Re: [Ilugc] Google drops Windows in their workplace
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Tuesday 01 June 2010 20:14:59 you wrote: On 06/02/2010 07:57 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: the link has relevance and interest to the list - it has been posted by many people on most of the LUG lists in the country. What I took exception to is the idea that by constantly renaming things, one can change their nature. Let us face facts - the GNU project did not write the linux kernel, and no amount of name changing is going to change that fact. I am not a fan of the name but that's a weak argument IMO http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html basically RMS was miffed that he could not write a kernel and linus did - so he wanted a share of the credit. So he demanded that the word 'GNU' be added. But for those who do not know the history, the word 'GNU/Linux' implies ownership of linux by GNU. This also could be fair enough (although rather childish) as long as Linus agreed to it - he did not. anyway, for any usable distro one needs not only GNU, but also BSD - like fedora would be junk without python - apache (httpd, subversion, etc etc) , MIT licensed stuff and about 30-40 other licenses. So would it make sense to call it GNU/BSD/APACHE/MIT/Linux? Everyone wants credit no? oops, python, git et all are all written in GCC - so let us give them the credit - GNU/Python, GNU/Git ... -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon THAT IS NOT EXACTLY THE REASON FOR THE NAMING BEHIND GNU/Linux. I suggest you people to see the film Revolution OS , or read some good books on the history of free software.He wanted to call linux systems GNU/Linux because linux is only a kernel and is not a complete operating system. A complete os is a bundle of kernel and userland tools which is developed by GNU project. Therefore he wants to call these combination GNU/Linux there is NOTHING WRONG in people taking credit for their own work. Basically he wanted people to take a look at why they took the pain to develop GNU and think about the issues affecting software users and strive for freedom. Debian infact has an OS flavour consists of BSD kernel and GNU userland tools called GNU/BSD , there is also a port of linux kernel to bsd operating system called BSD/Linux. Also there is combination of GNU and solaris kernel called Debian GNU/solaris ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Google drops Windows in their workplace
Friends. You all are welcome to open a new thread on how to call a linux kernel based operating system, rather than hijacking this thread. Discussions will be interesting, when they are relevant to the subject of a thread. Thanks for understanding. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open Source Jobs http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] how to run a php file with apache
hi, I have a server mainly using nginx. Recently a requirement to run php/cgi has come up. Looking at nginx documentation I find no native support for php/cgi and rather than do anything fancy decided to proxy to apache. So I installed php5 for apache (apt-get php5) and mods-enabled shows php5.conf and php5.load. Here is the contents of the two files: load: IfModule mod_php5.c AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps /IfModule and conf: LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so but when the browser is pointed to a php file, a file open or download dialog comes up. What am I missing? I got cgi to work without problems -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how to run a php file with apache
You will generally have mod_php package as well On 4 Jun 2010 16:59, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: hi, I have a server mainly using nginx. Recently a requirement to run php/cgi has come up. Looking at nginx documentation I find no native support for php/cgi and rather than do anything fancy decided to proxy to apache. So I installed php5 for apache (apt-get php5) and mods-enabled shows php5.conf and php5.load. Here is the contents of the two files: load: IfModule mod_php5.c AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps /IfModule and conf: LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so but when the browser is pointed to a php file, a file open or download dialog comes up. What am I missing? I got cgi to work without problems -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how to run a php file with apache
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: and rather than do anything fancy decided to proxy to apache. So I installed php5 for apache (apt-get php5) and mods-enabled shows php5.conf and php5.load. Here is the contents of the two files: load: Try installing this package libapache2-mod-php5 -- Senthil Kumaran S http://www.stylesen.org/ http://www.sasenthilkumaran.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how to run a php file with apache
On Friday 04 June 2010 17:14:10 Senthil Kumaran S wrote: On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: and rather than do anything fancy decided to proxy to apache. So I installed php5 for apache (apt-get php5) and mods-enabled shows php5.conf and php5.load. Here is the contents of the two files: load: Try installing this package libapache2-mod-php5 it is installed (got installed when I installed php5) - that is why it is in mods-enabled. -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how to run a php file with apache
Hi, On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Friday 04 June 2010 17:14:10 Senthil Kumaran S wrote: On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: and rather than do anything fancy decided to proxy to apache. So I installed php5 for apache (apt-get php5) and mods-enabled shows php5.conf and php5.load. Here is the contents of the two files: load: If you're trying to use it with 'userdir' module, in the recent versions, it is by default disabled for the user's public_html directories because then the users could run arbitrary PHP scripts as www-data user. In that case you may need to enable it in the module's configuration file. Also a look into apache's logs might give a better clue as to why the php script is not getting executed by mod-php. Regards, Guruprasad ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux [was] Google drops Windows in their workplace
