Re: [Ilugc] My First Session for Engineering students

2008-07-21 Thread santosh

senthilraja P wrote:

Some suggestions:

1. What i have done is very basic thing, that need not require any expertise
or great skills.  However, to actually get a momentum, we need to establish
knowledge pockets, on advanced technicalities like Building a Linux Distro
from source, knowledge on compiling methods, linux programming etc.

2. We can evolve a list of basic skills needed for the students, and
volunteer to teach them at some selected colleges.  Once a team is formed,
then those students should volunteer to teach their juniors and other
college students.  This will create innumerable opportunities and would
unleash the creativity of young minds.  Imagine, if atleast few in each
college knows how to build a linux distro, we would have atleast a dozen
customized distro in india.

--

I am sorry if i am too impractical.  But i just shared some of my vision
with you all.

Regards,
Senthil
  

This is not impractical, it just needs coordinated effort from us. We can 
organise a set of teams, each of which handles a different domain like kernel 
development, web development, packaging etc.  But how do we do this and how to 
go and let people know about this needs some more discussion.

That was a good work Senthil.

cheers
Santosh

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Re: [Ilugc] Re: CFS scheduler algorithm- improvement project

2008-10-02 Thread Santosh

sugantha make or break days wrote:

Thanks everyone for all your replies
On 10/2/08, Antano Solar John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am willing to give any help you may
need for testing/implementing your algorithm .
Antano Solar John
Consultant & Trainer (Web 2.0,Networks,VOIP)

Thanks Antano...I hope to find my way most of the time...Will approach
in case of any specific snag. Will post specific problems with tried
code in future...Regards



Kernelnewbies.org and mailing list can also be of help.


Santosh

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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: Clarification on Distros

2008-10-17 Thread Santosh

Sahasranaman MS wrote:

Girish Venkatachalam wrote:


The main reason people do not understand the superiority of UNIX over
linux is that they do not know how to read kernel C code...



really? I don't think that can be a real reason for people not using UNIX


I read kernel code, but not yet an expert. For me the real difference 
lies in the architecture which is very different. Linux supports more 
features than Unix. Linux has been the start for many advanced features 
which others where reluctant to include in their kernel. For more 
in-depth kernel related questions you should seek kernel-newbies mailing 
list.



Thanks
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Re: [Ilugc] A simple script to clean up ( remove ) a kernel

2008-10-20 Thread Santosh

Satish Eerpini wrote:

Guys let me clarify that i wrote this only for kernels which are
custom compiled ,... i do agree that package management does all this
very neatly and that is the best way to go , . but i am talking
about compiling vanilla kernels from source and later on clearing them
,  and to my knowledge the script deletes only those files which
are added when one compiles a kernel and installs ,..
well even my suggestion would be that use make rpm or something and
then install the rpm .
but my question was different ,... it is not whether it will do
something like yum and rpm does ( impossible ) , ... will this script
be handy ?


Thanks
Satish



For developers this is a good option. I used to build two or three 
kernel images per day while experimenting with the kernel, in such cases 
a script clean would be useful. It is not possible to create packages 
every time you want to build and test a new image.



Santosh
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Re: [Ilugc] How to compile module

2008-12-11 Thread Santosh

Ashish Verma wrote:

Hi,

I have a pcnet32.c file. I want to make a module out of it. What should I
do. The below link requires me to make a make file. I don't know how to do
that. Please advise.

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/build-linux-kernel-module-against-installed-kernel-source-tree.html

Regards,
Ashish
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Hi Ashish,
Do you have a custom compiled kernel? If so then, it is not necessary to 
download headers. If not, you have to download the headers and write a 
makefile. The makefile is very simple.


obj-m += 

all:
make -C /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build M=$(PWD) modules

clean:
make -C /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build M=$(PWD) clean


Then
make modulename

There is no specific directory to place your source, just compeile it 
and later you can insert.


