from:"Narendra Sisodiya"

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:38 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > See, Public goods like public software (FOSS) can be created by industry
> and
> > public. But it will be good if public body initiate this process.
> >   I am giving the most simplest logic of
> the
> > world
> > "Govt is buying software which are under close license that means 1 dept
> > cannot share software with other department. Govt can invest same money
> in
> > creating same software and Govt can release under sharable license."
>
> Your logic is sound, but mechanism is not. For a Govt to purchase
> anything, it goes through a specific *public* process of procurement.
>
> Typically, Govt will call a tender for purchase of certain software.

Om Shanti OM.
Om Shanti OM.,

PS0: you are taking about purchase process. I am talking about  having a
Govt process/department (like Army , Police) to develop tons of hackers and
free software !!

Leave this topic.. It is difficult to understand by the virtue of Newtons
1st law (The law of Inertial)

PS1 : Inertia is a property by virtue of this property you will feel
difficulty in thinking in new direction...

PS2 : I am not going to reply in this thread !

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Forced Proprietary Standard by Trivandrum Corporation

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Adhin D  wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Narendra Sisodiya <
> naren...@narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> We invest a huge amount of public money in Army and many areas like
>> research and development. Govt already waste huge money in purchasing
>> licence to use the proprietary software. Same money can be invested in
>> development of software.
>>
>
> I think you are forgetting the fact that Free softwares doesn't always mean
> free of cost.
>

well, I can well versed into FOSS and its philosophy. I cannot state or
write all issues and all my knowledge in one mail.


>  Most of the popular free software developers demands money for the tech
> support. I think you may have noticed there are Free alternatives (open
> source) for CAD softwares which comes at a price (comparatively low).
>
> The pricing of CAD softwares as I understand, is slightly different from
> that of other softwares. They charge (in huge volumes of course) for the
> support and the software is a part (major part) of the support, not the
> other way around. Most of the CAD softwares I know were used to be
> specifically made (customized) for production industries according to their
> demand. So they are commonly known by the name CAD/CAM solutions. Now a days
> these softwares are used by individuals also and hence it seems to be
> becoming almost like any other software.
>
> I know this is not a solution for our issue. Lets not divert from the topic
> "whether we should submit a protest to the Corporation and to the State
> government or not".
>

Submit a protest and add that you want Support from Govt


> I believe as Free Software Activists we should suggest a better solution
> (if we have one) without compromising the output, and it must be quickly
> applicable. We should tell the Govt. "how" to do it, not "why" they should
> do it.
>
> Let's stop this unnecessary debate and come back to the topic...
>
> --
>


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Re: [fsug-tvm] Forced Proprietary Standard by Trivandrum Corporation

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Aveek Sen  wrote:

> I agree with Rajeev. Its not yet done by anyone across the globe.
> Putting the blame squarely on Indian government is unjustified. If
> started, people across the world will pool in. And people in
> Government departments across the world,including CDAC would work if
> something productive comes out.
>
> On 8/21/10, Rajeev J Sebastian  wrote:
> > Food and communications are not done by govt at the moment;
> > furthermore, there is no implicit responsbility on the govt to do
> > anything other than regulating industry (some would say, not even
> > that, as in Somalia, etc). Finally, if you ask Kerala Govt to hire
> > developers, then the only thing you will do is open a can of worms.
> > Also, it's not like Kerala Govt doesnt already have developers who are
> > supposed to do these things (as you think they should).
> >
> > Personally, the govt should get out of industry and leave that to the
> > people.
> >
> > Regards
> > Rajeev J Sebastian
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:18 AM, ashik salahudeen 
> wrote:
> >> The Government , as the elected body responsible to people, must hire
> >> developers to work on it and release it as free software. The thing is
> >> , the Government is there to recognize and mitigate people's needs.
> >> Just like food, water, transportaion and communication, software is
> >> also increasingly becoming a need. It is the Government's
> >> responsibility to take steps to assure that the need is filled and is
> >> not exploited by vested economic interests. With software ( unlike
> >> other resources ) the answer lies in Free Software.
> >>
>