as per request of the admin, subject changed (please drop the 'was' part in reply) On Friday 04 June 2010 12:37:00 bhuvanesh kumar wrote: THAT IS NOT EXACTLY THE REASON FOR THE NAMING BEHIND GNU/Linux. no need to shout! I suggest you people to see the film Revolution OS , or read some good books on the history of free software.He wanted to call linux systems GNU/Linux because linux is only a kernel and is not a complete operating system. A complete os is a bundle of kernel and userland tools which is developed by GNU project. Therefore he wants to call these combination GNU/Linux there is NOTHING WRONG in people taking credit for their own work. Basically he wanted people to take a look at why they took the pain to develop GNU and think about the issues affecting software users and strive for freedom. that is all RMS's viewpoint. Why does everyone give so much weight to him and none at all to Linus (who not only wrote and maintained the kernel all these years, but also has come up with another killer app in git - how many people can you point to who have come up with *two* killer apps in a lifetime?). And yet I am still to see one post or person on this list in any way either trying to understand linus's viewpoint or propagate it. Why? Anyway, RMS summarises his views in this article: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html to put it shortly, RMS and company thought of writing a kernel long before linus did - but could not (in fact they have been trying to do so for nearly 30 years now but have utterly failed). Linus wrote it. So GNU people say 'we thought of it first so we want our share of credit'. No problem. But in our world the person who first implements anything gets the main credit and usually gets to name the outcome. Others cannot force a name on it. If Linus had agreed, no one would have any problem. He did not agree. So to foist the name and even refuse to talk to anyone who does not use the name as foisted is the height of childishness and is tantamount to petty jealousy. In the article mentioned above, there is a very amusing paragraph: quote If we tried to measure the GNU Project's contribution in this way, what would we conclude? One CD-ROM vendor found that in their “Linux distribution”, GNU software was the largest single contingent, around 28% of the total source code, and this included some of the essential major components without which there could be no system. Linux itself was about 3%. (The proportions in 2008 are similar: in the “main” repository of gNewSense, Linux is 1.5% and GNU packages are 15%.) So if you were going to pick a name for the system based on who wrote the programs in the system, the most appropriate single choice would be “GNU”. /quote linux is only 1.5%!! might as well remove it (and certainly with only a 1.5% share it has no right to find itself in any part of the name!) But the most important point is that linux and GNU combined are only 16.5% - a small minority. What about giving credit to the people who contributed the remaining 83.5%? why are they ignored? who are they? why are their leaders not crying for credit in the name? one possible reason is that they are not jobless and are busy refining and adding to their contributions ;-) let us look at it from another angle - what would have happened if Linus had not developed the kernel (it is known that he just did it for kicks and not part of the great scheme of freedom framed by RMS). Then GNU would have been useless and we would all still be using windows. ILUGC would not have come into existence - without a kernel GNU tools are of no use (and GNU people have proved that they are incapable of writing a usable kernel). So if anything Linus would be justified in insisting that GNU be called Linux/GNU. And do not forget that it is only because of the success of linux that RMS, GPL and GNU became famous. Without linux no one would have heard of them. No doubt RMS is a visionary - a good thing. We need visions - but if he cannot implement his visions he has no right to grab credit from those who can implement them. Case to point: he was the first to conceive of a free encyclopedia (he called it GNE - GNE is not an encyopedia). It was a failure - Wales implemented the wikipedia which was a success. No doubt RMS would have like to call it the GNE/wikipedia - but it won't work because it is an URL and if you type GNE/Wikipedia in the address bar you will not get wikipedia. He also had visions of a DVCS - but GNU Arch was another flop - whereas linus quietly produced git without any fanfare. We owe a tremendous debt to Linus - and it is fitting that the OS is named after him (he did not name it). We also owe something to RMS and his friends - there are lots of things named after GNU - more than enough to keep any reasonable person happy. But this kind of renaming is not reasonable. I request those of us here who have benefited from the
[Ilugc] LAMP Workshop Tomorrow
According to the Wiki (http://wiki.ilugc.in/index.php?title=ILUGC_Summer_Workshops) there is a LAMP workshop at MIT tomorrow. I pinged Ravi Jaya, whose name was on the wiki, and he said that he won't be able to do it tomorrow. Is there someone who can/is going to? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On 4 June 2010 18:13, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: as per request of the admin, subject changed (please drop the 'was' part in reply) [Detailed, well written response snipped] The key difference is that the GNU toolchain was used to build almost all the remaining xx% and even today I am sure the toolchain which RMS was instrumental in building is used to generate majority of the content in a distro. And that list of things built using the GNU toolchain includes the kernel. Whether that justifies calling it GNU/Linux is a personal choice IMO. KG's well written note tends to suggest that RMS wants credit and thats the only reason--I see that insistence more as a continued reminder of the principles he has espoused, in contrast to the pragmatic(?) stance of Linus. Asokan Pichai *---* We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On Friday 04 June 2010 18:48:04 Asokan Pichai wrote:
KG's well written note tends to suggest that RMS wants credit and
thats the only reason--I see that insistence more as a continued
reminder of the principles he has espoused, in contrast to the
pragmatic(?) stance of Linus.