Thanks,
Santosh
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Re: [Ilugc] How to compile module

2008-12-11 Thread Santosh

Ashish Verma wrote:

Hi,

I dont know why this is not working for me. I was able to compile the hello
world module without errors.

I got the below error:

make -C "/lib/modules/2.6.25.14/build" M=/root modules
make[1]: Entering directory '/usr/src/linux-2.6.25.14'
scripts/Makefile.build:217: target '/root/pcnet32.c' doesn't match the
target pattern
Building modules, stage 2.
MODPOST 0 modules
make[1]: leaving directory  '/usr/src/linux-2.6.25.14'
I got the pcnet32.c file from
/usr/src/linux-2.6.25.14/drivers/net/pcnet32.c. 2.6.25.14 is a compiled
kernel.

Why is it that pcnet32.c did not get compiled when the kernel was compiled?
or when the modules were compiled?

Regards,
Ashish



I din't have the look at the latest menuconfig of the kernel. But, 
generally the module gets compiledf only when you select the appropriate 
option. All the modules won't be compiled by default.


Another problem I can assume is that, pcnet32 must have been written 
only to be built internally into the kernel and not as a module.


Any other thoughts?
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Re: [Ilugc] How to compile module

2008-12-11 Thread Santosh

Ashish Verma wrote:

Hi,

I dont know why this is not working for me. I was able to compile the hello
world module without errors.

I got the below error:

make -C "/lib/modules/2.6.25.14/build" M=/root modules
make[1]: Entering directory '/usr/src/linux-2.6.25.14'
scripts/Makefile.build:217: target '/root/pcnet32.c' doesn't match the
target pattern
Building modules, stage 2.
MODPOST 0 modules
make[1]: leaving directory  '/usr/src/linux-2.6.25.14'
I got the pcnet32.c file from
/usr/src/linux-2.6.25.14/drivers/net/pcnet32.c. 2.6.25.14 is a compiled
kernel.

Why is it that pcnet32.c did not get compiled when the kernel was compiled?
or when the modules were compiled?

Regards,
Ashish



I had a wrong idea, the actual error is with the makefile. Somewhere 
regexps are used, which could not match the specified pattern. Thats the 
problem.


Thanks
Santosh
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[Ilugc] IRC chat room?

2008-12-13 Thread Santosh

Do we have IRC for ilugc?

Santosh
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Re: [Ilugc] IRC chat room?

2008-12-13 Thread Santosh

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

On Saturday 13 Dec 2008 3:41:04 pm Santosh wrote:

Do we have IRC for ilugc?


no



Will it be useful if we create one on freenode or such?
It will be very useful to the newbies who may have several doubts and 
issues regarding using Linux, but how far is it useful for the rest of 
us, I am not able to guess.


Just struck me lately.

Mail is another option, but more means of communication, more collaboration!

Thanks
Santosh
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Re: [Ilugc] date & time stamp of history of previous commands executed

2009-01-07 Thread Santosh

S.Mahalingam wrote:

Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote:

Hello,

On Wednesday 07 Jan 2009, S.Mahalingam wrote:
 

Is there a way to know the date & time of execution of previous
commands from bash_history on RHEL 5.2? Any tips & tricks in this
regard shall highly be appreciated and regarded.



Have look at "script". It makes a complete record of a command-line
session including time-stamps.

Kapil.
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Could you please elaborate on the referred "*script*" little more?

s.mahalingam



script is a command.
so man script will tell you more.
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Re: [Ilugc] Fedora 9booting error

2009-01-22 Thread Santosh

 - Kernel Begin 


 WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
ACPI: Error attaching device ...:  16 Time(s)

 -- Kernel End -
i google it but i dont know how to fix it just share your thoughts

it s taken from mail file


You can do a dmesg and check if something relevant is there. From the 
dmesg output we can find what causes the problem. I think this is an 
error related to drivers not able to mount a device or something like 
that. Need more details to be sure.


