Re: [Ilugc] Remote Desktop problem from 10.04 to 10.04

[Balasubramaniam Natarajan]

> Now I am able to see the display:1 of the box.  When I try to run
> vncserver :0 I get an error saying that my display is already locked.  So I
> installed x11vnc which will help me see the display:0, this time I did not
> get a complaint.  Locally on the machine I am able to see the screen using
> vncviewer localhost:0, however when I try to access it remotely I get the
> same problem like vino server (Black screen).
>

I found out the source of the problem, it was the proprietary nvidia
driver, once I uninstalled it I am able to see the display:0 which is run
by x11vnc.

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Re: [Ilugc] Remote Desktop problem from 10.04 to 10.04

[Balasubramaniam Natarajan]

Now I am able to see the display:1 of the box.  When I try to run vncserver
:0 I get an error saying that my display is already locked.  So I installed
x11vnc which will help me see the display:0, this time I did not get a
complaint.  Locally on the machine I am able to see the screen using
vncviewer localhost:0, however when I try to access it remotely I get the
same problem like vino server (Black screen).

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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg

[kenneth gonsalves]

On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 18:04 +0530, ARUN PALANIAPPAN wrote:
> > The survey in question was
> > badly framed, invasive of privacy and you were right in only filling
> it
> > in partially. I hope you did not give your name and email address in
> the
> > survey.
> >
> 
> Oops.. They came in the first page and I think I gave them!! 

a lot of these so-called phd/research surveys are by spammers who want
to harvest personal details and email addresses. One has to be careful.
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Re: [Ilugc] Roundcube web mail backend interface

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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
>> It is working fine with its functionality like send/receiving mail  but i
>> needed the backend interface for controlling the mail server like adding
>> the new mail user,mail box size controller etc.
>
> RoundCube is just a web mail client, created for sending/reading
> emails using a web interface.
>
> It is not a email server admin software.
>
> You have to do all the admin tasks inside the server manually, or try
> the web based server management tools as "webmin"
>

Correct.

Roundcube uses SMTP and IMAP in the backend.

So if you simply add a real user using useradd or adduser roundcube
will start recognizing.

In case you are using virtual users then you can use the appropriate tool.

But I think even virtual users are mapped to real UNIX accounts with
/bin/false as the shell
 or something.

That is what I do in my mail server.

Roundcube is a brilliant tool, I am happy you are using it.

Create folders, preview pane, HTML mail inline display and so on.

People get an Outlook like experience on the web.

At least my customer is very happy with it.

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Re: [Ilugc] Mailing List Etiquette

[Balasubramaniam Natarajan]

> >> Person A replies
> > Person E asks some question
>  Person D disagrees
> >>> Person C agrees
> >> Person B replies
> > Person A asks something
>
> When a discussion goes like this, you have to remove all the old
> discussions, if you want to add content.
> quoting all the previous discussions is called over quoting.
>
> Just imagine, how it will look, in the previous example, all the
> content are huge paragraphs instead of single lines.
>
> So, trimming all the unwanted content is always good.
>

Got it.

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Re: [Ilugc] Remote Desktop problem from 10.04 to 10.04

[Balasubramaniam Natarajan]

>
> I have found great success with freenx-server and the respective
> client working great even on an ADSL link.
>
>
Found the solution as to why VNC was not showing up because in the
~/.vnc/xstartup file sh word was missing in the line exec
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc

I will try freenx-server as well in the near future,  it is always good to
know the workaround :-) thanks Rajagopal.

http://www.havetheknowhow.com/Configure-the-server/Install-VNC.html

#!/bin/sh

# Uncomment the following two lines for normal desktop:
unset SESSION_MANAGER
exec sh /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc

[ -x /etc/vnc/xstartup ] && exec /etc/vnc/xstartup
[ -r $HOME/.Xresources ] && xrdb $HOME/.Xresources
xsetroot -solid grey
vncconfig -iconic &
x-terminal-emulator -geometry 1280x1024+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP
Desktop" &
x-window-manager &

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Re: [Ilugc] Roundcube web mail backend interface

[Shrinivasan T]

> It is working fine with its functionality like send/receiving mail  but i
> needed the backend interface for controlling the mail server like adding
> the new mail user,mail box size controller etc.

RoundCube is just a web mail client, created for sending/reading
emails using a web interface.

It is not a email server admin software.

You have to do all the admin tasks inside the server manually, or try
the web based server management tools as "webmin"

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Re: [Ilugc] Mailing List Etiquette

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Balasubramaniam Natarajan
 wrote:
| I went through the presentation, I did not understand the over quoting and
| the message digest that clearly.
\--

Over-quoting includes nesting of previous replies identified by '>':

>>>
>>
>

For example:

http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2005-October/021290.html

The following is an example of a reply to a digest where the user has
top-posted, and forgotten to remove the irrelevant text:

http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2005-October/021243.html

So, one hopes to see some text at the bottom, and scrolls all the way
down to the end of the message only to realize that the user has
top-posted.