it is my personal opinion that he wants credit (although he himself keeps
harping on the fact that he needs credit), but the main thrust of my argument
is that Linus is entitled to decide - not RMS. After all Linus has given full
credit to the GNU team - even to the extent that he has licensed the kernel
under the GPL - and afaik has also licensed git under that. What more do you
want?
ps. from the git faq:
quote
Why the 'git' name?
Quoting Linus: I'm an egotistical ***, and I name all my projects after
myself. First 'Linux', now 'git'.
('git' is British slang for pig headed, think they are always correct,
argumentative).
/quote
maybe he should have named it RMS?
--
regards
kg
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Re: [Ilugc] A day at SSN Python workshop
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan logic.li...@gmail.comwrote: Just cant believe, having been there. Great work organizers The credit goes to Welkin and his enthusiastic team of volunteers from AVIT. Not to forget the huge support from Bhaskar. They did a fantastic job. Thanks to all those who made this event a great success!! I'd love to hear comments from those who are attending this event. -- Regards Praveen Chandrahas Free Software is a matter of freedom, not cost. It is a matter of liberty, not price. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On 06/04/2010 07:14 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Friday 04 June 2010 18:48:04 Asokan Pichai wrote: KG's well written note tends to suggest that RMS wants credit and thats the only reason--I see that insistence more as a continued reminder of the principles he has espoused, in contrast to the pragmatic(?) stance of Linus. it is my personal opinion that he wants credit (although he himself keeps harping on the fact that he needs credit), but the main thrust of my argument is that Linus is entitled to decide - not RMS. Linus is fully entitled to name the kernel, Linux. Noone is trying to challenge that. How the operating system should be called is the subject of debate. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Re: Google drops Windows in their workplace
From: bhuvanesh kumar bhuvibhuvan...@gmail.com THAT IS NOT EXACTLY THE REASON FOR THE NAMING BEHIND GNU/Linux. I suggest you people to see the film Revolution OS , or read some good books on the history of free software.He wanted to call linux systems GNU/Linux because linux is only a kernel and is not a complete operating system. A complete os is a bundle of kernel and userland tools which is developed by GNU project. Therefore he wants to call these combination GNU/Linux there is NOTHING WRONG in people taking credit for their own work. Did you really read KG's reply before posting this? He addressed the exact point you are raising. Prem ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] A day at SSN Python workshop
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:22 PM, praveen chandrahas chandrah...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan Just cant believe, having been there. Great work organizers The credit goes to Welkin and his enthusiastic team of volunteers from AVIT. Not to forget the huge support from Bhaskar. They did a fantastic job. Thanks to all those who made this event a great success!! I'd love to hear comments from those who are attending this event. my wishes to team and its a team work guys. your doing it well. all the sessions are going nice. -- நன்றி பிரவீன்.சோ Kanchi Linux User Group Rocks !! http://kanchilug.wordpress.com My Views for u http://grifinder.wordpress.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [JOB] Opening for Systems Engineer at BankBazaar.com
BankBazaar is looking for Systems Engineers for maintaining our data warehouse and production linux servers. The role involves closely working with our core engineering team for building tools/dashboards for managing metrics/monitoring with strong focus on automating the maintenance activity. We are looking for the following qualities: - Hands on experience administering Linux systems - Strong scripting skills (shell scripting at least one dynamic language like python) - Strong grasp of CS fundamentals, OS and networking concepts - 2+ years experience as a system admin/ops/software engineer - Strong problem solving skills, enthusiasm and the attitude to get things done as needed in a startup. - Involvement in opensource software development is an added advantage Interested? Please send your resume to care...@bankbazaar.com **About BankBazaar** BankBazaar.com is startup in Chennai growing at a rapid phase. Started by team that built Amazon.com's online credit card product pioneering in real time credit delivery, our team today is 35 strong with the top online technology specialists from Amazon.com, Microsoft, and Trilogy from universities such as CEG, REC-Trichy, Columbia, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, ISB and other top rung universities. In addition to www.bankbazaar.com, our SaaS platform powers the online customer acquisition systems of leading banks in India like HDFC Bank(hdfcbanksmartapply.com), HDFC LTD (hdfcinstanthomeloans.com), ING Vysya (www.ingvysyabankloans.com) and the finance section of popular sites like MSN India (msn.bankbazaar.com), Economic Times (economictimes.bankbazaar.com), chennaionline.bankbazaar.com. Our platform supports instant credit decision and automated verification providing superior customer experience by reducing the total time taken to disburse a loan. Thanks Vimal Kumar CIO, BankBazaar.com vimal.ku...@bankbazaar.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] upgraded to FC13. My upstart job has stopped working