Thanks
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Re: [Ilugc] என் ஆர் சி பா ஸ் - மின்பதிப்பாக் கப் பட்டறை

2009-03-03 Thread Santosh

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

On Wednesday 04 March 2009 10:25:02 Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:

I never thought you intended to mean a geek with word 'Komban'. IMO
'Komban' is rude and geek is not. Its upto tam-team for finding a right
word for geek.


menporul vallavan?

Sounds good.. if it is a single word.. it may be fantastic..
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Re: [Ilugc] Communicating in lists

2009-03-05 Thread Santosh

Parthan SR wrote:
And also please don't write a mail with 1945 words. Nobody is going to 
read it through ;-)




People who really care do. If you don't read it, you don't have to say it out 
here. He has taken the initiative to do some ground work on what is what and how 
 can these be solved, you don't have to appreciate, but can keep from 
dishonouring/disrespecting/(or whatever you call it) these initiatives.



Santosh
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Re: [Ilugc] Recommend a good "Application Builder"

2009-03-19 Thread Santosh

Antony wrote:
All, 

We are looking for a good application builder. A tool that a non-technical user can use to build small modules (Add, Edit, View, delete and generate reports). 

Any recommendations or pointers would be helpful.  



What kind of application you care about? A GUI based app like glade?


Santosh

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Re: [Ilugc] final year project

2009-07-23 Thread Santosh
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 21:19 +0530, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> --- On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Janet D wrote:
> | I have decided to design a *simple text editor
> \--
> 
> Please don't reinvent the wheel.
> 
> ---
Yes reinventing is fun, but no use unless the former is really bad.
And text editor for a final year project is not a good idea, you can
make it as word processor in Tamil, but already exists.

Do a little more research and pick up something more challenging to the
*final* year standards (I had seen people doing AI or cloud computing).

Santosh

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Re: [Ilugc] final year project

2009-07-23 Thread Santosh
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 22:05 +0530, Vamsee Kanakala wrote:
> Santosh wrote:
> > Do a little more research and pick up something more challenging to the
> > *final* year standards (I had seen people doing AI or cloud computing).
> 
> I'm not so sure. She'll probably learn more useful stuff re-inventing 
> the wheel rather than doing some fancypants topics that she'll probably 
> never deal with in her career. If she's interested in writing a 
> localized text editor, perhaps we should point her to a more challenging 
> topic *that includes her interest*. Perhaps a plugin for gedit that adds 
> some functionality that's missing, as somebody suggested.
> 
I am not asking them to research, but they can contribute to some better
projects (existing or conceivable). Plugins are small time not really
worthy of becoming projects. Just my thoughts.

Santosh

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Re: [Ilugc] final year project

2009-07-24 Thread Santosh
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:31 +0530, Vamsee Kanakala wrote:
> Santosh wrote:
> > Plugins are small time not really
> > worthy of becoming projects. Just my thoughts.
> >   
> 
> I have to disagree again. I've seen my share of fresher CVs, and if 
> there's anything remotely related to something "wrote an xyz plugin for 
> gedit", trust me, it would get my attention. Unfortunately most of them 
> are so boring (and sometimes irrelevant) that my eyes glaze over.
> 
> And I don't think plugins are 'unworthy' of becoming projects - there's 
> plenty of cool stuff you could add to gedit. Perhaps code-folding. 
> Snippets (a la Textmate). Adding some sort of compile/console plugin 
> targeting a new language. From what I heard, implementing tab completion 
> can be pretty challenging. Very few editors do it right.
> 
> Either way, my emphasis was not particularly on how challenging the 
> subject itself is, but rather getting the experience of contributing to 
> an open source project. That is more in line with what a fresh engineer 
> is likely to do (or prove more valuable) once he/she gets out of college.
> 

This time got to agree. Getting involved is important here. They will
gain confidence once started to work.

Santosh

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Volunteering - ways and means

2008-06-20 Thread Santosh Sivaraj
Open source is not just about learning new softwares and tools, its a
passion running through our blood. Before we ask people to use FOSS,
we should tell them why they should move to FOSS.
The first thing we should do is to decide from where and which part of
the community we should attack. There are so many people who use FOSS
but don't know about the local communities that we got. There should
some way of reaching them and bringing them together. This can be a
topic of interst in the next ILUGC meet.

