[Ilugc] Blender and Inkscape Tutorials

[Praveen S]

Hi lugies,

I found some useful tutorials for Blender and Inkscape.
These tutorials will be useful for those who want to learn Blender and Inkscape.

For Blender :

Main Site : http://gryllus.net/Blender/3D.html
Download link  : http://sagefans.net/


For Inkscape :

Main Site : http://screencasters.heathenx.org/
Download link  : http://screencasters-repo.heathenx.org/


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[Ilugc] Grub Installation fails in lesser versions - BMR restore [OT]

[selvaraj v s]

Hi all,

This topic is purely on a problem in installing grub in my LINUX BMR
process... A major problem too..

I am designing Linux BMR where i do the following..

   - Backup the " / " as a whole .. with partition details ..etc
   - And using the Knoppix Live CD i first create the partitions with
   respect to backed up data , and mount the partitions..
   - Then i copy all the files to the hard disk.. and apply symbolic links.
   - Finally i install grub to the hard disk.

By doing the above process , i am able to backup and restore the CentOS
machine of Version more than 6.0. But the problem comes in lesser versions
in the final stage *(i.e) in the time of installing grub.
*

> I use this command " chroot /mnt grub-install /dev/sda1 " to install grub
> which worked fine for versions more than 6.0 . But the same is throwing 
> *stage1
> file not read correctly while installing in 5.5 version*.* *But while i
> use grub command line and give "root (hd0,0) and setup (hd0)" then it is
> getting installed.. and i got the system booted..
>
I cant follow this grub command line while i go for coding. I am in need of
some one's help now.. I need to clarified on the following..


   1. Why grub-install command giving stage1 error in versions less than 6.0
   2. Is grub scriptable ??
   3. How can i solve this problem , is there any other way to install grub
   through UNIX C++ code..??

Kindly revert me , if u need some further clarifications...


Thanks,

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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

[sivakumar bharadhwaj]

Dear Mr. Kenneth.

forgive me (and bear with me too) I always think that your replies are very
egostic (forget the word - It just came to my mind. take the meaning only).

but this one explanation gives you as a person a totally different
perspective.

superb guideline, and did not wasted even one word.  every startup (let
alone a FOSS developer) should go through this with respect to his work.

thanks sir.

with warm regards
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[Ilugc] call for articles- kaniyam

[Shrinivasan T]

Friends.

Thanks for your continious efforts on kaniyam.

Please contribute to the next month kaniyam.

send your articles to edi...@kaniyam.com

Can  anyone find for some great content to translate and share here?

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Re: [Ilugc] update apt by local

[prasannatsmkumar]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Balasubramaniam Natarajan
 wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:48 PM, snegan  wrote:
>
>> hi lugs
>>
>>
>> aim using Ubuntu lts 12.04 how to update apt by local i have coped all repo
>> in drive can any one post command to execute
>>
>> the local repo location /media/soft
>> .
>>
>>
> Move all the package which you have to the location
> /var/cache/apt/archives
>
> /var/cache/apt/archives$ ls
> firefox_14.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.10.04.1_amd64.deb
> libqt4-sql-mysql_4%3a4.6.2-0ubuntu5.4_amd64.deb
> openoffice.org-calc_1%3a3.2.0-7ubuntu4.3_amd64.deb
> firefox-branding_14.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.10.04.1_amd64.deb
> libqt4-svg_4%3a4.6.2-0ubuntu5.4_amd64.deb
>
> Try to run
>
> apt-get upgrade
>
> That should work.
>
>
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Other than copying deb files you are supposed to copy the repository
info - without this apt will not know about the latest version of
packages and may try to download the version available in it's
repository. I have created an application that does this job.

You can visit https://launchpad.net/share-ubuntu-updates to get more
info. The code provides the necessary info. It's a simple Qt
application that does the job for you.

Hope this helps,
PrasannaKumar Muralidharan
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[Ilugc] What is wrong?

[Girish Venkatachalam]

How to find out what is wrong with you?

If you are a techie the reason will most likely be the code you are
 writing.

It has bugs.

How to identify the issue?

One possibility is that of using printf. Logic is usually the issue.

Then you use the gdb tool along with some breakpoints and tracing.

You can also use profiling tools and try to do some guesswork about
 what could go wrong.

Alright what if it is a networking issue? Packets getting dropped, slowed
 down, TCP connection not going through?

Use netcat, tcpdump, wireshark and debug.

What about system being too slow, thrashing, very sluggish response?

Use top, kill the offending process.

You should realize certain things take time, p7zip, copying to USB
stick and so on.

