Re: [Ilugc] Help : Linux/Unix - @ char problem in command line
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008, carti wrote: In Linux / unix, when I tried to type @ character, it is either taking/consider as ^c OR backspace. 1. Check your KB Layout 2. Try to set TERM=linux 3. Is it happening on all type terminal (konsole,xterm,gnome-term,..) Bye :) -- Bharathi S ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] FW: feedback regarding FSB session by Abhas
From: Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:25 AM To: 'Free Software Users Group - Bangalore'; 'ILUG-C'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: feedback regarding FSB session by Abhas To add few more lines to the previous mail, The session talked about the business model also. Money can be earned using free software by charging for the services, making maintenance contracts, customization, localization upgrades. Abhas mentioned an important business point in the model where we need to be careful about is that maintenance contract should be for the released version of the software and should not cover the defects due to additional changes made by the customer to the software. On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Balaji Srinivasan [EMAIL PROTECTED] BLOCKED::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Senthil, The talk by Abhas was inspiring. Till now when someone says free software, I only connect to cost (it is free of cost), but after this session, I appreciate the deeper meaning behind the word free software and it is about free to use, free to distribute and free to modify by the consumer. In one sense the talk was quite philosophical (more of values) than sharing more of practical business. Now people who attended the session know the principles of free software, I will be happy if there is one more session which covers the business model in depth, the practical difficulties faced and the lessons learned, so that more people get encouraged about doing this as a business. regards Balaji ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Help : Linux/Unix - @ char problem in command line
Bharathi Subramanian wrote: On Mon, 9 Jun 2008, carti wrote: In Linux / unix, when I tried to type @ character, it is either taking/consider as ^c OR backspace. 1. Check your KB Layout 2. Try to set TERM=linux 3. Is it happening on all type terminal (konsole,xterm,gnome-term,..) Bye :) Hi Bharathi Thank you for the quick response. KB layout is standard US layout. It happened in C Shell and Kornshell. Happened in AIX as well as Caldera Linux in command line in normal terminal emulator putty as well as in x-windows(xterm). I could not try in other stuff. Thanks carti ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Check out my Facebook profile- Security issues
certainly, both google and facebook can/should certainly improve their privacy policies and security features. All these are community built sites --- without the large community of users they would be nothing. This even applies to gmail. they have the numbers. that puts them right where they want. they can dictate now. As long as we don't have the numbers, what we say is only a ideology. there isn't much we can do about it. The basic issue is that of controlling your own data in unequal relationships. So it is wrong to think (as many people do) that they are providing a free service. Their service is built out of the large number of people who have invested their time and data into it. What are we going to do about? what do you propose? However, it _is_ an unequal relationship. As soon as you loose connectivity to the service, they have your data and you have ... nothing! That is, unless you regularly backup all _your_ data from gmail to a local disk. That doesn't sound very healthy for anyone. I don't think it would be a good move from google's side. if google screws everyone, everyone screws google. but i don't know how business can work and it may turn in their favor. ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Check out my Facebook profile- Security issues
Hello, On Mon, 09 Jun 2008, Sarad AV wrote: they have the numbers. that puts them right where they want. they can dictate now. The tyranny of the majority! :-) As long as we don't have the numbers, what we say is only a ideology. there isn't much we can do about it. ^^^ That is certainly not true. Since there is a mukta O/S and a mukta network to connect to we do have a choice and we can exercise it. What are we going to do about? what do you propose? Answer: That is, unless you regularly backup all _your_ data from gmail to a local disk. You can at least do this. Backup your data. It _is_ your data and external USB storage is not too expensive. Incremental backup does not use too much bandwidth. Write some pipe or plugin to do this and make it a floss project. I don't think it would be a good move from google's side. if google screws everyone, everyone screws google. but i don't know how business can work and it may turn in their favor. To violate freedom, Google or any other public service provider does not need to turn the screws on everyone; they need to do it only to a few people. Let me explain with examples. 1. There are many more MS users (at least one order of magnitude) who exchange documents and e-mail than non-MS users. So MS _can_ and _does_ make life difficult for all non-MS users by using proprietary and undocumented formats for documents. Don't even get me started on IE-only web sites! 2. Blu-ray is a technology currently not supported (AFAIK) on FLOSS platforms. Suppose that data distributors tomorrow decided to support only Blu-ray since _most_ users do not use FLOSS? In both cases, the majority of users are not affected. Only the eccentric few! So it is important that we support freedom for _everyone_, not just for the majority of users. Some other solutions: A. It is possible to setup pooled community servers and services. I read about a group called SAGE (Australian System Administrator's Group?)[1] which does this. B. Avoid monopolies. If your friend uses Gmail then insist on using Yahoo! and complain loudly if the two services do not co-operate. More choice is mostly better! Other people on this list might come up with more suggestions. Regards, Kapil. [1] Not to be confused with the free mathematical computation package called SAGE. -- ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Check out my Facebook profile- Security issues
Hai, As long as we don't have the numbers, what we say is only a ideology. there isn't much we can do about it. ^^^ That is certainly not true. Since there is a mukta O/S and a mukta network to connect to we do have a choice and we can exercise it. Yes, thats the first step. To truly exercise freedom, we require others to be free because we live in a society of dependence. Hence we still need the numbers. There is a need to produce programs with extremely simple user interface for non-tech folks who use the computer. More importantly they cannot be ignored. From a security stand point, our security is as good as its weakest link, the non-tech user. From an OS stand point, Microsoft windows is extremely easy to navigate for a non-tech user. Our free OS is not still there yet. You can at least do this. Backup your data. It _is_ your data and external USB storage is not too expensive. Incremental backup does not use too much bandwidth. Write some pipe or plugin to do this and make it a floss project. that is a good foss project idea. there apparently is something on that lines http://code.google.com/p/gmail-backup/ B. Avoid monopolies. If your friend uses Gmail then insist on using Yahoo! and complain loudly if the two services do not co-operate. More choice is mostly better! Its designed not to work. All the 'free extra services' can be exercised only if you stick to one of them. Using two different services for the same thing now becomes grossly inconvenient. Cheers, Sarad. ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT] open source certifications ?