Regards
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] self taught programmers vs programmers with degrees

2008-06-27 Thread Santosh Sivaraj
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Arun Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 27 Jun 2008, benjamin wrote:
>> If you are an employer, whom would you hire?
>> http://greatjustice.info/university-versus-self-taught/
>>
>> Who Needs a Computer Science Degree When There's Wikipedia?
>> http://www.geeknews.net/2008/06/21/who-needs-a-computer-science-degre
>>e-when-theres-wikipedia
>>
>
> Application of Mind (AoM) is of prime importance in any job.  Degree(s)
> and knowledge without AoM is worthless.  I had no choice but to let go
> 4 such individuals in the last 18 months.
>
> -- Arun Khan
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I have been programming for the past 9 years and learning languages,
scripting etc all the time. I took a CS degree because I am interested
in computers but i didn't learn much in college as i have learned
before and after college. Colleges don't teach people how to do real
time work. Self learned programmers are more passionate in their jobs,
I am not talking out people who work and learned for just a job, but
about people who are really passionate about programming and
computers.

There is more of an interest and passion there than self learned and
college taught. Hiring managers should look for people who have the
interest and the passion to work rather than degree and just
theoretical knowledge.
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Re: [Ilugc] need description

2011-01-27 Thread Santosh Sivaraj
* venkat raman  [2011-01-28 03:00:49 +0530]:

> hi pals,
>  i am new to linux.could any one tell me about the following line
> what exactly it will do? it is mentioned in my crontab file.
> 
> 03 00 * * 1 /home/root/logrotate.sh
> /u01/app/oraqa02/10g/network/admin/qa02.log 5 t >/dev/null  2>&1
> 01 00 * * 1 /home/root/logrotate.sh
> /u01/app/oraqa02/10g/admin/QA02_qebsdbd01/bdump/alert_QA02.log 10 t
> >/dev/null  2>&1
logrotate is used to rotate a log file, so it does not become huge. Logrotate
keeps the old file renamed, so we always the latest for immediate access. For
ease of administration. check the man page of logrotate, it is more
descriptive.

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Re: [Ilugc] Graphics not supported

2011-03-09 Thread Santosh Sivaraj
* Thoufi Tiger  [2011-03-09 09:59:35 -0800]:

> Hi!!
>   My friend recently installed Fedora..His screen size is 19'inch LED screen..
> 
> So in windows he use additional graphics for screen resolution to occupy 
> complete screen...
> 
> But can't able to find the full resolution in fedora..He uses nvidia 512 mb 
> graphics card..
> 
> And didnt support video drivers for displaying in full resolution..
> 
> Suggest me any s/w to get installed...r any configuration necessary???

If system->preferences->monitors doesn't show the resolution expected,
then you can try the Nvidia drivers (properitory, but it's fine
atleast nouveau is fully functional.), if you haven't done it
already. Install Livna repository, and do

$ sudo yum install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia

This should fix your problem.

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Re: [Ilugc] Introduction to MongoDB

2011-03-29 Thread Santosh Sivaraj
* Guruprasad  [2011-03-29 13:12:22 +0530]:

> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Nirmalya Lahiri
>  wrote:
> > CouchDB is another. I don't know which one is better..!!
> >
> > http://couchdb.apache.org/
> 
> Please follow the mailing list guidelines and avoid top posting. You
> can read the guidelines at
> http://www.ilugc.in/content/mailinglist-guidelines.
> 

This looks like an automated email, people will learn to follow the
guidelines, but sending something like this for every next mail is a
little annoying. Guidelines reminder can be sent as part of a reply to
the actual query, not separate mails.

