[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-13 Thread sooraj kenoth
One of the most commen raider is the inertia:

the user may be well aware about the advantages of the free softaware but
not ready to switch. The following may be the reasons:

fear

is it usable for me? Or is it useful?

Can i share my files to my friends with the new system(eg:-.doc)

can i those tools “like XYZ”, eventhough i'm not using it?

User interface:

the commonly available free operating system is based on GNU/linux.

The file system is different from that of windows. Most of the people starts
with windows and they are familer with that real “abc” (of) partition
system, by ibm (not sure, but i think >>4 primary partitions).

Nobody is ready to learn the concept of mounting and unmounting the file
system. They ask, where is “my computer, where is the hard disk”

Everybody want to get sytem of installation like double clicking on
setup.exe.

Avilable applications:

most of the commenly used proffessional apllication has only windows
version.

If substitutes are available nobody is ready to take the risk, of changing
the environment.

What we can do?

Give them a full demo with a fully customized version(having all codecs, and
powerful and useful application, preferably with GUI)


 make their windows installation maximum leagel

you may give the following application, by this you can gain their trust.

   -

   open office
   -

   FireFox
   -

   FDM(free download manager)
   -

   vlc player
   -

   total video player(i'm not sure that vlc has 3gp support, especially in
   windows)\
   -

   foxit reader(not free but very fast even in 128RAM)
   -

   infra recorder
   -

   image burn
   -

   7zip
   -

   ccleaner
   -

   some free game(if they are gamers)

 from my experience please don't install “clamwin-antivirus”

if they have pen drive you can show how virus can't affect GNU/Linux system.


2009/7/13 sooraj kenoth 

> i think and i feel most of us not a simple free software user but free
> software promoter.
>
> here we can share our experience and tips in coveting a user into
> free-software user.
>

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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-13 Thread vinod venugopal
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On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:52 PM, sooraj kenoth wrote:

> i think and i feel most of us not a simple free software user but free
> software promoter.
>
> here we can share our experience and tips in coveting a user into
> free-software user.
>
> >
>

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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-14 Thread BINNY THOMAS
It is a very slow process. Giving them the option of dual boot is a good way
to start the migration. They can start using Linux for web browsing and
cleaning viruses. If they require window specific they can boot into
windows.


Regards
Binny
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:55 PM, sooraj kenoth wrote:

> One of the most commen raider is the inertia:
>
> the user may be well aware about the advantages of the free softaware but
> not ready to switch. The following may be the reasons:
>
> fear
>
> is it usable for me? Or is it useful?
>
> Can i share my files to my friends with the new system(eg:-.doc)
>
> can i those tools “like XYZ”, eventhough i'm not using it?
>
> User interface:
>
> the commonly available free operating system is based on GNU/linux.
>
> The file system is different from that of windows. Most of the people
> starts with windows and they are familer with that real “abc” (of) partition
> system, by ibm (not sure, but i think >>4 primary partitions).
>
> Nobody is ready to learn the concept of mounting and unmounting the file
> system. They ask, where is “my computer, where is the hard disk”
>
> Everybody want to get sytem of installation like double clicking on
> setup.exe.
>
> Avilable applications:
>
> most of the commenly used proffessional apllication has only windows
> version.
>
> If substitutes are available nobody is ready to take the risk, of changing
> the environment.
>
> What we can do?
>
> Give them a full demo with a fully customized version(having all codecs,
> and powerful and useful application, preferably with GUI)
>
>
>  make their windows installation maximum leagel
>
> you may give the following application, by this you can gain their trust.
>
>-
>
>open office
>-
>
>FireFox
>-
>
>FDM(free download manager)
>-
>
>vlc player
>-
>
>total video player(i'm not sure that vlc has 3gp support, especially in
>windows)\
>-
>
>foxit reader(not free but very fast even in 128RAM)
>-
>
>infra recorder
>-
>
>image burn
>-
>
>7zip
>-
>
>ccleaner
>-
>
>some free game(if they are gamers)
>
>  from my experience please don't install “clamwin-antivirus”
>
> if they have pen drive you can show how virus can't affect GNU/Linux
> system.
>
>
> 2009/7/13 sooraj kenoth 
>
> i think and i feel most of us not a simple free software user but free
>> software promoter.
>>
>> here we can share our experience and tips in coveting a user into
>> free-software user.
>>
>
>
> >
>

