Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Linux haters blog
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Rahul Ramesh wrote: > A simple question! Which OS would you guys use if Windows and MAC were free > and open source just like linux distros. > GNU/Linux, because of its history. The driving force had been humanity. The generations yet to come will read history. Let them read something human. > > Regards, > Rahul > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:41 PM, nishandh M wrote: > >> @ Praveen, ya. thinking on a survey regarding problems faced, which would >> be send to some distro developers, who are open to public demands. >> >> I appreciate dividing the topic to new posts. I humbly request evrybody to >> post any further technical replies to the issues discussed in this >> conversation as different posts. >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Praveen A wrote: >> >>> 2010/5/10 Srihari k : >>> > I have the format option on right click in my ubuntu 9.10 . >>> > >>> > It might have come from some other nautilus related package i >>> installed.( >>> > So its already implemented. >>> >>> Yes, it came from gnome-disk-utility. I'm also getting the option >>> after installing this package. But it does not give ntfs option. >>> >>> Nishandh, >>> >>> Can you file a wishlist bug to add ntfs support? >>> -- >>> പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് >>> I know my rights; I want my phone call! >>> What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? >>> (as seen on /.) >>> >>> -- >>> "Freedom is the only law". >>> "Freedom Unplugged" >>> http://www.ilug-tvm.org >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "ilug-tvm" group. >>> To control your subscription visit >>> http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe >>> To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> >>> >>> >>> For details visit the google group page: >>> http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> #//# >> "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" >> Leonardo da Vinci >> >> #//# >> >> -- >> "Freedom is the only law". >> "Freedom Unplugged" >> http://www.ilug-tvm.org >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "ilug-tvm" group. >> To control your subscription visit >> http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe >> To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> >> >> >> For details visit the google group page: >> http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en >> > > -- > "Freedom is the only law". > "Freedom Unplugged" > http://www.ilug-tvm.org > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "ilug-tvm" group. > To control your subscription visit > http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe > To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > > For details visit the google group page: > http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en > -- #//# "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Linux haters blog
A simple question! Which OS would you guys use if Windows and MAC were free and open source just like linux distros. Regards, Rahul On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:41 PM, nishandh M wrote: > @ Praveen, ya. thinking on a survey regarding problems faced, which would > be send to some distro developers, who are open to public demands. > > I appreciate dividing the topic to new posts. I humbly request evrybody to > post any further technical replies to the issues discussed in this > conversation as different posts. > > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Praveen A wrote: > >> 2010/5/10 Srihari k : >> > I have the format option on right click in my ubuntu 9.10 . >> > >> > It might have come from some other nautilus related package i >> installed.( >> > So its already implemented. >> >> Yes, it came from gnome-disk-utility. I'm also getting the option >> after installing this package. But it does not give ntfs option. >> >> Nishandh, >> >> Can you file a wishlist bug to add ntfs support? >> -- >> പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് >> I know my rights; I want my phone call! >> What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? >> (as seen on /.) >> >> -- >> "Freedom is the only law". >> "Freedom Unplugged" >> http://www.ilug-tvm.org >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "ilug-tvm" group. >> To control your subscription visit >> http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe >> To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> >> >> >> For details visit the google group page: >> http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en >> > > > > -- > > > #//# > "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" > Leonardo da Vinci > > #//# > > -- > "Freedom is the only law". > "Freedom Unplugged" > http://www.ilug-tvm.org > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "ilug-tvm" group. > To control your subscription visit > http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe > To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > > For details visit the google group page: > http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en > -- "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Linux haters blog
@ Praveen, ya. thinking on a survey regarding problems faced, which would be send to some distro developers, who are open to public demands. I appreciate dividing the topic to new posts. I humbly request evrybody to post any further technical replies to the issues discussed in this conversation as different posts. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Praveen A wrote: > 2010/5/10 Srihari k : > > I have the format option on right click in my ubuntu 9.10 . > > > > It might have come from some other nautilus related package i > installed.( > > So its already implemented. > > Yes, it came from gnome-disk-utility. I'm also getting the option > after installing this package. But it does not give ntfs option. > > Nishandh, > > Can you file a wishlist bug to add ntfs support? > -- > പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് > I know my rights; I want my phone call! > What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? > (as seen on /.) > > -- > "Freedom is the only law". > "Freedom Unplugged" > http://www.ilug-tvm.org > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "ilug-tvm" group. > To control your subscription visit > http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe > To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > > For details visit the google group page: > http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en > -- #//# "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" Leonardo da Vinci #//# -- "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Linux haters blog