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Re: [Ilugc] Introduction to MongoDB

2011-03-29 Thread Santosh Sivaraj
* Kenneth Gonsalves  [2011-03-29 14:52:49 +0530]:

> On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 14:45 +0530, Santosh Sivaraj wrote:
> > > Please follow the mailing list guidelines and avoid top posting. You
> > > can read the guidelines at
> > > http://www.ilugc.in/content/mailinglist-guidelines.
> > > 
> > 
> > This looks like an automated email, people will learn to follow the
> > guidelines, but sending something like this for every next mail is a
> > little annoying. Guidelines reminder can be sent as part of a reply to
> > the actual query, not separate mails. 
> 
> you mean he has written a script to identify posts that do not conform
> to guidelines and has automated the process? (I wrote a script in perl
> long ago to identify top posts, but not the second part of automatically
> sending the mail - seems a good idea, saves a lot of work)

It really doesn't matter if it is automated or not, but is annoying.
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Re: [Ilugc] Introduction to MongoDB

2011-03-29 Thread Santosh Sivaraj
* Kenneth Gonsalves  [2011-03-29 15:39:41 +0530]:

> > It really doesn't matter if it is automated or not, but is annoying. 
> 
> so you believe that people can post any way they like and no one here
> should object? That every list member does not have a duty to help make
> the list a better place?

Every member has the responsibility, I dnt like top posting too. But
too much of guideline mails for each mail thread is annoying. If the
same is within a relevant mail it wouldn't make the archive ugly or
the reading discontinuous. Its my opinion, a start to get something
done about this. IMVHO, we shouldn't trash the list with the name of
making it a better place.

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Re: [Ilugc] Hi all I would like to know if any cross compilers are available for Ubuntu to cross compile a gcc code

2011-03-29 Thread Santosh Sivaraj
* Pradheep Kumar  [2011-03-29 15:53:35 +0530]:

> Hi all,
> I would like to know if any cross compilers are available for gcc code
> compilation in Ubuntu. Kindly mail me at pradheepkum...@gmail.com if any one
> knows.
> 
You can check out codesourcery[1] cross comple toolchain if you don't
want to build your own.

[1] http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/release1293

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Re: [Ilugc] Which 3G USB broadband modems works in your Linux box ?

2011-04-02 Thread Santosh S
* Narendra Sisodiya  [2011-03-31 21:02:23 +0530]:

> I am using Reliance Netconnect USB modem,
> 
> I want to shift to 3G usb modem,
> I want to know which usb modems work under Linux box ?
> If you give me the model number along with your Internet provider, then I
> will be able to compose a list and host on wiki.

Tata Indicom Photon+ (EC152), works without any manual configuration
in Fedora 14.

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Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?

2011-04-27 Thread Santosh Sivaraj
* Natarajan V  [2011-04-27 20:30:04 +0530]:

> When the same person (as described above), forgets to follow the
> rules, we just jump on him/her and scare him/her from asking
> questions. Or otherwise, we just irritate them. This IMHO, is not a
> good idea.  The best option would be to leave that "policing" (for
> want of a better word), to the person who is genuinely trying to
> answer the question.
+1

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Re: [Ilugc] Boot Linux without bootloader

2011-08-10 Thread Santosh Sivaraj
* Ganesh Kumar  [2011-08-11 11:00:09 +0530]:

> Hi gurus,
> 
> Boot linux without bootloader is possible
> 
> Default boot sequence BIOS->MBR->grub->Debian.
> I had tried put changes MBR directly boot without bootloader its possible.
> 
> BIOS--->MBR(some changes)--->booting process
>
Yes, this is how it works, in MBR we have the bootloader like GRUB.
BIOS->GRUB stage 1->grub stage 2->linux kernel

But directly booting Linux kernel without a bootloader is not possible. This
is partly because the kernel doesn't want to handle low level details that
the bootloaders can do. The bootloader has to set up the stack and put the
kernel arguments in a standard memory area and load the kernel.
 