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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-14 Thread Visakh

Hi,

On Jul 14, 9:09 pm, BINNY THOMAS  wrote:
> It is a very slow process. Giving them the option of dual boot is a good way
> to start the migration. They can start using Linux for web browsing and
> cleaning viruses. If they require window specific they can boot into
> windows.

  How about making it even slower? Introduce free software on Windoz.
Take a look at this:

http://www.opensourcewindows.org/

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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-15 Thread Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS
Telling the hidden cost behind proprietary software is another good idea. A
good example is vista online registration in which you may use the key only
once. What if the system crashed and no image backup (which is also
illegal). Many other points like the source visibility could be explained
even to beginners.
Yes, For those stick with windows afraid of the interface change good idea
is introducing firefox , gimp etc.. in windows itself and finally they will
be happy to use the same in linux. Also telling the piracy and cost of the
extra applications they may use (eg:photoshop) and telling the opensource
alternative.


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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-16 Thread Adhin D
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Visakh  wrote:

>
>   How about making it even slower? Introduce free software on Windoz.
> Take a look at this:
>
> http://www.opensourcewindows.org/
>
> I think this may not be effective, as they can't make out the difference
between free & open source. Also they dont know what to do with the source.
They only bother whether softwares are available free of cost.

In my opinion we should start with Linux itself (as linux is the best
example of Open source). Dual booting is certainly a good option. I was able
to convince more than 15 of my friends to use linux within past 8 months, &
they are recommending their friends too.

Start with telling them 'viruses have no effect on linux'.
Then 'piracy'.
Then 'security', 'speed' & other stuff.
Finally open source.

This proved effective for me.

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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-16 Thread Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS
Visakh, good analysis this will help like a homework before going for such
conversion. After all initiative should not be failed. I think the thread
should be active with more ideas and counter points.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Adhin D  wrote:

>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Visakh  wrote:
>
>>
>>   How about making it even slower? Introduce free software on Windoz.
>> Take a look at this:
>>
>> http://www.opensourcewindows.org/
>>
>> I think this may not be effective, as they can't make out the difference
> between free & open source. Also they dont know what to do with the source.
> They only bother whether softwares are available free of cost.
>
> In my opinion we should start with Linux itself (as linux is the best
> example of Open source). Dual booting is certainly a good option. I was able
> to convince more than 15 of my friends to use linux within past 8 months, &
> they are recommending their friends too.
>
> Start with telling them 'viruses have no effect on linux'.
> Then 'piracy'.
> Then 'security', 'speed' & other stuff.
> Finally open source.
>
> This proved effective for me.
>
>
> >
>


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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-17 Thread BINNY THOMAS
The best time to convince them will be when their windoze machines are
infected with something annoying and have to format their disk completely,
or they have gone for automatic updates and Microshaft has discovered that
they don't have genuine windoze.

2009/7/17 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS 

> Visakh, good analysis this will help like a homework before going for such
> conversion. After all initiative should not be failed. I think the thread
> should be active with more ideas and counter points.
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Adhin D wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Visakh  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>   How about making it even slower? Introduce free software on Windoz.
>>> Take a look at this:
>>>
>>> http://www.opensourcewindows.org/
>>>
>>> I think this may not be effective, as they can't make out the difference
>> between free & open source. Also they dont know what to do with the source.
>> They only bother whether softwares are available free of cost.
>>
>> In my opinion we should start with Linux itself (as linux is the best
>> example of Open source). Dual booting is certainly a good option. I was able
>> to convince more than 15 of my friends to use linux within past 8 months, &
>> they are recommending their friends too.
>>
>> Start with telling them 'viruses have no effect on linux'.
>> Then 'piracy'.
>> Then 'security', 'speed' & other stuff.
>> Finally open source.
>>
>> This proved effective for me.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-17 Thread Adhin D
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:41 PM, BINNY THOMAS  wrote:

> The best time to convince them will be when their windoze machines are
> infected with something annoying and have to format their disk completely,
> or they have gone for automatic updates and Microshaft has discovered that
> they don't have genuine windoze.