You should not end up killing them. ;)

In your programming if you put a busy wait where you can easily do a sleep that
 is poor programming.

But most of the situations you face are due to other issues.

Choice of the Linux distro also matters hell of a lot. You can start
with a commercial thing
 but slowly learn to use Debian.

Then also play with FreeBSD. You may not like it but it will be better
than Debian or other Linux.

There are also certain hardware bugs like gcc crashing which is caused
by defective RAM.

If your VM reports bugs it is likely the RAM.

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Re: [Ilugc] update apt by local

[Balasubramaniam Natarajan]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:48 PM, snegan  wrote:

> hi lugs
>
>
> aim using Ubuntu lts 12.04 how to update apt by local i have coped all repo
> in drive can any one post command to execute
>
> the local repo location /media/soft
> .
>
>
Move all the package which you have to the location
/var/cache/apt/archives

/var/cache/apt/archives$ ls
firefox_14.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.10.04.1_amd64.deb
libqt4-sql-mysql_4%3a4.6.2-0ubuntu5.4_amd64.deb
openoffice.org-calc_1%3a3.2.0-7ubuntu4.3_amd64.deb
firefox-branding_14.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.10.04.1_amd64.deb
libqt4-svg_4%3a4.6.2-0ubuntu5.4_amd64.deb

Try to run

apt-get upgrade

That should work.


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Re: [Ilugc] update apt by local

[Krishna]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:18 PM, snegan  wrote:

> hi lugs
>
>
> aim using Ubuntu lts 12.04 how to update apt by local i have coped all repo
> in drive can any one post command to execute
>
> the local repo location /media/soft
>

http://linuxconfig.org/add-iso-image-to-apt-sourceslist

ignore the ISO mount part.

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[Ilugc] update apt by local

[snegan]

hi lugs


aim using Ubuntu lts 12.04 how to update apt by local i have coped all repo
in drive can any one post command to execute

the local repo location /media/soft
.

Anwar
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[Ilugc] Fwd: [chennaipy 1404] July Monthly Meet

[Shrinivasan T]

-- Forwarded message --
From: "Vijay Kumar" 
Date: Jul 25, 2012 6:40 PM
Subject: [chennaipy 1404] July Monthly Meet
To: 

= July Monthly Meet

== Date & Time

28 July
3:00pm to 5:00pm

== Venue

Zilogic Systems,
Fourth Main Road,
Kamaraj Nagar,
Thiruvanmiyur,
Chennai

Location map: http://www.zilogic.com/contact.html

== Agenda

  1. Lightning Talk - 30 min

 * File Objects - Bala
 * If you would like to give a lightning talk, just come prepared,
   we will be able to accommodate you.

  2. Scons by Vijay Kumar - 45 min

 Scons is a software construction tool, an improved substitute for
 make and autoconf. Scons is written in Python and its
 configuration files are Python scripts. This talk covers the
 following.

 * Make shortcomings
 * Scons scripts for simple projects
 * Custom builders
 * Environment Variables
 * Phony Targets
 * Hierarchical project directories
 * Configuration
 * Autoconf style probing

If you are new to Python, the tutorial "Learn Python in 10 Minutes"
http://www.korokithakis.net/tutorials/python/ will give you a quick
overview of what Python is all about.

If you are coming to the meet, please sign-up for the event at
http://www.groupomatic.com/ko9noioo

Regards,
Vijay


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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

[Girish Venkatachalam]