The following is an example of a reply to a digest where the user has
bottom-posted, and forgotten to keep only the relevant text:

http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2005-November/022002.html

In both cases, the subject lines haven't been changed, and there is a
trail of messages that are irrelevant.

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Re: [Ilugc] Mailing List Etiquette

[Shrinivasan T]

> Okay clear, however would like to know about over quote.

>> Person A replies
> Person E asks some question
 Person D disagrees
>>> Person C agrees
>> Person B replies
> Person A asks something

When a discussion goes like this, you have to remove all the old
discussions, if you want to add content.
quoting all the previous discussions is called over quoting.

Just imagine, how it will look, in the previous example, all the
content are huge paragraphs instead of single lines.

So, trimming all the unwanted content is always good.
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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Explanation and request- Reg

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:13 PM, arunpalaniappan@gmail.com
 wrote:
| What I meant was I was hurt by the sentence which I quoted in my replies.
\--

You just misunderstood it. Please don't write/give your personal info
or status on public mailing lists. Be conscious of what you submit to
surveys or third-party websites. It is the same mistake that people
make by giving their passwords away to social networking websites.

Please don't take things personal. If you do, the public mailing list
shouldn't be used for personal discussions. Private discussions have
to be kept private. By making private discussions public, you lose
people's trust in trying to help you in private (so as to not hurt
your image in public). At the end of the day, if you follow advice,
you benefit. We have nothing to lose.

---
| I request your pardon if I had hurt you or caused inconvenience by any means.
| I also express my apology if any part of this mail or its
predecessorp hurt you
\--

No worries!

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Re: [Ilugc] Mailing List Etiquette

[Balasubramaniam Natarajan]

>
> Mailing lists have a message digest notification mode to its
> subscribers (for those who do not want individual emails). Thankfully
> not on this list but elsewhere, I receive replies by subscribers to
> the digest.
>
> Two issues with this:
> a) the whole digest gets quoted which is absurb.
> b) I need to figure out to which specific message the subscriber is
> replying or giving his views on.
>
> Amongst mailing list evils, this is the most evil, IMHO.
>
> -- Mohan Sundaram
>

Okay clear, however would like to know about over quote.

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Re: [Ilugc] Mailing List Etiquette

[Mohan Sundaram]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Balasubramaniam Natarajan
 wrote:
> I went through the presentation, I did not understand the over quoting and
> the message digest that clearly.

Mailing lists have a message digest notification mode to its
subscribers (for those who do not want individual emails). Thankfully
not on this list but elsewhere, I receive replies by subscribers to
the digest.

Two issues with this:
a) the whole digest gets quoted which is absurb.
b) I need to figure out to which specific message the subscriber is
replying or giving his views on.

Amongst mailing list evils, this is the most evil, IMHO.

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Re: [Ilugc] Remote Desktop problem from 10.04 to 10.04

[Rajagopal Swaminathan]

Greetings,

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Balasubramaniam Natarajan
 wrote:
> Hi
>

I have found great success with freenx-server and the respective
client working great even on an ADSL link.


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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Explanation and request- Reg

[arunpalaniappan....@gmail.com]

Sir 
Thank you for your response. I got the context of your mail and I assure you 
that I will follow that henceforth. 
 What I meant was I was hurt by the sentence which I quoted in my replies.
Further I just typed go the reply box underneath the mail and sent the reply 
(as per normal reply) unaware of the fact that gmail had clubbed your private 
mail too in the bunch of replies. Only after Shri. T. Shrinivasan explained me 
about that, I learned about the mistake.
But it was too late that the mail got delivered and few replies came. Hence, I 
had to explain what happened.
I request your pardon if I had hurt you or caused inconvenience by any means. I 
also express my apology if any part of this mail or its predecessorp hurt you

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Re: [Ilugc] Call for Speakers - July Meet

[Balasubramaniam Natarajan]

> Topic
>
>
Would love to hear if someone present on developing GUI using python.

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Re: [Ilugc] Mailing List Etiquette

[Balasubramaniam Natarajan]

@Shakti

I went through the presentation, I did not understand the over quoting and
the message digest that clearly.

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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Explanation and request- Reg

[arunpalaniappan....@gmail.com]

Sir 
Thank you for your response. I got the context of your mail and I assure you 
that I will follow that henceforth. 
 What I meant was I was hurt by the sentence which I quoted in my replies.
Further I just typed go the reply box underneath the mail and sent the reply 
(as per normal reply) unaware of the fact that gmail had clubbed your private 
mail too in the bunch of replies. Only after Shri. T. Shrinivasan explained me 
about that, I learned about the mistake.
But it was too late that the mail got delivered and few replies came. Hence, I 
had to explain what happened.
I request your pardon if I had hurt you or caused inconvenience by any means. I 
also express my apology if any part of this mail or its predecessorp hurt you

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Re: [Ilugc] Help Required - Internet connectivity

[Niam Computech]

Hi

>> #1 Which Internet Service Provider?
>>
>> ---

Airtel, Hathway, reliance, Aircel, Tata??