I agree with that...

Also I think we should avoid the 'Command Line' while we are talking to
them, as they will think that they need to become an expert to run linux.
I think we should stick to GUI alternatives first to convince them. Once
they get interested in the subject, they will soon switch to command line.

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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-17 Thread Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS
Yes , 'command line' is a good point where we have to take care. I remember
those days when gave class for the syllabus followed by leading IT
institution(not advt the name here ;) ).
In that windows was covered with GUI topics and students are more active on
the class were as Linux topics only included command line operations which
all hate to study,

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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-17 Thread sooraj kenoth
for convenience and for getting exemptions, let us focus on "*legal and
secure* system" instead of "system with only free software"

we can say good graphics, and fast response even under lower resources.
no need waste power and time for virus scan.

let avoid the use "piracy".
also use GNU/linux instead of "linux"

2009/7/18 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS 

> Yes , 'command line' is a good point where we have to take care. I remember
> those days when gave class for the syllabus followed by leading IT
> institution(not advt the name here ;) ).
> In that windows was covered with GUI topics and students are more active on
> the class were as Linux topics only included command line operations which
> all hate to study,
>
> >
>

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[fsug-tvm] Re: How to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-18 Thread Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS
Where i can download those posters ?


On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Visakh  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> On Jul 17, 8:54 am, Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS 
> wrote:
> > After all initiative should not be failed.
>
>  You are right! Thinking about it, we haven't conducted any promo
> activities lately. The installfests, seminars etc all were some time
> back. Installfests are suspended for now, but we are also back to
> working individually. This is something to talk about at the meeting.
>
> > I think the thread
> > should be active with more ideas and counter points.
>
>  Agreed! The more innovative ideas we come up with to promote FOSS,
> the better. Infact, points presented by Adhin seems very interesting.
>
>  Another point I wish to add is that promo by talking has a limited
> effect. Promos need to have a visual appeal as well. The posters
> developed by a few of the FSUG members for the last installfest were
> really visually pleasing. If we could convert that into a slide show
> or a themed video presentation and embed them in blogs, it would be a
> great attraction. There may also be other ready made presentations
> that we can use this way.
>
> Regards,
> Gokul Das
> >
>


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[fsug-tvm] Re: How to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-19 Thread Prasad SR
Some of the previous promo materials made by lug members can be found here
http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/files?hl=en

But its not sorted. We have enough physical presence now we should really
concentrate on our web based promotions. And there we can have each users
blog and there contributions. What say guys??


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[fsug-tvm] Re: How to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-19 Thread Aneesh A
Best way is to go with FSUG wesite, that we will discuss today.

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Prasad SR  wrote:

>
> Some of the previous promo materials made by lug members can be found here
> http://groups.google.co.in/group/ilug-tvm/files?hl=en
>
> But its not sorted. We have enough physical presence now we should really
> concentrate on our web based promotions. And there we can have each users
> blog and there contributions. What say guys??
>
>
> --
> --
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>
> Prasad.S.R
>
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> Or tell me how you want it done. Not both.
> If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself."
>
>
>
> >
>


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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-19 Thread BINNY THOMAS
Yes we have to avoid command lines at all cost. I was in the process of
convincing a guy to switch to Linux, but when he saw another Xperienced
Linux friend using A Command Line he dropped the whole idea.