I migrated to FC13 from FC12 yesterday. I had my script in /etc/event.d. The script worked without any issues on FC9, FC10, FC11 and FC12. On FC13, my job no longer gets automatically started after reboot. I understand that /etc/event.d is obsolete and one has to have the script in /etc/init with the extension '.conf'. I have done that but my job does not get started automatically. As of the moment, i am starting the service manually by issuing the following command /sbin/initctl start svscan or /sbin/initctl emit qmailstart My script as below. Is there anything wrong with my script? % cat svscan.conf # svscan - runlevel compatibility # Start deamontools watcher # console output, owner, none # to start - initctl emit qmailstart # to stop - initctl emit qmailstop # start svscan # stop svscan start on runlevel [345] start on qmailstart stop on runlevel [0126] stop on runlevel r stop on qmailstop console none respawn script exec /var/indimail/bin/svscanboot /service /service1 end script Regard Manvendra http://www.indimail.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] A day at SSN Python workshop
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:22 PM, praveen chandrahas chandrah...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan logic.li...@gmail.comwrote: Just cant believe, having been there. Great work organizers The credit goes to Welkin and his enthusiastic team of volunteers from AVIT. +1 Not to forget the huge support from Bhaskar. They did a fantastic job. Big 'O' to Baskar. -- Ravi Jaya Mobile: +91 97909 16181 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] LAMP Workshop Tomorrow
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: According to the Wiki (http://wiki.ilugc.in/index.php?title=ILUGC_Summer_Workshops) there is a LAMP workshop at MIT tomorrow. I hope there was a plan, not about its current status. I pinged Ravi Jaya, whose name was on the wiki, and he said that he won't be able to do it tomorrow. Is Yes ,you are correct, since am working on tomorrow am occupied. there someone who can/is going to? if any body interested to take up, you are highly welcomed. @ Yuvi Panda, if really interested in the 'LAMP', then we can plan it one in this month end. since I can't make it tomorrow. But you should assure you would get minimum 15 to 20 participants. Let we talk to KG, if we can get the same venue it would be great. -- Ravi Jaya Mobile: +91 97909 16181 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux [was] Google drops Windows in their workplace
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: yet I am still to see one post or person on this list in any way either trying to understand linus's viewpoint or propagate it. Why? So sweet! Now he got one :P Anyway, RMS summarises his views in this article: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html [snip] http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc Tell me, What if there is no GNU, No RMS ? No Linux right? -- Arun S.A.G ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux [was] Google drops Windows in their workplace
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: Tell me, What if there is no GNU, No RMS ? No Linux right? By that logic, (to pick one), no Moore, so no Intel, so no Linux, right? Or, no Minix, then no Linux, right? We can't second guess history. -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] LAMP Workshop Tomorrow
It will be great if you could arrange for a LAMP session this month. I am in. Cheers, Sri From: Ravi Jaya ravi.goglob...@gmail.com To: ILUG-C ilugc@ae.iitm.ac.in Sent: Fri, 4 June, 2010 8:51:22 PM Subject: Re: [Ilugc] LAMP Workshop Tomorrow On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: According to the Wiki (http://wiki.ilugc.in/index.php?title=ILUGC_Summer_Workshops) there is a LAMP workshop at MIT tomorrow. I hope there was a plan, not about its current status. I pinged Ravi Jaya, whose name was on the wiki, and he said that he won't be able to do it tomorrow. Is Yes ,you are correct, since am working on tomorrow am occupied. there someone who can/is going to? if any body interested to take up, you are highly welcomed. @ Yuvi Panda, if really interested in the 'LAMP', then we can plan it one in this month end. since I can't make it tomorrow. But you should assure you would get minimum 15 to 20 participants. Let we talk to KG, if we can get the same venue it would be great. -- Ravi Jaya Mobile: +91 97909 16181 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] LAMP Workshop Tomorrow