>>
>> #2 What is your network setup?
>>
>
>  Network Setup In windows. by setting a username and password while
> adding a new network.it will connect automatically whenever it is booted.
>

Which modem/router? Brand, model number etc. In windows ISP usually 
install their own programs to help user install internet BUT in Ubuntu 
or GNU/Linux user has to do this manually.

I am using Ubuntu 12.04 and all my username/password, IP addresses, 
Gateway, DNS settings are saved in router (provided by ISP) itself. So 
in order to access Internet what I have to do is just plug in network cable.

>>
>> #3 How does the machine connect to the broadband?
>>
>
> by using the user name and password.
>

Wifi or wired?

>>
>> When asking for help, please try to give enough info for others to help
>> you.


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Re: [Ilugc] Help Required - Internet connectivity

[Niam Computech]

On 07/04/2012 07:47 PM, Muthukumar S wrote:
> I am using Ubuntu 12.04 latest version, Can any one help how to connect
> internet in that machine.
>
> I am having You broadband and having username and password to connect.

Is it wifi or wired?

1. Always prefer storing username/password in router settings. In this 
way other people can also use interet at your place/office.

goto http://192.168.1.1
username - admin
password - admin / password (just use one of these)

2. If wifi and you have broadcom chipset then Ubuntu 12.04 has a bug for 
these chipsets. Run following commands everytime you log in then you 
will be able to connect through wifi.

terminal> sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb wl
terminal> sudo modprobe wl

I would recommend creating bash script for these.

3. Ubuntu 12.04 supports mostly all ethernet chipsets. Just after 
following first step plug in the cable and net will work.

NOTE:- Above are generic instructions. Without hardware/connection 
details I can't provide much help.

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Re: [Ilugc] Help Required - Internet connectivity

[Muthukumar S]

Thanks SK.

My answers are highlighted.

Regards,,
Muthukumar.



On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> --- On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Muthukumar  S
>  wrote:
> | I am using Ubuntu 12.04 latest version, Can any one help how to connect
> | internet in that machine.
> \--
>
> #1 Which Internet Service Provider?
>
> ---
> | I am having You broadband is my service provider and having username
> and password to connect.
> \--
>
> #2 What is your network setup?
>

Network Setup In windows. by setting a username and password while
adding a new network.it will connect automatically whenever it is booted.

>
> #3 How does the machine connect to the broadband?
>

by using the user name and password.

>
> When asking for help, please try to give enough info for others to help
> you.
>
> SK
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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[Niam Computech]

On 07/04/2012 08:03 PM, Arun Khan wrote:
> People jump the queues.
> People jump the red signal @ intersections and curse at the driver who
> has the right of way!
> People in the local train, quite far away from the office but telling
> their boss they will be in the office within 5 mins.
> The "B.E." degree holder expects to be given a step by step
> instructions to do the job
> ... You can add your anecdotes here ...

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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[Arun Khan]

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
> we are asking list members to avoid top and bottom posts for long time.
>
> we do not explain them well on why we need to avoid them.
>
> i request you all to give your explanations on why to avoid top and bottom
> post with links and screenshots.

See the discussions in the CentOS general mailing list


Debian list  where majority
follow the mailing list etiquette.

List members in above are as busy as most members here, some are
senior admins at their respective job places or consulting practices
and yet they do *find* the to follow mailing list etiquette and
format/trim their responses.

Hopefully, the above examples drive home the point about the value of
following mailing list guidelines.

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Re: [Ilugc] Help Required - Internet connectivity

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Muthukumar  S
 wrote:
| I am using Ubuntu 12.04 latest version, Can any one help how to connect
| internet in that machine.
\--

#1 Which Internet Service Provider?

---
| I am having You broadband and having username and password to connect.
\--

#2 What is your network setup?

#3 How does the machine connect to the broadband?

When asking for help, please try to give enough info for others to help you.

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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[Arun Khan]

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:

 snip 

> I am not getting this regulations, in office and in most of the other lists.
> If there are regular inspection on how I am replying, I will be just a
> reader than contributor"

Let us suppose that the office imposes certain guidelines regarding
email etiquette that are contrary to your "email habit" ;  are you
going to flout those regulations?   Probably not :)

Nobody is inspecting any one's responses, but it is exposing your
attitude that you are not willing to learn or change your habit.

My early experience in mailing lists was similar but after reading
properly formatted responses, I realized the value it added to the
discussions and changed my response style to the guide lines in place
be it office, mailing lists, or web forums.

> These are the words I am hearing from many people for years.

And perhaps for many more years because there will always be guys who
do not want to change or learn to respect the guidelines.

> If we are constantly regulating the writing style, I fear that we may
> loss many list contributors and useful discussions.

Writing style can vary from person to person and their command over
the language.   In the days when USENET was the place for technical
discussions, there were folks who could not write proper English but
they respected the guidelines and managed to get their point across.

> I think we need to do something to remove the fears of the list
> members to write to list.

This is the *only* list where I read that people are fearful to post.
Who are these people and what exactly are they afraid of?

