Re: [Ilugc] foss hardware workshop at Ooty

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 30-Aug-08, at 7:46 AM, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote:


Finally, if you keep on insisting that the "general customer's
needs" can only be met by installing Windows, then (according to
you) those who are putting in a lot of effort to replace Windows by
GNU/Linux on the desktop should probably pack up their bags and go
somewhere else!


that is precisely what he is  suggesting. What he forgets is that  
*we* did not go and ask the cybercafe guys to switch to linux -  
*they* asked us to tell them how and why. They did this because the  
amount of maintainence needed for windows is a huge burden, there is  
the ever present fear of raids and legal software is too expensive  
for the smaller people. Their main concern was on the server end -  
most of them  would like to use linux on the server end, even if they  
have windows desktops.


Another thing he has forgotten is that 98% of windows users have  
never heard of linux and have never had a chance to see it in action.  
So why he is objecting to cyber cafe owners giving their customers a  
taste of linux I cannot understand. All of us once used windows, but  
when we got a taste of linux we switched.


I have been keenly watching the tea shop that has sprung up just  
outside the gate at MIT. He started selling only tea and coffee. I  
switched my business to him because his USP was that he opened at 5  
am whereas the guy opposite used to open at 6. Strangely enough,  
every customer who came to his shop *only* asked for either tea or  
coffee. No one asked for pakoda or bun or vadai. One day I found a  
pile of pakoda available. If he had followed the logic of the OP, he  
would have said: 'all my customers are only asking for tea and  
coffee, if I sell pakoda, no one will buy and I will lose customers'.  
But he did not do that. Now he has vadai, bun, cigarettes, beedi,  
sweets, pan ... and is flourishing.


This is how businesses grow - avoid monoculture, diversify. Offer  
more products. This is the logic behind supermarkets too. Offer  
variety and you will grow. I do not think that any cybercafe will rip  
out all the windows machines and replace them with linux. They will  
probably try out linux on a few and see what happens. I remember back  
in 2005 I went to a cybercafe in Adyar who had 4 machines - two of  
them linux. His server was also linux.


So a cybercafe with linux servers are much more secure as they are  
safe from raids. And if they are raided they have an alternative  
ready to continue their business without paying the M$ tax.




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Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Installation problem

[Deepak Pandian]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> >
> > I have tried creating fresh partitions using fdisk but that
> > doesnt shw up in
> > the partition tool which comes with ubuntu.
> >
> > fdisk was warning me that my cylinders no.s in harddisk is
> > more than 1024
> > ,hence some partition tools may have problem with reading
> > the partition
> > table. gparted too shows the entire hard disk as a single
> > partition.
> >
> > I have 100 GB of important data in my hard disk and suggest
> > me a way to
> > install back my ubuntu darling without loosing any of them.
> >
> > Regards
> > Deepak.P
> > _
>
> I once came across similar problem where 320 GB was at stake, I installed
> Testdisk and it restored the partition table and thus saved my data.
>
> Install Ubuntu on available space without touching the partition where rest
> of the data lies, then install testdisk and follow simple instructions...
>

  I am hearing about testdisk for the first time.Thanks for it .Will try it.
But I would like to understand why this problem exists. fdisk throwed a
error message stating that "the number of cylinders is more than 1024 hence
you may have problems ". If any one has worked with grub/gparted give your
thoughts over it.



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Re: [Ilugc] NIS server configuration

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--- On Thu, 28/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Please help me in setting up of master and slave in NIS
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> all the users available in the master server will be
> automatically replicate to the slave servers.
>
There is a parameter MINUID and MINGID in /var/yp/Makefile. This determines
who are part of the NIS. All users having uid above MINUID will be in NIS. 
Users below MINUID will be local. Normally root,adm etc will not be in NIS. It 
is not advisable to have root as part of NIS.

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Re: [Ilugc] foss hardware workshop at Ooty

[Kapil Hari Paranjape]

Hello,

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Sarad AV wrote:
>I think people go to a cyber cafe for more than browsing. when
>you dependent on MS office to get your work done and download
>microsoft supported formats, it is best to have a windows machine
>unless the cafe owners want to loose (some) customers.

It is possible to use OpenOffice for most MS Office type jobs without
the customer feeling any significant difference in use.

Additionally, there is always Google Docs.

In my (limited) experience, the requirements of most users of
"cyber-cafe" installations are met adequately by GNU/Linux. However,
one needs to ensure that the sysadmin of the cyber-cafe is:
 a. sufficiently familiar with use of the tools that the customer
 is going to use. (Firefox, OpenOffice, ...) Most users are going
 to turn to her/him for help in any case!
 b. can update/install the system if/when required.
This is precisely what the workshop addressed.