Dear friends, I have a problem and I have no way to turn. Perhaps ILUGC can help? I sell network appliances running open source software. However I am told that companies need certified appliances for surviving audits. Apparently firewalls like Fortigate already have certification. How do I obtain them for my appliance? Will it cost a lot of money and take a long time? Thanks. -Girish ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Check out my Facebook profile- Security issues
Hi I kind of disagree with that statement. I do not wish to flare your temper, or start a flame war, but there is a lot that goes into what you learn, and how you are brought up. I started using Linux only a couple of years ago, and now I must say I am pretty comfortable. The problem with most kids these days is that the first computer they see has Win installed. They get used to it, and settle down, often for several years. (10+ in my case). Now, when they face an environment like Gnome, they are thrown off their comfort zone - there is no start bar, no Control Panel, etc.. These things often settle into the mind of the use so much that they tend to become the universal default. My mom was asking me why there is no notepad on my Linux Box. Rather than explain out all the details, I rebooted in Win. I guess it is worth the effort explaining. It's just that users need to inculcate an openness to change. IMO, it helps everywhere, because technology is ever changing. After playing around a bit with Windows 3.1, I was suddenly confronted with a desktop running Windows 95! I would've been stupid to say 'Where is the program manager? This is so different! Remove this stuff at once and put back my beloved Windows 3.1'! The point I am trying to make here is the way kids are brought up. If you show them a Linux System say with Gnome, and tell them this is what a computer is - what they have at school are computers too, but different ones, they learn to get used to the idea of mutiple Desktop environments. s/kids/first time computer users/ Yes. And it looks like this is the trick that Microsoft is adopting to check the growth of Linux. IMHO, all these 'Social welfare campaigns' supported by Microsoft, by providing free copies of Windows to run on kiosks set up in rural villages are actually monopolizing campaigns to target people who see computers for the first time. 20 years later, when every villager in India will probably have a computer, he'd obviously be inclined to using Windows because that's what he saw first. I think l10n and i18n for FOSS projects should be given attention to, because people in rural India are more comfortable with their mother tongues! Several schools in Russia are introducing kids to Linux, and teaching them python as their first programming language around grade 4. I think it is a great move. Yes, indeed. It is purely a matter of convenience. It's more a matter of choice. I prefer free software by choice, convenient or not. Pranesh Srinivasan, Sophomore, ^^ Time to change that ;-) Regards Akarsh signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Check out my Facebook profile- Security issues
Akarsh Simha wrote: IMHO, all these 'Social welfare campaigns' supported by Microsoft, by providing free copies of Windows to run on kiosks set up in rural villages are actually monopolizing campaigns to target people who see computers for the first time. 20 years later, when every villager in India will probably have a computer, he'd obviously be inclined to using Windows because that's what he saw first. AFAIK, Microsoft never gives *free* Windows to anyone, even when it donates *technology*. What they do is give *free* hardware, which comes with their proprietary operating system mostly a trial version of 90 days or so, and make them pay for the license afterwards. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] open source certifications ?
On Tuesday 10 Jun 2008, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: I sell network appliances running open source software. However I am told that companies need certified appliances for surviving audits. Apparently firewalls like Fortigate already have certification. How do I obtain them for my appliance? Will it cost a lot of money and take a long time? I believe you are selling security appliances based on open source software. Most of the security products in the market are certified by NCSA http://security.ncsa.uiuc.edu/ and perhaps other agencies. You know best what your product does and who your competitors are. I would suggest that you visit the web sites of your competitors and I am sure they have a list of all the certifications that their products comply with. HTH, -- Arun Khan ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