2010/5/10 Srihari k : > I have the format option on right click in my ubuntu 9.10 . > > It might have come from some other nautilus related package i installed.( > So its already implemented. Yes, it came from gnome-disk-utility. I'm also getting the option after installing this package. But it does not give ntfs option. Nishandh, Can you file a wishlist bug to add ntfs support? -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് I know my rights; I want my phone call! What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Linux haters blog
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Praveen A wrote: > 2010/5/10 Praveen A : >> 1. Handle ntfs drives easily. > > I had no issues with accessing the ntfs formatted drive. I could write > to it without entering any passwords. I run Debian, but we should find > out why it is not possible in Ubuntu. > >> 2. Format drives with a right click from file manager. > > I had to run mkfs.ntfs on the drive from command line. Now I think > this should really be an option from nautilus. > > The first step to get this fixed is to tell the developers the current > situation can be made easier. So I reported this bug to nautilus > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618272 > > We will see if they respond, but meanwhile how about fixing this > ourselves? Any volunteers to work on this project? > > We will need to add 'Format' to the menu. Currently it has 'Mount' or > 'Unmount', 'Eject' and 'Safely Remove'. When clicked on format, we > will have to offer an option to choose a desired file system, as a > first step we should offer file systems available in the system, as an > advanced use case we could offer to install new file systems. > > Then it should have a tick box for quick format, that should be > enabled by default. > > Once we get all the options we should run mkfs with given option with > given options. We should give visual progress of the process and > should find out if mkfs has any apis. Adding APIs to mkfs, if it is > not there already can be another project. I have the format option on right click in my ubuntu 9.10 . It might have come from some other nautilus related package i installed.( So its already implemented. > I hope some of you are interested to fix this. > -- > പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് > I know my rights; I want my phone call! > What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? > (as seen on /.) > > -- > "Freedom is the only law". > "Freedom Unplugged" > http://www.ilug-tvm.org > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "ilug-tvm" group. > To control your subscription visit > http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe > To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > > For details visit the google group page: > http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en > -- Srihari K -- "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Linux haters blog
2010/5/10 Praveen A : > 1. Handle ntfs drives easily. I had no issues with accessing the ntfs formatted drive. I could write to it without entering any passwords. I run Debian, but we should find out why it is not possible in Ubuntu. > 2. Format drives with a right click from file manager. I had to run mkfs.ntfs on the drive from command line. Now I think this should really be an option from nautilus. The first step to get this fixed is to tell the developers the current situation can be made easier. So I reported this bug to nautilus https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618272 We will see if they respond, but meanwhile how about fixing this ourselves? Any volunteers to work on this project? We will need to add 'Format' to the menu. Currently it has 'Mount' or 'Unmount', 'Eject' and 'Safely Remove'. When clicked on format, we will have to offer an option to choose a desired file system, as a first step we should offer file systems available in the system, as an advanced use case we could offer to install new file systems. Then it should have a tick box for quick format, that should be enabled by default. Once we get all the options we should run mkfs with given option with given options. We should give visual progress of the process and should find out if mkfs has any apis. Adding APIs to mkfs, if it is not there already can be another project. I hope some of you are interested to fix this. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് I know my rights; I want my phone call! What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Linux haters blog
2010/5/10 nishandh M : > If linux needs to be adopted by desktop users, it needs to be much more user > friendly (nobody argues) Nishandh, OK, lets make it user friendly, are you game? I think the first step is to identify specific policy issues. Just saying it ain't user friendly, isn't enough. I could see we already have one use case. 1. Handle ntfs drives easily. So I thought I will try with my USB drive, it is vfat. So I want to format it to ntfs. Here goes our use case 2. 2. Format drives with a right click from file manager. Lets take this a pilot case. How can we fix these two? Option 1 - keep saying Linux is not user friendly and hope someone would fix it But how would the dev know of specific issues? This is so silly won't they already know? Well, if it ain't broken, don't fix it? But is isn't it already broken? Show us the bug report. Now I agree it is not an easy task for newbies to report bugs. So how do we fix this? I guess they are OK to mail it here - or someone who knows the issue can mail it here. Now how many here can volunteer to report bugs? I can help those who are interested, I know there are others who can help too. Just raise your hands if you want to help with filing bugs. Now is even more difficult task, what if they don't respond to the bugs? Well, we have to fix it ourselves. Again we need people to volunteer. There will be help to get started and understand. We will track this project here http://www.fosscommunity.in/wiki/If_linux_needs_to_be_adopted_by_desktop_users,_it_needs_to_be_much_more_user_friendly_%28nobody_argues%29 If anyone is interested to give a shorter name, that is fine too. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് I know my rights; I want my phone call! What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) -- "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Linux haters blog
