am leaving my doubts
>> > 1) whether my ubuntu is touching the software sources and trying to
>> > update
>> > ??
>> > 2) Is there any chance like somebody is monitoring my pc from somewhere
>> > in
>> > the world
>> > comments suggestions are welcome..
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Re: [fsug-tvm] how to know what kind of data is coming from internet??

[raghu ram]

i installed wireshark it is opening some windows which i am not understandi
at al can u please help to check what is data coming
into my system...

how can i do firewall settings u please tell me

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Arjun Sr  wrote:

> You can also use Wireshark for analyzing packet over network
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:44 AM, raghu ram 
> wrote:
> > friends here i am having some problem with bsnl connection
> > if i kept my modem on some data is coming into my pc which is i am
> > monitoring
> > through system monitor and slowly with time some pulses of data is
> getting
> > in to
> > my pc. even if i iam not browsing also i am watching those pulses
> sometime
> >  pulse is even half a MB of it ? how can i track that data which is
> getting
> > into my pc
> > here i am leaving my doubts
> > 1) whether my ubuntu is touching the software sources and trying to
> update
> > ??
> > 2) Is there any chance like somebody is monitoring my pc from somewhere
> in
> > the world
> > comments suggestions are welcome..
> > --
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> > Vikram Sarabhai space center
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Re: [fsug-tvm] how to know what kind of data is coming from internet??

[Arjun Sr]

You can also use Wireshark for analyzing packet over network

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:44 AM, raghu ram  wrote:
> friends here i am having some problem with bsnl connection
> if i kept my modem on some data is coming into my pc which is i am
> monitoring
> through system monitor and slowly with time some pulses of data is getting
> in to
> my pc. even if i iam not browsing also i am watching those pulses sometime
>  pulse is even half a MB of it ? how can i track that data which is getting
> into my pc
> here i am leaving my doubts
> 1) whether my ubuntu is touching the software sources and trying to update
> ??
> 2) Is there any chance like somebody is monitoring my pc from somewhere in
> the world
> comments suggestions are welcome..
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Re: [fsug-tvm] developing USB device drivers

[Mohamed Naufal]

The book Linux Device Drivers might help you. It has got a chapter
specific to writing USB drivers. Google it. It is available for free
download.

Cheers
Naufal

On 5/28/10, arun ashok  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am an electronics instrumentation engineering student with no prgramming
> experience in Linux. (although very familar with ubuntu). As a part of my
> final year project, I am trying to
> develop a device(possibly an HID like a mouse) and I want to know the
> feasibility of developing a  USB device driver for that device .
>
> Or will it be a better option to write a small program to run the device on
> your own system; which of these would be a better utilisation of time??
>
> I searched google but found a lot of information which took me nowhere. Also
> want to know about the tools available in linux.
>
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[fsug-tvm] developing USB device drivers

[arun ashok]

Hi all,

I am an electronics instrumentation engineering student with no prgramming
experience in Linux. (although very familar with ubuntu). As a part of my
final year project, I am trying to
develop a device(possibly an HID like a mouse) and I want to know the
feasibility of developing a  USB device driver for that device .

Or will it be a better option to write a small program to run the device on
your own system; which of these would be a better utilisation of time??

I searched google but found a lot of information which took me nowhere. Also
want to know about the tools available in linux.

regards,
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[Vimal Joseph]

On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 15:23 +0530, Prasad SR wrote:
> I have done the tuxpaint thing. Let them start with it, this will buy
> us some time to work on other topics.
> http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/web/ChristNagar-tuxpaint.pdf 

forgot to put this link : (the new ICT text book for class 8)
http://sites.google.com/site/mathskera/jj/icttextbook8.pdf

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[Vimal Joseph]

On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 15:23 +0530, Prasad SR wrote:
> I have done the tuxpaint thing. Let them start with it, this will buy
> us some time to work on other topics.
> http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/web/ChristNagar-tuxpaint.pdf 

really good work.


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Re: [fsug-tvm] Package manager error.

[Subin Sebastian]

Make sure your sources.list is in order and error free. Then try updating
the index. If this doesn't solve your problem, try "dpkg --configure -a" to
purge and fix all packages...
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[Hiran Venugopalan]

Hi,

GIMP is bit tough to teach students of 5th standard. Well, just teach
them about brushes, selection and cropping. The basic. Don't go in
detail. The tool named pinta could be a replacement for MS Paint like
tools. I really suggest to introduce GIMP as a digital canvas, than a
photo editor to students.

