Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)
On Friday 11 Sep 2009 12:10:00 pm Anthoni Shogan wrote: > > what about batteries? does it have the number of batteries built in and > > third party modules that python has? > > > > I seriously doubt that and from the web site I couldn't find anything > regarding this. > As of now the language itself is very young. > I hope as the language matures batteries will get added eventually. some years ago a lot people I respect were trying to get me to shift to Ruby, but with out sufficient batteries included, I decided not to shift. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > some years ago a lot people I respect were trying to get me to shift to > Ruby, > but with out sufficient batteries included, I decided not to shift. > Toys can make do with batteries. Production apps need custom designed power plants ;-) I think your position here is opposing your position on using a CMS for ilugc site!! regds, mano ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)
On Friday 11 Sep 2009 1:16:04 pm Mano wrote: > > some years ago a lot people I respect were trying to get me to shift to > > Ruby, > > but with out sufficient batteries included, I decided not to shift. > > Toys can make do with batteries. Production apps need custom designed power > plants ;-) > > I think your position here is opposing your position on using a CMS for > ilugc site!! in what way? -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] (no subject) Prem Kurian Pls have some meaningfull subject line
Prem Kurian Philip Pls have some meaningfull subject line instead of "(no subject)". Thanks, Selvakumar - Original Message From: Prem Kurian Philip To: ilugc@ae.iitm.ac.in Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:24:46 PM Subject: [Ilugc] (no subject) Kg, Since we are on the topic of frameworks, have you looked at Scala and the Lift Framework? What I find amazing is the performance - it is on par or slightly faster than plain Java on many benchmarks. To put that in perspective, it is several times faster than groovy, ruby and python. This is because scala runs directly on the JVM. Take a look: http://liftweb.net/ By the way, I have done considerable programming on python and have used plone. Fact is, I have used plone to run our own intranet here at Songbird. I think it is an excellent framework - but a bit complicated to customize. If you prefer using Python and like more speed, you can look at the upcoming Cobra language. http://cobra-language.com/docs/python/ They are porting this to work over the jvm as well. May be interesting to port Django over to use Cobra. Cobra and python are similar enough and so it may not be that difficult. Regards, Prem ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] why do u have such a long thread with "(no subject)" ??
Hello "(no subject)" thread participants, Its a surprise that how atleast one of the participants didnot even attempt to change the subject line to be relevant. Even if the original sender of the message didnot care about the subject line, atleast the other participants who reply to that message could have attempted to change it & educate the original sender. I hope the participants get it right. Thanks, Selvakumar. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] (no subject) Prem Kurian Pls have some meaningfull subject line
Mr. Selvakumar Rajeswaran , On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Selvakumar Rajeswaran wrote: > >Prem Kurian Philip > > >Pls have some meaningfull subject line instead of "(no subject)". > > Please do not top post :) -- A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows. <-Fighting 4 Freedom-> ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] total failure to find a netbook with linux
I give up - probably will have to pay for doze. (or dos) -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)
From: Kenneth Gonsalves >> Cobra seems to have just those things I miss in Python. >> Hope it gets as popular as Python. >> Go Cobra! >what about batteries? does it have the number of batteries built in and >third party modules that python has? Unfortunately no. No batteries are provided and it has to be hand cranked for now :) The language is still quite young - but because it runs on .NET/Mono (and is being ported to JVM), it should be possible to use the .NET or the Java libraries. IMPORTANT NOTICE: This is just a guess. I haven't actually used Cobra yet. What I like about Cobra is the fact that it is very similar to python but really fast, has built-in unit testing support, does not have the awful "self" parameter needed in python, catches typos at compile time rather than run time etc. By the way, Scala can use any java library - Spring framework, hibernate etc. Scala is quite similar to Cobra. Regards, Prem ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] (no subject) Prem Kurian Pls have some meaningfull subject line
From: Selvakumar Rajeswaran >Pls have some meaningfull subject line instead of "(no subject)". Apologies. It was actually a mistake. I noticed that I hadn't filled in the subject only after I had already sent the email. Regards, Prem ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] total failure to find a netbook with linux
2009/9/11 Kenneth Gonsalves : > I give up - probably will have to pay for doze. (or dos) That's unfortunate . Shame on "Dell,Asus,Acer,HP,IBM" Indian manufacturing units .. huh :X I think all these marketing people(especially indian) inside these companies *should* be educated by Redhat[1] or Novell[2] who sell OEM . Any idea why it is very hard to get the Ubuntu version of dell PC/netbook ? 1. Redhat : i http://www.redhat.com/rhel/desktop/ 2. Novell : i http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/ ii http://www.lenovo.com/news/us/en/2008/10/IdeaPad-S10e.html Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri www.pavithran.org ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] total failure to find a netbook with linux