See, Public goods like public software (FOSS) can be created by industry and
public. But it will be good if public body initiate this process.
* ** I am giving the most simplest logic of
the world*
*
*
"*Govt is buying software which are under close license that means 1 dept
cannot share software with other department. Govt can invest same money in
creating same software and Govt can release under sharable license.*"

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Forced Proprietary Standard by Trivandrum Corporation

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Adhin D  wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Narendra Sisodiya <
> naren...@narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
>
>> All intangible goods like Content/Software/Standards/Process is
>> responsibility of govt.
>>
>>
>> Statement 1 = All intangible good like e-Content/Software/Standards
>> are damm easy to share or reproduce.
>>
>> Statement 2  = Sharing or re-Production(copy paste) is always Good at zero
>> cost.
>>
>> Statement 3 = It is very difficult* for ordinary people or a company
>> to create business model of sharable intangible goods.
>>
>> Statement 4 = These goods have to be produced by public labor or
>> public money. Govt is a right body for such development.
>>
>> read more at :
>> http://right-to-software.org/About%20Right%20to%20Software
>
>
> I read your blog. It was a good one and first of all I should congratulate
> for that.
>
> But in the post, you wrote "Govt. should create it". How is that practical?
>
>

We invest a huge amount of public money in Army and many areas like research
and development. Govt already waste huge money in purchasing licence to use
the proprietary software. Same money can be invested in development of
software.

Please file RTI in govt offices and you will get to know that huge money has
been wasted in purchasing M$ and other software.

> Are we blaming the Govt. for not having any good Free CAD softwares? Is
> that Govt. fault that skilled developers work for multi-national companies
> where they are paid high and are not contributing to FOSS?
> For the time being lets imagine the Govt. is 100% dedicated...how are they
> suppose to create such a software without the support of developers?... Or
> perhaps they can pass a law that forces all the CS students/professionals in
> the nation to take part in contributing to the project before getting their
> degrees/salaries?
>
>

Forcing for freedom is as evil as forcing for crime.
until and unless  a person do not understand value of freedom, he should be
included in freedom fight.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Gmail Voice and Video Chat for Linux

2010-08-20 Thread Narendra Sisodiya

I have installed and uninstalled it.

# Google page http://www.google.com/chat/video/thankyou.html says PAtents
# Plugin is not a free software
# Pidgin with some configuration already work fine for me.

Anyway I am looking for SIP phones which work on Android TO Desktop
and Desktop to Android.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Forced Proprietary Standard by Trivandrum Corporation

2010-08-20 Thread Narendra Sisodiya

All intangible goods like Content/Software/Standards/Process is
responsibility of govt.

Statement 1 = All intangible good like e-Content/Software/Standards
are damm easy to share or reproduce.

Statement 2  = Sharing or re-Production(copy paste) is always Good at zero cost.

Statement 3 = It is very difficult* for ordinary people or a company
to create business model of sharable intangible goods.

Statement 4 = These goods have to be produced by public labor or
public money. Govt is a right body for such development.

read more at :
http://right-to-software.org/About%20Right%20to%20Software

On 8/20/10, Adhin D  wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Narendra Sisodiya <
> naren...@narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Adhin D  wrote:
>>
>>> Yup...that's true. If we are going to protest, we should have a good
>>> alternative with us.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If there are no standard or software, Govt should create them...
>>
>>
> I don't understand that statement, could you elaborate the point?
>
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Forced Proprietary Standard by Trivandrum Corporation

2010-08-20 Thread Narendra Sisodiya

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Adhin D  wrote:

> Yup...that's true. If we are going to protest, we should have a good
> alternative with us.
>
>

No, its not like that...
If there are no standard or software, Govt should create them...

"All intangible goods ( like software, standards) is the responsibility if
Government"

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Re: [fsug-tvm] [OT] Indian Currency Symbol Placement Survey

2010-08-18 Thread Narendra Sisodiya

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:00 PM, George Abraham  wrote:

> Get it on the keyboard. For all the machines sold in India, replace the $
> sign with the Ruppee.

Why $ ???
I use $ symbol in programming. they can anyway add a new key. why replace a
existing key...

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[fsug-tvm] Get Free of Cost SchoolOS DVD* (conditions apply)

2010-07-31 Thread Narendra Sisodiya

Add your address at
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGszVm5xQndhQ2VDSm9lN2Z5Sjlrdmc6MQ

SchoolOS (http://schoolos.org) is Indian Linux Distribution. It is based on
Ubuntu 9.10. Now we are offering Free ISO image of SchoolOS.