> In qemu emulator set some argument is possible to boot machine.
> qemu  -M versatilepb   -kernel vmlinuz-2.6.28-versatile -hda
> debian_final.img -m 256   -append "root=/dev/sda  mem=256M
> devtmpfs.mount=0 rw" &
In this case Qemu itself acts as a bootloader, so we don't need another
intermediate like GRUB.

> 
> If it's possible in x86 machine, please guide me.
> 
> 
> Did I learn something today? If not, I wasted it.
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[Ilugc] Joomla User Group Chennai Meet-Up on 3rd December

2009-12-01 Thread Santosh Madhavan

Join Joomla User Group, Chennai this week on 3rd December,2009 @ Anna Nagar. 
This is the first Meet-Up scheduled at Anna Nagar Park, Details are posted on 
EventFul. Kindly Check the below Invite and Register to Participate.


 
 
 
 

This week JUG- Chennai has scheduled its first Meet-up @ Anna Nagar. Check the 
Invite on :EventFul 
Kindly RSVP your arrival to the event. 

 Regards,Santhosh.V 
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[Ilugc] Hats-off to FSF Industrial Training @ SSN

2010-06-06 Thread Santosh Madhavan
Greetings,
    The 5 day Industrial Training conducted by Free Software 
Foundation, TamilNadu in association with SSN Engineering College ended today 
with a great blast! 220+ Students attended the 5 day Training and all sessions 
were fabulous learning experience. Mr.Ravi Jaya (Python Session), Mr.(Linux) 
Baskar (Linux Installation, Dir Structure) and all other speakers were great in 
delivering knowledge to all students. 

I need to specially thank Mr.Shanu, Mr.Praveen Chandrahas, Mr.Siddharth, 
Mr.Welkin, Mr.Shashan, SSN Management and all volunteers in making this event a 
great success. Mr.Shanu's session on FSF helped everyone to know what Free and 
Open Source Software is and how they can contribute. Mr.Siddharth handled 
enlightening session on Software Patents and FSMI. Mr.Praveen's session on 
Cloud and his complete presence helped all newbies to acquire clarity on many 
issues. Mr.Welkin's session on Downloading,Compiling and Creating Application 
was very interesting and informative. I (Santhosh.V) handled a session on "how 
to do Projects" and shared my experience with FSF, TN. 

This Event has motivated and gave a clarity of thought and usage to 220+ 
Students where you can see many of them already started working on Linux. 
Projects were assigned to every college participated. Hats-Off to FSF, 
TamilNadu for their good Work!

-Regards,
Santhosh.V
Regional Manager, Joomla User Community- Asia,  
Student, Arunai Engineering College   




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Re: [Ilugc] Moving hard disk from one server to another server

2013-10-28 Thread Santosh Sivaraj
Which version of kernel is the Debian running on? The most likely problem
is that the driver for the hardware (say sata  controller?) is not there.
Pull in a new kernel and try to compile with the old configuration and
boot. Then may be you can think of upgrading ;-)
On Oct 28, 2013 7:15 PM, "Shrinivasan T"  wrote:

> I have a 4 years old server running Debian 4 and Zimbra email server
> version 4.
>
>
> It has 4GB RAM and now we need to upgrade 8GB RAM.
>
> Unfortunately, the DDR 2 RAM for the old server are not available in
> market.
>
>
> Old server details.
>
>
> Core2Duo Quadcore CPU
>
> Intel Motherboard
>
> DDR2 4 GB RAM
>
>
>
> Now we have a new server with following config.
>
>
> Core i3 CPU
>
> Asus P8H61- M LE Motherborad
>
> DDR3 8 GB RAM
>
> I removed the hard disk from old server and inserted into new server,
> hoping that it will work as normal.
>
> But, it seems that old debian 4 can not recognize the new hardware and dont
> have the modules.
>
> See the error message we get while booting.
>
>
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/c-B8Jv3DfJWS6j-EexKxSIJG8RGg5-YvtRYupVay4rWD=w551-h543-no
>
> /dev/sda2 is the / partition.
>
>
> Is there any way to make this system up and running with new hardware?
>
>
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