Sorry for top post. In the past 6 months, I bought 2 Acer Aspire One netbooks in Chennai without Win XP. I think Linspire or some Acer flavor of Linux was pre-installed on both. Let me know if you need any help in sourcing one. Raja On 11/09/2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > I give up - probably will have to pay for doze. (or dos) > -- > regards > kg > http://lawgon.livejournal.com > ___ > To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with > "unsubscribe " > in the subject or body of the message. > http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc > -- - Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] total failure to find a netbook with linux
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Raja Subramanian wrote: > In the past 6 months, I bought 2 Acer Aspire One netbooks in Chennai > > > On 11/09/2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > I give up - probably will have to pay for doze. (or dos) > > -- > > regards > > kg > check out - http://sisodiya.blogspot.com/2009/06/my-first-laptop.html This model has some command line linux. -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org │Twitter : http://tinyurl.com/dz7e4a └─┘ ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Languages/Ruby
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: some years ago a lot people I respect were trying to get me to shift to Ruby, but with out sufficient batteries included, I decided not to shift. You might want to give it a shot again - perhaps that was true say 5 years ago, but that's no longer true. Ruby is not perfect, but can get you really productive in a short time. The same philosophy extends to Rails. Both have embraced the fact that Ruby doesn't come with too many batteries included - and that's why Rubyforge is such a big part of Ruby development. Python was still getting it's eggs in order when installing any library in Ruby was just a matter of doing "sudo gem install xyz". Now, GitHub has become another hotbed of 3rd-party batteries. Now, I agree that Ruby doesn't fit everybody's temperament - nor do I recommend it for everybody (though I wish they did try it) - but it's like sort of being on a thrill-ride. You will only like it if you like the furious pace of change :). Today's sacred-cow-tools will be made obsolete by next month's better-and-faster-than-thou tool. This is why writing books for Ruby/Rails development is notoriously hard - the best practices change by the time the book gets published (or a new release with a ton of new features is ready). If you thrive on learning everything at a fast pace, not get overly religious about what you learnt so far and be ready to ditch it all and start over again in a short time, Ruby might be just for you :). Vamsee. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
RE: [Ilugc] [SFD] Volunteers Meet II
Hi Balachandar This is my first meeting I don`t anyone of you. so it may be difficult to find you peoples.thats why i`m asking... Cheers, Ranjith www.techatters.wordpress.com _ Sports, news, fashion and entertainment. Pick it all up in a package called MSN India http://in.msn.com___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Languages/Ruby
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Vamsee Kanakala wrote: > You might want to give it a shot again - perhaps that was true say 5 years > ago, but that's no longer true. Ruby is not perfect, but can get you really > productive in a short time. The same philosophy extends to Rails. Rails is neat, and IMO felt a lot more like an web app framework than Django. Django felt more like it was better designed for creating CMS than general web apps. The one issue no one has discussed so far is ease and stability of deployment on shared hosting provider setups -- not everyone can justify a virtual private server. My hosting provider (dreamhost.com) is a typical web host, and it would be good to see web frameworks and applications working nicely in such scenarios. I would love to deploy more Rails apps at work, but Rails has a huge problem running on dreamhost. It constantly crashes, pages don't load randomly, performance is terrible, etc. After lots of troubleshooting, I gave up trying to adopt Rails in my environment. However, on the same setup php and python/fcgi run perfectly. Consequently, I just setup a Drupal website for a school website a few days ago and it could not have been any easier. - Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] total failure to find a netbook with linux
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 15:11 +0530, ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in wrote: > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:28:32 +0530 > From: Kenneth Gonsalves > Subject: [Ilugc] total failure to find a netbook with linux > To: Indian Chennai > Message-ID: <200909111428.32844.law...@thenilgiris.com> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I give up - probably will have to pay for doze. (or dos) > -- > regards > kg > http://lawgon.livejournal.com Can you try www.zyxware.com? They are based in Trivandrum, but they can deliver anywhere in India. They are dealers of hardware who actively promote Free software in all the hardware they sell. Their CEO is Mr Anoop John. COntact details : + 91 9446 06 9446 0471 2449495 Regards Srikanth ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Languages/Ruby
Raja Subramanian wrote: My hosting provider (dreamhost.com) is a typical web host, and it would be good to see web frameworks and applications working nicely in such scenarios. Ah yes, that is indeed a problem - though there are several hacks (like freezing gems to your vendor directory) that can help, but I've never tried it on dreamhost, so it might or might not work. But if I'm not wrong, dreamhost did add some Rails support recently, you might want to check on that. If you want to try something entirely different, try Heroku. They have a free plan, and it's perfect for getting started with Rails without the hosting headaches. Or, if you're really adventurous, you could try it with JRuby on AppEngine. Vamsee. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Re: [SFD] Volunteers Meet II [OT]
Ranjith Kumar writes: > > > Hi Balachandar > This is my first meeting I don`t anyone of you. so it may be difficult to find you peoples.thats why i`m asking... > > Cheers, > Ranjith > www.techatters.wordpress.com > > _ > Sports, news, fashion and entertainment. Pick it all up in a package called MSN India > http://in.msn.com___ > To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@... with > "unsubscribe " > in the subject or body of the message. > http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc > > Pls change your profile picture.It is frustrating to see windows logo there. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Frameworks/Python