But We are offering this Free of Cost Offer to only those who want to become
SchoolOS Distributor.

After receiving SchoolOS ISO image, we will put your contact address on our
website. You will become a SchoolOS Distributor. Those who want SchoolOS
will visit your place to collect ISO image.

Also, you need not to burn DVD for anybody. If somebody ask for burning DVD,
You should or You may charge for DVD burning service (INR 100 to 200)

This will be valid upto 10 Aug 2010. Any request for free DVD after 10 Aug
2010 will not be entertained.

Please note that we will send ISO image in DVD. If you want to install
SchoolOS then you need to burn iso on a DVD or install iso on USB.

Regards

Team SchoolOS

PS: If you want to get SchoolOS DVD, without becoming SchoolOS Distributor,
you need to pay for DVD service. Please contact *feedback AT
schoolos.org*for purchasing SchoolOS media. I have already gave a
blogpost on
We are looking for SchoolOS Linux DVD Distributor & Support
Persons<http://blog.narendrasisodiya.com/2010/07/we-are-looking-for-schoolos-linux-dvd.html>But
I didn't get any response out of it.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Firefox problems.

2010-07-21 Thread Narendra Sisodiya

On 7/21/10, Sistla Venkata Abhishek  wrote:
> why losing all the data .. if pages aren't being saved ... is it the same
> for importing and exporting the bookmarks as well 

I use "Firefox Sync"
It can take backup of everything from Firefox.
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Re: [fsug-tvm] FOSS & Tshirt

2010-07-18 Thread narendra sisodiya

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:38 PM, alan alan  wrote:

> HI,
>
> I have one funny & weird doubt. Every time I go to a FOSS conference or
> event, i will get a Tshirt. Now, my wardrobe is filled with black or white
> tshirts!!
>
>
I am so jealous of you. I have only one. :(
#lol

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[fsug-tvm] QtWebkit - The fastest way to create desktop application using web technologies

2010-07-17 Thread narendra sisodiya

If you want to create desktop application and if you are aware of
web-development stuff like JavaScript, html5 etc then Qtwebkit is the most
easiest way to develop software.
In this program, I have created a small application.
Application contains 2 buttons and one webpage element. (It looks like 3
buttons but the third button is from test.html using html input elements )


read more at
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[fsug-tvm] [tip] how to view man pages in pdf format

2010-07-13 Thread narendra sisodiya

Trick to view man pages in pdf viewer
http://lug-iitd.posterous.com/tip-how-to-view-man-pages-in-pdf-format-bash

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Private Wiki

2010-07-13 Thread narendra sisodiya

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Anish A  wrote:

> I have explained the situation at start of mail.
>
> I have setup the website using drupal. I am using the wiki and private
> modules for that. It is working fine. That enables us to publish some
> of the pages as public.
>
> On 7/13/10, narendra sisodiya  wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Anish A  wrote:
>
> >> I know about mediawiki. But it is not suitable for private wikis, I
> think.
> >>
>

I am asking again. How to came to conclusion that "mediawiki is not suiabe
for private wiki". I am using it from last 2-3 years.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Private Wiki

2010-07-12 Thread narendra sisodiya

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Anish A  wrote:

>
>
>
> I know about mediawiki. But it is not suitable for private wikis, I think.
>
>
WHY///

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Private Wiki

2010-07-11 Thread narendra sisodiya

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 10:05 PM, narendra sisodiya <
naren...@narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Anish A  wrote:
>
>> Hai,
>>
>> I like to setup a private wiki in my hosting space.
>> Can I use media wiki for that? Or any other suggestions?
>>
>>
> YES !!
> I do have my private wiki using mediawiki...
>

quick google gave me the link -
http://23rdworld.com/2007/03/30/how-to-make-your-mediawiki-private/

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Private Wiki

2010-07-11 Thread narendra sisodiya

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Anish A  wrote:

> Hai,
>
> I like to setup a private wiki in my hosting space.
> Can I use media wiki for that? Or any other suggestions?
>
>
YES !!
I do have my private wiki using mediawiki...