hi friends, there is a lot decrease in my confusion, thanks to the efforts. @ Sebin "try changin distros" is not practical every now and then, when u would like the system to be put to practical purposes. I havent changed the ditro, but installed an ArtistX, which has most of the tools pre insatlled. when it comes to a little twaeking with the help of mailing list, it counts how popular the distro is. Am gonna get an ArchLinux though.thanks. please try answering the core problem, and not with exceptions. i have stated its not the specific technical issue, its the policy and logic. I did put a (*) on 'user' in earlier post,but forgot to explain it there. I meant novices and users of applied software in FOSS Fact: this mailing list is driven by real committed developers (hats off to evrybody of them, and expecting consistent supprt). but begginer / applied users of linux is the majority when we step out into the society. People running to make bread, but are ready to spend a minute for us, who explains our vision about th world, our vision about freedom. Most of these users likes the libre philosophy more, even than the usability of GNU/Linux distros. If linux needs to be adopted by desktop users, it needs to be much more user friendly (nobody argues) @bipin Kumar, thanks,ur comment : "*However techie people who have been using linux for a long time tend give advices involving use of terminals when one asks for help because they are comfortable /accustomed with it" . * expalins it... so how are we going to work it out? developers cant invest all their time in answering. Can we stick to the following approach (these are already stated many places else where, i am not stating any of these as my virgin theories, my problem is a frustration with using an XP which i din pay for, but getting more perspired wen i try switching to FOSS, compromising my performance in my career The absolute problem is illogical policies and wastage of time in dispersed efforts in FOSS arena): *Let Distros like Linux mint be made the most user friendly of the OSes, compromising slight levels of performance.(memory/processor hungry)and distors like Debian be maintained developer friendly with text based efficiency ?* What about making a resolution about the priorities for support to specific distros ? thru ilug-tvm? it seems ubuntu is the main thrust. then why cantilug tvm release a derivative of it own, with ammendments and policies of the list implemented, before Canonical approves it/cant approve for policy reasons? example is the video edit suite Cinelerra, run by Heroine Virtual, but later forked into to derivatives, the The Cinelerra CV(community maintained version and Cinelerra HV by heroine virtual). Cinelerra CV is adopted by professionals, as HV is often late in approving changes. what are the parctical difficulties as far as we, the ilug-tvm and members are concernd? (this is gonna be hot, we have different opinions about Novell and Canonical and others) can we discus the pros and cons here? or in a seperate topic? this shud not divide us, we do it very healthy. I would like to support the following view: Evrybody of us tolerate installing the distro which is selected by the mailing list as the supproted distro.( freedom to have a Win or Mac or a Kalyway too remains uncompromised) high perfomance computing can be made practical by switching up to base run levels. At the same time speak to begginers in more readable language,atleast when they specifically make such request? is *Linux Mint* good enuf to meet both end extremes? the user freindlines as well as running at barebones environment?also license issues support availability / reach. *I expect opinions for those text in purple* *if we dont mind user friendliness, we may face the crowd holding Novell flags day after tomarow.* On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:33 AM, bipin kumar wrote: > as person using computers from DOS era i will say that linux is user > friendly as any other OS (i've to admit my initial foray into linux > had some difficulties). the percieved lack user friendliness can be > attributed to users understanding of computers. for a person > conditioned in using windows, if he has type a document he will as > "where is microsoft word?" and not word processor same goes for media > players, document viewers etc. as usage of terminals are concerned 99% > of tasks in linux can be done without use of a terminal, However > techie people who have been using linux for a long time tend give > advices involving use of terminals when one asks for help because they > are comfortable/accustomed with it. > > regarding asking for admin password for taking action, increase the > UAC access level higher in vista/win7 and u will see it too will ask > for admin password if u are not logged in as admin in the first place > > Bottom line if you put a novice who hasnt touched a computer in his > life time He/She wil find Linux, windows or Mac OS si
[fsug-tvm] Re: Linux haters blog
as person using computers from DOS era i will say that linux is user friendly as any other OS (i've to admit my initial foray into linux had some difficulties). the percieved lack user friendliness can be attributed to users understanding of computers. for a person conditioned in using windows, if he has type a document he will as "where is microsoft word?" and not word processor same goes for media players, document viewers etc. as usage of terminals are concerned 99% of tasks in linux can be done without use of a terminal, However techie people who have been using linux for a long time tend give advices involving use of terminals when one asks for help because they are comfortable/accustomed with it. regarding asking for admin password for taking action, increase the UAC access level higher in vista/win7 and u will see it too will ask for admin password if u are not logged in as admin in the first place Bottom line if you put a novice who hasnt touched a computer in his life time He/She wil find Linux, windows or Mac OS similar in terms of user friendliness On May 9, 11:21 am, Sebin Jacob wrote: > Dear Nisandh, > > Till this day, I haven't once used command line to mount an NTFS external > drive in my arch linux machine. I have a WD external hard disk, which is > password protected in windows, but opens up even without asking any password > in my arch machine. I had also opened several other external hard disks in > this system, most of which were only used before with windows. So your > problem may not be that generic. Try changing distros man, or at least, your > DE. Think beyond Ubuntu. > > -- > "Freedom is the only law". > "Freedom Unplugged"http://www.ilug-tvm.org > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "ilug-tvm" group. > To control your subscription > visithttp://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe > To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For details visit the google group > page:http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -- "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To control your subscription visit http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/subscribe To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en