If their fear is centered around breaking the guidelines (inspite of
so many helpful links being given every time this topic comes up) then
I would say they are afraid of speaking in *any* public forum not just
mailing lists.  IMO, they need to enroll themselves into public
speaking workshops to overcome this fear.

No Pain, No Gain.

> What should we have to do?

We go through this discussion about every six months :)   For people
to have a meaningful experience, they must realize they need to follow
the guidelines.  Otherwise they are sending the wrong message "The
guidelines are for the general public, I am special (aka very busy
person) and it does not apply to me"

IMO, such people are looking for a one way change, you accept my way
of working - never mind that I agreed to the guidelines when I
subscribed to the list.

IMO, this is a manifestation of a general attitude, of the public at
large and you can see it everywhere (not just mailing lists), for
example:

People jump the queues.
People jump the red signal @ intersections and curse at the driver who
has the right of way!
People in the local train, quite far away from the office but telling
their boss they will be in the office within 5 mins.
The "B.E." degree holder expects to be given a step by step
instructions to do the job
... You can add your anecdotes here ...

My 10 paise.

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[Ilugc] Help Required - Internet connectivity

[Muthukumar S]

Hi All,


Good Evening.

I am using Ubuntu 12.04 latest version, Can any one help how to connect
internet in that machine.

I am having You broadband and having username and password to connect.


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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[Arun Khan]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Vignesh Nandha Kumar
 wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Arun Khan  wrote:
>
>>
>> Besides guidelines in top/bottom posting, I would like to highlight the
>> need for
>>
>> 1.  "quoting" only the relevant portions of the message when replying.
>>  It is very annoying to see +1 or a me too (at least to me) at the end
>> of a long quoted message.   Here the chap has followed the guideline
>> of bottom posting but has unnecessarily quoted the entire posting
>> which is anyway available in the list archives and sorted by
>> thread/subject.
>>
>
> There is already "Use interleaved, trimmed posting" in the guidelines. I
> think "trimmed" covers your point. May be it's too subtle.
>

Yes, interleaved posting is one aspect where you rejoinder your
response to specific paras in the post.

I was pointing to people simply doing a +1 either @ the top or @ the
bottom repeating the entire message as quotes.   At times, in the
entire quote, there are different opinions on the issue and it is not
clear who you are agreeing to!
IMO one could trim the quote to points that you agree with.

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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ARUN PALANIAPPAN
 wrote:
| Oops.. They came in the first page and I think I gave them!!
\--

That is exactly why I sent you a private e-mail, so you don't disclose
personal information outside. If you didn't understand the context,
you could have simply asked.

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[Ilugc] Call for Speakers - July Meet

[Shrinivasan T]

Friends.

We have our July month meet on July 14, 2012.

Reply here if you are interested to give a talk, with the following details.

Topic
Description
Duration
Links to read
About the speaker

Thanks.


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Re: [Ilugc] ns2 validation problems in fedora 16....

[Shrinivasan T]

Hi,


> ns2 validation fails by 5 tests

Do you get any error message?

Share the error message here.


> but, installed successfully... paths are set.
>
> since validation fails by 5 tests from the module tcl/tk, i couldnt run ns2
> by the command ns

What is the error message you get on executing the command ns?

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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg

[ARUN PALANIAPPAN]

2012/7/4 kenneth gonsalves 

> On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 14:27 +0530, ARUN PALANIAPPAN wrote:
>
>
> you have not read the mail properly - the author was praising you. And
> your mail was a very good and accurate one.


Thank you for your reply Sir. I was not replying for  Shri. Arun
Venkataswamy. I learned later that it was a private mail which I have
explained in my earlier mail.



> The survey in question was
> badly framed, invasive of privacy and you were right in only filling it
> in partially. I hope you did not give your name and email address in the
> survey.
>

Oops.. They came in the first page and I think I gave them!!

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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg

[ARUN PALANIAPPAN]

2012/7/4 Arun Venkataswamy 

> Arun Palaniappan,
> Your reply coming after my mail in the thread make it looks as if I sent
> the private mail to you. If you want to complain and bring notice about a
> private mail in this list, have the courage to mention the person and
> contents of that mail before you reply.


> I was the one who complemented you in this list by asking you to change
> poor to proud. But I should add here that you need to change your victim
> and complaining attitude if you want to grow.
>
>
Sir, I am not mentioning you.
I recieved a mail with ILUG-C in topic and after reading through, I just
pressed the Reply Button and replied. I was not aware of the fact that
members in the list may reply to the persons in individual also. Thanks to
Shri. T. Shrinivasan, who in a  private chat, made me understand that the
other mail was a private mail and not the one from the list.

I donot want to create unrest by mentioning the writer of the mail but, I
just post the mail content below for a further understanding.

I felt very much insulted on seeing the mail below. I accept the critisicm
of not abiding to the rules. But, I cant accept someone degrading my
profession.