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Can we run TurboC++ in windows7

2010-07-08 Thread narendra sisodiya

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:58 PM, deepak kumar wrote:

> Friends,
> I think you people don't understand why i posted such a question , This
> just because a lot of students  have to use it in our college labs. These
> colleges are using it because they need to do  graphics programs in c++
> ,most of the college staff are familiar  with
> TC's graphics.h and are unaware(or not want to )  of other graphics
> libraries like allegro,cimg,etc.Till  the last semester we were doing all
> our lab programming in linux but we just changed to XP only for doing some
> graphics programming in TC++. So I thought if I made a post like this lot of
> students will get an exposure to modern graphics libraries from this mailing
> list and we could  throw out  outdated TC++  form colleges.
>
>

Throw Throw... replace it with OpenGL or clutter -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutter_(toolkit)



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Re: [fsug-tvm] Can we run TurboC++ in windows7

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Ashik Salahudeen  wrote:

> Learning basic drawing api's is required for a computer science course i
> believe. Try using Allegro libraries and gcc instead of GTK/QT etc. The
> idea
> here is to get familiar with graphics alkgorithms rather than creating a
> game
> or a gui application.
>
> @Narendra, please be gentle when you answer queries.
>
>
Well, I am gentle person meet me once you will admire me a lot.
but when somebody says - 'Hey guys , this is June 2010, where we have 100+
API for programming but may you please help me out for the Adam's age API
and Application TC3 which is 20 year old and highly outdated from last 15
years' Then my mind get high frequency SHM (more on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_harmonic_motion) ...
The frequency of SHM increase when somebody ask help for windows -
For those who want help in proprietary and highly outdated technology please
visit http://help.wugnet.com/menu.html

PS: I scold my student for their benefit.. because nobody scolded me for
using TC3 to waste 4 year time period. I am very touchy at this point.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: [kanchilug] Re: [FYI] Invisible Mouse - Next Invention From Sixth Sense

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Rahul Ramesh  wrote:

> How long are we going to use screens. Screens will be replaced with
> something else like Augmented Reality in a Contact Lens.
>
>
> http://spectrum.ieee.org/biomedical/bionics/augmented-reality-in-a-contact-lens/0
>
>
I do not the exact date but I proposed that by year 2035, we all will sit in
virtual or augmented reality "Matrix"

you might like to read/listen me -
http://blog.narendrasisodiya.com/2010/06/my-fear-about-future-at-2035-matrix.html(can
you feel the danger of the technology and where we are going )

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Help On Gmail

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Vyshakh  wrote:

> Hai friends,
> Please help me.
> I need help other than LINUX.
> My Gmail inbox is cluttered with mails from various LUGs.
> Is there any way to Separate these mails from normal mails?
>
>
FOR ALL
Please do not Cross-post for small puppy questions. Are you in such a danger
mode to start discussion on 3-4 mailing lists.

Select some mail and then click More Actions and then 'fliter message like
this'

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Can we run TurboC++ in windows7

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Deepak  wrote:

> Hi Friends,
> Anyone done any graphics program  in windows7 with turbo C++ ?. Will
> it work for LCD monitor?.Is there any alternative to TurboC++ in
> Linux?
> I have heard OpenGL can use for graphics programming,Please inform if
> you used it.
> Thanks & Regards
>

WTF...

Why you are learning TC3 and graphics.h !! Why you are still reading the old
kanitkar books. Just through them into dustbin.

Learn Qt or GTK or OpenGL. well do not confuse with option. Linux always has
100+ ways to the same things.

just learn OpenGL. Go to some book market and purchase some book on OpenGL.