On 04-06-2010 20:51, Ravi Jaya wrote: On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Yuvi Pandayuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: According to the Wiki (http://wiki.ilugc.in/index.php?title=ILUGC_Summer_Workshops) there is a LAMP workshop at MIT tomorrow. I hope there was a plan, not about its current status. I pinged Ravi Jaya, whose name was on the wiki, and he said that he won't be able to do it tomorrow. Is Yes ,you are correct, since am working on tomorrow am occupied. there someone who can/is going to? if any body interested to take up, you are highly welcomed. @ Yuvi Panda, if really interested in the 'LAMP', then we can plan it one in this month end. since I can't make it tomorrow. But you should assure you would get minimum 15 to 20 participants. Let we talk to KG, if we can get the same venue it would be great. +1 I'm in Vatsala ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] 10 Linux rescue tools for recovering Linux, Windows, or Mac machines
Hello everybody, I have read the following article, it says the linux tools come in handy when the host system won’t boot, even for windows. http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1458 http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/itdojo/?p=1811tag=mantle_skin;content -- -Siddhu http://siddhumyl.blogspot.com/ Quote: I may never know the results of my action, but if i do nothing there will be no result. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Changes to the WebM Open Source License
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Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux [was] Google drops Windows in their workplace
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: yet I am still to see one post or person on this list in any way either trying to understand linus's viewpoint or propagate it. Why? So sweet! Now he got one :P Anyway, RMS summarises his views in this article: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html [snip] http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc Tell me, What if there is no GNU, No RMS ? No Linux right? basically if 15 % belongs to GNU, then we must say GNU rather then following to 1.5% If GNU is not eligible term in your POV then Linux is also not a eligible term. better always use like Fedora is a GNU/Linux based Operating System. 'Linux Operating System' is a confusing term and must be avoided. -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya │http://narendrasisodiya.com └─┘ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] BOSS Linux Advertising
Dear ILUGCs, I saw BOSS Linux Advertising in sun network Tamil channel. Is NRC-FOSS also turn into commercial side? -- Padhu, Pollachi. Knowledge is power ! Be an Energy (Opti)mizer - Use Electricity Wiser ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] BOSS Linux Advertising
2010/6/5 பத்மநாதன் indianath...@gmail.com: I saw BOSS Linux Advertising in sun network Tamil channel. Is NRC-FOSS also turn into commercial side? BOSS is handled by NRC-FOSS - C-DAC. Commercial is part of their agenda. Bye :) -- Bharathi Subramanian ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] 10 Linux rescue tools for recovering Linux, Windows, or Mac machines
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Siddhu wrote: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1458 http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/itdojo/?p=1811tag=mantle_skin;content Please don't post just a link alone. Add 3 or 4 lines of info about that. Bye :) -- Bharathi Subramanian ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] BOSS Linux Advertising
On 06/05/2010 05:53 AM, பத்மநாதன் wrote: Dear ILUGCs, I saw BOSS Linux Advertising in sun network Tamil channel. Is NRC-FOSS also turn into commercial side? While I wouldn't really wish BOSS Linux on anyone and I am not a fan of the entire initiative, I would hope that advertising on these mediums increases awareness of Linux and FOSS in general and it is very much welcome IMO to engage in commercial activities if it serves that purpose. As this is a government sponsored initiative, my concern is for my tax money to be used in a effective way to improve the life of the people in this country and if by deploying FOSS we can accelerate the process, then it is money well spend. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] BOSS Linux Advertising
While I wouldn't really wish BOSS Linux on anyone and I am not a fan of the entire initiative, I would hope that advertising on these mediums increases awareness of Linux and FOSS in general and it is very much welcome IMO to engage in commercial activities if it serves that purpose. As this is a government sponsored initiative, my concern is for my tax money to be used in a effective way to improve the life of the people in this country and if by deploying FOSS we can accelerate the process, then it is money well spend. I have seen the BOSS Linux ad on other regional channels too, but the problem is they advertise it as Linux and not BOSS or atleast BOSS Linux , it reads as so and so program is sponsored by Linux, Rexona, Clinic Plus etc etc not good. Cheers Satish -- http://satisheerpini.net ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] BOSS Linux Advertising