There will *always* be users whose specialised needs will not be met
by cyber-cafes --- even when these cafes run Windows! For example,
are you sure that a file created on one version of MS Office will
work with another version of the same program?

Finally, if you keep on insisting that the "general customer's
needs" can only be met by installing Windows, then (according to
you) those who are putting in a lot of effort to replace Windows by
GNU/Linux on the desktop should probably pack up their bags and go
somewhere else!

Regards,

Kapil.
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Re: [Ilugc] foss hardware workshop at Ooty

[Mehul Ved]

On 8/29/08, Sarad AV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have seen even regular cafe's do that. they try to lock up almost 
> everything.
> The only difference is that i found it choking and stopped visiting them.

That maybe true for you, but still there are many who just need to get
their work done.

> I probably
> need more than a browser. i might need to download and read a ms word doc or
> ppt or an excel sheet that a friend has send in. lets say that i am a novice 
> and i
> have no clue to use open office. It would be annoying and would be easier to 
> find
> some place where i can use the tools i am familiar with.

I don't think you to type 100's of commands to do your work in
Openoffice. How can one not have clue on using openoffice? Maybe it
may seem unfamiliar for moment or two but anyone familiar with MS
Office can definitely get working with Openoffice for basic functions
in no time. And I am saying this from my experience.

>I think people go to a cyber cafe for more than browsing. when you  
> dependent
> on MS office to get your work done and download microsoft supported formats, 
> it
> is best to have a windows machine unless the cafe owners want to loose (some)
> customers.

What does it matter? OpenOffice can open and save in MS Office formats
except for OOXML.
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Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Installation problem

[Swapnil Bhartiya]

> 
> I have tried creating fresh partitions using fdisk but that
> doesnt shw up in
> the partition tool which comes with ubuntu.
> 
> fdisk was warning me that my cylinders no.s in harddisk is
> more than 1024
> ,hence some partition tools may have problem with reading
> the partition
> table. gparted too shows the entire hard disk as a single
> partition.
> 
> I have 100 GB of important data in my hard disk and suggest
> me a way to
> install back my ubuntu darling without loosing any of them.
> 
> Regards
> Deepak.P
> _

I once came across similar problem where 320 GB was at stake, I installed 
Testdisk and it restored the partition table and thus saved my data.

Install Ubuntu on available space without touching the partition where rest of 
the data lies, then install testdisk and follow simple instructions...

You may give it a try.

But, be careful...

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Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Installation problem

[Deepak Pandian]

On 8/29/08, Sri Ramadoss M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Deepak Pandian
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > But during ubuntu installation from a live cd the partition tool shows
> > the entire hard disk as a single partition and forces me to format the
> > whole
> > disk.
> >
>
> Are you sure? Isn't this the default checked option with other options also
> made available, below?
>
> There will be a provision to extract free space from an existing partition
> and there will also be a Manual option.



I do get manual option but it shows as if the entire hard disk is free.

Can you some how manage to get the screen shot at this point?


Apologies will send you the screen shot tomorrow evening since I am away
from my system.

> I have 100 GB of important data in my hard disk and suggest me a way to
> > install back my ubuntu darling without loosing any of them.
> >
> >
> :-)


lol 90% of it is filled with damn good movies . I recomend antitrust
to luggies.

Thanks Ramdoss for the concern. Will update you tomorrow.

Regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] Perl and C programming workshop

[Sudharshan S]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Girish Venkatachalam <
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> The idea of this workshop is fund raising. As always this is also
> totally free of any financial gain. But at the same time you will
> be required to pay Rs.1000/- for the two day workshop. In case
> you miss the first day, you have to pay Rs.1000/- for the second
> day alone.
>

The second day of intense C sounds fun. Is there any chance of decreasing
the fee amount for the student community?
(Unfortunately 1000/- is a steep amount for us :( )

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[Ilugc] Perl and C programming workshop

[Girish Venkatachalam]

Dear friends,

As part of our initiative to spread the light of knowledge,
Bharathi and I have come up with a two day workshop on 
C and perl programming. First day will be all perl and 
second day will be all C.

This is going to be less stressful than the TCP/IP seminar 
since there is not much to memorize and learn. Only the 
experience of programming and solving problems.

There are certain important idioms to be learnt in coding that
comes only by a very long programming experience. We will try 
to generally get together, have fun and learn.