Thank you,


-- Forwarded message --
From: Shakthi Kannan 
Date: 2012/7/4
Subject: Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg
To: arunpalaniappan@gmail.com

Hi,

--- On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:51 PM, ARUN PALANIAPPAN
 wrote:
| I am a poor Mechanical Engineer,
\--

Nobody is interested to know if you are poor or rich.

---
| The reason behind my too long (may be wierd) explanation is that I could
| not complete your survey. Strictly speaking, I could not understand few
| questions as they are beyond my understanding level.
| Further, after seeing the full list of questions,  I feel that few of my
| answers  are inappropriate  .
|
| I feel that this questionnarie might be a good one for Open Source
| Developer but, not so  for a normal Open Source Software *User*
\--

Write your feedback to the person who sent the survey, not to the list!

---
| Hence, I request your apology for incompletion of the quiz. I also request
| you to delete my replies if they are inappropriate. I also beg your pardon
| if my mail is hurting you by any means.
\--

You are not obliged to complete the survey.

If you have any specific feedback, write to the author who sent the
survey, and not to the list!

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Re: [Ilugc] history per dir

[km]

Dear Karthik,

Thanks for your input. I find this link below very interesting and
does just as   I thought.
https://gist.github.com/1651133

Regards,
KM

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> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:08 AM, km  wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I have a requirement that I would like to save executed command
>> history in the same dir. So that I could revise back and see what was
>> executed in each dir. This would be valuable for making meaning of
>> such  backups when they become old.
>> Could some one provide me with inputs ?
>>
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> Hi,
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> Please go through the url http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/520640
>
> They wrote some script to acheive your requirements.
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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg

[kenneth gonsalves]

On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 14:27 +0530, ARUN PALANIAPPAN wrote:
> I am sorry for this mail.
> 
> I received the survey request through this list only and I feel it is
> appropriate to comment on that using this list only. . I was shocked
> on
> seeing a reply mail, insulting me.
> 
> >>Nobody is interested to know if you are poor or rich.
> 
> I feel very much insulted by this sentence. 

you have not read the mail properly - the author was praising you. And
your mail was a very good and accurate one. The survey in question was
badly framed, invasive of privacy and you were right in only filling it
in partially. I hope you did not give your name and email address in the
survey.
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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[kenneth gonsalves]

On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 14:06 +0530, Vignesh Nandha Kumar wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Roshan Mathews 
> wrote:
> 
> > +1
> >
> 
> What an irony. You +1 KG's reply (assuming so. See this is the problem
> with
> top posting) with a top post :D

he was plus one for Srini's post - no top poster would agree with me.
> 
> Btw, I'm not sure if this reply of mine is at the right place. When
> one top
> posts, where do you place your reply to that?

correct place

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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg

[Niam Computech]

On 07/04/2012 03:11 PM, Vignesh Nandha Kumar wrote:
> Come on dude, get rid of this complaining attitude. This is a community. If
> you feel something is not right, just say so. Don't humiliate yourself. If
> you say something wrong, you would learn it from the replies to it. But
> *learning*  from the mistakes is very important.

@Vignesh - +1 mate.


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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg

[Arun Venkataswamy]

Arun Palaniappan,
Your reply coming after my mail in the thread make it looks as if I sent
the private mail to you. If you want to complain and bring notice about a
private mail in this list, have the courage to mention the person and
contents of that mail before you reply.

I was the one who complemented you in this list by asking you to change
poor to proud. But I should add here that you need to change your victim
and complaining attitude if you want to grow.

All the best.

[To the list guideline managers] The only way I could reply to this post
was a top post. Could not find a way to do it otherwise :)

Regards,
Arun


On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:27 PM, ARUN PALANIAPPAN <
arunpalaniappan@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> I am sorry for this mail.
>
> I received the survey request through this list only and I feel it is
> appropriate to comment on that using this list only. . I was shocked on
> seeing a reply mail, insulting me.
>
> >>Nobody is interested to know if you are poor or rich.
>
> I feel very much insulted by this sentence.
>
> The writer has insisted me to send my feedback to the author not to the
> list. I get his point. But, I have one query.
>
> I was not the only one who has given a feedback. There is one more feedback
> to the survey request, which was posted well before my reply. But, there
> was no mention on that. Does rules or advise apply only to newbies?
>
> I strongly feel that mailing a person about one of  his/her post, who does
> not have my contact, is not so ethical. Further, this is not some thing
> like a service or art that requires feedback of the work. I just replied
> expressing my inability to complete the surveyalong with appreciation for
> his task.
>
> I feel verymuch depressed by the reply mail, which has humiliated me.
>
> If the members in the list feel that this list is not for one who does not
> practise software profession, or if this list is something only for a group
> of people, I request you to kindly relieve me from the list.
>
> Thank you
>
> --
> Regards,
> ARUN P
>
>
>
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Re: [Ilugc] Mailing List Etiquette

[Vignesh Nandha Kumar]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> --- On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Vignesh Nandha Kumar
>  wrote:
> | Good one. The link labelled "ILUG-C guidelines" in References (last
> slide)
> | is broken. I guess it should be http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines/.
> I
> | understand the pdf was prepared long back. However, we can get the odp
> file
> | from
> |
> http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.odpand
> | update the link, as it is under GNU FDL.
> \--
>
> What is stopping you from making the change, and sending it to
> upstream?