Very nice points KG

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:56 PM, kenneth gonsalves
 wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 13:07 +0530, Arun Venkataswamy wrote:
>> Has anybody in this list or people you know - have made money by
>> creating
>> open source products?
>
> I have. Not much money, but money. My model is like this:
>
> I offer to build applications for the client, charge what I feel is a
> reasonable sum and convince them that if the software is open source
> from the start it is easier to get people to contribute to it, the code
> is available if I drop dead and it is easy for them to upgrade and debug
> errors. My costs are cut because whenever I am stuck I can always find
> people who are willing to write some code for free (although sometimes I
> pay) because it is open source. I also insist on my clients learning the
> basics of issue management and refuse to do anything unless a proper
> ticket is filed. I do not have to lie to the client about progress and
> never give progress reports. I tell them to look at the repo to see if I
> am doing work or not. The model often fails because the client cannot
> get used to the way I do things. When it succeeds, it works great. The
> client as a co-developer. Note that all my work is web apps (not
> websites).
>
> Some things I have learned:
>
> 1. The person I interact with on the client side *must* be the person
> who takes the decisions in the client concern. It does not work if I
> have to interact with an underling.
>
> 2. The development must be module by module and should go into
> production immediately - if the guy wants the whole thing ready before
> going into production, I decline to do it.
>
> 3. One has to be extremely flexible with regard to design changes and
> new feature requests. The client may think he knows what he wants, but
> once in production, he may realise he needs something else. One must be
> prepared to rip the guts out of the app and rewrite - without losing
> data.
>
> 4. I push as much of the work as possible on to the client - he has to
> enter the data (I may make a script to load the data from a spreadsheet,
> but he has to actually get everything ready and run the script). I show
> him how to back up, but he has to do it. Likewise simple upgrades like
> doing hg pull, hg update and restarting the server is his job. Like wise
> for database migration, I give the script - he has to run it.
>
> 5. Design - he has to hire someone for that. In one case the guy learned
> css and html and did it himself. (it looked horrible, but he was happy).
> There are two reasons why I do this - 1. I am not capable of drawing a
> straight line even with the aid of a computer and 2. design is the one
> field in which the open source methodology does not work. No committee
> or group of people can do good design - one guy has to do it. If he
> needs help, the helpers have to do what they are told - no vote.
>
> 6. Last and most important - make proper agreements and make sure the
> schedule of payment is met. No pay, no work. The flip side is that when
> they see I am flexible with regard to doing mid course changes and
> adding new features they do not quibble about paying more.
>
> One of my big successes was building an app for a Finnish NGO working in
> Mumbai. We started with one site and soon several sites in 7 countries
> in the region. The lady in charge of Asia then took a year or two off to
> take a course on how to get things done by IT people. She was shifted to
> Africa and we have now covered 4 countries there. The course she took
> did not help her at all as it was to do with how to extract work from M$
> Weenies. But she has learned issue management - you may look at the
> discussions in the open and closed issues in this project here:
>
> https://bitbucket.org/lawgon/kenyakids/
>
> now her bug/feature reporting is as good as most professionals.
>
> We are soon going worldwide, and quite a few other NGOs are lining up -
> my client is doing the marketing for me (and not asking for commission).
>
> I have had one spectacular flop also - some members of our LUG will
> remember as they were involved. The flop was due to the fact that I
> ignored most of the principles mentioned above - especially point No 1.
>
> One last comment - do not write code unless 1. some one pays you or 2.
> you need it for something you want to achieve. You can think of some
> fantastic idea that you think will be the next facebook or will fulfill
> a need that people will pay for - ok, if you must, do it, but do not
> expect to make money from it. As some one said, if people will not pay
> for something, they certainly will take it if it is free.
>
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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

[kenneth gonsalves]

On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 16:56 +0530, kenneth gonsalves wrote:
> One last comment - do not write code unless 1. some one pays you or 2.
> you need it for something you want to achieve. You can think of some
> fantastic idea that you think will be the next facebook or will
> fulfill
> a need that people will pay for - ok, if you must, do it, but do not
> expect to make money from it. As some one said, if people will not pay
> for something, they certainly will take it if it is free.
> 
> 

oops - that should read 'they certainly will not take it if it is free'
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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

[kenneth gonsalves]

On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 13:07 +0530, Arun Venkataswamy wrote:
> Has anybody in this list or people you know - have made money by
> creating
> open source products? 

I have. Not much money, but money. My model is like this:

I offer to build applications for the client, charge what I feel is a
reasonable sum and convince them that if the software is open source
from the start it is easier to get people to contribute to it, the code
is available if I drop dead and it is easy for them to upgrade and debug
errors. My costs are cut because whenever I am stuck I can always find
people who are willing to write some code for free (although sometimes I
pay) because it is open source. I also insist on my clients learning the
basics of issue management and refuse to do anything unless a proper
ticket is filed. I do not have to lie to the client about progress and
never give progress reports. I tell them to look at the repo to see if I
am doing work or not. The model often fails because the client cannot
get used to the way I do things. When it succeeds, it works great. The
client as a co-developer. Note that all my work is web apps (not
websites).

Some things I have learned:

1. The person I interact with on the client side *must* be the person
who takes the decisions in the client concern. It does not work if I
have to interact with an underling.

2. The development must be module by module and should go into
production immediately - if the guy wants the whole thing ready before
going into production, I decline to do it.

3. One has to be extremely flexible with regard to design changes and
new feature requests. The client may think he knows what he wants, but
once in production, he may realise he needs something else. One must be
prepared to rip the guts out of the app and rewrite - without losing
data.