The idea of this workshop is fund raising. As always this is also
totally free of any financial gain. But at the same time you will 
be required to pay Rs.1000/- for the two day workshop. In case 
you miss the first day, you have to pay Rs.1000/- for the second 
day alone.

We wish to express heartfelt thanks to our previous sponsors Prof. Ashok
Jhunjhunwala of TENET fame and also Sundarraman of Exeter Premedia 
Pvt Ltd.

We expect fresh sponsors for this event. We are looking at a seating 
capacity of close to 150. If individual computers are made available
 it will be great but this is not a must. People can also bring their 
laptops to ease the load of the sponsors.

The idea is to funnel the funds collected in this event with the 
existing funds from the TCP/IP seminar and utilize this money for 
augmenting the hardware resources of LUG. Depending on the money 
collected we can come up with a proper way to utilize them.

Once the details are finalized Bharathi will get back to you.

It looks quite clear that this event will be on a weekend in October.

More later.

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Re: [Ilugc] foss hardware workshop at Ooty

[Sarad AV]

yes, i do get your point. it is the case if you  are browsing from an airport 
or a bus/train terminal with internet access. all you get is to see the browser 
and it doesn't even matter what the OS is. but there isn't much choice when you 
are in transit.

   I have seen even regular cafe's do that. they try to lock up almost 
everything. The only difference is that i found it choking and stopped visiting 
them. I probably need more than a browser. i might need to download and read a 
ms word doc or ppt or an excel sheet that a friend has send in. lets say that i 
am a novice and i have no clue to use open office. It would be annoying and 
would be easier to find some place where i can use the tools i am familiar with.

   I think people go to a cyber cafe for more than browsing. when you  
dependent on MS office to get your work done and download microsoft supported 
formats, it is best to have a windows machine unless the cafe owners want to 
loose (some) customers.

Any way, with OLPC like (cheaper) laptops hitting the market and low 
internet costs, people would be free to choose what they want to use.

Sarad.

Sarad AV wrote:
> Now the cyber cafe folks will have to spend time teaching their customers 
> Linux :-) Moreover a lot of folks will simply walk away when they see a linux 
> OS when they are expecting to see a Win OS. doesn't sound like a pretty 
> business model.

i dont think that is right, since most cybercafe's around the world use
embedded / locked down systems[1] with access only to a web browser and
_some_ support tools along with it - most people need a familiar'ish
interface and a web browser is that.

- KB

[1]: Quite a lot of these systems run Linux already.



  
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Re: [Ilugc] Hi techies out there

[Subhodip Biswas]

Oops ! i did a blunder ..

Soory Manoj , dont go by fixed amount of space but divide your HD in
70% - 30% where 70% goes to linux (since it will be your primary OS )
and 30 % elsewhere (as you need oracle there ) .But again its no hard
and fast rule .

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Re: [Ilugc] Hi techies out there

[Swapnil Bhartiya]

> 
> No , But thats just because Original Poster wanted to use
> it as
> primary OS . 80 GB HDD thats why i recommended 25 Gig of
> space .
> Anything wrong with that .
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> Subhodip Biswas
> 

Hey bro, nothing wrong, was just curious though coz I gave something around 15G 
for my stable Ubuntu and I keep 10G for testing new OS...so was thinking should 
I give more or is mine ok..
:-)

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Re: [Ilugc] Hi techies out there

[Subhodip Biswas]

> Is 25 Gig the standard space needed for GNU/Linux installation?

No , But thats just because Original Poster wanted to use it as
primary OS . 80 GB HDD thats why i recommended 25 Gig of space .
Anything wrong with that .

>
> Swapnil
>


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Re: [Ilugc] Hi techies out there

[Swapnil Bhartiya]

> In order to dual boot with Windows ..install WinXP first as
> you  do
> normally . Leave a 25 GB partion (what you call in windows)
> ,I 'd
> suggest a freespace of 25 gig . While installing linux use
> that 25 gig
> of space .
> 
> Now do whatever you want to do with Windows .
> and use linux .
> Regards
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Is 25 Gig the standard space needed for GNU/Linux installation?

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Re: [Ilugc] Hi techies out there

[Subhodip Biswas]

hi !


> hi techies ,
>
> First of all,i apologise for using sms language in the mailing list .
>
> I bought a computer with 80 GB HDD and 1 GB of RAM with pentium core 2 duo
> processor ,i want to install RHEL5  & Win XP in that,but my requirement is
> i have to have Linux as My primary OS n from that i ve to access win xp
> from linux using VM ware or Sun Virtual Box 1.6. In the near future i also
> have plans for installing Oracle 9i in my system ..   so help me out in
> installin both t Operating systems n virtual box without any problems
> ASAP.
>


If you are paying for RHEL5 then go for it ..else dont . If you look
for an enterprise like solution go for CentOS or if you will be using
the computer as a home PC go for Fedora . People may suggest many more
distro's .take a good look and settle on what you need .