Download Ubuntu/SchoolOS and search for "Ubuntu + OpenGL" etc to learn how
to run opengl on your system

just code it.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: [kanchilug] Re: [FYI] Invisible Mouse - Next Invention From Sixth Sense

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:55 AM, narendra sisodiya <
narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>  PS: I think Kartik is over hyped.
>

read it as 'Pranav is over hyped' (#context == #this mail)

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: [kanchilug] Re: [FYI] Invisible Mouse - Next Invention From Sixth Sense

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:54 PM, narendra sisodiya <
naren...@narendrasisodiya.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Kartik Singhal wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:55 AM, narendra sisodiya <
>> narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> PS: I think Kartik is over hyped.
>>
>>
>> I guess you mean Pranav Mistry not Kartik Mistry.
>>
>>
> This is obvious. are you a human being ?
>

I extremely sorry. I was aiming for Pranav Mistry. So read that sentence as
'PS: I think Pranav is overhyped' both share common surname so i did the
mistake.
Its a human mental decease that sometime* we write/speak wrong thing on
screen but our mind read them properly.
@Kartik Singhal.  Thanks for pointing out mistake, it look me long to figure
out what the wrong part in my email.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: [kanchilug] Re: [FYI] Invisible Mouse - Next Invention From Sixth Sense

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Kartik Singhal wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:55 AM, narendra sisodiya <
> narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> PS: I think Kartik is over hyped.
>
>
> I guess you mean Pranav Mistry not Kartik Mistry.
>
>
This is obvious. are you a human being ?

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[fsug-tvm] Re: [kanchilug] Re: [FYI] Invisible Mouse - Next Invention From Sixth Sense

2010-07-06 Thread narendra sisodiya

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Arulalan T  wrote:

>
>
> 2010/7/6 Arulalan T 
>
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> From Sixth Sense Inventor, we no need mouse to operate computer. He
>> invented invisible mouse :-)
>>
>>
>> http://www.indianweb2.com/2010/07/inivisible-computer-mouse-yet-another-by-pranav-mistry/
>>
>>
>>
> I dont know ,will he release his inventions under open source license ?
>
>
Dude, there is no co-relation between inventions and source code.
It has to deal with patents and other things.

Source which was developed as part the developing new things can be released
under FOSS or can be closed source. but you can anyway re-develop the same
application and put under the FOSS license.

I do not think think these are new things. All you need to be a super code
in OpenCV and Image processing. All you need to track finger movement.
BUT believe me, This will be a failful invention. If we put our fingers on
mouse, it rests on mouse surface. If we lift our fingers in air, we need to
put extra force on nerves. in long run it may lead to injury
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetitive_strain_injury .

Well the coding such projects is very simple. Let me give the idea.

Put Red and Green on white surface.
Just search for OpenCV code for image reading in pixel format from webcam.
You can track the location on red and green pixel. when you will put a
finger on red circle the number of red pixel will decrease. You can put a
threshold to detect the click.

 PS: I think Kartik is over hyped.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: COMPLETELY RE-MASTERABLE Ubuntu 10.04 - modified (remastered) and added with ALL Latest Updates and patches, JUST ENOUGH Codecs, Apps and Utils WITHOUT BEING OVERLOADED [unlike Ub

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:41 PM, sreekumar r wrote:

> Sir,
> I think, Linux gives the freedom to do so.
> I appreciate your dedication towards FOSS.
> I also appreciate Anto's dedication to make Linux popular.
>
I will also appreciate, provided he remove non-distributable , non free
applications. I do not want that he got a jail for nice efforts. :)

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Re: [fsug-tvm] LINUX OS Internet Cafe Managing

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Jyothish Kumar  wrote:

> Hello friends one of my friend is planning to start an Internet cafe
> with Linux OS. But we don't know which Platform is better for that. We
> need better Multimedia as well as better browsing facilities from that
> OS. For that which will be better? Kindly help us to solve this.
>
>
Install any Linux OS. (I recommend SchoolOS)
Install VLC and Firefox Chrome Pidgin.
There must be some Internet cafe management system.

Please do not install YLMF, let then know that there exist something other
then windows too.

May be you can install something like MacBar - Cairo-deck application.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: COMPLETELY RE-MASTERABLE Ubuntu 10.04 - modified (remastered) and added with ALL Latest Updates and patches, JUST ENOUGH Codecs, Apps and Utils WITHOUT BEING OVERLOADED [unlike Ub

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 9:01 AM, sreekumar r wrote:

>
>
> If one person voluntarily spent his time and brain to make it
> layman-friendly, it should be appreciated.
>
>
There is a package called remastersys.
* Install Linux OS
* Install all the software you want
* install remastersys
* run remastersys

within 30 minute it will create Bootable ISO which you want use as a new
distro.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: COMPLETELY RE-MASTERABLE Ubuntu 10.04 - modified (remastered) and added with ALL Latest Updates and patches, JUST ENOUGH Codecs, Apps and Utils WITHOUT BEING OVERLOADED [unlike Ub

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Anto  wrote:

> Narendra,
>
> I appreciate the voice you are putting in about legality.
>
> I will research about the legality issues and will try to find a
> suitable solution.
>
>
Just remove all non-free packages. I will be happy.