4. I push as much of the work as possible on to the client - he has to
enter the data (I may make a script to load the data from a spreadsheet,
but he has to actually get everything ready and run the script). I show
him how to back up, but he has to do it. Likewise simple upgrades like
doing hg pull, hg update and restarting the server is his job. Like wise
for database migration, I give the script - he has to run it.

5. Design - he has to hire someone for that. In one case the guy learned
css and html and did it himself. (it looked horrible, but he was happy).
There are two reasons why I do this - 1. I am not capable of drawing a
straight line even with the aid of a computer and 2. design is the one
field in which the open source methodology does not work. No committee
or group of people can do good design - one guy has to do it. If he
needs help, the helpers have to do what they are told - no vote.

6. Last and most important - make proper agreements and make sure the
schedule of payment is met. No pay, no work. The flip side is that when
they see I am flexible with regard to doing mid course changes and
adding new features they do not quibble about paying more.

One of my big successes was building an app for a Finnish NGO working in
Mumbai. We started with one site and soon several sites in 7 countries
in the region. The lady in charge of Asia then took a year or two off to
take a course on how to get things done by IT people. She was shifted to
Africa and we have now covered 4 countries there. The course she took
did not help her at all as it was to do with how to extract work from M$
Weenies. But she has learned issue management - you may look at the
discussions in the open and closed issues in this project here:

https://bitbucket.org/lawgon/kenyakids/

now her bug/feature reporting is as good as most professionals.

We are soon going worldwide, and quite a few other NGOs are lining up -
my client is doing the marketing for me (and not asking for commission).

I have had one spectacular flop also - some members of our LUG will
remember as they were involved. The flop was due to the fact that I
ignored most of the principles mentioned above - especially point No 1. 

One last comment - do not write code unless 1. some one pays you or 2.
you need it for something you want to achieve. You can think of some
fantastic idea that you think will be the next facebook or will fulfill
a need that people will pay for - ok, if you must, do it, but do not
expect to make money from it. As some one said, if people will not pay
for something, they certainly will take it if it is free.

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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

[satyaakam goswami]

> Two examples that come to mind straight away:
>
> HasGeek: http://jace.zaiki.in/2012/06/26/technology-outsource-vs-open-source
> Fusion Charts:
> http://www.fusioncharts.com/goodies/fusioncharts-free/product-licensing/
>
> Different personalities, and different motivations for opening up the
> source, but both are worth a look.

i could think of two , i am sure there are more than few like these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_Solutions
http://www.gluster.org/

-Satya
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[Ilugc] Reg NIS server issue

[Srinivasan k]

Hi team,

I need your advise on NIS environment.In our office 1 NIS server and 2 NIS
Slave server and 10 NIS client is running.In that scnerio one day one NIS
slave server is down.So that we are not able to connect Some of the NIS
client through SSH because in that yp.conf file have put the entry as NIS
failed slave server first entry and next one is NIS master server.So as per
the Master and Slave concept if one server is down means automatically
switch over to next server but its not happening particularly in one Backup
server of the NIS client.So that all the backup jobs failed on particular
client.But some other server worked on the same day in that server also
same type of entry only existing like failed server is first entry and NIS
master server is 2nd entry.So i need your advise on this is anything we
have to configure on the backp server.Please share your inputs on this.

Regards
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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

[satyaakam goswami]

> Nice analogy.
> But... The spades are free as in free beer!
> How many people even look at the names of the authors of `that` brilliant
> little library under LGPL which saved you a few days of coding? :)

Does not matter know from years of working like this in the end the
skill of making will  get paid than the spade itself, since they
invariably want something which they think is unique idea or product
and hence they pay for making it.

as far as sharing the bounty is concerned you can share from what you
have or  you do not have any or one becomes greedy over time , so this
behavior is once social currency which also comes into play.

-Satya
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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

[Sriram Karra]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Arun Venkataswamy wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anybody in this list or people you know - have made money by creating
> open source products? I am not talking about people who earn money by
> providing services around someone else's effort of creating the primary,
> core product (say the LAMP stack).  I am talking about people who are
> creative and made stuff from scratch.


Two examples that come to mind straight away:

HasGeek: http://jace.zaiki.in/2012/06/26/technology-outsource-vs-open-source
Fusion Charts:
http://www.fusioncharts.com/goodies/fusioncharts-free/product-licensing/

Different personalities, and different motivations for opening up the
source, but both are worth a look.