Rahul Sundaram wrote: As this is a government sponsored initiative, my concern is for my tax money to be used in a effective way to improve the life of the people in this country and if by deploying FOSS we can accelerate the process, then it is money well spend. +1. They can do (and have done) much worse with that money, so it's a consolation, I guess :) Vamsee. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux [was] Google drops Windows in their workplace
On Friday 04 June 2010 21:03:21 Arun SAG wrote: Anyway, RMS summarises his views in this article: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html [snip] http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc Tell me, What if there is no GNU, No RMS ? No Linux right? wrong - you are under the mistaken impression that the GNU project has developed and maintains the GNU toolchain. That is not correct. Many individuals have done and are doing this - the only thing is that some of them use the 'GNU' word. In fact, if I am not mistaken, Redhat maintains and develops a good part of it. So without RMS and without GNU, the toolchain would still exist and linux would still flourish. As far as I can see, those projects that are directly developed and maintained by the GNU project do not work properly and are mostly useless - like hurd. -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On Saturday 05 June 2010 01:17:14 narendra sisodiya wrote: Tell me, What if there is no GNU, No RMS ? No Linux right? basically if 15 % belongs to GNU, then we must say GNU rather then following to 1.5% why not remove the 1.5% that is linux? that way the percentage of GNU will go up and you can call it 'GNU'. After all removing 1.5% of the distro will not seriously harm it. -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] BOSS Linux Advertising
On 06/05/2010 08:24 AM, Satish Eerpini wrote: I have seen the BOSS Linux ad on other regional channels too, but the problem is they advertise it as Linux and not BOSS or atleast BOSS Linux , it reads as so and so program is sponsored by Linux, Rexona, Clinic Plus etc etc It is pretty much impossible to explain Linux or FOSS within a few seconds of advertising and if you try to conceptualize it, you will end up with something like the IBM Linux super bowl ad. Just in case you haven't seen that, take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwL0G9wK8j4 I am not sure that is very effective. Although it is a not a TV ad, Red Hat's series of films (http://www.redhat.com/videos/opensource/films.html) including Truth Happens are quite popular and always evoke a great response. End users don't care about Linux or Windows or whatever. That is a implementation detail that people with a fascination for technology talk attach themselves to and that is always going be a very tiny minority. Consumers care about specific products if it makes a difference in their lives. People care about their iPod's because it plays their music. They don't care the operating system it runs or the format of the music. So effectively, if at all you see TV ads or ads via any medium with Linux in it, it is guaranteed to be associated with a (commercial) product. Be it BOSS Linux or IBM on demand services or Red Hat or Novell etc. We shouldn't be lamenting about it because regardless of the specific product being advertised, it raises the profile of Linux on the whole. When I originally started out with Linux, when I mention it in bookstores or something, they would try and correct me and ask if I was talking about UNIX. That problem went away years back and that is a positive step. I think these ads might help regardless of whether BOSS Linux itself succeeds in the market place or not. In short, a rising tide lifts all boats. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux [was] Google drops Windows in their workplace
On 06/05/2010 08:47 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: wrong - you are under the mistaken impression that the GNU project has developed and maintains the GNU toolchain. That is not correct. Many individuals have done and are doing this - the only thing is that some of them use the 'GNU' word. In fact, if I am not mistaken, Redhat maintains and develops a good part of it. So without RMS and without GNU, the toolchain would still exist and linux would still flourish. As far as I can see, those projects that are directly developed and maintained by the GNU project do not work properly and are mostly useless - like hurd. Yes, Red Hat does maintain or contribute significantly to several GNU projects including coreutils, Glibc, GCC etc and while I understand your point, you seem to make a false distinction between directly and indirectly maintained projects from GNU. GNU is a umbrella effort of the FSF to create a completely free software environment and there is participation from volunteers and multiple organizations, commercial and otherwise. FSF doesn't employ anyone to directly to work on any of the GNU projects anymore although they did in the past. Some of the GNU projects are more successful than others but that is hardly remarkable. Rahul ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux
On Saturday 05 June 2010 09:02:48 you wrote: projects that are directly developed and maintained by the GNU project do not work properly and are mostly useless - like hurd. Yes, Red Hat does maintain or contribute significantly to several GNU projects including coreutils, Glibc, GCC etc and while I understand your point, you seem to make a false distinction between directly and indirectly maintained projects from GNU. GNU is a umbrella effort of the FSF to create a completely free software environment and there is participation from volunteers and multiple organizations, commercial and otherwise. FSF doesn't employ anyone to directly to work on any of the GNU projects anymore although they did in the past. I am in complete agreement with you. The reality is that every component of the linux os is maintained and developed by some one or the other. Some do it under their own banner, others do it under other banners. FSF has always had a drive to enroll developers under it's banner and get them to add 'GNU' to the name and license the software under the GPL and also assign the copyright to the FSF. Fair enough. Unfortunately there are some people who think that if a piece of software has the word 'GNU' in it, then it means that the GNU project has developed and is maintaining that software. This is as silly as saying that any software maintained and developed on sourceforge is maintained and developed by sourceforge. I also agree that in the early days, support of an umbrella organisation like GNU could have given some benefits of help and protection to the authors of the software. But that was 25-30 years ago. The situation is radically different now. Huge volumes of code, licensed under a plethora of licenses and hosted all over the place have been produced. All without the 'protection' of the GNU project. Also I find that apart from RMS, no developer is really bothered about the name and banner under which the software he is developing is. If one joins any project, or contributes to one, one accepts whatever name is there. Sometimes in the case of a fork or in case of disagreement, there may be a name change - but this is rare. What I am fighting against is the idea that 'without GNU toolchain there would have been no linux'. The people who developed the components of the toolchain would still have developed them - they would have named it something else. That is all. -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] BOSS Linux Advertising
Rahul Sundaram wrote: End users don't care about Linux or Windows or whatever. That is a implementation detail that people with a fascination for technology talk attach themselves to and that is always going be a very tiny minority. Consumers care about specific products if it makes a difference in their lives. People care about their iPod's because it plays their music. They don't care the operating system it runs or the format of the music. While that is also true, most end users are not dumb either, so if we can sell them the concept of Linux in a simple manner, they will understand it. People don't exactly know what Intel Inside means, but they know it stands for a proven piece of technology that runs their PCs. If we can convey to people that Linux is free, open and secure and why they should care about it in a simple manner, I think even end-users respond to that. It's quite similar to why some people pay more to get greener cars: if they know the benefit, they'll go the extra mile. But I agree with your larger point though - if somebody is going to have to pay for educating consumers on a massive scale, a commercial entity that aligns with those interests is one of the more viable options. Vamsee. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how to run a php file with apache
On Friday 04 June 2010 18:18:50 Rajesh Pandian wrote: but when the browser is pointed to a php file, a file open or download dialog comes up. What am I missing? But when this happened to me last time(in firefox, ubuntu). Didn't do any conf changes I opened it using chrome it solved. Still don't know the reason for it. this is weird - it works in konqueror, but firefox is still giving a dialogue box. -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how to run a php file with apache
On Saturday 05 June 2010 11:18:52 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Friday 04 June 2010 18:18:50 Rajesh Pandian wrote: but when the browser is pointed to a php file, a file open or download dialog comes up. What am I missing? But when this happened to me last time(in firefox, ubuntu). Didn't do any conf changes I opened it using chrome it solved. Still don't know the reason for it. this is weird - it works in konqueror, but firefox is still giving a dialogue box. my mistake - it is not working in konqueror - konqueror is just opening and displaying the file contents -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how to run a php file with apache
this is weird - it works in konqueror, but firefox is still giving a dialogue box. cleared cache, temp files, history? -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open Source Jobs http://fossjobs.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