>
> > Free Software is basically a mission to get rid of non-free software.
>
> FOSS is NEVER a mission to get rid of any non-free software.
> It is a revolution which shows people that it is possible to develop
> software free of cost


LOL (Big LOL)
Who the hell toldyou that RMS started FSF and GNU for creating free of cost
software ?
have you ever spent any time watching and reading him.


Moreover, I am taking about free as in Freedom dictated by 4 freedom and
Open Source definition. I am not talking about freeware.



> and yet have high quality levels, sometimes even
> more than what existing non-free software offer.
>
>
> > if you put adobe reader (let suppose you got permission to do so by
> Adobe), in this case you are taking away linux users from Okular to Adobe
> reader and thus reducing the users which use okular.
>
> I will reconsider Okular's capabilities.
>
>
> > You are exactly advertising non-free software.
>
> I am just adding in a set of some good software, be it free or non-
> free.
>

I can guess, for you Goodness of software is imp, and freeness and non-free
is not important. I guess you in wrong place. FOSS is not meant for that.
Open Office is still difficult at some point then M$ Office. why don't you
put M$ Office in your Distro if you want Good software. (be it free or
non-free)

IF you atall want GOOD SOFTWARE then FOSS may be a good choice for you. FOSS
contains GOOD + BAD software/packages. FOSS world is about creating a big
Community of Users and Developers who continuously create and modify the
FOSS software according to their need. I agree that 100% need of a user may
not be satisfied by FOSS. in that user will download non-free
(non-distributable software) by himself.
If you use 1000+ free software (free as in Freedom and not free of cost)
then you must respect other's work and do not mix non-free software.




> If you feel that I am advertising non-free software by doing this,
> then you should also mention that I am as well advertising the
> hundreds of other free software that I've included on the compilation.
>
>
>
> > "Why do use Linux, FOSS"
>
> I use Linux because I personally like both the quality of the
> software, the processes involved, and the philosophy it proclaims.
> Not because anybody else says so.
>
>
> > misusing the term freedom
>
> As I mentioned in my previous messages, Freedom has a much more wider
> meaning than what you are trying to construe out of it.
>
>
> > Hurting users who respect freedom and
>
> O Users who respect freedom, am I 'hurting' you as Narendra accuses?
> (Or is it just that Narendra is just trying to make a wave in vacuum
> and wanna ride on it?)
>
>
> > You must got bribe/money from non-free vendors like Adobe etc to promote
> their stuff
>
> You really know how to put across a joke. (Been to politics
> lately?) :-)
>
>
>
> In all Respect for True Freedom,
>
> Yours,
> Anto Jose
> ...
> Happy Computing!!!
> On Jul 1, 12:34 am, narendra sisodiya 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Anto  wrote:
> > > Hello Narendra,
> >
> > > My aim is not to create yet another 'ubuntu clone' by having gpl-only
> > > packages.
> > > Instead, I want to provide users with a more comprehensive one which
> > > provides out-of-the box functionality.
> >
> > > And about the name of FreedomX,
> > > I see Freedom not as a Symbol of Free Software, but as something more.
> > > I consider freedom as that which does not restrict/limit,
> > > and as one which opens up boundaries.
> > > One which gives the user freedom to choose amongst a wider range of
> > > packages.
> >
> > You are a totally *naive person.*
> > Freedom to give choice for software installation and giving a software
> > preinstalled is different thing.
> > Freedom to give the the choice for software installation is what ubuntu
> and
> > other distribution do. When user download non-free software, they are
> agree
> > to install without redistributing them (checkout the Terms and
> conditions).
> > When you give some software like adobe reader or picasa then you are
> > redistributing the software and thus you are doing a copyright
> infringement
> > which is a legally punishable act.
> > This is exactly same as redistributing the copy of pur

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