Introducing Gcompris and Gbrainy to kids will also be useful.
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[Raru Rv]

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Anoop Jacob Thomas wrote:

> @raru - dont take me bad. Did you check the copyright before sending the
> thing to the list.
>
> Oh.Sorry...Am really sorry.
But I think this will help you to understand how the course is to be
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

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@raru - dont take me bad. Did you check the copyright before sending the
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[Raru Rv]

here is the contents of 5th standerd computer text.
It has 8 lessons,

   1. More On internet,(intrnet,www,email,chatting and search engine)
   2. Windows Xp,(windows xp,folders,control panel, and recyclebin)
   3. Windows accessories,(calculator,defragmentation,taskbar and start
   menu)
   4. MS Word 2007(Ms word,editing and formatting)
   5. Inserting features,(Insert pictures,Clipart,arrange,shapes and
   wordart)
   6. Ms powerpoint 2007,(Home tab,slides and shapes)
   7. Powerpoint graphics,(inserting pictures,photo album and smart art)
   8. Powerpoint animation,(Animation,Animation effects,animation
   sounds,smartart, and order and timing)

his is the contents of 5th standard text book which Sree Narayana Public
School is now following.published by,Exposoft information pvt ltd.
http://www.exposoft.in 
I will mail the contents of computer text in other classes too...If it is
not the thing which is needed then please kindly ignore.


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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[Prasad SR]

> the time is very limited, so i dont know whether this approach will work
> or not. Any way we can build an outline for the first two three chapters
> so that the school can start teaching it.
>
I have done the tuxpaint thing. Let them start with it, this will buy us
some time to work on other topics.
http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/web/ChristNagar-tuxpaint.pdf

>
>


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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[Vimal Joseph]

On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 18:49 +0530, Prasad SR wrote:
> We require volunteers who can make syllabus (for 5th standard student)
> before Monday on the following topics. 
> 0. Linux commands
> 1. Basics on Gnome DE
> 2. Tux Paint ( Im working on it)
> 3. Kturtle
> 4. GIMP
> 5. OpenOffice 

the content we created last time is at
http://enableit.in/wiki/index.php/Gnulinux4cbse

I suggest using GuidoVanRobot (http://gvr.sourceforge.net/) instead of
using kturtle. We can use the pre build lessons included with the gvr.

Also Gcompris is a very good tool for children. There is an activity to
create animations/movies with it. 

The approach should be to enable the children to use the computer for
solving problems. Just teaching the tools wont be enough for that. 

We can identify one or two activities for each of these tools and the
children will learn the required features of the tool to do that
activity. 

for example, "creating stamps for tuxpaint" can be given as an activity
for gimp. In this the children will learn how to resize image, make the
background of the image transparent etc..

for openoffice, introduce the openoffice draw first and give them
activities to build posters and charts.

the time is very limited, so i dont know whether this approach will work
or not. Any way we can build an outline for the first two three chapters
so that the school can start teaching it. 

regards,

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[fsug-tvm] developing USB device drivers

[arun ashok]

Hi all,

I am an electronics instrumentation engineering student with no prgramming
experience in Linux. (although very familar with ubuntu). As a part of my
final year project, I am trying to
develop a device(possibly an HID like a mouse) and I want to know the
feasibility of developing a  USB device driver for that device .

Or will it be a better option to write a small program to run the device on
your own system; which of these would be a better utilisation of time??

I searched google but found a lot of information which took me nowhere. Also
want to know about the tools available in linux.

regards,
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[Raru Rv]

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Anoop Jacob Thomas wrote:

> @Raru I understand a 5th std student can grasp and can be very good at
> it(upon the child's interest). But keeping in mind a classroom environment
> where a teacher's explanation is not sufficient for all and provided they
> have lot of topics to be learned in other subjects. It will be actually an
> overburden to an average school going student. And finally the student will
> be asked a lot of *theoretical* questions for the written examination. The
> child may find it really hard to memorise. And also even when we teach the
> student all these technologies the student/child is not allowed to do a
> single assignment of any subject using computers(this should be changed).
>
> I think we are planning to *introduce computer as a tool*. And for a
> student I think it will beneficial for him to learn Open Office Draw or may
> be Dia or something like that. According to the child's need in other
> subjects. I feel that GIMP is a complex tool to be introduced and
> doesn't(not 100% sure though) suit the needs of other subjects.
>
>
I agreed to that, GIMP is though. But I told that basics of gimp,that is
definition and use of tools in tool box(Not all functions but the basic
function of tools),or some like that.Open office Drwaing is a good one.But
what about pencil??