Nothing. I was just pointing out the broken thing.

It is always good to push changes to upstream, so everyone
> downstream benefits from your change.
>

Of course. When I make any changes, I would definitely push it to you.

>
> Anyways, the link has now been updated in the presentation.
>

Thanks.


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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg

[Vignesh Nandha Kumar]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:27 PM, ARUN PALANIAPPAN <
arunpalaniappan@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> I received the survey request through this list only and I feel it is
> appropriate to comment on that using this list only.


If you couldn't fill the survey form, replying to the OP would have been
appropriate.

I was shocked on
> seeing a reply mail, insulting me.
>
> >>Nobody is interested to know if you are poor or rich.
>

I don't see such reply in this thread. Was it sent to you alone and not to
this list?

Whatever, while taking part in such forums, you should be ready to accept
criticism and learn from it. Sometimes it might feel harsh for a newbie,
but you should get used to straight forward replies.

>
> I feel very much insulted by this sentence.
>

I'm not sure what you meant by poor. If you were talking about economical
status, definitely it's not so nice to talk about it here. Else, the reply
makes no sense. Either way, there is no insult, IMO.

I was not the only one who has given a feedback. There is one more feedback
> to the survey request, which was posted well before my reply. But, there
> was no mention on that. Does rules or advise apply only to newbies?
>
> ...

If the members in the list feel that this list is not for one who does not
> practise software profession, or if this list is something only for a group
> of people, I request you to kindly relieve me from the list.
>

Come on dude, get rid of this complaining attitude. This is a community. If
you feel something is not right, just say so. Don't humiliate yourself. If
you say something wrong, you would learn it from the replies to it. But
*learning* from the mistakes is very important.


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Re: [Ilugc] Meeting Notes - June 2012 Meet

[Shrinivasan T]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:19 PM, masatheesh  wrote:
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/ilugc.in/June2012Meeting

> Is this URL working?

Thanks for noting.
It was a private album so far.

Made it as public.


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Re: [Ilugc] Mailing List Etiquette

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Vignesh Nandha Kumar
 wrote:
| Good one. The link labelled "ILUG-C guidelines" in References (last slide)
| is broken. I guess it should be http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines/. I
| understand the pdf was prepared long back. However, we can get the odp file
| from
| 
http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.odpand
| update the link, as it is under GNU FDL.
\--

What is stopping you from making the change, and sending it to
upstream? It is always good to push changes to upstream, so everyone
downstream benefits from your change.

Anyways, the link has now been updated in the presentation.

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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[amachu]

On 03.07.2012 21:23, Shrinivasan T wrote:
> The new comers scare to mail to our list on the fear of
> top/bottom/middle post threats.
> So, some of them remove all the content and type their replies.

this is due the casual attitude many of us have, even me.

While signing, they are sent the guidelines to adhere to while posting 
to the list. (if not this can be done.)

Many do not care.

Most only confirm the subscription. By choosing to join the list - they 
need to know about it.

By observing others posting to the list - they can get what it is.

This is not the case just with this list but everywhere.

At times, despite being aware of the facts - everyone of us could make 
mistakes.

So when somebody points to it, its a reminder. Nothing much to bother.

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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg

[ARUN PALANIAPPAN]

Dear Friends,

I am sorry for this mail.

I received the survey request through this list only and I feel it is
appropriate to comment on that using this list only. . I was shocked on
seeing a reply mail, insulting me.

>>Nobody is interested to know if you are poor or rich.

I feel very much insulted by this sentence.

The writer has insisted me to send my feedback to the author not to the
list. I get his point. But, I have one query.

I was not the only one who has given a feedback. There is one more feedback
to the survey request, which was posted well before my reply. But, there
was no mention on that. Does rules or advise apply only to newbies?

I strongly feel that mailing a person about one of  his/her post, who does
not have my contact, is not so ethical. Further, this is not some thing
like a service or art that requires feedback of the work. I just replied
expressing my inability to complete the surveyalong with appreciation for
his task.

I feel verymuch depressed by the reply mail, which has humiliated me.

If the members in the list feel that this list is not for one who does not
practise software profession, or if this list is something only for a group
of people, I request you to kindly relieve me from the list.

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Linux For you Magazine has covered Niam's Ubuntu Powered Desktops and 
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Re: [Ilugc] Meeting Notes - June 2012 Meet

[masatheesh]

https://picasaweb.google.com/ilugc.in/June2012Meeting


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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[Guruprasad]

Hi,

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Vignesh Nandha Kumar
 wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Roshan Mathews  wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>
> What an irony. You +1 KG's reply (assuming so. See this is the problem with
> top posting) with a top post :D
>
> Btw, I'm not sure if this reply of mine is at the right place. When one top
> posts, where do you place your reply to that?

I'd say place your reply below the part you're replying to and trim the rest.