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Friday 11 Sep 2009 1:16:04 pm Mano wrote: some years ago a lot people I respect were trying to get me to shift to Ruby, but with out sufficient batteries included, I decided not to shift. Toys can make do with batteries. Production apps need custom designed power plants ;-) I think your position here is opposing your position on using a CMS for ilugc site!! in what way? While we are on the subject, here's some exciting news on the Python framework front: http://bit.ly/1IyK93. Vamsee. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Software Freedom Day'09 Celebrations @ Jaya Engg. College - Invitation
Jaya FOSS Club pleasure to welcome you all for Software Freedom Day '09 celebrations to be held at Jaya Engineering College on 19.09.2009. The celebration includes formal Inauguration, Release of SFD'09 special News Letter, Technical Talks, Contest for Students and Free Software Demonstration ( 22 stalls). The event organised in association with ILUGC & CSI Students Chapter. Details please visit : www.jayafossclub.org with regards M.Kumaran, Convenor, SFD'09 Jaya Engineering College -- மா. குமரன் kumaran...@gmail.com 94442 46644 "Only those who constantly retool themselves stand a chance of staying employed in the years ahead." ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)
What exactly is the subject of this thread??? I have lost track of this discussion. I find it strange that in a list where every newcomer is sermoned to read a thousand words before posting to list and a whole thread goes on without a subject line! Regards Rajagopal ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
RE: [Ilugc] [SFD] Volunteers Meet II
> This is my first meeting I don`t anyone of you. so it may be > difficult to find you peoples.thats why i`m asking... If you are unable to identify any of the ILUGC members in GM, you give a ring to my number (98408 79452). Bye :) -- Bharathi S ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] (no subject)
On Saturday 12 Sep 2009 12:19:17 am Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: > I find it strange that in a list where every newcomer is sermoned to > read a thousand words before posting to list and a whole thread goes > on without a subject line! we are waiting for you to suggest a suitable subject - or maybe we are just talking about nothing? -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Languages/Ruby
On Friday 11 Sep 2009 8:08:34 pm Raja Subramanian wrote: > My hosting provider (dreamhost.com) is a typical web host, and > it would be good to see web frameworks and applications working > nicely in such scenarios. dreamhost has a very bad reputation in the django community at least. Webfaction does a fantastic job. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] (no subject) Prem Kurian Pls have some meaningfull subject line
On Friday 11 Sep 2009 3:16:44 pm Prem Kurian Philip wrote: > From: Selvakumar Rajeswaran > > >Pls have some meaningfull subject line instead of "(no subject)". > > Apologies. It was actually a mistake. I noticed that I hadn't filled in > the subject only after I had already sent the email. doesnt the mail client barf when there is no subject? -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] total failure to find a netbook with linux
On Friday 11 Sep 2009 3:41:10 pm Raja Subramanian wrote: > In the past 6 months, I bought 2 Acer Aspire One netbooks in Chennai > without Win XP. I think Linspire or some Acer flavor of Linux was > pre-installed on both. > > Let me know if you need any help in sourcing one. yes please -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] total failure to find a netbook with linux
On Friday 11 Sep 2009 3:52:14 pm narendra sisodiya wrote: > > On 11/09/2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > I give up - probably will have to pay for doze. (or dos) > > > -- > > > regards > > > kg > > check out - http://sisodiya.blogspot.com/2009/06/my-first-laptop.html > This model has some command line linux. I have a similar one - I need a netbook not a laptop -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] total failure to find a netbook with linux
pavithran wrote: 2009/9/11 Kenneth Gonsalves : I give up - probably will have to pay for doze. (or dos) That's unfortunate . Shame on "Dell,Asus,Acer,HP,IBM" Indian manufacturing units .. huh :X True, but it's not because they lack initiative. There are several reports on the net from good sources that Microsoft is putting tremendous pressure on Netbook manufacturers not to use Linux (apart from giving heavy discounts on XP) because they're really scared the low price point can become a entry point for Linux into consumer computing. Acer recently announced a netbook based on Android OS and immediately put it on the freezer, because of direct pressure from you-know-who. But things might change - Chrome OS is directly targeted at devices like netbooks, and there are a ton of hardware manufacturers are already in their boat. So here's hoping. Vamsee. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] total failure to find a netbook with linux
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: I give up - probably will have to pay for doze. (or dos) In consolation, you might at least have a good light-weight os to install: http://bit.ly/rZX2q. easy peasy looks cool, and I love their homepage :) Vamsee. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] total failure to find a netbook with linux
Hello, On Sat, 12 Sep 2009, Vamsee Kanakala wrote: > In consolation, you might at least have a good light-weight os to > install: http://bit.ly/rZX2q. easy peasy looks cool, and I love > their homepage :) This looks very much like a re-theming of Ubuntu Netbook Remix. It is not very clear from their wiki/home page what exactly they have changed. (I admit that I have not researched this extensively!) Regards, Kapil. -- ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