*Request:* Can you also provide a  list of topics which are covered for
> Computers in other classes, especially the lower classes. So that we
> understand how the course is designed.
>
I have the text book of computer which *I studied in lower classes.I *will
give what it contains in the next mail,Let me take the book and draft
it.Those are of CBSE,Is it needed or not?
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[Anoop Jacob Thomas]

@Raru I understand a 5th std student can grasp and can be very good at
it(upon the child's interest). But keeping in mind a classroom environment
where a teacher's explanation is not sufficient for all and provided they
have lot of topics to be learned in other subjects. It will be actually an
overburden to an average school going student. And finally the student will
be asked a lot of *theoretical* questions for the written examination. The
child may find it really hard to memorise. And also even when we teach the
student all these technologies the student/child is not allowed to do a
single assignment of any subject using computers(this should be changed).

I think we are planning to *introduce computer as a tool*. And for a student
I think it will beneficial for him to learn Open Office Draw or may be Dia
or something like that. According to the child's need in other subjects. I
feel that GIMP is a complex tool to be introduced and doesn't(not 100% sure
though) suit the needs of other subjects.

*Request:* Can you also provide a  list of topics which are covered for
Computers in other classes, especially the lower classes. So that we
understand how the course is designed.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[Raru Rv]

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Sistla Venkata Abhishek <
svabhis...@gmail.com> wrote:

> but since the topic of GIMP and TuxPaint are going on .. I would just like
> to ask something ...
>
> MS Paint .. This was one MS application with which all the basic
> requirements of painting and sketching would be fulfilled .. so ... is there
> any application under GNU which is similar to paint
>
@ Sistla Venkata Abhishek,
Why should you need to compare with Microsoft or any other ???.
GIMP is a good one.Basics can be given to 5th standard students. Once I had
told some basics to my brother who is in 5th standard and he grasp it very
easily. So I prefer GIMP.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[V. Sasi Kumar]

On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 13:09 +0530, Sistla Venkata Abhishek wrote:

> MS Paint .. This was one MS application with which all the basic
> requirements of painting and sketching would be fulfilled .. so ... is
> there any application under GNU which is similar to paint .. ?? 

xpaint, gpaint and kolourpaint are a few examples.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[Sistla Venkata Abhishek]

I know that this is not the appropriate thread to post this question .. but
since the topic of GIMP and TuxPaint are going on .. I would just like to
ask something ...

MS Paint .. This was one MS application with which all the basic
requirements of painting and sketching would be fulfilled .. so ... is there
any application under GNU which is similar to paint .. ??

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:56, V. Sasi Kumar  wrote:

> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 12:24 +0530, Anoop Jacob Thomas wrote:
> > GIMP for a 5th std student will be difficult. Learning layers and all
> > those stuff. Or what exactly are you looking for GIMP for a 5th std
> > student. (by difficult I don't mean difficult for all) -- JUST A
> > THOUGHT.
> >
> > The student needs to learn pixel, resolution and all those stuff
> > before he does anything with GIMP. Please discard if irrelevant.
>
> Yes, to understand the intricacies of raster graphics would be difficult
> for a 5th standard student. But a basic introduction to GIMP may be
> okay. Another way may be to start with TuxPaint. But a fifth class
> student may find it too child-like. Perhaps, we could first try showing
> TuxPaint and GIMP to students of class 5 and get a feedback on what they
> feel. And then we could decide which one we should start with.
>
> Best
> Sasi
>
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Volunterres required for Installation #Christ Nargar School, Vellayambalam

[V. Sasi Kumar]

On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 12:24 +0530, Anoop Jacob Thomas wrote:
> GIMP for a 5th std student will be difficult. Learning layers and all
> those stuff. Or what exactly are you looking for GIMP for a 5th std
> student. (by difficult I don't mean difficult for all) -- JUST A
> THOUGHT.
> 
> The student needs to learn pixel, resolution and all those stuff
> before he does anything with GIMP. Please discard if irrelevant.

Yes, to understand the intricacies of raster graphics would be difficult
for a 5th standard student. But a basic introduction to GIMP may be
okay. Another way may be to start with TuxPaint. But a fifth class
student may find it too child-like. Perhaps, we could first try showing
TuxPaint and GIMP to students of class 5 and get a feedback on what they
feel. And then we could decide which one we should start with.

Best
Sasi

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Free Software Foundation of India
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