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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[Niam Computech]

On 07/04/2012 02:06 PM, Vignesh Nandha Kumar wrote:
> When one top
> posts, where do you place your reply to that?

Bottom :-)


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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[Vignesh Nandha Kumar]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Roshan Mathews  wrote:

> +1
>

What an irony. You +1 KG's reply (assuming so. See this is the problem with
top posting) with a top post :D

Btw, I'm not sure if this reply of mine is at the right place. When one top
posts, where do you place your reply to that?

>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:02 PM, kenneth gonsalves
>  wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 21:47 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote:
> >
> >> If a person wishes to answer a question, he chooses the easiest way or
> >> his own way to reply.
> >> When we ask him to change the way he replies, he gets the same
> >> thoughts on mind as
> >>
> >> "I get little free time, I wish to make it useful for the community.
> >> I check email and reply, if I know the answers for any queries.
> >> If there are restrictions a.k.a guidelines on how I have to reply to a
> >> email,
> >> I will skip replying, instead of formatting the email for better
> >> readability.
> >
> > to be frank, we do not need such people on this list. This attitude is
> > typical of the casual, sloppy, unprofessional attitude towards work that
> > many people have. If you do something, take pride in doing it to the
> > best of your ability in an orderly and correct manner, respecting the
> > rules and conventions followed in the field in which you are operating.
> > If you cannot, do everyone a favour by going and doing something else.
> > Formulating a reply on a mailing list - or contributing code to a
> > project, or filing a bug report or anything else worth doing is worth
> > doing well.
>


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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[Roshan Mathews]

+1

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:02 PM, kenneth gonsalves
 wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 21:47 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote:
>
>> If a person wishes to answer a question, he chooses the easiest way or
>> his own way to reply.
>> When we ask him to change the way he replies, he gets the same
>> thoughts on mind as
>>
>> "I get little free time, I wish to make it useful for the community.
>> I check email and reply, if I know the answers for any queries.
>> If there are restrictions a.k.a guidelines on how I have to reply to a
>> email,
>> I will skip replying, instead of formatting the email for better
>> readability.
>
> to be frank, we do not need such people on this list. This attitude is
> typical of the casual, sloppy, unprofessional attitude towards work that
> many people have. If you do something, take pride in doing it to the
> best of your ability in an orderly and correct manner, respecting the
> rules and conventions followed in the field in which you are operating.
> If you cannot, do everyone a favour by going and doing something else.
> Formulating a reply on a mailing list - or contributing code to a
> project, or filing a bug report or anything else worth doing is worth
> doing well. An example:
>
> one fine day I had the bright idea of contributing a small feature to
> the django project. I studied all the guidelines I could find, looked at
> the code in similar modules, wrote up the patch, tried it out and then
> posted a ticket and sat back waiting for acceptance and praise to flow
> in. Some one accepted the ticket and said 'where are your tests?'. I
> said 'doctests are there'. He said 'we need unit tests'. I went back,
> wrote unit tests, ran them and resubmitted. Then he said - 'tests are
> failing for python 2.5'. Went back, set up a virtualenv, installed 2.5
> and found the problem was upstream. The guy was good enough to check the
> upstream problem, and let me know when it was fixed. Tests passed - I
> resubmitted. Then he asks - 'you have not added docs for the new
> feature'. Went back and added docs. Resubmitted. Then he wants all the
> changes in one patch. Figured out how to do that and finally, after 6
> months, my 10 lines of code was accepted.
>
> At last inpycon, I was relating my experience to a friend who is a top
> class programmer and an expert in django. He said he had the same
> experience and was like 'who do these guys think they are? They should
> be grateful for any contribution - not nitpick on the formatting'. He
> refuses to contribute. That to me sounds like the attitude of top
> posters in this list.
>>
>> I am not getting this regulations, in office
>
> office mail is totally different - most offices have the policy of
> compulsory top posting and full quoting of the mail in order to keep
> context.
>>  and in most of the other lists.
>
> which lists are these?
>> If there are regular inspection on how I am replying, I will be just a
>> reader than contributor"
>
> so be it - as far as I am concerned the only greater pleasure than
> reading well crafted, precisely formatted replies to queries on mailing
> lists is managing to write such replies.
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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[Vignesh Nandha Kumar]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:02 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote:

> On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 21:47 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote:
>
> > If a person wishes to answer a question, he chooses the easiest way or
> > his own way to reply.
> > When we ask him to change the way he replies, he gets the same
> > thoughts on mind as
> >
> > "I get little free time, I wish to make it useful for the community.
> > I check email and reply, if I know the answers for any queries.
> > If there are restrictions a.k.a guidelines on how I have to reply to a
> > email,
> > I will skip replying, instead of formatting the email for better
> > readability.
>
> to be frank, we do not need such people on this list. This attitude is
> typical of the casual, sloppy, unprofessional attitude towards work that
> many people have. If you do something, take pride in doing it to the
> best of your ability in an orderly and correct manner, respecting the
> rules and conventions followed in the field in which you are operating.
> If you cannot, do everyone a favour by going and doing something else.
> Formulating a reply on a mailing list - or contributing code to a
> project, or filing a bug report or anything else worth doing is worth
> doing well.
>

+1.