Netcafes are a good place to start spreading awareness of Linux. The only
problem is to try and  convince the  cafe owners to change.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM, sooraj kenoth wrote:

> for convenience and for getting exemptions, let us focus on "*legal and
> secure* system" instead of "system with only free software"
>
> we can say good graphics, and fast response even under lower resources.
> no need waste power and time for virus scan.
>
> let avoid the use "piracy".
> also use GNU/linux instead of "linux"
>
> 2009/7/18 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS 
>
> Yes , 'command line' is a good point where we have to take care. I remember
>> those days when gave class for the syllabus followed by leading IT
>> institution(not advt the name here ;) ).
>> In that windows was covered with GUI topics and students are more active
>> on the class were as Linux topics only included command line operations
>> which all hate to study,
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-20 Thread Aneesh A
we have convinced a cafe owner. He will migrate shortly.



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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-20 Thread BINNY THOMAS
Congratulations and Best of Luck. If he does allow you to install Linux in
his machines, do tell us how you proceeded with it.which distro you
used,which CMS the chat clients you used and all the important stuff.


Regards
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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-20 Thread Adhin D
is it possible to hav an install fest during onam holidays or pooja
holidays?

i think there might be some sort of exhibitions as a part of onam fest...if
we could grab a stall , i think it'll be great. we'll get more audience...

i dont know whether it is possible...i'm just saying

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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-20 Thread Visakh

Hi,
  Installfests are suspended for now. Chances that the regular
volunteers will agree to another one, is pretty slim. The idea of an
exhibition is a good idea- but again, initiative matters. First and
foremost, we need to arrange a venue. Something tells me, this isn't
as easy as we think. Next, we need preparation on the scale of our
installfests. We do have experience with this. But, looking at how
things stand now, I can't say I am very optimistic about it.

Regards,
Gokul Das

On Jul 21, 8:22 am, Adhin D  wrote:
> is it possible to hav an install fest during onam holidays or pooja
> holidays?
>
> i think there might be some sort of exhibitions as a part of onam fest...if
> we could grab a stall , i think it'll be great. we'll get more audience...
>
> i dont know whether it is possible...i'm just saying

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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-23 Thread V. Sasi Kumar

On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 23:30 -0700, Visakh wrote:

>   Installfests are suspended for now. Chances that the regular
> volunteers will agree to another one, is pretty slim. The idea of an
> exhibition is a good idea- but again, initiative matters. First and
> foremost, we need to arrange a venue. Something tells me, this isn't
> as easy as we think. Next, we need preparation on the scale of our
> installfests. We do have experience with this. But, looking at how
> things stand now, I can't say I am very optimistic about it.

If people are looking for some activity, what about conducting training
in using GNU/Linux for beginners? There are several people looking for
such training. It seems that many advertisements for Research Fellows or
jobs in research institutes now-a-days ask for knowledge of "Linux".

Best
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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-23 Thread ashik salahudeen
I think we should think more on these lines . Training people is a very good
idea.

If people are looking for some activity, what about conducting training

> in using GNU/Linux for beginners? There are several people looking for
> such training.
>

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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-23 Thread Prasad SR
But what about the facility to do such activities in along run. Schools labs
can be used for a day or so, further i don't think they may entertain us,
unless we are ready to pay them a considerably good amount. If we can we
have to take a lab for a lease period so that we can have full control.


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[fsug-tvm] Re: how to convert a user into free-software?

2009-07-23 Thread V. Sasi Kumar

On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 07:00 +0530, Prasad SR wrote:
> 
> But what about the facility to do such activities in along run.
> Schools labs can be used for a day or so, further i don't think they
> may entertain us, unless we are ready to pay them a considerably good
> amount. If we can we have to take a lab for a lease period so that we
> can have full control.

What kind of activity did you mean here? People will be willing to pay
for many things. So our activity could earn the money required to run
it. And people would be happier that way, especially if charge a
moderate rate, because people tend to think that what they get free of
cost will be inferior.

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Free Software Foundation of India
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