In order to dual boot with Windows ..install WinXP first as you  do
normally . Leave a 25 GB partion (what you call in windows) ,I 'd
suggest a freespace of 25 gig . While installing linux use that 25 gig
of space .

Now do whatever you want to do with Windows .
and use linux .

i wont suggest oracle 9i in windows over virtual machine though you
can do that .But you can access windows partions and file from linux
too . and have oracle 9i in your windows partition .

But however its ultimately your choice .



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Re: [Ilugc] foss hardware workshop at Ooty

[Karanbir Singh]

Sarad AV wrote:

Now the cyber cafe folks will have to spend time teaching their customers Linux 
:-) Moreover a lot of folks will simply walk away when they see a linux OS when 
they are expecting to see a Win OS. doesn't sound like a pretty business model.


i dont think that is right, since most cybercafe's around the world use 
embedded / locked down systems[1] with access only to a web browser and 
_some_ support tools along with it - most people need a familiar'ish 
interface and a web browser is that.


- KB

[1]: Quite a lot of these systems run Linux already.
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Re: [Ilugc] Efficiency of Projects in Mono

[senthilraja P]

>> also look at dotgnu - I think it is closer to dotnet as it uses C#

I just googled for comparing dotgnu and mono..  the following articles are
interesting

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/02/11/mono_and_dotgnu_whats/

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3361991

It seems, only Microsoft is going to get benefitted by either Mono or
DotGNU..

But clearly, Mono is in an advantageous position..

A lot of commercial applications has been developed using Mono..
particularly the dekiwiki from mindtouch.com looks promising..

Any alternate views?  particularly on whether microsoft will get benefitted
out of .NET port to linux?

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Re: [Ilugc] Efficiency of Projects in Mono

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 29-Aug-08, at 12:48 PM, Ravi Jaya wrote:



Is there any review of Mono to know more about its viability?

Even myself looking forward for the same, I have client you have  
existing
Linux servers. They also have skilled  .net developers. Is it  
feasible  for

them to host .net application in Linux using mono.

is it a  proved one  or still a fiction,  if so, it could save  
handsome

money for my clients and i could happily port everthing to linux box.


also look at dotgnu - I think it is closer to dotnet as it uses C#

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Re: [Ilugc] Efficiency of Projects in Mono

[senthilraja P]

>is it a  proved one  or still a fiction,  if so, it could save handsome
>money for my clients and i could happily port everthing to linux box.

As per the mono website, (http://www.mono-project.com/Software), two
applications developed in it caught my attention

-> http://www.splendidcrm.com/  (a port of sugar crm)
-> Deki Wiki

I feel, if Mono is really feasible, we can establish it for RAD for some
realtime business applications..

Regards,
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[Ilugc] Hi techies out there

[Manoj Kumar]

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:21:40 +0530
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

hi techies ,

First of all,i apologise for using sms language in the mailing list .

I bought a computer with 80 GB HDD and 1 GB of RAM with pentium core 2 duo
processor ,i want to install RHEL5  & Win XP in that,but my requirement is
i have to have Linux as My primary OS n from that i ve to access win xp
from linux using VM ware or Sun Virtual Box 1.6. In the near future i also
have plans for installing Oracle 9i in my system ..   so help me out in
installin both t Operating systems n virtual box without any problems
ASAP.

REGARDS,

SIM WARE HOUSE - TN
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Re: [Ilugc] Efficiency of Projects in Mono

[Ravi Jaya]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:18 PM, senthilraja P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was going through Mono and Mono develop few days back.  It was said, that
> mono is a .NET port for linux, spearheaded by Novell.
>
> Can Mono be an efficient tool for commercial projects?  If its so, why its
> not widely adopted?
>
> There is a good IDE similar to Visual Studio, and it would provide a good
> dev platform for application projects.
>
> Is there any review of Mono to know more about its viability?
>
> Even myself looking forward for the same, I have client you have existing
Linux servers. They also have skilled  .net developers. Is it feasible  for
them to host .net application in Linux using mono.

is it a  proved one  or still a fiction,  if so, it could save handsome
money for my clients and i could happily port everthing to linux box.

cheers
Ravi Jaya
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