-Karra
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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

[satyaakam goswami]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Arun Venkataswamy  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
> sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> A significant part of the 'open source' is the concept of "open a
>> restaurant but give away the menu". In effect, the availability of the
>> source code of the product enables two distinct streams of revenue -
>> feature driven and support/services driven. And, in either case you
>> are helping to increase the share of the product.
>>
>
> Increase share of the product meaning?

more user base , ultimately there is hope that there will be streams
of revenues from support and customization ( like adding features)

> I am talking from a business perspective. It is one thing to
> feel exhilarated when hundreds of thousands of people use your app. But
> does this realize into making money?

yes that is where business sense kicks in how to get a dollar out of
customer or it could be the other way round  too when the product is
so good he willingly starts paying what you demand , this risk and
reward scenarios is what any business is all about , and an
entrepreneurs you live with it .

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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

[Arun Venkataswamy]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:20 PM, satyaakam goswami wrote:

> i give this simple analogy to students as what they want to be , there
> are gold rush people ( the guys with one idea and want to make it big
> through product or service )  and people who will be making spades (
> the guys who actually build things )  for the gold rush , may be
> mostly you have seen and interacted with people who are into  making
> spades.
>
>
Nice analogy.
But... The spades are free as in free beer!
How many people even look at the names of the authors of `that` brilliant
little library under LGPL which saved you a few days of coding? :)


> anyway what is that big idea you have on your mind?
>

My post was more to do with a feeling of being a leech :)

Regards,
Arun
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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

[Arun Venkataswamy]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay <
sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> A significant part of the 'open source' is the concept of "open a
> restaurant but give away the menu". In effect, the availability of the
> source code of the product enables two distinct streams of revenue -
> feature driven and support/services driven. And, in either case you
> are helping to increase the share of the product.
>

Increase share of the product meaning?
I am talking from a business perspective. It is one thing to
feel exhilarated when hundreds of thousands of people use your app. But
does this realize into making money?

Regards,
Arun
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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

[satyaakam goswami]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Arun Venkataswamy  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has anybody in this list or people you know - have made money by creating
> open source products? I am not talking about people who earn money by
> providing services around someone else's effort of creating the primary,
> core product (say the LAMP stack).  I am talking about people who are
> creative and made stuff from scratch. Off late I have started to have these
> conflicting thoughts in my mind whether this entire open source movement is
> made up of a small bunch of charitable people (the creators) and a huge
> bunch of leeches who monetize the charity.

this is a very common thought and question is most of the people in this field.

> I personally feel like a leach and have used brilliant open source apps
> free of cost to my benefit. I never had the time to participate seriously
> in giving back content to the open source pool (apart from a few
> donations).

do not procrastinate this is also good way of contributing back .

>This is not an excuse, as I would have found time if I believed
> that it was my responsibility. Anybody/Organization associated with this
> group have a give-back policy?

Giving is ones personal conscious thing nobody can force or  demand it :-)

> This is not a troll or to start a flame war. Just want to know about how
> you guys think.

i give this simple analogy to students as what they want to be , there
are gold rush people ( the guys with one idea and want to make it big
through product or service )  and people who will be making spades (
the guys who actually build things )  for the gold rush , may be
mostly you have seen and interacted with people who are into  making
spades.

anyway what is that big idea you have on your mind?

-Satya
fossevents.in
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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Arun Venkataswamy  wrote:

> Has anybody in this list or people you know - have made money by creating
> open source products? I am not talking about people who earn money by
> providing services around someone else's effort of creating the primary,
> core product (say the LAMP stack).

A significant part of the 'open source' is the concept of "open a
restaurant but give away the menu". In effect, the availability of the
source code of the product enables two distinct streams of revenue -
feature driven and support/services driven. And, in either case you
are helping to increase the share of the product.


-- 
sankarshan mukhopadhyay

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[Ilugc] Open source and business

[Arun Venkataswamy]

Hi,

Has anybody in this list or people you know - have made money by creating
open source products? I am not talking about people who earn money by
providing services around someone else's effort of creating the primary,
core product (say the LAMP stack).  I am talking about people who are
creative and made stuff from scratch. Off late I have started to have these
conflicting thoughts in my mind whether this entire open source movement is
made up of a small bunch of charitable people (the creators) and a huge
bunch of leeches who monetize the charity.

I personally feel like a leach and have used brilliant open source apps
free of cost to my benefit. I never had the time to participate seriously
in giving back content to the open source pool (apart from a few
donations). This is not an excuse, as I would have found time if I believed
that it was my responsibility. Anybody/Organization associated with this
group have a give-back policy?

This is not a troll or to start a flame war. Just want to know about how
you guys think.

Regards,
Arun
http://wondroussky.blogspot.in/

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