People who complain so should look at things from the reader's perspective.
They should think of how frustrating it would be for them to read an
ill-formatted documentation. Mailing list is no different from that -
discussions are meant to be referenced by a wider community, even more than
the subscribers of the mailing list.

I find answers to many of doubts by search results from mailing lists. When
the search results you get have unformatted, top-posted replies, many of us
would feel like "Who asked this guy to reply? He should have better kept
quiet". Exact same thing here. When you create something to be consumed by
a community, either make it as best as possible or don't do it at all.


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Re: [Ilugc] Remote Desktop problem from 10.04 to 10.04

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Hi

I installed vnc4server today and started the server like

vncserver :1

when connected I got a black screen with just the terminal.

So I went inside .vnc/xstartup and uncommented the following two lines of
session_manger and X11, now even I don't even get the command prompt.  Just
a black screen.

#!/bin/sh

# Uncomment the following two lines for normal desktop:
unset SESSION_MANAGER
exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc

[ -x /etc/vnc/xstartup ] && exec /etc/vnc/xstartup
[ -r $HOME/.Xresources ] && xrdb $HOME/.Xresources
xsetroot -solid grey
vncconfig -iconic &
x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" &
x-window-manager &

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Balasubramaniam Natarajan
www.etutorshop.com/moodle/
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Re: [Ilugc] unable to access through proxy

[Mehul Ved]

On Jul 4, 2012 12:18 PM,  wrote:
> sorry to say that Still it persists, the error message on the browseer as
usual of the following
>
> ---
> Network Error (dns_unresolved_hostname)
>
> Your requested host "eprints.ccmb.res.in" could not be resolved by DNS.
>
> For assistance, contact your network support team.
> --

Add eprints.ccmb.res.in under the exceptions list.
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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[kenneth gonsalves]

On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 21:47 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> If a person wishes to answer a question, he chooses the easiest way or
> his own way to reply.
> When we ask him to change the way he replies, he gets the same
> thoughts on mind as
> 
> "I get little free time, I wish to make it useful for the community.
> I check email and reply, if I know the answers for any queries.
> If there are restrictions a.k.a guidelines on how I have to reply to a
> email,
> I will skip replying, instead of formatting the email for better
> readability.

to be frank, we do not need such people on this list. This attitude is
typical of the casual, sloppy, unprofessional attitude towards work that
many people have. If you do something, take pride in doing it to the
best of your ability in an orderly and correct manner, respecting the
rules and conventions followed in the field in which you are operating.
If you cannot, do everyone a favour by going and doing something else.
Formulating a reply on a mailing list - or contributing code to a
project, or filing a bug report or anything else worth doing is worth
doing well. An example:

one fine day I had the bright idea of contributing a small feature to
the django project. I studied all the guidelines I could find, looked at
the code in similar modules, wrote up the patch, tried it out and then
posted a ticket and sat back waiting for acceptance and praise to flow
in. Some one accepted the ticket and said 'where are your tests?'. I
said 'doctests are there'. He said 'we need unit tests'. I went back,
wrote unit tests, ran them and resubmitted. Then he said - 'tests are
failing for python 2.5'. Went back, set up a virtualenv, installed 2.5
and found the problem was upstream. The guy was good enough to check the
upstream problem, and let me know when it was fixed. Tests passed - I
resubmitted. Then he asks - 'you have not added docs for the new
feature'. Went back and added docs. Resubmitted. Then he wants all the
changes in one patch. Figured out how to do that and finally, after 6
months, my 10 lines of code was accepted.

At last inpycon, I was relating my experience to a friend who is a top
class programmer and an expert in django. He said he had the same
experience and was like 'who do these guys think they are? They should
be grateful for any contribution - not nitpick on the formatting'. He
refuses to contribute. That to me sounds like the attitude of top
posters in this list. 
> 
> I am not getting this regulations, in office

office mail is totally different - most offices have the policy of
compulsory top posting and full quoting of the mail in order to keep
context.
>  and in most of the other lists.

which lists are these?
> If there are regular inspection on how I am replying, I will be just a
> reader than contributor" 

so be it - as far as I am concerned the only greater pleasure than
reading well crafted, precisely formatted replies to queries on mailing
lists is managing to write such replies. 
-- 
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Kenneth Gonsalves

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Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting

[Vignesh Nandha Kumar]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Arun Khan  wrote:

>
> Besides guidelines in top/bottom posting, I would like to highlight the
> need for
>
> 1.  "quoting" only the relevant portions of the message when replying.
>  It is very annoying to see +1 or a me too (at least to me) at the end
> of a long quoted message.   Here the chap has followed the guideline
> of bottom posting but has unnecessarily quoted the entire posting
> which is anyway available in the list archives and sorted by
> thread/subject.
>

There is already "Use interleaved, trimmed posting" in the guidelines. I
think "trimmed" covers your point. May be it's too subtle.

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